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[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

This is an insane order

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(I lied, I can’t help myself. Now I’m actually leaving though, back tonight probably)

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

[speedchuck]

Claims? Checking to see if Jack was roleblocked? More information is never bad.

Stifling discussion is almost always bad.

I’d disagree, but then you’d SR me again for playing differently than you.

It's too late, buddy.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

This is an insane order

Realistically maybe it can be speed, nanook, Juliets? Would that do better for you?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?

Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol

Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.

Here’s where Hyena turns on Radishes. And I do mean turns. All mentions of Radishes (I didn’t search for “MR” fyi) prior to this are positive.

Need to see what the vote count is at this point and what was happening around this time. Why did Hyena suddenly suggest preserving onto MR?

[Jackofhearts2005]

So fyi sig is a magnet for D1 lynches and I'm basically policy-not lynching him. Even if I am critical of the one post he's made, it was very sigly.

That doesn't mean he's town. But I'd personally rather ravish a radish

This post could be important.

[juliets]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I know nutella and I both asked him to walk through what he was thinking during that time so that explanation should be in his ISO. I would help you find it but I'm in the middle of something else right now.

[speedchuck]

Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?

Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol

Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.

Here’s where Hyena turns on Radishes. And I do mean turns. All mentions of Radishes (I didn’t search for “MR” fyi) prior to this are positive.

Need to see what the vote count is at this point and what was happening around this time. Why did Hyena suddenly suggest preserving onto MR?

I know DDL and I had voted Radishes at this point. Unsure if this put him in the lead, but with Nanook added as well, it probably did.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

My vote put him at 5-3-3 IIRC

[juliets]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

speed, Jack and I shared a vote yesterday and that vote went to MP7 who was mafia. If I had not wanted our vote to go there I would have told him that before I went to bed. So it's incorrect to say I lack votes. I'm not sure what you mean by anti-alignments. And what do you mean by allegiances? I think it's pretty sad that I have been "pretty towny all game" yet I'm at the top of your POE list (and Tony's evidently).

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck let’s say you magically got to decide the lynch order but you had to do it right now.

Go.

Juliets, Nanook, Tony.

Sell me on scum Juliets.

On second thought I might switch some of these three around... ?

It's more that I'm more sold on everyone else, and don't agree with your POE change. Juliets lacks any votes, mechanics, allegiances or anti-alignments that separate her as town. All she has is a. her claim (do scum have fakeclaims, idk) and b. the fact that she's felt pretty towny all game. She's been in that second-to-lynch position, but keeps scraping by.

Everyone else in the game has more than she does separating them from the scumteam.

speed, Jack and I shared a vote yesterday and that vote went to MP7 who was mafia. If I had not wanted our vote to go there I would have told him that before I went to bed. So it's incorrect to say I lack votes. I'm not sure what you mean by anti-alignments. And what do you mean by allegiances? I think it's pretty sad that I have been "pretty towny all game" yet I'm at the top of your POE list (and Tony's evidently).

Oh, were you teamed with Jack.

Well then.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine This will be fun.

[speedchuck]

Nanook and Tony for last scum, yeah?

[speedchuck]

I mean IDK everyone has voted against scum at one point or another. I just think Juliets/Jack look better in yesterday's thing than the others

[speedchuck]

I'm kinda lost and I figure my claim to having voted for scum is weaker than everyone else's. Unfortunately. I'm gonna try my best, but if this goes down in a speed lynch, it's better now than in mylo.

And at least I can tunnel Nanook 'till death.

[juliets]

I'm kinda lost and I figure my claim to having voted for scum is weaker than everyone else's. Unfortunately. I'm gonna try my best, but if this goes down in a speed lynch, it's better now than in mylo.

And at least I can tunnel Nanook 'till death.

I feel exactly the same, that if I go down now its better than in Mylo.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

[juliets]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

[speedchuck]

I just kinda want to trust my gut. My two biggest scumreads D1 were nanook and MR, and there was a scum lurker.

I would love to be EPIC

[Hyena]

Nanook, have you claimed yet? I don't remember if you have or not.

Nope

Can you claim?

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Aside from me and the two others on my team, who didn't?

Tbh I don’t know how to process hyena right now. Him pushing me feels like an attempt to widen the POE, but idk how that jives with him also saying chuck is clear.

(It took me like 40 minutes to find a charger to post this, jfc. I’ll be back tonight. Will catch up then.)

I don't think it's Speed, Juliets, or DDL. I'm probably just being paranoid about Jack. That literally leaves only you and Tony. I don't understand how you can call that widening the POE.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

[Hyena]

I'm not, like, including everyone in the PoE. In fact, that's what I think you guys have been doing considering that you won't let me confirm whether Jack and Tony are town or not. I'm trying to resolve people's alignments and NOT keep people as soft clears and "they look towny".

[Hyena]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

Again, if you think I could be scum, then why don't you guys TK me today and let me confirm Jack and Tony for you guys?

[Hyena]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

Again, if you think I could be scum, then why don't you guys TK me today and let me confirm Jack and Tony for you guys?

You'd be resolving three different players by doing so. That's how you narrow down the PoE.

[Hyena]

Otherwise, I'm going for either you or Tony, because from my perspective, that's where I think the last mafia is.

[speedchuck]

Hyena's offer is best if you're willing to lynch tony rn. If so, we can clarify the tony slot and get two other free confirms out of it (even if one is jack). Worst case, tony and hyena are town, we end up with the same poe we'd have from lynching tony except with a dead hyena instead of tony. Best case, we catch scum.

Only worth doing today if Tony is in everyone's poe, and if some people are uncertain about hyena.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, have you claimed yet? I don't remember if you have or not.

Nope

Can you claim?

Nanook, your push on Poison D1 reminds me of the votes you made on our partners abraker and Juri in Champs where you made them early enough in the day that they'd likely get deflated by the time EoD rolled around.

(for reference: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost3283034 )

I also just murderered the fuck out of that slot yesterday, so. I guess that’s not convenient for you tho.

Aside from me and the two others on my team, who didn't?

Tbh I don’t know how to process hyena right now. Him pushing me feels like an attempt to widen the POE, but idk how that jives with him also saying chuck is clear.

(It took me like 40 minutes to find a charger to post this, jfc. I’ll be back tonight. Will catch up then.)

I don't think it's Speed, Juliets, or DDL. I'm probably just being paranoid about Jack. That literally leaves only you and Tony. I don't understand how you can call that widening the POE.

1. No

2. DDL can confirm, I absolutely did not have to kill MP, and yet I pushed for it and facilitated it happening.

3. The wider POE does not include me, or should not. You’re pushing to put me back in it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

Again, if you think I could be scum, then why don't you guys TK me today and let me confirm Jack and Tony for you guys?

You’re not the scummiest/least townie player on the board imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I genuinely cannot tell if you’re mafia setting up your f3 mis-kill or if you’re town playing poorly. If this were D1 I’d probably be happy to kill you tbh, but today requires more care

[juliets]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] why won't you claim?

[Hyena]

I genuinely cannot tell if you’re mafia setting up your f3 mis-kill or if you’re town playing poorly. If this were D1 I’d probably be happy to kill you tbh, but today requires more care

If this were D1, I wouldn't be making this play right now. Resolving three out of fifteen people doesn't mean much D1, especially when the two left alive can be killed on successive nights. I feel like it matters more now that we only have seven people left. Three out of seven is nearly half the game.

[Hyena]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

Again, if you think I could be scum, then why don't you guys TK me today and let me confirm Jack and Tony for you guys?

You’re not the scummiest/least townie player on the board imo

It doesn't matter though if I'm in the PoE. If you have exactly three people in your PoE, one for each TK we still have, then it's EV+ to TK me now to further confirm people who are not in your PoE.

[Hyena]

I guess you can’t both be scum but man do I want you to be

After the whole game where you've felt like I was town what would make you think I'm scum?

POE.

Though tbh I’m kind of even on you and hyena at this point.

Again, if you think I could be scum, then why don't you guys TK me today and let me confirm Jack and Tony for you guys?

You’re not the scummiest/least townie player on the board imo

It doesn't matter though if I'm in the PoE. If you have exactly three people in your PoE, one for each TK we still have, then it's EV+ to TK me now to further confirm people who are not in your PoE.

I want you to explain to me why it's not better to TK me now, instead of later, if I'm in your PoE right now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why won't you claim?

I don’t believe it’s town positive for me to claim rn.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think you’re the most likely to flip scum, idk how it’s so fucking hard to understand that or why it has to keep being said.

[Hyena]

I don’t think you’re the most likely to flip scum, idk how it’s so fucking hard to understand that or why it has to keep being said.

I understood that point. If you go through with TKing Speed and he flips town, then my ability becomes less useful to town. It feels like you know Speed will flip town and just don't want me to make good use of my ability.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I can’t decide if Hyena’s continued insistence for being lynched is townie it a wifom scum play like “see? I want to be lynched. Therefore I’m town.”

We have three lynches. I’m not getting lynched. I’m not sure Tony is ever getting lynched. If he’s not, mislynching Hyena isn’t better than mislynching anyone else because it doesn’t confirm anyone who would be up for mislynch.

The question is if Hyena believes that. If he does, he knows we’re not lynching him and this is a bluff. If he really thinks Tony is a likely lynch (regardless of his Tony read), the angle is town indicative.

Probably better to stop drinking wine and just read old posts.

[Hyena]

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

[Hyena]

I can’t decide if Hyena’s continued insistence for being lynched is townie it a wifom scum play like “see? I want to be lynched. Therefore I’m town.”

We have three lynches. I’m not getting lynched. I’m not sure Tony is ever getting lynched. If he’s not, mislynching Hyena isn’t better than mislynching anyone else because it doesn’t confirm anyone who would be up for mislynch.

The question is if Hyena believes that. If he does, he knows we’re not lynching him and this is a bluff. If he really thinks Tony is a likely lynch (regardless of his Tony read), the angle is town indicative.

Probably better to stop drinking wine and just read old posts.

I don't know why you think Tony is an unlikely lynch. Speed has already stated that he, too, thinks, it's down to Nanook and Tony. I'd only need one or two more votes.

[Hyena]

Speed, come vote Tony with me.

[Hyena]

Juliets, would you be done to lynch Tony?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I don’t think I’m ever considering Tony before Chuck and Jules tbh


Hyena, I’m not going to plan for chuck to flip scum, because if chuck flips scum the game ends? That’s uh...pretty basic?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I just don’t see it as likely that we had two mafia up yesterday

Plus I really want to be able to say I was right about tony all along

[speedchuck]

I just don’t see it as likely that we had two mafia up yesterday

Plus I really want to be able to say I was right about tony all along

Are we at the point in the game where we can just lynch who we want to lynch?

[speedchuck]

I mean I don’t think I’m ever considering Tony before Chuck and Jules tbh


Hyena, I’m not going to plan for chuck to flip scum, because if chuck flips scum the game ends? That’s uh...pretty basic?

What about after?

[speedchuck]

Speed, come vote Tony with me.

Sure.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

And I will actually make the case for Tony being scum tomorrow.

Again.

With added info from yesterday that possibly helps my case.

[juliets]

Juliets, would you be done to lynch Tony?

Hyena, I ISO'd him as town then really took apart speeds ISO of him and agreed he was probably scum. I need to just revisit that.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I don’t think I’m ever considering Tony before Chuck and Jules tbh


Hyena, I’m not going to plan for chuck to flip scum, because if chuck flips scum the game ends? That’s uh...pretty basic?

What about after?

If you and Jules both flip town then obviously yes I need to reconsider tony if I’m still alive

I also will eat a hat and/or an obscene amount of gummy worms

[juliets]

Speed, come vote Tony with me.

Sure.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

And I will actually make the case for Tony being scum tomorrow.

Again.

With added info from yesterday that possibly helps my case.

Oh cool - I'll wait to see the added info tomorrow.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like what kind of a question is “if you’re alive at f3 and chuck and Jules flipped town and Tony’s alive too, would you consider he might be mafia?”

What am I gonna say, “no I’ll bury my head in the sand and try to TK chuck a second time?”