Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[Tangrowth]

I wish I knew what spec/dead chat was saying right now... but maybe not, they probably think it's me lmao.

[Tangrowth]

I think I need someone to talk to me about Macdougall.

[Tangrowth]

Hey 112, can you talk to me more about your meta on Nanook?

[Tangrowth]

I'm very mildly concerned that 112, Nanook, and I are all flailing here, and Mac is openly powerwolfing.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

I could go for 112. That “thunderdome” suggestion is the antithesis of all things good and civilian.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Hey, let's talk for a bit while I have some time. What else are you thinking? I know it's been a weird start for you, but I need inside your brain a bit.

My vote has been on Tony because I didn’t care for the way he framed his juliets vote, but my initial reaction to nova was a decent town lean for Night 0. And then I’ve also begun to wonder about the way juliets approached me on Day 1. She repeatedly asked me about games that are not this one, and then she dropped out.

I owe wilgy a more thorough review after the way yesterday played out, and in an ideal world I’d like to review the bandwagon against me, but I still don’t have the motivation to undertake a big project like that.

You and I have both been pushed around by Epi in this game, and I believe you mentiond that he was ripping your posts out of context to spin accusations against you. I also felt the same way about his case on me, and I believe I said so as well. But coming from Epi I do not see this as necessarily a bad thing. He operates according to his own gameplan regardless of alignment. When I’ve caught him as mafia in the past, it’s been because his posts seem to be working toward a clear agenda while shutting out or denying alternatives. Which version of Epi do you feel is more likely in this game right now?

I'm a bit torn on it. I thought he was being a boneheaded townie all of d1, and I'm still inclined to view him that way, but his singular focus would be easy enough to replicate as town and I also feel like he's just seeing what he wants to see, which indicates a lack of agenda. It's been a while since I've played with scum Epi though.

What do you think of Mac? I had a read on him that he would try harder to develop his own reads if he was scum here, does that make sense to you?

My presence in the thread has not overlapped with mac at all and I’m terrible at reading him anyway. I can’t offer any thoughts on him right now.

This totally could be Sloonei talking about his wolfmate. He says literally nothing about him.

[Tangrowth]

MP is here to make civilian lynches happen.

Sloonei is here to make civilian lynches happen.

Keep that in mind.

Let's just do what he says for a change.

Lazy.

Boy you and Sloonei shielded each other a lot hey.

God fucking dammit, this is pure shade, it's Mac isn't it.

[Tangrowth]

I do not have any reason to to suspect MP at this time.

Naww Sloonei reverted to his usual self when Mac started Maccing. I like this. You can be town.

This is bullshit.

[Tangrowth]

DOGPEE COMMENCE

[Tangrowth]

Everyone needs to read Mac's re-entrance to the thread onward from here, he interacts with Sloonei, and it looks bad imo.

This game will be the best game in the history of mafia. People keep saying to me, "Escape From Trump Tower" is the best game.

I am not reading Sloonei's ISO and locking him town off this.

Wilgy is mafia btw.

He's fucking powerwolfing.

[Tangrowth]

Not to mention that I also felt like Mac doing his interactions this most recent time... it felt like he was looking for connections to make to people, instead of actually uncovering what's actually going on.

You know what, fuck it, it's Mac. LET'S GO

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

Mac also constantly whiteknights the fuck out of 112 throughout the game, and frankly I don't feel like he's ever given a really substantiated reason for reading her town and never changing it, and shades me constantly while Sloonei whiteknights me.

Nah, he's powerwolfing.

[Tangrowth]

I'm so fucking confident about this right now, the game by far makes the most sense if it's Mac right now, holy shit.

[Tangrowth]

HOLY FUCK

I think 112 is town with at least one mafia voting there right now.

Why?

I think 112 is town because I read their posts and find them townie. The post that MP quoted that made him want to burn 112 was also just a random vulnerable thought made manifest that MP jumped on. I dunno what's happened since then but if that's why she has three votes then y'all wagon is bad. I think there is a HIGH af likelihood of one of MP/TSP being maphier.

I didn’t realize tony was also on 112. I thought it was just MP and I and hardly considered that to be a wagon, especially this early in the day. Meh. I agree with MP’s take on the “thunderdome” post, but I’ll grant that she was not making an outright recommendation we follow that course. Day 2 is not Day 1, do we should not bind ourselves to what happened then.

In answer to your other question: I give no shits at all if I am voting alongside a player I had previously voted for, especially at this stage in the game.

We can unpack that post more if you want. I think it's fair to think that there is a high likelihood of one of you or Wilgy being Mafia based purely on wagonomics. So the idea of going back to that well is fair from that perspective. Particularly if you don't have a preference between the two. I personally would just like to lynch Wilgy today because I think he is mafia. I actually think 112 suspects Wilgy and framed a return to that well in a way that she thought would be agreeable to people but in actuality has triggered MP and Sloobot.

This is absolute garbage. Mac keeps saying Sloonei and Wilgy could be wolves due to wagonomics.

The bolded and underlined is A THING. Note that Mac was wolf reading me at this point in the game, so how can he be town reading Sloonei for the same reason that he's wolfing me? Am I misunderstanding this?

I NEED PEOPLE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT MAC RIGHT NOW.

[Tangrowth]

I'm going to explode at this very moment.

[Tangrowth]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

[Tangrowth]

CHAOTIC GOOD TO THE RESCUE

[MacDougall]

I did this to myself by phoning in the first 5 days I suppose. I'm not used to trying to townsolve an endgame as the slanker that finally decides to play. Uncharted waters for ya boi!

It is pretty weird, have you and I ever played an endgame like this together? Usually at least one of us dead by now.

You, me, Floyd and a tree

[MacDougall]

Nah fuck it, I'm an idiot, Mac is town.

Looks at you

Looks at votes

[MacDougall]

Now I'm saying this as someone who generally agrees with what Mac said about the interactions, I'm just... if it isn't Nanook, I need to figure this out because I am NOT losing us this game in F3.

If you are mafia, and I am at f3, yes you are losing your team the game at f3 brah.

[MacDougall]

I could go for 112. That “thunderdome” suggestion is the antithesis of all things good and civilian.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I think 112 is town with at least one mafia voting there right now.

Why?

Yeah, alright, this definitely sounds opportunistic. I'm not sure what wolf Sloonei would do if 112 is his wolfmate, but this doesn't seem like it?

Hey @MacDougall, do you actually have a meta understanding of whether Sloonei would ever hard bus or not here?

Rand>No

[MacDougall]

I'm very mildly concerned that 112, Nanook, and I are all flailing here, and Mac is openly powerwolfing.

You see me actually solving, reading ISOs, interaction analysing, going back and looking at day 1 posts, looking at Nova's fucking posts and you call it powerwolfing.

You can get it. Jerk.

[MacDougall]

I'm so fucking confident about this right now, the game by far makes the most sense if it's Mac right now, holy shit.

If you are town, your emotions just lost town the game here because I'm gonna omgus the fuck out of you now. Gg.

[Tangrowth]

I did this to myself by phoning in the first 5 days I suppose. I'm not used to trying to townsolve an endgame as the slanker that finally decides to play. Uncharted waters for ya boi!

It is pretty weird, have you and I ever played an endgame like this together? Usually at least one of us dead by now.

You, me, Floyd and a tree

Oh yeah I should go back and look at that.

[MacDougall]

HOLY FUCK

I think 112 is town with at least one mafia voting there right now.

Why?

I think 112 is town because I read their posts and find them townie. The post that MP quoted that made him want to burn 112 was also just a random vulnerable thought made manifest that MP jumped on. I dunno what's happened since then but if that's why she has three votes then y'all wagon is bad. I think there is a HIGH af likelihood of one of MP/TSP being maphier.

I didn’t realize tony was also on 112. I thought it was just MP and I and hardly considered that to be a wagon, especially this early in the day. Meh. I agree with MP’s take on the “thunderdome” post, but I’ll grant that she was not making an outright recommendation we follow that course. Day 2 is not Day 1, do we should not bind ourselves to what happened then.

In answer to your other question: I give no shits at all if I am voting alongside a player I had previously voted for, especially at this stage in the game.

We can unpack that post more if you want. I think it's fair to think that there is a high likelihood of one of you or Wilgy being Mafia based purely on wagonomics. So the idea of going back to that well is fair from that perspective. Particularly if you don't have a preference between the two. I personally would just like to lynch Wilgy today because I think he is mafia. I actually think 112 suspects Wilgy and framed a return to that well in a way that she thought would be agreeable to people but in actuality has triggered MP and Sloobot.

This is absolute garbage. Mac keeps saying Sloonei and Wilgy could be wolves due to wagonomics.

The bolded and underlined is A THING. Note that Mac was wolf reading me at this point in the game, so how can he be town reading Sloonei for the same reason that he's wolfing me? Am I misunderstanding this?

I NEED PEOPLE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT MAC RIGHT NOW.

Oh yeah this is that thing where when you asked me about it earlier you said

Spoiler: show

Why?

I think 112 is town because I read their posts and find them townie. The post that MP quoted that made him want to burn 112 was also just a random vulnerable thought made manifest that MP jumped on. I dunno what's happened since then but if that's why she has three votes then y'all wagon is bad. I think there is a HIGH af likelihood of one of MP/TSP being maphier.

I didn’t realize tony was also on 112. I thought it was just MP and I and hardly considered that to be a wagon, especially this early in the day. Meh. I agree with MP’s take on the “thunderdome” post, but I’ll grant that she was not making an outright recommendation we follow that course. Day 2 is not Day 1, do we should not bind ourselves to what happened then.

In answer to your other question: I give no shits at all if I am voting alongside a player I had previously voted for, especially at this stage in the game.

We can unpack that post more if you want. I think it's fair to think that there is a high likelihood of one of you or Wilgy being Mafia based purely on wagonomics. So the idea of going back to that well is fair from that perspective. Particularly if you don't have a preference between the two. I personally would just like to lynch Wilgy today because I think he is mafia. I actually think 112 suspects Wilgy and framed a return to that well in a way that she thought would be agreeable to people but in actuality has triggered MP and Sloobot.

Can you expand on the wagonomics bit? Why can't it be v/v?

It can be, I just think that it is more likely to have just ended in a lynch if it was v/v. To end exactly in a tie indicates that there were votes that occurred to create that outcome as opposed to the random chaos that would occur in a v/v lynch which would usually just end in someone getting lynched. If a v/v lynch ends in a tie it benefits town also, so Mafia would not want that as much as village would. It would be a failing on all parties. I don't get the impression that when 100% of the game would benefit from a lynch it would not occur.

It's also possible that the tie was created because it was a w/w lynch and it was the only way they could prevent a wolf lynch entirely tbh. Unlikely but worthy of thought.

That makes sense, I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks, Mac.

[Tangrowth]

Now I'm saying this as someone who generally agrees with what Mac said about the interactions, I'm just... if it isn't Nanook, I need to figure this out because I am NOT losing us this game in F3.

If you are mafia, and I am at f3, yes you are losing your team the game at f3 brah.

Of course because that’s exactly what you want.

[MacDougall]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

[Tangrowth]

Utter bullshit, you’re not trying to figure out my alignment at all. You’re declaring. You’re not solving.

[MacDougall]

Now I'm saying this as someone who generally agrees with what Mac said about the interactions, I'm just... if it isn't Nanook, I need to figure this out because I am NOT losing us this game in F3.

If you are mafia, and I am at f3, yes you are losing your team the game at f3 brah.

Of course because that’s exactly what you want.

Yes, I would like for the mafia to lose this game. Got me.

[Tangrowth]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

[MacDougall]

Utter bullshit, you’re not trying to figure out my alignment at all. You’re declaring. You’re not solving.

MP quit being a FUCKING DUMBASS

[Tangrowth]

It’s fine, I’m walking away. Sorry for upsetting you.

[MacDougall]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

You are acting like a raging lunatic screaming into the void. Calm the fuck down. I am not mafia.

[Tangrowth]

Oh I’m so sorry I didn’t mean to make this unfun.

[MacDougall]

It’s fine, I’m walking away. Sorry for upsetting you.

What the actual fuck man.

I am here to answer to you. You are being histrionic and just tunneling me like a psycho. Just reasonably talk to me and I will reasonably talk to you.

[Tangrowth]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

You are acting like a raging lunatic screaming into the void. Calm the fuck down. I am not mafia.

Are you reading me town or wolf?

[MacDougall]

Utter bullshit, you’re not trying to figure out my alignment at all. You’re declaring. You’re not solving.

Should I quote the posts where I solved and the ones where you declared. Like this one?

[Tangrowth]

It’s fine, I’m walking away. Sorry for upsetting you.

What the actual fuck man.

I am here to answer to you. You are being histrionic and just tunneling me like a psycho. Just reasonably talk to me and I will reasonably talk to you.

Oh okay, I just didn’t want to upset you or anything.

[MacDougall]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

You are acting like a raging lunatic screaming into the void. Calm the fuck down. I am not mafia.

Are you reading me town or wolf?

Where is my vote?

[Tangrowth]

Utter bullshit, you’re not trying to figure out my alignment at all. You’re declaring. You’re not solving.

Should I quote the posts where I solved and the ones where you declared. Like this one?

This is what I’m talking about though. You’re pointing out inconsistencies. How do those make me scum?

You’re not solving, it’s fake. It’s see-through.

[Tangrowth]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

You are acting like a raging lunatic screaming into the void. Calm the fuck down. I am not mafia.

Are you reading me town or wolf?

Where is my vote?

Sure, but you've done stuff like declared your intentions to snap vote me in F3, so you can maybe see why I'm a bit confused.

[MacDougall]

You flipping the fuck out at f5 when it's almost certain we have only 1 mafia left is making me WANT to switch to you and get you the hell out of the game because the idea of an f3 with you feels like the worst thing in the world right now.

Aside from that, I am rationally reading Nanook as sightly more mafia than you.

But I made a lot of very good points against you in this game and every time I did, all you did was omgus the fuck out of me. Like literally every time. All you did was call it bullshit and then start accusing me, until I stopped scum reading you and then you go back to town reading me. This is either the worst town game I've ever seen from you or you are mafia.

[Tangrowth]

Also calling me a raging lunatic, sure, I can take it, but... it sort of feels like you're trying to discredit me.

[MacDougall]

Think about how everyone is behaving today. Mac has displayed the most agenda.

If that agenda is trying to find the most reasonable lynch, then yes, I agree.

I have solved more than anyone. You decided to just tunnel me and scream like a moron.

The name calling isn’t appreciated although I understand you’d be upset.

You are acting like a raging lunatic screaming into the void. Calm the fuck down. I am not mafia.

Are you reading me town or wolf?

Where is my vote?

Sure, but you've done stuff like declared your intentions to snap vote me in F3, so you can maybe see why I'm a bit confused.

I am not losing to mafia MP at f3 after you have put forth this game dude. I am policy snap voting you at f3 if I am there and if Nanook isn't the last mafia.

[Tangrowth]

You flipping the fuck out at f5 when it's almost certain we have only 1 mafia left is making me WANT to switch to you and get you the hell out of the game because the idea of an f3 with you feels like the worst thing in the world right now.

Aside from that, I am rationally reading Nanook as sightly more mafia than you.

But I made a lot of very good points against you in this game and every time I did, all you did was omgus the fuck out of me. Like literally every time. All you did was call it bullshit and then start accusing me, until I stopped scum reading you and then you go back to town reading me. This is either the worst town game I've ever seen from you or you are mafia.

That's 100% ABSOLUTELY patently false, you tunneled the fuck out of me post-Day 4 and I declared you were absolutely town, and then you read me as wolf for it.

[Tangrowth]

Having trouble keeping track of your manufactured reads, are you?

[MacDougall]

Also calling me a raging lunatic, sure, I can take it, but... it sort of feels like you're trying to discredit me.

I am calling a spade, a spade. You are rage tunneling and reinventing all of my content to fit your narrow ass mafia agenda including content where I specifically look town such as the one where I made a very valid and correct point that the day 1 wagons had a mafia on it. You are either losing the plot or you are flailing mafia.

[Tangrowth]

Two NK'd townies wanted MP dead. We nearly had him lynched and he comes in "supertowning" and drives a lynch on town. Nobody should be townreading this dude. If you are you legit need your head examined.

I can't wait to immortalize some of these quotes. I've never seen you this wrong about me before.

More TMI. It's ridiculous.

Why are you town MP. Why should I be reading you as town? What have you done that should make me be town reading you?

You are super compatible with Sloonei.
You are in your mafia range.
Your two biggest adversaries got capped.
You have avoided being lynched somehow.

It's not TMI dude, I seriously think you probably have your head up your own ass.

How am I super compatible with Sloonei? Go back and look again with a fresh perspective, he pockets the fuck out of me.

Lmfao okay MP. Suspecting you = having my head up my ass.

Maybe I should just make a rule where I town read the scummiest players in the game for some fucking ridiculous reason in future.

No, I mean, it's just the insane depth of your tunnel. I've seen you do this to me *maybe* as tunnely as you are right now a couple times and you were right about me, but I've never seen you do it when you were wrong. It's bizarre from my standpoint.

There's almost no way a wolf does this to me, right? It's truly next level tunneling.

Remember this, Mac?

[Tangrowth]

Also calling me a raging lunatic, sure, I can take it, but... it sort of feels like you're trying to discredit me.

I am calling a spade, a spade. You are rage tunneling and reinventing all of my content to fit your narrow ass mafia agenda including content where I specifically look town such as the one where I made a very valid and correct point that the day 1 wagons had a mafia on it. You are either losing the plot or you are flailing mafia.

Nope, I caught you.

[Tangrowth]

Game is over, it's Mac. Let's do it.

[MacDougall]

MP when we yeet Nanook today and he flips Mafia, I expect a very sincere apology from you in the post game.