Coronavirus Mafia [ENDGAME]

[speedchuck]

Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

Polka Heist?

[juliets]

Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

So is it that you were frustrated in that one and you are frustrated here? I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just trying to understand why memories of that game might affect you in this one.

[Jackofhearts2005]

About Tony.

My previous Tony ISO, which he has yet to respond to:

Spoiler: show

TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

Funny, I was thinking MR and you

Distancing.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

Is it possible MP had given up on him and wanted to distance as much as possible? If MP could towncore himself into being that last slot of the POE, in MYLO, he might have had a chance.



Tony is one of the few who townread Wilgy, and is also less present than a lot of other people. AND he was in private chat with Wilgy, so wilgy had special insight to him. I sort of feel like that would make him more likely to kill wilgy last night.


(my gut still says it's nanook though.)

Wilgy and Tony townread each other though, right?

[speedchuck]

About Tony.

My previous Tony ISO, which he has yet to respond to:

Spoiler: show

TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

Distancing.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

Is it possible MP had given up on him and wanted to distance as much as possible? If MP could towncore himself into being that last slot of the POE, in MYLO, he might have had a chance.



Tony is one of the few who townread Wilgy, and is also less present than a lot of other people. AND he was in private chat with Wilgy, so wilgy had special insight to him. I sort of feel like that would make him more likely to kill wilgy last night.


(my gut still says it's nanook though.)

Wilgy and Tony townread each other though, right?

Wilgy still has additional context on Tony. I guess?

I don't know, man. Who do you think would kill Wilgy?

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if we’re all just town?

[TonyStarkPrime]

What if we’re all just town?

I already suggested that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Obviously I'm alive, so I'm not going to complain about it too much.
I'm just still upset over that one game.

What game?

I don't remember the theme. g-man hosted and day 1 four townies randomly lynched my scum teammate while they were the only players around and nothing could be done about it. All four of them basically became lockcleared mechanically. It was miserable. Sloonei had a killer read on me at endgame though, so in some sense it was worth it.

So is it that you were frustrated in that one and you are frustrated here? I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just trying to understand why memories of that game might affect you in this one.

No, I'm just expressing a general distaste for the situation we currently find ourselves in and the mechanic that led us here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

About Tony.

My previous Tony ISO, which he has yet to respond to:

Spoiler: show

TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
-

I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

Is it possible MP had given up on him and wanted to distance as much as possible? If MP could towncore himself into being that last slot of the POE, in MYLO, he might have had a chance.



Tony is one of the few who townread Wilgy, and is also less present than a lot of other people. AND he was in private chat with Wilgy, so wilgy had special insight to him. I sort of feel like that would make him more likely to kill wilgy last night.


(my gut still says it's nanook though.)

Wilgy and Tony townread each other though, right?

Wilgy still has additional context on Tony. I guess?

I don't know, man. Who do you think would kill Wilgy?

For what it's worth (about zero), Jack.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or someone who think's Jack is in control. That would suggest not our rebel Hyena and less likely Nanook.
Anyone can be scared of RT or a doctor and not go after Jack.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The way I saw the game, even though Jack tried to flip the switch, today we were still looking at a pool of roughly me, Jules, Speed, Wilgy. Jack had tried to switch this, but as is currently clear, hasn't had much success. I saw Wilgy as a pretty likely lynch option today, but someone who really trusted Jack's locktown might not have had the same take.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don't understand how we've made it to this situation and I'm willing to lynch almost any player in the game but don't feel comfortable voting for any of them. I think Jack's analysis of MP yesterday is good; I'll go back and read MR later to see if anything pops up.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

[speedchuck]

The way I saw the game, even though Jack tried to flip the switch, today we were still looking at a pool of roughly me, Jules, Speed, Wilgy. Jack had tried to switch this, but as is currently clear, hasn't had much success. I saw Wilgy as a pretty likely lynch option today, but someone who really trusted Jack's locktown might not have had the same take.

Same. I was already building the case on Wilgy before day started.

[speedchuck]

Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking of going for Hyena's gambit. We'd have to all vote for Hyena, but we might be able to make something of it mechanically.

It might be better to do so tomorrow.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

He voted radish almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

The first can clearly be broken. I think there's something to the second one.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m actually kinda surprised you are tbh, didn’t we win a scum game together by all sussing each other? The wire maybe? It’s pretty much the same logic.

It’s not from a general rule standpoint. It’s also from a mindset standpoint. MP was in good spirits and also not really hammering Tony or Juliets or Wilgy in particular.

It feels in particular like the mindset of a wolf who knew we were headed for a town lynch and that either his partner was safe or he was thinking he’d be able to manipulate the POE on later days to make sure wolves were out of it. I think he pulls out some stuff to try to make himself look antialigned with Tony or Juliets if they’re his teammate or he works harder to expand the poe or shift them out of it.

Just being like “I’m fine with this” as we lynch his partner Tony or his partner Juliets is likely to go tomorrow does not seem like a winning strategy. We know MP is capable of Herculean effort. All he did was try to add DDL to the POE (citation needed).

Like I also don’t think wolf Juliets goes with the “but why am I scum” defense while letting me control our vote and privately expressing concern that Tony is town if she’s teamed with MP. That’s not opening the POE. That’s not taking her or her partner out of it. That’s shrinking it.

I’ve done the “agendaless wolf” play that I’m saying I don’t think Juliets is making.

It has resulted in me being POED out. It has resulted in very close games where I won because players were modkilled, giving me the extra town death I wasn’t going to get via mislynches.

And Juliets, amazing as her tone is, does not tend to passionately fight tooth and nail to prevent her own scum lynch the way I do. We both live our scum games on the bubble but she uses purity to be second or third priority and her own reads and opinions to not vote her partner whereas I lead mislynches and argue strongly that I’ve done townie things.

That is, I can live in a 4 player POE that contains both wolves, knowing I have a decent chance to force myself out of it or force someone into it or force a particular lynch order. Juliets cannot. She needs (and finds) a 5 player POE with 2 wolves in it or a 4 player POE with 1 wolf in it. She was not acting like wolf Juliets that needed to question a clear on a player outside the POE or just not see why MP could be a wolf and refuse to vote there.

I mean, I’m not saying your argument is wrong or bad, it’s just...I don’t find it particularly compelling. I am 100% happy to kill chuck and see if that ends the game though, we can have this disagreement tonight if necessary

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

[speedchuck]

Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like I’m not pushing that that definitely makes her scum obviously, I just see it mostly as pretty much WIFOM

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

[speedchuck]

Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

I think it's because your style of play is so anathema to me.

Or because you've been tunnelling me all game.

Or because you're scum.

Could be all three quite frankly, but might be just two.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

I think it's because your style of play is so anathema to me.

Or because you've been tunnelling me all game.

Or because you're scum.

Could be all three quite frankly, but might be just two.

I’m used to the first. The second you’re at least as guilty of tbh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Or someone who think's Jack is in control. That would suggest not our rebel Hyena and less likely Nanook.
Anyone can be scared of RT or a doctor and not go after Jack.

Yeah. Here’s a hot take.

There’s either a baddie in Nanook/Hyena/Speed or a baddie in Tony/Juliets.

So much wifom in this game.

[juliets]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

[speedchuck]

Or someone who think's Jack is in control. That would suggest not our rebel Hyena and less likely Nanook.
Anyone can be scared of RT or a doctor and not go after Jack.

Yeah. Here’s a hot take.

There’s either a baddie in Nanook/Hyena/Speed or a baddie in Tony/Juliets.

So much wifom in this game.

So not DDL then?

[speedchuck]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

He's saying you DIDN'T do that, because that would have been outing yourself.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

[speedchuck]

Is it weird that I'm totally okay with Jack suspecting me but nanook just fills me with righteous indignance?

I get that a lot tbh, I’m a favorite OMGUS target

I think it's because your style of play is so anathema to me.

Or because you've been tunnelling me all game.

Or because you're scum.

Could be all three quite frankly, but might be just two.

I’m used to the first. The second you’re at least as guilty of tbh

It's not tunnelling if you're right.

Okay it totally is and I'm obviously not sure I'm right but I've been looking back at my own ISO and it's pretty convincing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking of going for Hyena's gambit. We'd have to all vote for Hyena, but we might be able to make something of it mechanically.

It might be better to do so tomorrow.

If everyone still suspects you, it clears two players.

I still don’t like it cause I’m not lynching you anyway. If I’m gonna lynch Hyena, I want it to be because I suspect Hyena most.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

He voted radish almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.

He has independent antialignment with MR.

Lots of wolves do shit they don’t need to do.

[juliets]

Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

The first can clearly be broken. I think there's something to the second one.

What's a desperado? Is that like giving someone a gun?

[speedchuck]

Finally:

THE WWE IS TAKING SUBMISSIONS!

I am not particularly creative and I have a lot of work to do, so if anyone has any interesting gimmick ideas, I'd seriously love to hear them.

All votes landing on town are worth half a vote?
Every player votes someone to give a desperado?

The first can clearly be broken. I think there's something to the second one.

What's a desperado? Is that like giving someone a gun?

Gun that backfires and kills the shooter if they shoot town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

Fair.

[speedchuck]

Someone remind me why we town cleared DDL. I can't remember the reason.

He voted radish MP almost solely at my urging with like 3 minutes in the day, I think without knowledge of the votecount, when he absolutely 100% did not need to.

He has independent antialignment with MR.

Lots of wolves do shit they don’t need to do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Or someone who think's Jack is in control. That would suggest not our rebel Hyena and less likely Nanook.
Anyone can be scared of RT or a doctor and not go after Jack.

Yeah. Here’s a hot take.

There’s either a baddie in Nanook/Hyena/Speed or a baddie in Tony/Juliets.

So much wifom in this game.

So not DDL then?

It’s so easy for DDL to not come back for eod and kill his and Nanook’s vote. His pushes against Radishes were the biggest imo.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We need to look at D1 wagonomics with the knowledge a wolf slot was essentially empty all day and with new flips. Someone else do that lol.

[juliets]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

[speedchuck]

VOTALS

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes


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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

MP majority secret lynch

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1 Voter: DrWilgy (worth nothing bc Tony)

MPlus7 2.0
4 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME/DDL, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime (worth nothing bc Wilgy)

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: speedchuck

[speedchuck]

With one scum completely inactive, do any of myself, Hyena, or DDL pull a hard bus on MR D1?

-DDL made the case. He made it well and with conviction.
-I followed the case, campaigned against sig, and convinced Hyena.
-Hyena pushed Nanook to self-preserve on MR, which put MR in the lead at the time.

Do with that what you will. The sig wagon is still mostly alive and that sucks.

[speedchuck]

I know it's wifom to say 'Oh we totally wouldn't lynch MR D1' but who here enjoys being a lonely scummer for what looks like a whole game?

There were plenty of other viable suspects.

[juliets]

With one scum completely inactive, do any of myself, Hyena, or DDL pull a hard bus on MR D1?

-DDL made the case. He made it well and with conviction.
-I followed the case, campaigned against sig, and convinced Hyena.
-Hyena pushed Nanook to self-preserve on MR, which put MR in the lead at the time.

Do with that what you will. The sig wagon is still mostly alive and that sucks.

I don't believe any of you bussed MR under those circumstances. I said so somewhere way back in this game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

I mean, that’s the kind of thing that I’ll believe when we’re not in the middle of a game

[juliets]

So this clarifies for me: my belief in the non-bus of MR and my belief that Jack is town leaves me with Tony, Nanook, and DDL as possibilities. DDL is universally townread because of his push on MR Day 1 and his letting Nanook guide him to voting MP in 3 minutes. So that leaves Tony and Nanook, both sig voters Day 1.

[speedchuck]

My pool remains the same.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean that’s just...that logic is so obviously flawed, lol

[juliets]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

I mean, that’s the kind of thing that I’ll believe when we’re not in the middle of a game

I know it's WIFOMy but really, can you see anyone who is mafia leaving the game and leaving their vote in the hands of someone else at EOD? It just doesn't make sense. You don't have to answer, your position is clear I guess.

linki - are you calling my logic flawed? I'm willing to listen and acknowledge if it is but you'll need to explain it to me.

[juliets]

Or someone else can tell me why it's flawed.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The other argument with Jules is that a) MP didnt look likely to be TKed when she left thread, and b) if she left thread with her vote parked somewhere to force Jack’s hand that’s sort of outing, yeah?

I'm not sure what you mean by the second item "if I left the thread with my vote parked somewhere to force Jack's hand". Jack and I shared a vote. I left the thread with the understanding there would probably be EOD chaos. I left the vote in his hands with no stipulations to not vote someone. How does that force his hand and out me?

No Jules, I’m saying if you’re mafia and you parked your vote somewhere then left thread that would out you.

I’m saying you kind of had to leave it in Jack’s hands, regardless of your alignment.

But that's not true. I could have said "I don't approve of a vote for MP, DDL (or anyone I thought Jack was reading as town) or me." That would have made MP one person in a list which is less suspect. Honestly though, if I was mafia I would have forced myself to stay to the end. I wouldn't have left my vote in someone else's hands.

I mean, that’s the kind of thing that I’ll believe when we’re not in the middle of a game

I know it's WIFOMy but really, can you see anyone who is mafia leaving the game and leaving their vote in the hands of someone else at EOD? It just doesn't make sense. You don't have to answer, your position is clear I guess.

linki - are you calling my logic flawed? I'm willing to listen and acknowledge if it is but you'll need to explain it to me.

When the alternative is semi-outing yourself, then yes I do think it makes sense lol