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[nutella]

Ehhh

Radishes stealing Jack’s power doesn’t, like, 100% lock jim town...but combined with it being a fairly useless scum power (and I have to believe scum have something useful since town has a day vig), I’m inclined to think he’s probably just town. Almost certainly not interested there until f3.

Yeah, basically this.

[Long Con]

112 suspected MP7:

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MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

And I'd never kill you N1 on your first game back from hiatus.

[Tangrowth]

I'll sheep nutella's juliets vote for now until I have more clarity.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

112 suspected MP7:

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MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

And I'd never kill you N1 on your first game back from hiatus.

I'm not you.

[Tangrowth]

But I will admit that was pretty funny.

[nutella]

112 suspected MP7:

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MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

I tend to simultaneously hate these arguments and believe them. Like, I can't deny this is probably true, wifom be damned.

[Tangrowth]

Tone feels pocket-y:

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Alright, I'm saying fuck it to tinfoil for now. 112, nutella, juliets, Hyena, speed -- I think I trust the lot of you for now. Whom should I consider voting and why?

I suspect sig but he's... so sig that I just ehhh, I don't want to do that I think. What should I do?

If not 112, then probably Tony. Him joining the Sig wagon after it started growing kinda sealed the deal for me. He also placed a vote for Speedchuck earlier that I didn't like, and when I asked him about it, he gave me a pretty meh response (Tony: "He's felt disengenuous to me"). On top of that, I don't feel like he tried to do anything during the first half of D1. In the second half, I completely lost track of him. He doesn't have any kind of thread presence from my perspective.

Hmmm... you and I need to talk more about reads because we're opposed. That's intriguing.

I actually like your take on Tony here, thanks for this. Maybe I'll ISO him real fast.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

I find this intriguing, but perhaps it's a conversation you and I should have later and not now.

Hello, my name is M Plus 7, and I generally prefer to be friendly to people while playing mafia (although I'm certainly not close to perfect there), and I prefer to work with other players as much as I can.

[Tangrowth]

112 suspected MP7:

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MP7 random D1 feels reads whatever man

towncore
112
Hyena
juliets
nutella
speed

probably town
DDL
Tony

Upper POE
DrWilgy
Jack
LC
MR

Lower POE
Nanook
Poison Chan
sig

I think? Ordered across tiers but not within, by the way.

Maybe I do have more reads than I thought. I'm certainly wrong about something or multiple things or all of it, but whatever, I think this is what I got. Trusting my gut for now. Fuck tinfoil.

Nute could still be right about mplus but I honestly don't think anyone gets as angry as he did in a contest like this unless he's town.

That towncore post had an awful tone fwiw and it's what sparked this post.

Alright then.

I never kill 112 in our first game together anywhere, let alone on this site. I would have vehemently argued with my scum partners about this if I were scum, and very likely I would have gotten my way. Believe it or not, up to you.

I tend to simultaneously hate these arguments and believe them. Like, I can't deny this is probably true, wifom be damned.

I understand. I don't expect it to exonerate me.

[Tangrowth]

I am liking these new lines of analysis. That sig vote looks a lot like a save.

What basis do you have for this conclusion?

[Long Con]

Ehhh

Radishes stealing Jack’s power doesn’t, like, 100% lock jim town...but combined with it being a fairly useless scum power (and I have to believe scum have something useful since town has a day vig), I’m inclined to think he’s probably just town. Almost certainly not interested there until f3.

Yeah, basically this.

Radish would never target his teammate with a stealing power. It doesn't play out in any advantageous way.

[Tangrowth]

Starting to sound really panicked here:

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Let's make the magic happen again. [VOTE: jackofhearts2005theunlynchable] aubergine

Okay fuck it, I'm in this.

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

I don't know. I feels bad man about lynching MR even if I shouldn't.

How about Tony?

I don't know. I feels bad man about lynching MR even if I shouldn't.

How about Tony?

I could probably do that but my gut said he was sort of town before I ISO'd him and you said that thing, so there's a bit of resistance internally. Maybe it's because I feel LHF possibility or something.

I'm open to it though, for sure.

Fuck me how are there only <10 mins left, ahhhhh

Honestly sig is objectively the scummiest still to me but fndanfdafgiajpkao;wfsjmgosgvae

About 5 more minutes till EoD, I think?

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

[mention]Hyena[/mention], you're going to have to clarify this one for me. You think I'm scum because I'm frothing at the mouth and/or excited?

[Tangrowth]

Doesn't look good for M Plus 7.

What purpose does this post serve? I see no solving here.

[Tangrowth]

Nanook was always going to self-preserve, which means he was always going to vote Sig once the wagons became tied.

So, yeah. :P

Game over, MP7.

Game over? I don't think so.

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, a lot of these quotes look really icky in retrospect. And lol the 112 stuff too

I'm sold. [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Explain to me better what you were thinking here.

[Long Con]

I am liking these new lines of analysis. That sig vote looks a lot like a save.

What basis do you have for this conclusion?

My suspicion of Nanook surely plays a part, and the way the sig lynch came at the last minute, when Radishes was a contender, also fuels the idea. And the way you (also a suspect) pushed hard for the tie when Nanook's vote to self-preserve was an obvious fly in the ointment.

[Long Con]

Doesn't look good for M Plus 7.

What purpose does this post serve? I see no solving here.

Commentary on someone else's hard work. It's easier than doing the work myself.

[Tangrowth]

But yeah, I also suspect that's why 112 was killed. 112 might've been on to something.

I'm going to try to say this without sounding rude, Hyena, because I really like you and your effort is commendable.

This is... low-level analysis type of conclusion at this stage in the game especially.

[Tangrowth]

I am liking these new lines of analysis. That sig vote looks a lot like a save.

What basis do you have for this conclusion?

My suspicion of Nanook surely plays a part, and the way the sig lynch came at the last minute, when Radishes was a contender, also fuels the idea. And the way you (also a suspect) pushed hard for the tie when Nanook's vote to self-preserve was an obvious fly in the ointment.

Hmmmm... alright. Why is Nanook suspicious again? Apologies if you've spoken to that elswhere.

[Long Con]

I am liking these new lines of analysis. That sig vote looks a lot like a save.

What basis do you have for this conclusion?

My suspicion of Nanook surely plays a part, and the way the sig lynch came at the last minute, when Radishes was a contender, also fuels the idea. And the way you (also a suspect) pushed hard for the tie when Nanook's vote to self-preserve was an obvious fly in the ointment.

Hmmmm... alright. Why is Nanook suspicious again? Apologies if you've spoken to that elswhere.

No apology necessary. Juliets has commented on it a couple of times... I had a gut suspicion of Nanook, combined with some light evidence that I kind of forget right now.

[Tangrowth]

It doesn't fit together that neatly guys. Don't forget nanook's position here, and that MP comes from a time when the syndicate had a tie fetish even more than it does now.

I want to hear MP/Nanook combos. If MP is scum, is nanook? If nanook is scum, is MP? Can they be scum together? What would the thought process be?

MP scum, nanook town - why would MP chance voting for sig when nanook was probably the easier lynch at the time?
MP town, nanook scum - I mean yeah, nanook's going to self-preserve, so why did we ever thing the tie would work. Why would a 3-way tie ever work?
Both scum - would they really chance the reveal of having both of them pile onto sig?

Which world looks most likely to you?

And sorry Hyena, I'm going to ignore things about MP being excited/panicked at EOD1. That could just as easily be town with a big decision to make and a lot of excitement/investment into the game.

Let's fully analyse this and not 'Gotcha' MP just yet. We have time.

It was Day 1, I was having fun, and I didn't have an incredibly strong opinion about who should be lynched -- for the record. That much should be evident in the ISO, as Hyena noted.

I'd like to town read this post, but something's holding me back.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?

[nutella]

Now that I'm more confident in juliets being scum, I feel better about townreading everyone else so much lol. Assuming there are 3 mafia, the third could just be one of the two nothing-slots and I can still be right with all my townreads, or if not then at worst I'm just wrong about one of them.


And YOU can be town, and YOU can be town, and--

[Tangrowth]

I think that MP is town.

I think you are scum. :3

Explain this one to me if you don't mind.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And can that middle be chuck

[Long Con]

I remember! I thought Nanook was doing too much mechanical discussion rather than hunting.

Okay then, it was not spew, or fake spew, or whatever. I saw two votes in the thread, and responded to those two. If I had included Nanook's vote, then it would have been labelled not fair, I guess.

Cool. I feel I was pulling teeth trying to get this answer out of you. I'm not removing my vote yet.

That's completely unfair to say. I didn't even understand your angle until a short time ago.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Okay, I like where you're going with this. Give me a name.

At a glance:

1. sig
2. Nanook

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?

My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for explaining, LC. I'll take a look, going to try to finish the catch-up quickly too.

[Long Con]

Just want to throw in that probably no one has a reason not to lynch Wilgy.

[Long Con]

Thanks for explaining, LC. I'll take a look, going to try to finish the catch-up quickly too.

*polite smile*

[Tangrowth]

I think that MP is town.

Well would you look what the cat dragged in.

This is the first game relevant thing you've even said. Where is this coming from? How much have you read? Why do you have this opinion? Why haven't you said anything else yet?

i skimmed things before I joined. MP looked enthusiastic and eager to do things.

i've asked to be re-replaced. I can't play this right now.

I am saddened but totally understanding. May our paths cross again soon.

[Tangrowth]

Just want to throw in that probably no one has a reason not to lynch Wilgy.

I'm assuming he hasn't posted more. I say we perhaps give it until a certain time. I just got to the part where speedchuck suggested no later than 6 hours prior to EoD or thereabouts?

[Long Con]

I remember! I thought Nanook was doing too much mechanical discussion rather than hunting.

Okay then, it was not spew, or fake spew, or whatever. I saw two votes in the thread, and responded to those two. If I had included Nanook's vote, then it would have been labelled not fair, I guess.

Cool. I feel I was pulling teeth trying to get this answer out of you. I'm not removing my vote yet.

That's completely unfair to say. I didn't even understand your angle until a short time ago.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Okay, I like where you're going with this. Give me a name.

At a glance:

1. sig
2. Nanook

[mention]juliets[/mention] here's an answer to your question about my suspecting Nanook. Of course, this classifies more as a gut suspicion than "take it to the bank".

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?

My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.

Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.

[Tangrowth]

@Hyena you make a great case. And when I suggested MP might be trying to look civ with his first day behavior he said it was the silliest thing that had ever been said about him. Maybe not.

[VOTE: MPlus7] aubergine

What's great about it?

I really don't understand your sentences after the question. The "maybe not" reads particularly... unnatural, but I also realize you're juliets so I'm conflicted as to how to feel about that.

[Tangrowth]

I really have no idea if anyone who jumped on the Hyena case is scum. I would say juliets jumping on it probably bothered me the most though. For someone who can be as verbose as I am, I'm surprised she didn't elaborate at all.

[Tangrowth]

I still suspect Juliets even if she was the only one to explain her Sig vote.

Lol ok

Diction here is weird for juliets as well. I would have guessed this was Wilgy.

[Tangrowth]

I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Hey Tony, can you expand on both of these for me?

[nutella]

M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?

My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.

Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.

These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.

[Tangrowth]

If MR was scum I don't believe anything anymore. I have no beliefs. I am an apostate of the school of mafia. I give up.

This feels fake.

Same question I said to speedchuck can be said to you here. What about it reads fake, especially when you consider the series of multiple posts prior to it?

Strange how no one decided to quote those here, I feel like that's missing a key part of nutella's reaction.

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7 you actively TR nutes and I actively TR Jules. Can we meet somewhere in the middle?

My vote is absolutely subject to change. If you have spoken to your town read of juliets elsewhere, feel free to point me to it.

Not more than briefly I think, it’s primarily a tone read. She reads exactly the same to me as last time I played with her, in GOC I think it must’ve been. Like she’s hitting all the same townie pings for me.

Tbh it’s also partly a function of who’s pushed on her, specifically chuck and now nutella. Not necessarily because they’re mafia (although I do think it’s nonzero they are), but also because I suspect their reads are fairly inverted this game if town.

These aren't very good reasons lol. She is very good at mimicking the same style as scum fyi. May be worth looking into a scum game of hers (Girl Genius comes to mind). And yeah my reads haven't been great so far in this game but do me a favor and look at the two posts where I assessed her and MR's interactions and just see what you think. They hardly talked about each other at all, and when they did it was quite handwavey and extremely compatible imo.

I greatly admire your enthusiasm this game, but don't be too hard on yourself. It's still Day 2. Plenty of time for your reads to be good.

[nutella]

I still suspect Juliets even if she was the only one to explain her Sig vote.

Lol ok

Diction here is weird for juliets as well. I would have guessed this was Wilgy.

Discord's done a number on her.

[Tangrowth]

I still suspect Juliets even if she was the only one to explain her Sig vote.

Lol ok

Diction here is weird for juliets as well. I would have guessed this was Wilgy.

Discord's done a number on her.

That is a plausible explanation, lol.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, I dig the MP7 analysis from Hyena.

Is he the most consensus scumread? We can all secret vote him kinda late to coordinate anything else unless that already happened and I haven’t gotten there yet.

What about it do you dig?

I vehemently disagree that anyone who is actively playing this game should be the secret vote, be that you or me or anyone else not Sloonei or Wilgy for that matter.

[Tangrowth]

Lots of people saying they like the case on me with no specifics. That's a thing.

[Tangrowth]

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It doesn't fit together that neatly guys. Don't forget nanook's position here, and that MP comes from a time when the syndicate had a tie fetish even more than it does now.

I want to hear MP/Nanook combos. If MP is scum, is nanook? If nanook is scum, is MP? Can they be scum together? What would the thought process be?

MP scum, nanook town - why would MP chance voting for sig when nanook was probably the easier lynch at the time?
MP town, nanook scum - I mean yeah, nanook's going to self-preserve, so why did we ever thing the tie would work. Why would a 3-way tie ever work?
Both scum - would they really chance the reveal of having both of them pile onto sig?

Which world looks most likely to you?

And sorry Hyena, I'm going to ignore things about MP being excited/panicked at EOD1. That could just as easily be town with a big decision to make and a lot of excitement/investment into the game.

Let's fully analyse this and not 'Gotcha' MP just yet. We have time.

I think there’s high comparability.

Nutella is way compatable with Radishes and looks fake too.

If I’m leaving one of the three alive, it would be Nanook.

Even discarding my other reasons for town reading nutella, in most universes I don't think she hard locks her scummate that almost got lynched Day 1 like that. Not her style.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Look MP can read me better than you can now.

[Tangrowth]

I am astounded at the in-thread agreement over voting me as the secret vote. Regardless of one's confidence in scum reads, and that's always a terrible use of the mechanic in my opinion.

[Long Con]

I am astounded at the in-thread agreement over voting me as the secret vote. Regardless of one's confidence in scum reads, and that's always a terrible use of the mechanic in my opinion.

We need in-thread agreement, or the baddies could take the secret vote.

[nutella]

Yeah, a lot of these quotes look really icky in retrospect. And lol the 112 stuff too

I'm sold. [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Explain to me better what you were thinking here.

I just thought that it looked plausible that you were involved in saving MR -- the point about knowing Nanook would self-pres so you specifically chose sig to make the 4-4-4 made sense. In retrospect though I don't necessarily view your EOD behavior as having that much agenda to it though, we seemed to be in similar boats then just flailing around and spontaneously deciding to go for the tie there.

Also at the time Hyena made that case I was feeling so at sea after MR's flip that when I saw a case on my OG first suspect appear it was like a life preserver I could latch onto. At the time very few things were making sense to me and that seemed like it potentially could. The feeling faded when you returned and now I'm the captain of HMS Juliets.

[Tangrowth]

Some quotes below of MR on LC. Either hardcore buddying or teammate defending.

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Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

I would suspect Notgood

I would probably guess probably 3p for Alex Jones tbh

town

Again liking LC's line of thinking though.

Did Nanook vote for me?

Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!

Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.

I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.

"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that

Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.

Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button

I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.

"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?

Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.



Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.

Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.


This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

^That one is particularly smelly imo.

That's a tough call. The second quote looks the most scummate-indicative to me because MR walks it back with that qualifying statement.