FTL Mafia [ENDGAME]

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1251

Helloooooooooooo

#1252

Remarkable that by the numbers town is winning this game comfortably, and yet this does not feel remotely like town wins feel.

#1253

This shit ain't spicy enough let's just lynch Jay

#1254

I promised we'd lynch Jay on day 3 if we didn't get a Mafia day 2. Let's do it.

#1255

I am honourbound to my word

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1256

Oh you're talking

#1257

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:27 am Oh you're talking

What does that tell you?

#1258

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:00 am I promised we'd lynch Jay on day 3 if we didn't get a Mafia day 2. Let's do it.

That would be a fitting play in a game that won't move.

#1259

Might have gotten a mafioso though if my Not Daisy push hadn't fallen on deaf Mac ears.

#1260

What's up gang, what's the deal?

Busy in life right now?

Distracted by what's happening in the US?

Coronavirus problems?

Just not feeling the game?

Something else?

I don't mean to disparage any of these things. I'm just trying to figure out why this game is so thoroughly dead. I'm not sure how to wake it up at this point or if I even can.

#1261

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

#1262

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.
I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

I don't recall who all participated, but I'll take a look. I have nothing better to do! I probably won't implement these numeral values, but a compilation of the data may net something. Who knows.

#1263

Sticking all these in one place for reference:

Spoiler: show

#1264

This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.

#1265

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:45 am Might have gotten a mafioso though if my Not Daisy push hadn't fallen on deaf Mac ears.

I actually do have moderate hearing loss bit insensitive Jay

#1266

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.

What does it illuminate? Lots of people aren't talking why are me and Ted the relevant parties here?

You've got Sloonei and Nutella still here. They're better than me and care more. I'll give y'all time when I can.

#1267

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:00 am I promised we'd lynch Jay on day 3 if we didn't get a Mafia day 2. Let's do it.
That would be a fitting play in a game that won't move.

Probably objectively the best play

#1268

Remember that these are pre-Daisy lynch, and that they did not come in the usual live-action format.

Ted has nothing to offer this game beyond his tone. I revoke his civilian card. Mac has been cruising lazily along on his Jack credit, and that's fine. If you're a civilian though, Mac, you'd better believe the tinfoil mania is going to arrive in short order if you don't do something with this mess.

Otherwise, nobody here even qualifies as a consensus suspect. Myo comes the closest. Names being bandied about as lynches now like Soneji and sig were majority towns pre-Daisy lynch. The progression of this game is nonsense, and this chart is a lovely illustration of that.

#1269

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.
What does it illuminate? Lots of people aren't talking why are me and Ted the relevant parties here?

You've got Sloonei and Nutella still here. They're better than me and care more. I'll give y'all time when I can.

Look at the chart.

#1270

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 am This is illuminating actually.

Mac and ted both have no effing clue about this game right now per their reads in this thing post-Daisy flip. I see neither of them doing anything to fix that, save for Mac voting me on the basis of transparent garbage.

I see what you're saying now. I am in fact doing something about it. I am doing the most provocative thing possible about it in fact.

#1271

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:50 am

Remember that these are pre-Daisy lynch, and that they did not come in the usual live-action format.

Ted has nothing to offer this game beyond his tone. I revoke his civilian card. Mac has been cruising lazily along on his Jack credit, and that's fine. If you're a civilian though, Mac, you'd better believe the tinfoil mania is going to arrive in short order if you don't do something with this mess.

Otherwise, nobody here even qualifies as a consensus suspect. Myo comes the closest. Names being bandied about as lynches now like Soneji and sig were majority towns pre-Daisy lynch. The progression of this game is nonsense, and this chart is a lovely illustration of that.

Look man I don't know what to say except if you're town you probably should be pretty much ready to rip Sloonei's head off at this stage of the game. So I mean you voted there but why not try to lynch him or something?

I actually just think it's you and Motobot tbh.

#1272

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:53 am Look man I don't know what to say except if you're town you probably should be pretty much ready to rip Sloonei's head off at this stage of the game. So I mean you voted there but why not try to lynch him or something?

I actually just think it's you and Motobot tbh.

The only person I can get to talk to me about anything is nutella with a side of Myo, so my influence is pretty neutralized. Sloonei is a problem right now I agree. I also see he's not active on the site overall, however, and I know he's capable of more than two posts in 15 hours regardless of alignment. I have no idea what to do with that.

#1273

Like, you're asking me to save the day -- the day won't accept my help Mac. The day doesn't give the first shit about JaggedJimmyJay in FTL Mafia.

#1274

I get your point and stuff but like at least I have Jack credit. I'm not the only one who has slowed down. I could flip out and try to make people post more but maybe people re just busy. I'm pretty happy just lynching into a POE for a day or so at this point.

I'm here now though so we can do some stuff sure. I am off the page a bit though so if you want to draw some arrows that'd be good.

#1275

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 am Like, you're asking me to save the day -- the day won't accept my help Mac. The day doesn't give the first shit about JaggedJimmyJay in FTL Mafia.

It's pretty much echoing my own feelings since the Daisy flip? It's like there is no easy lynch so they've just shut down. Who does that point at most as a hypothesis to you? LC springs to mind for me.

#1276

You and I could probably just come to our own consensus right now. Vote them and everyone would lazily sheep it til eod. So maybe we should just do that.

#1277

Motobot scum reading me feels like a play to me. Like he put his thinking cap on after randing scum and though punching me in the face was smart. Which it kinda is.

Jiwon and Myo are gonna probs not come back anyway lol.

Lynch one of these. I know it's lazy but this day sucks. It'll be poetic that we lynch a scum without trying.

#1278

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 am Like, you're asking me to save the day -- the day won't accept my help Mac. The day doesn't give the first shit about JaggedJimmyJay in FTL Mafia.
It's pretty much echoing my own feelings since the Daisy flip? It's like there is no easy lynch so they've just shut down. Who does that point at most as a hypothesis to you? LC springs to mind for me.

My town core is evaporating, since I cannot justify calling anyone a civilian in this misersble environment. I can give you and nutella the nod just because eff me otherwise, but we're losing Sloonei and ted here. So that means the POE pool is nearly the entire roster.

Relating to your specific question, that's kind of why I asked on the previous page what is keeping people out of the thread. If it's just the world going insane, then that's informative here. If not, then I have to try to interpret who among like 8 or 9 people is most at peace with this thread being a corpse -- that's a needle in a haystack. Any mafioso benefits from that. I wouldn't say that points at LC for me any more than whoever else, but I don't trust LC so sure. What makes you think he's the one on that front?

If I have any instinct, it's that it may be suggestive we have one or more mafia among the least-readable low posters/newcomers. The local veterans don't know how to read them, and if they don't post that doesn't get better. So we sit here.

#1279

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:02 am Motobot scum reading me feels like a play to me. Like he put his thinking cap on after randing scum and though punching me in the face was smart. Which it kinda is.

Jiwon and Myo are gonna probs not come back anyway lol.

Lynch one of these. I know it's lazy but this day sucks. It'll be poetic that we lynch a scum without trying.

I would lynch any of those people. I would lynch motobot first.

#1280

I've like Myo more than Jiwon tbh.

I feel like LC has summoned effort in bursts that correlate with maybe himself having pressure? Maybe that's baseless though.

#1281

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 am I've like Myo more than Jiwon tbh.

I feel like LC has summoned effort in bursts that correlate with maybe himself having pressure? Maybe that's baseless though.

I wouldn't call it baseless. I think he has made posts when he has been a topic of conversation. It's nothing I would call civilian-indicative.

Something about Myo's tone tweaks me -- like they look exactly like a player who is rolling through a dead thread and posting just enough to manipulate its progression in an environment that offers no resistance. Jiwon is no better though so sure.

#1282

Sig has felt kinda towny. Ted has felt weird but I've kind of just assumed he's the pirate and is townsiding because he's buddying me so much. Maybe that's a bad read? It would explain why he seems to give no fuck?

I'd say there is one or more in Moto/Myo/Jiwon so we just start there. Jiwon or Moto first. Hopefully other more readable stuff happens along the way. It's a tough game I guess.

#1283

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:06 am I've like Myo more than Jiwon tbh.

I feel like LC has summoned effort in bursts that correlate with maybe himself having pressure? Maybe that's baseless though.
I wouldn't call it baseless. I think he has made posts when he has been a topic of conversation. It's nothing I would call civilian-indicative.

Something about Myo's tone tweaks me -- like they look exactly like a player who is rolling through a dead thread and posting just enough to manipulate its progression in an environment that offers no resistance. Jiwon is no better though so sure.

Tbh the Jiwon/Myo is an old read I've not updated since mid day 1.

#1284

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

#1285

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 am Tbh the Jiwon/Myo is an old read I've not updated since mid day 1.

I have exactly one beef with Jiwon:

I accused Myo of having only one read (Mac town), and Jiwon was like "yeah wat up with dat" -- despite having barely any reads of their own.

#1286

Oh I forgot Soneji was in this game until I just popped in to champs spec and saw him posting there. Fuck it lets lynch Soneji. Nut and Sloo are already there lol.

#1287

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

As one

#1288

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine works for me

#1289

motobot -

10 posts. Well, there's not much there, but I'd say she's a villager. If she is new to the game, then her approach seems to be that of a townie. I don't spot any agenda and whenever she's posting she's trying to help the village, even if she only mentions who she's voting for scraps and all that. I don't really think she's a scum.

I liked her early jokey entrance that immediately got followed up by seriousness, that's a natural town progression / mindset to have.

Not really seeing why people are having any suspicions on her / him. I don't have any gripes there.

A lurker scum that's also new would have an agenda every time when posting, the scum mindset of pushing an agenda would be very obvious. I don't see that at all.

#1290

Myo -

Yeah, there are some points of concern.

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

This is virtually doing nothing. In here, the mindset is to...correct me, instead of...deducing my alignment. It lacks a certain inquisitive switch that turns on after reading a post like mine and just resorts to telling me why I'm wrong and not what that means for my alignment.

Not only is it very hard to grasp what she means here (if you got it, please simplify it for me) but she HERSELF didn't really know what Soneji was talking about when mentioning the "salad" thing. How do you expect to be right in your reasoning by correcting me when you have no idea what salad is or if it's even relevant to ask. My argument was hinging on the fact that it's a useless question, Myo defended it saying it wasn't but Soneji's post didn't really further anything. Might fall down a rabbit hole here, but I don't really get how you can say a question is useful if you don't know what the content of it is.

weh

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?
I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

I just get massive TMI vibes here, I think she's going through the motions of sorting. It's not something very relevant or it's not showing a progression as to how she got to the read.

"Mac posts a lot so he's town" but with a bunch of other words to inflate the importance of the read and it being actually genuine.

Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 3:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am
Myo wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:59 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 5:09 am I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look
You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?
He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

After writing this comment I realise that you are the Sloonei I was referring to.

Also, what on earth is linki? I've seen it written a few times. Sorry for all the clarification questions, the new jargon has been a bit overwhelming.

Things that stand out:

Mac is being town read for "saying whatever's on his mind" but Long Con is derailing the thread when he's speaking his mind.

I think I'm at a point where I'm already locked on this read, I'm like...70% confident, if you want a rough estimate.

I don't know if I have enough clout to pull this off, but thankfully it's on a low poster so people will be incentivized to vote. I encourage voting here.

[VOTE: Myo ] aubergine

#1291

My wall looked relatively slim in terms of convincing points so I'll elaborate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:40 am JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch

Another instance where Myo can push JJJ to see why he switches on Sloonei. But there's no incentive for her to figure JJJ out, it's like, I saw JJJ do this scummy thing, ok...Why did he do it? Is he scum for it?

There's just no internal click for her on sorting alignments, just IIOA and all that jazz.

#1292

I'm on board, ted. Myo is one of my biggest suspects. I hope others will comment.

#1293

[VOTE: Myo] aubergine

#1294

MacDouggie -

I've already stated that I think he's lock town due to Jack's spew on him. I think he's being fairly villager-y, ISOing him would be a waste of my time tbh. And everyone else's, Mac's kinda consensus at this point. Don't bother.

Re-evaluate later if he doesn't die, etc etc

#1295

JJJ -

Also town reading him based on some posts I saw in thread, I'm not getting into that ISO today folks, or perhaps never. May I not be forced to go there if the situation demands it.

I remain at a glorious PoE of Long Con / Jiwon / sig / Soneji / Sloonei / nutella + Myo as a scum team.

Lot of work. Sorting LC and Jiwon next because they're low posters, I think.

#1296

LC -

Yeah, so, read his ISO and I wanna say that I think that LC's desire to get town read for voting Jack there is, in this context, probably town indicative. I actually want to say that it should probably be treated as NAI, but fuck it, I am town reading the guy anyway. I think that a wolf!Long Con that has little time to play the game wouldn't waste the entirety of it in order to soak the cred sponge until the very last possible drop when he sees that there's not much water in it, if that makes sense.

He'd probably end up getting pissed about it.

Wolf Long Con would acknowledge that there's few credit to obtain and the chase of that credit would make him look even worse. I think that it makes more sense for town Long Con to keep doing it.

I wish I could elaborate more on it because there's something that clicked in my head and then the idea ran, but I do think LC is town here. I just think that, as a wolf, spending his time with it is a death sentence, whereas town!LC acknowledges that he's a suspect and wants to get absolved so he doesn't end up mislynched. Through that lens, LC looks like a villager to me.

#1297

Jiwon -

She's town. A lot of their posts strike me as weird things mafia would post about, if she were a mafia.

Left with Myo + 1 of Sloonei / sig / soneji / nutella

Probably stopping here for today I'm already bored.

#1298

I have updated scrap totals. PM me if you want to know yours.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1299

Nice, juicy reads from ted finally. I like his points on Myo, though I remember feeling good about her from tone/mindset and from Jack interaction. I'll take a look through her ISO when I get a chance.

#1300

I think Sloonei / myo is a solid combo for a scum team?

It's 2112. Get with the times! Who gets treasure?