Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[112]

You know what, I actually can't solve this shit but like I'll ride or die with TSP here too cuz that seems to be the popular thing.

MP's opinion on Soneji was as fluid as 112's gender.
Nanook and 112 had barely nothing to say about the guy. Given I also didn't, maybe I should just relate to them or something.

TSP has the one single reasonably townie thing going. What a catastrophe.

I lol'd.

[112]

I'm still reading up, but I honestly think we're looking the wrong way in the nano/mp split. And I've been decent at reading Nanook in the past.

[112]

I mean, maybe not, but this seems totally resigned beyond what I'd expect from him as maf. Mac says he's creating a world where he can win next round, but I think he's just tired of the game and figures the best he can do is help solve for F3.

Like idk what you expect man when there's 5 players left and four of them are saying "yeah it's just Nanook, if it's not him I'm totally lost," I'm doing what I can but like...what am I supposed to do with that? Call you all idiots or something, I guess, but like...that's tiring, and I can't even really blame anyone that's reading me mafia based off sloonei interactions to be totally honest. I've played a pretty poor game, not really fair to get mad at people for scumreading me for it.

So yeah, I'll put in a token defense, but that's all I really have in me on that front. More interested in trying to help narrow things down for you guys tomorrow at this point.

I still lynch MP tbh.

[112]

Sort by postcount is one thing, but when so many of your posts are this short and awkward idk how much we should put toward that being a town indicator. I get tonal pings from so much of this.

Nanook and Sloonei are obviously also very compatible after that day 1. They had a couple minor skirmishes that went nowhere. Even when Sloonei voted Nanook he got mad at LC for sheeping him.

I'm actually totally in agreement with you... when I did my Sloonei analyses, Nanook came out at the bottom. Then I freaked out, lol, but still, I did at least feel that way at the time.

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Yeah, you're my top town probably?

@MacDougall - why are you off MP this round?

I don't think MP is compatible with Soneji. I think Soneji's single wall post contains enough evidence that it's Nanook to ignore everything to the contrary.

I'm glad we're in agreement about being on the same side now.

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

Nah, that's common knowledge enough due to spec chat on MU from my perspective, I've had people play games with me for the first time and say that these days, lol.

Plus, Soneji and I go way back, I met him during Season 2 champs, so he would know.

K, I’ll wrote it off as a stupid read then!

Hey Nanook! Talk to me more about your 112 and Mac reads if you don't mind? Unless you don't have anything else to say, haha.

[112]

I'm not sure how much sense this makes, but with MP I get the feeling that he's trying to direct the gamestate whereas with Nanook I think he's just trying to solve.

[112]

like, i haven't been paying full attention to the game and am not super strong on my mp/nanook feels, but that's where i stand if it matters at all. fwiw i picked nano as wolf d1 in corona and haven't really been pinged by him this game enough to even place a temporary vote his way.

[MacDougall]

Unless there are two it doesn't super matter anyway.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like fine whatever I’m probably gonna die today, I’m a little disappointed cause I thought this might finally be the game I make it to an f3, but it’s whatever. I can’t even argue much cause my voting record and reads have been pretty bad, pretty sure I’ve townread and/or defended everyone alive rn at some point lolol

How do you know you'd get to f3 if you weren't yeeted here? How do you know that the game wouldn't be over with another lynch on someone else?

Do I seem like I’m confident about being correct in my reads mac?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Also I'm fairly certain I got/get just as uh...caustic, when I'm mafia? Idk, can ask TSP maybe I think he was in endgame of covid with me IIRC)

well in covid you played it nice and then won with sneaky mechanics

I...don’t think I did? I’m fairly sure I remember snapping at people when they scumread me? Idk tbf that was during a stretch where I was scum in like 5 out of 6 games, so maybe I’m thinking of another game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

112 being correct while MP is wrong is probably enough for me to say MP is scum but like

That’s a pretty terrible read too so idk

If I had to kill one person I’d probably make it MP but I’m not confident enough on that read to say anyone should sheep me after I’m dead, I don’t wanna be any more responsible for losing lolol

[Tangrowth]

Catching up now.

[Tangrowth]

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Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

Can you talk to me more about 112's meta perhaps?

My meta on them is a fairly small sample size and some of it’s a year old, but sure—what would you like to know?

You talked about a difference being that wolf 112 busses more and that her votes seem more "lost" as town, what do you mean by the latter exactly?

Eh...they lack focus, if that makes sense? Like, look at their EOD votes this game...dizzy D1, only one on you D2, Sloonei D3, 1/2 on you D4. And was around near EOD4 IIRC?

That’s like...if it’s a mafia, it’s a mafia that is trying not to bus and doesn’t know what to do with their vote, yeah? But given 112 is prone to bussing IIRC, and that they didn’t have much reason not to bus, imo...I’m inclined to say that’s just a townie voting pattern for them?

Now I haven’t gone back through games to look at how often they vote as town vs. mafia, that would probably actually be a good thing to do but I doubt I have time to, so.

Hmmm... thanks for explaining! I'll need to think about this.

[Tangrowth]

I'm sort of getting a wolf Nanook feel from his behavior today, it feels more similar to wolf Nanook in COVID game after I subbed in and then died as his wolfmate after a day. Finding reasons to keep people in the POE as opposed to solving for town.

But I also understand why he might do this if he knows he's town here because then he knows it has to be one of the remaining players, so hmmm, wait, maybe this doesn't make sense.

I have a two person POE, am I supposed to just magically know who the scum is while everyone else gets to have it between two people? That’s an unfair burden.

Sure, maybe you're right. I could be holding you to a higher standard and I'm trying to be cognizant of that.

[Tangrowth]

Like fine whatever I’m probably gonna die today, I’m a little disappointed cause I thought this might finally be the game I make it to an f3, but it’s whatever. I can’t even argue much cause my voting record and reads have been pretty bad, pretty sure I’ve townread and/or defended everyone alive rn at some point lolol

But you shouldn’t be SRing me for tone, especially not if you’re comparing to covid mafia, doing it for having crap reads and voting poorly is fine, but my tone is markedly different I think?

Hey, if you are town, we both found each other for most of the game already, so let's try to do that again.

[Tangrowth]

Like idk what you expect man when there's 5 players left and four of them are saying "yeah it's just Nanook, if it's not him I'm totally lost," I'm doing what I can but like...what am I supposed to do with that? Call you all idiots or something, I guess, but like...that's tiring, and I can't even really blame anyone that's reading me mafia based off sloonei interactions to be totally honest. I've played a pretty poor game, not really fair to get mad at people for scumreading me for it.

So yeah, I'll put in a token defense, but that's all I really have in me on that front. More interested in trying to help narrow things down for you guys tomorrow at this point.

Ughhhh why does this feel so real, dammit.

[Tangrowth]

Yeah don't yell at me I hate that.

Just leave a good legacy. Or try to get yourself unlynched. If you're town obvs.

That’s literally what I’m trying to do lol

So don't let me get in your way. Knock yourself out fam bam.

I have been mate, what do you think I’ve been doing today lol

Pretty sure it’s down to 112 and MP, I’d probably go MP over 112, but idk for sure

Nooooooooo

[Tangrowth]

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112 on Soneji is quite a clusterfuck.

I just read through Sloonei's posts. He posted exactly 4 times yesterday (Tuesday) and hasn't posted at all today. That's not looking good. I understand he's playing another game but he's got no time at all to post in this one on the day we have EOD? I don't like it, the only question for me is whether MP7 is right and we should give him another day because his value if he's town is high. (Is that +EV? Still not 100% sure on how that term is used)

Other than Sloonei, I'm looking toward LC or Soneji for a vote. Since LC and Sloonei already have some heat I'm going to throw a vote Soneji's way.

Has Soneji posted?

Their first mention of Soneji is questioning Juliets voting there softly. No follow up that I saw.

should we just thunderdome sloonei and the doc or is infolynching bad?

We should do nothing of the sort. What are your reads?

probably something like:

Town lean:
112
Epignosis
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Scirrus
sprityo

Neutralish:
M Plus 7
Soneji
TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall

Wolf lean:
Funnygurl555
Sloonei
DrWilgy

3P:
Dyslexicon

Has Soneji pure null.

@112 are you caught up? What are your reads looking like now?

@112

I'm caught up, although I haven't read thoroughly.

I still think you're town. I think Nanook is town. I would put sprityo here but we lynched him.

I don't know what to make of Mac as he's not playing like anything I've seen from him before. I'd lean town because I expect he puts in more effort if he's wolfing, but this isn't a strong lean at this point.

Tony's kind of suspicious. He says he's playing a weak game and from my experience it's scum who are more conscious of not participating well.

Sloonei has been in the lynch discussions since D1 and I get the feeling he's just coasting by/trying not to die instead of actively championing any reads he has.

I haven't read a single post from Soneji this game that I can recall.

And I find Long Con and MP+ suspicious but more so Long Con.

Mentions hasn't read a single Soneji post in this wall. Does nothing about it.

If I had to make a list right now it'd be

112
Nanook
Scirrus
Mac
Soneji
Tony
Wilgy
FG
MP+
LC
Sloonei

Dizzy

Has Soneji smack bang in the centre. Sloonei at the bottom though.

That's literally everything.

Thank you for looking at this. That's... certainly teammate-compatible? But Soneji was such a weird presence in this game.

[Tangrowth]

Let's derp and look at post counts.

MP - 533 posts. Lol town.
Nanook - 201 posts.
TonyStarkPrime - 175 posts, as a sub
112 - 92 posts
Mac - 91 posts (92 when I make this).

Sadly sort by postcount doesn't quite work here because I have low posted more than any other game I've ever played. But maybe it jut does aside from me?

MP and Nook are both effectively clearing TSP as their top town.

TSP is trying to just clear 112/Mac.

Nanook considers his POE 112/MP.

I am just laser focused on Nanook and clearing everyone like a moron.

There's nobody entertaining Nanook town. It feels... wrong. The mafia knew they were going to lose Soneji at some point right? I haven't been paying loads of attention but everyone knew who was dying to the Dizzy role didn't they? They wouldn't get POE clamped like this would they? They had time to prep to send their deepwolf deep? Surely the last mafia here isn't just found like this?

Ugh I hate that I have to look at shit.

Yeah, I'm getting that sinking feeling again, fuck.

[Tangrowth]

So MP vs. Nook. If it's both great, we'll win anyway. If it's one of them, great we'll win anyway?

You guys should do a little thing to entertain us.

*bangs head against desk*

You're doing this as wolf aren't you.

[Tangrowth]

Fuck what even is this game

[Tangrowth]

My gut was screaming at me that Mac doesn't really believe all the stuff he was saying, help.

[Tangrowth]

My gut was screaming at me that Mac doesn't really believe all the stuff he was saying, help.

This feels like tinfoil, but tinfoil seems appropriate right now?

[Tangrowth]

I guess right now I'd favour yeeting Nook first because Nook feels like someone who if he was town should be screaming about MP but he's not. MP is actually screaming about Nook. MP had Nook has scum as early as yesterday I think? MP doesn't feel like someone who's trying to win as the last mafia by extending the game. He's a snap lynch to whoever is alive at f3 I think? Nook feels like he's still trying to create a possible 112 mafia world which he has to do if he's mafia?

I'd better NOT be a snap yeet at F3.

[Tangrowth]

Seriously if I get snap yeeted at F3 I'll be salty.

[Tangrowth]

Well you read that post and you tell me how it makes sense for one scum to accuse another scum of being packmates with the other scum? It's not impossible but the probability feels really low to me. It seems very much designed to chain 112 to Sloonei.

Isn't it possible if 112, Soneji, and Sloonei all thought they were inevitably high yeet probability, which... they probably were at various points?

[Tangrowth]

I did this to myself by phoning in the first 5 days I suppose. I'm not used to trying to townsolve an endgame as the slanker that finally decides to play. Uncharted waters for ya boi!

It is pretty weird, have you and I ever played an endgame like this together? Usually at least one of us dead by now.

[Tangrowth]

Nah fuck it, I'm an idiot, Mac is town.

[Tangrowth]

Nah fuck it, I'm an idiot, Mac is town.

NO BAD LABELS

[Tangrowth]

Probs got two left and it's 112 and TSP and fuck me.

I will laugh hysterically if that's the case.

[Tangrowth]

Why is it that of all the things in life to master I had to dedicate my one mastery slot to forum based mafia?

Mood

[Tangrowth]

Sort by postcount is one thing, but when so many of your posts are this short and awkward idk how much we should put toward that being a town indicator. I get tonal pings from so much of this.

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Nanook and Sloonei are obviously also very compatible after that day 1. They had a couple minor skirmishes that went nowhere. Even when Sloonei voted Nanook he got mad at LC for sheeping him.

I'm actually totally in agreement with you... when I did my Sloonei analyses, Nanook came out at the bottom. Then I freaked out, lol, but still, I did at least feel that way at the time.

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Yeah, you're my top town probably?

@MacDougall - why are you off MP this round?

I don't think MP is compatible with Soneji. I think Soneji's single wall post contains enough evidence that it's Nanook to ignore everything to the contrary.

I'm glad we're in agreement about being on the same side now.

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

Nah, that's common knowledge enough due to spec chat on MU from my perspective, I've had people play games with me for the first time and say that these days, lol.

Plus, Soneji and I go way back, I met him during Season 2 champs, so he would know.

K, I’ll wrote it off as a stupid read then!

Hey Nanook! Talk to me more about your 112 and Mac reads if you don't mind? Unless you don't have anything else to say, haha.

What kind of tonal pings? This is just me?

[Tangrowth]

I'm not sure how much sense this makes, but with MP I get the feeling that he's trying to direct the gamestate whereas with Nanook I think he's just trying to solve.

What are you even talking about, no one has been listening to me all game and I have no fucking clue what's going on?

[Tangrowth]

like, i haven't been paying full attention to the game and am not super strong on my mp/nanook feels, but that's where i stand if it matters at all. fwiw i picked nano as wolf d1 in corona and haven't really been pinged by him this game enough to even place a temporary vote his way.

You keep saying something like this but I don't feel like you've ever really tried to evaluate me at all?

[Tangrowth]

112 being correct while MP is wrong is probably enough for me to say MP is scum but like

That’s a pretty terrible read too so idk

If I had to kill one person I’d probably make it MP but I’m not confident enough on that read to say anyone should sheep me after I’m dead, I don’t wanna be any more responsible for losing lolol

Wait, what does this mean?

[Tangrowth]

I feel like 112 is finding an excuse to read me as wolf based on my playing style, which... what?

[Tangrowth]

I feel like 112 is finding an excuse to read me as wolf based on my playing style, which... what?

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah don't yell at me I hate that.

Just leave a good legacy. Or try to get yourself unlynched. If you're town obvs.

That’s literally what I’m trying to do lol

So don't let me get in your way. Knock yourself out fam bam.

I have been mate, what do you think I’ve been doing today lol

Pretty sure it’s down to 112 and MP, I’d probably go MP over 112, but idk for sure

Nooooooooo

This isn’t a new thought from me lol

[Tangrowth]

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Yeah don't yell at me I hate that.

Just leave a good legacy. Or try to get yourself unlynched. If you're town obvs.

That’s literally what I’m trying to do lol

So don't let me get in your way. Knock yourself out fam bam.

I have been mate, what do you think I’ve been doing today lol

Pretty sure it’s down to 112 and MP, I’d probably go MP over 112, but idk for sure

Nooooooooo

This isn’t a new thought from me lol

I know, but like... we're wolfmate buddies!

Plus I'll be mad at myself if I'm the reason we lose this game. I usually feel good about my ability to clear myself, but apparently I failed.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

112 being correct while MP is wrong is probably enough for me to say MP is scum but like

That’s a pretty terrible read too so idk

If I had to kill one person I’d probably make it MP but I’m not confident enough on that read to say anyone should sheep me after I’m dead, I don’t wanna be any more responsible for losing lolol

Wait, what does this mean?

Wrt reading me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

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Yeah don't yell at me I hate that.

Just leave a good legacy. Or try to get yourself unlynched. If you're town obvs.

That’s literally what I’m trying to do lol

So don't let me get in your way. Knock yourself out fam bam.

I have been mate, what do you think I’ve been doing today lol

Pretty sure it’s down to 112 and MP, I’d probably go MP over 112, but idk for sure

Nooooooooo

This isn’t a new thought from me lol

I know, but like... we're wolfmate buddies!

Plus I'll be mad at myself if I'm the reason we lose this game. I usually feel good about my ability to clear myself, but apparently I failed.

You only get to pull that card once per game, sorry

[Tangrowth]

112 being correct while MP is wrong is probably enough for me to say MP is scum but like

That’s a pretty terrible read too so idk

If I had to kill one person I’d probably make it MP but I’m not confident enough on that read to say anyone should sheep me after I’m dead, I don’t wanna be any more responsible for losing lolol

Wait, what does this mean?

Wrt reading me

Oh, right, because from your perspective I'd want you misyeeted today, okay, got it.

[Tangrowth]

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That’s literally what I’m trying to do lol

So don't let me get in your way. Knock yourself out fam bam.

I have been mate, what do you think I’ve been doing today lol

Pretty sure it’s down to 112 and MP, I’d probably go MP over 112, but idk for sure

Nooooooooo

This isn’t a new thought from me lol

I know, but like... we're wolfmate buddies!

Plus I'll be mad at myself if I'm the reason we lose this game. I usually feel good about my ability to clear myself, but apparently I failed.

You only get to pull that card once per game, sorry

Damn, it was worth a try, lmao.

[Tangrowth]

My feelings about this game right now:

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[Tangrowth]

[mention]112[/mention]

Can you explain to me more what you mean about the directing the gamestate thing? I genuinely don't understand, but I'd like to. Thank you!

[Tangrowth]

I'm sad that 112 and I could never really gel this game despite really wanting to properly play a game with her.

[Tangrowth]

Well you read that post and you tell me how it makes sense for one scum to accuse another scum of being packmates with the other scum? It's not impossible but the probability feels really low to me. It seems very much designed to chain 112 to Sloonei.

Isn't it possible if 112, Soneji, and Sloonei all thought they were inevitably high yeet probability, which... they probably were at various points?

Like, can someone talk to me about this? I don't understand why it's being discounted? I wanted to burn 112 on the stake at various points, Sloonei almost got yeeted d1, and Soneji was a near non-factor, so why isn't this possible?

[Tangrowth]

Now I'm saying this as someone who generally agrees with what Mac said about the interactions, I'm just... if it isn't Nanook, I need to figure this out because I am NOT losing us this game in F3.

[Tangrowth]

I am still torn though because Nanook sort of feels like Jacob/Man in Black in LOST when they said about each other something about if you let him talk to you it's too late, so maybe I should be careful about feeling super panicked again based on a few posts really resonating with me, but...

at the same time they resonated with me?

[Tangrowth]

I feel like 112 is actually doing the least solving of anyone this phase... so ???

Oh wait, I guess other than maybe TSP. So actually should we yeet TSP? Lmao.

Okay, I need to step away for a bit apparently, hahaha.

[Tangrowth]

I could go for 112. That “thunderdome” suggestion is the antithesis of all things good and civilian.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I think 112 is town with at least one mafia voting there right now.

Why?

Yeah, alright, this definitely sounds opportunistic. I'm not sure what wolf Sloonei would do if 112 is his wolfmate, but this doesn't seem like it?

Hey [mention]MacDougall[/mention], do you actually have a meta understanding of whether Sloonei would ever hard bus or not here?