FTL Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

I don't understand this. Don't you want to vote for someone you think isn't town?

[Myo]

Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

[Myo]

Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

I don't understand this. Don't you want to vote for someone you think isn't town?

Um, no. I'm not voting Sloonie. I think he's town.

[nutella]

Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)

[nutella]

My question was more about LC but your later post cleared up my misunderstanding

[nutella]

Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

[Long Con]

Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

I am town. And upon reread, I empathize with the first half of your post, and I want to say that smooth wolves can keep the waters crystal clear.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

[Long Con]

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Yeah, some of us have been here for a little bit, I seem to recall you declining an invitation to "here" not too long ago.

[Myo]

Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)

Umm, yes. Was there a question in there? I'm not 100% sure I understood it correctly.

I think the main point against Sloonei has been the dramatic shift in activity compared to early game, but I don't think that weight strongly against his earlier behaviour which was pretty pro-town in my eyes.

[Sloonei]

Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Yeah, some of us have been here for a little bit, I seem to recall you declining an invitation to "here" not too long ago.

I didn't feel "here" was earned. I make judgments when I have posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

Why Jiwon instead of Long Con?

[Sloonei]

Lol at Sig already having two votes.

then again, this post also exists

[Sloonei]

Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

Why Jiwon instead of Long Con?

No reason whatsoever.

[Soneji]

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Myo's posts do look like genuinely LHF kind of pleading, even grappling with my own desire to not get AtE'd here.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[nutella]

Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

Why Jiwon instead of Long Con?

sometimes I almost type a post only to scroll down and see jay has already written it

[nutella]

Lol at Sig already having two votes.

then again, this post also exists

is this supposed to mean anything? Do you think this is indicative of a Jack/sig w/w pairing?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't entirely trust Long Con either, Myo.

I think we're here again, gang. This looks like a civilian.

Myo's posts do look like genuinely LHF kind of pleading, even grappling with my own desire to not get AtE'd here.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

This sounds fake.

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Lol at Sig already having two votes.

then again, this post also exists

is this supposed to mean anything? Do you think this is indicative of a Jack/sig w/w pairing?

that is the suggestion, yes

[nutella]

like, why can't jack say that about a sig he knows is just getting mislynched again

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't object to "that looks like a Jack/sig" team as a Day 1 snap read. On Day 3, I think there are better reasons to suspect sig in his own posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

[nutella]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

Yeah

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

[Sloonei]

like, why can't jack say that about a sig he knows is just getting mislynched again

He can. I never said he can't.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

sheep things

[Soneji]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

Why is that interesting? What does that mean? Am I mafia?

[Sloonei]

in two games with synced deadlines, and i'm on the chopping block in the other. I glanced at jiwon and sig's posts but I won't be producing any substantive work before this deadline, unfortunately. I am a gigantic fart. I'm here until the deadline, but I'm also there until the deadline.

[Myo]

Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

I think I explained my feelings reguarding Sloonei in an earlier comment so I'm going to drop that below. As I mentioned, I do get that the shift in activity level is in isolation wolfy, but I'm just not convinced of his evilness when I look at Sloonie as a whole.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

Sloonei is evidentially suspicious and tonally okay. I don't care about my flip flop. I may well do it again. What's your own read on Sloonei?

As it stands, your only clear read remains: MacDougall is town. That's not indicative to me of a player hunting for the mafia team.

I feel pretty okay about Sloonie. He's talkative and analytical and doesn't seem to be particularly twisting comments to fit a specific narrative he's trying to create.

Additionally:
1. I just cannot marry the idea that Jackofhearts2005 and Sloonie are both wolves with Sloonie ranking Jackofhearts2005 top town in his Day 1 player rankings.
2. Jackofhearts2005 again frames his opinion (at least partially) in some else’s logic, this time Slooni’s. Does it make sense for Jackofhearts2005’s to use another wolf’s logic for his vote? My head says no.

Jackofhearts2005 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME we must summon the Megazord!

You should know I’m torn between posting Power Ranger memes and just voting LC (cause his push on me was limp and Sloonei’s mini iso on him does show him being scummy) and you know, actually finishing catching up cause I’m only a few pages back.

I'm going to split this up into two comments because I've just spent 10 minutes mucking around with formatting and I still cannot get it to work. Lon Con to follow.

[nutella]

in two games with synced deadlines, and i'm on the chopping block in the other. I glanced at jiwon and sig's posts but I won't be producing any substantive work before this deadline, unfortunately. I am a gigantic fart. I'm here until the deadline, but I'm also there until the deadline.

Best of luck to all playing in the other game at the same time. Can you at least give a quick rundown on what your overall impression/ultimate reads on those players were coming out of those isos?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

in two games with synced deadlines, and i'm on the chopping block in the other. I glanced at jiwon and sig's posts but I won't be producing any substantive work before this deadline, unfortunately. I am a gigantic fart. I'm here until the deadline, but I'm also there until the deadline.

I'm not lynching you here today. Go do what you gotta do.

[Soneji]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

Why is that interesting? What does that mean? Am I mafia?

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

Your posts are still rigid.

[nutella]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

Why is that interesting? What does that mean? Am I mafia?

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

This is baldercock poppydash steaming excrement. Soneji doesn't suspect Jay. Soneji is not a townie.

[Sloonei]

in two games with synced deadlines, and i'm on the chopping block in the other. I glanced at jiwon and sig's posts but I won't be producing any substantive work before this deadline, unfortunately. I am a gigantic fart. I'm here until the deadline, but I'm also there until the deadline.

Best of luck to all playing in the other game at the same time. Can you at least give a quick rundown on what your overall impression/ultimate reads on those players were coming out of those isos?

Not much changed. I can see sig as bad more easily because he looks very lifeless and a bit defeated from Day 2 on. Jiwon is a mystery in general. I'd vote for sig first of those two.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Myo what is your view of Soneji?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to get pulled away five minutes prior to the deadline. I will try to get back here in time.

[Soneji]

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

Your posts are still rigid.

Have you ever considered that being rigid is just how I am? Like have you ever played with town me to know that I can be a stiff in general?

I flow more freely as mafia because I don't feel the pressure to actually solve to myself, and don't feel shackled by my own meta. Showing passion at all is a towntell, humor a scumtell.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

Your posts are still rigid.

Have you ever considered that being rigid is just how I am? Like have you ever played with town me to know that I can be a stiff in general?

I flow more freely as mafia because I don't feel the pressure to actually solve to myself, and don't feel shackled by my own meta. Showing passion at all is a towntell, humor a scumtell.

I have considered it. What's your least favorite thing about sig?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Soneji]

I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

Why is that interesting? What does that mean? Am I mafia?

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

This is baldercock poppydash steaming excrement. Soneji doesn't suspect Jay. Soneji is not a townie.

Soneji suspects Jay, but he isn't top of the list for me.

You'll maybe able to read me eventually nutella, it'll be easier when I have more energy to invest into a game.

[MacDougall]

Okay so now that the sadomasochism of one of the other games is over I am just in time to probably help lynch town here. What's news?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay so now that the sadomasochism of one of the other games is over I am just in time to probably help lynch town here. What's news?

There was motion against Myo, it has faded with Myo's recent surge, now there is motion against Soneji, I am uncertain, I still want to murder sig, comma.

[MacDougall]

Okay so now that the sadomasochism of one of the other games is over I am just in time to probably help lynch town here. What's news?

There was motion against Myo, it has faded with Myo's recent surge, now there is motion against Soneji, I am uncertain, I still want to murder sig, comma.

Why sig?

[Myo]

Myo what is your view of Soneji?

He's 'possibly town' in my rankings. My OG feeling on him is based on his very extended (it was almost a whole day) argument with MacDougall. He stood nothing to gain from it (no town credit or anything like that) and it put him in the spotlight which is the opposite of what a wolf should want on Day 1.

I'm not 100% sure I follow the argument for why he is suspicious; I haven't read through his whole isolated comment history yet. Ultimately if this is where the lunch is likely to be headed I'll divest some time to read it to see if I agree or not.

Why does it keep making me click submit again and again? Booo. Again?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay so now that the sadomasochism of one of the other games is over I am just in time to probably help lynch town here. What's news?

There was motion against Myo, it has faded with Myo's recent surge, now there is motion against Soneji, I am uncertain, I still want to murder sig, comma.

Why sig?

Because I think his posts are suspicious posts. I know that's a lame answer, but welcome to FTL Mafia.

[Myo]

Myo what is your view of Soneji?

He's 'possibly town' in my rankings. My OG feeling on him is based on his very extended (it was almost a whole day) argument with MacDougall. He stood nothing to gain from it (no town credit or anything like that) and it put him in the spotlight which is the opposite of what a wolf should want on Day 1.

I'm not 100% sure I follow the argument for why he is suspicious; I haven't read through his whole isolated comment history yet. Ultimately if this is where the lunch is likely to be headed I'll divest some time to read it to see if I agree or not.

Why does it keep making me click submit again and again? Booo. Again?

But seriously though, the lunch is super split. Maybe I'll just read both him and sig and then pick.