Space Invaders [END]

[Epignosis]

Good pull, nut.

[Epignosis]

I just submitted my protection for nutella.

[Epignosis]

I'll grab a drink and read the last four pages or so I'm missing I guess.

[protocultures]

Good shot Nutella.

I def look bad now.

Going to put paranoia aside and townread Alison. If it turns out I was pocketed, so be it. I need to form some semblance of towncore.

I like Hally's analysis of early days. We think the same stuff. I will say it got harder for me on a bunch of people as the posts piled on.

[Hally]

ig now i can read for soneji interactions and spew as i go! beats having to reread

also idk what im supposed to do with my protect. if there is a plan im supposed to follow @ me and i will do that

[Epignosis]

not having a QT to keep track of my reads in is kind of a bummer. ig i gotta do it like this. am up to page 5 and i have

town:

nut - IC

dizzy - idek what to say here other than i’m not wrong about this

tutuu - town vibe too stronk! posts feel super natural and reads feel organic. i like everything i’m seeing from her so far

proto - how he wrote his reads felt like he was actually thinking about them as he was writing. like i was able to see the progression of his thoughts and it felt real to me. i saw dunya had the same take here

town lean:

dunya - ngl i was kinda taken aback at first by how confident she seemed in her reads so quickly, but i think that’s more towny than not on balance? some things gave me pause though. idk i’m kinda paranoid of her but can be a town lean for now for the solving and also mindmelding on proto

carotte - vibes the same to me as when she was town in her champs game. her strategy seemed the best/most town-motivated of the ones suggested. i also liked the reads on epi and LC she gave

nullish:

nanook - his attitude/tone read as more town to me but i’m not sure if this is an alignment thing or a nanook thing

tsp - his posts seem to mostly be strategy stuff so far. it does feel like town-motivated strategy (like the wanting to bet on having a good poe) but i think good strategy talk is fakable as scum so im gonna wait and see

allison - her entrance post was not AI to me really. it was mostly strategy and i didn’t understand what she was calling epi out for. no other posts yet

soneji - i know i saw a post by him but i dont remember it

dragomir - i don’t really get what’s so scummy about him. his posts are not great optics wise but i didn’t read them and go “omg lock scum.” more just meh than anything

conflicted:

LC - the omgus on dunya felt over the top. also generally his “idc if you suspect me thats cute make me laugh” stuff rubs me wrong. like he is trying too hard to seem like he is above suspicion. idk if this is a personality thing though. and like i could actually see this attitude as being more townish maybe? but i need to see solving

epi - sort of similar to LC. just the “your opinion doesnt matter only nut’s does” rubs me wrong. and i don’t see solving from him either yet. but i like his tone better than LC i think. came off p strong in his response to allison. and also the “i am nut’s one true protector” seems townish i think? gth i would lean epi as town over LC i think. idk i dont feel confident in my read on either tbh

scummish:

rej - idk what it is but his posts feel slimy to me. like his reads kinda just feel fake? seems like he’s trying to look solvy but i don’t feel its organic


its so hard to keep track of everyone when i dont know anyone rip

Five posts from you and I'm not doing any solving.

[Hally]

not having a QT to keep track of my reads in is kind of a bummer. ig i gotta do it like this. am up to page 5 and i have

town:

nut - IC

dizzy - idek what to say here other than i’m not wrong about this

tutuu - town vibe too stronk! posts feel super natural and reads feel organic. i like everything i’m seeing from her so far

proto - how he wrote his reads felt like he was actually thinking about them as he was writing. like i was able to see the progression of his thoughts and it felt real to me. i saw dunya had the same take here

town lean:

dunya - ngl i was kinda taken aback at first by how confident she seemed in her reads so quickly, but i think that’s more towny than not on balance? some things gave me pause though. idk i’m kinda paranoid of her but can be a town lean for now for the solving and also mindmelding on proto

carotte - vibes the same to me as when she was town in her champs game. her strategy seemed the best/most town-motivated of the ones suggested. i also liked the reads on epi and LC she gave

nullish:

nanook - his attitude/tone read as more town to me but i’m not sure if this is an alignment thing or a nanook thing

tsp - his posts seem to mostly be strategy stuff so far. it does feel like town-motivated strategy (like the wanting to bet on having a good poe) but i think good strategy talk is fakable as scum so im gonna wait and see

allison - her entrance post was not AI to me really. it was mostly strategy and i didn’t understand what she was calling epi out for. no other posts yet

soneji - i know i saw a post by him but i dont remember it

dragomir - i don’t really get what’s so scummy about him. his posts are not great optics wise but i didn’t read them and go “omg lock scum.” more just meh than anything

conflicted:

LC - the omgus on dunya felt over the top. also generally his “idc if you suspect me thats cute make me laugh” stuff rubs me wrong. like he is trying too hard to seem like he is above suspicion. idk if this is a personality thing though. and like i could actually see this attitude as being more townish maybe? but i need to see solving

epi - sort of similar to LC. just the “your opinion doesnt matter only nut’s does” rubs me wrong. and i don’t see solving from him either yet. but i like his tone better than LC i think. came off p strong in his response to allison. and also the “i am nut’s one true protector” seems townish i think? gth i would lean epi as town over LC i think. idk i dont feel confident in my read on either tbh

scummish:

rej - idk what it is but his posts feel slimy to me. like his reads kinda just feel fake? seems like he’s trying to look solvy but i don’t feel its organic


its so hard to keep track of everyone when i dont know anyone rip

Five posts from you and I'm not doing any solving.

1) i just got here hi hello
2) idk if you missed but that’s just up to page 5!

[Epignosis]

Fair enough. Welcome. Keep doing your thing.

[Carotenoid]

Hmn okay so first reaction is maybe Rej isn't scum after all, I remember a Soneji scumread, but then turns out it's pretty soft #680, and then

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Question mark scum read so hmmmn they might be w/w.

[Hally]

Spoiler: show

2 persons pinged me as bad for the moment :

* Epignosis is like only focused on protecting nutella in a stubborn/non-cooperative way, which is not helping town. They're also only reacting to posts that directly involves them throughout the thread, so they did read the rest, just didn't react. (Also poop reads.)
* Long Con's posts are 3/4 defense and 1/4 dubious mechanic talk, not good.

tutuu seems the most town to me and I'm still sorting the others

Epi’s town, I think. I have no read on tutuu.

Why?

Also sorry seems like I failed something with my quote on my last post ^^'

Epi’s town because he’s like . Almost TMIed himself as town. It just feels like a mindset thing. I can’t explain it and I’ve been tricked before but Epi seems to just be town.

quoting this because mindmeld! this is what i was trying to say about epi when i was like “thinks he is nuts one true protector is probably townish.” because it’s like he just expects people to know that he is town and to trust him to protect nut. idk it’s sorta thin but like the mindset is there i think

[Epignosis]

I don't think I'm nutella's "one true protector." That's silly. What I'm saying is that I'm going to protect her and already did. All other bunkers can protect one another. I understand if you don't believe me and want to hedge on that. Don't, but I understand if you do.

[Carotenoid]

Also [mention]nutella[/mention] you should tell us asap who you want to protect you and what strategy you want as there wasn't really consensus

If three random persons protect you the odds of losing n1 is like 1%

[Epignosis]

One other thing. Don't announce your protection. Just do it. Make the mafia fuck up. Preferably multiple times.

[Hally]

idk if ppl are still sussing dizzy but he is town and i will fight ppl on this if i have to

[Epignosis]

idk if ppl are still sussing dizzy but he is town and i will fight ppl on this if i have to

Yeah, I no longer think that. It was a phase.

[MacDougall]

Aight I'll solve the game now

[Hally]

ok, misread the OP - I thought each Bunker could only protect once. Apparently they have 4 shots. Still not enough to waste them on a mass protect of every player in the game.

this kinda does feel like a slip both for not knowing the four protects thing but also for the use of “they” instead of “we” that i just saw carotte point out. but also making reads off stuff like this is kinda cheap and usually not so reliable. and it’s an open setup anyway so idk why scum would slip like this itt. i’m just gonna keep reading

[nutella]

hey howboudat

[TonyStarkPrime]

I just submitted my protection for nutella.

I love epi. Epi is my new favorite player.

[nutella]

Hmn okay so first reaction is maybe Rej isn't scum after all, I remember a Soneji scumread, but then turns out it's pretty soft #680, and then

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Question mark scum read so hmmmn they might be w/w.

Yeah that wasn't great.

[TonyStarkPrime]

One other thing. Don't announce your protection. Just do it. Make the mafia fuck up. Preferably multiple times.

[nutella]

Also @nutella you should tell us asap who you want to protect you and what strategy you want as there wasn't really consensus

If three random persons protect you the odds of losing n1 is like 1%

After all that discussion I still don't really know for sure what the optimal strategy is. I was hoping there would be some kind of consensus. But I can at least post my reads as of now and we can decide what to do with them?

[nutella]

idk if ppl are still sussing dizzy but he is town and i will fight ppl on this if i have to

I went back and forth a little but I believe your meta....unless you're scum too. :P

[nutella]

tutuu
Epignosis
Nanook
Dyslexicon
Long Con
protocultures
Hally
Mac
dunya
Alison
TonyStarkPrime
Carotenoid
Rej


....Something like that. Ugh. I'm so unsure on a lot of these.

[Carotenoid]

I think there was two main things :

- Only protect nutella
- Bottom or top of PoE protect nutella with possibilities of other bunkers protecting other bunkers but NOT forming a chain with everyone

Soneji's strategy fell more in the second category so instinctively I don't want to do that.

Maybe don't post your readlist for now, we have like 20 hours to submit actions right?

[Carotenoid]

Argh I'm always a minute late xD

[TonyStarkPrime]

tutuu
Epignosis
Nanook
Dyslexicon
Long Con
protocultures
Hally
Mac
dunya
Alison
TonyStarkPrime
Carotenoid
Rej


....Something like that. Ugh. I'm so unsure on a lot of these.

I refuse to not be completely town cleared.

[nutella]

tutuu
Epignosis
Nanook
Dyslexicon
Long Con
protocultures
Hally
Mac
dunya
Alison
TonyStarkPrime
Carotenoid
Rej


....Something like that. Ugh. I'm so unsure on a lot of these.

I refuse to not be completely town cleared.

mmm maybe fair

also mac should probably be higher

yeah I'm still second guessing a looot of this tbh

mac higher than LC I guess


nanook needs to do more


hm

[Hally]

We love Alison! Stop creating drama MacAlien

This is evidence you aren't actually reading the game so therefore your reads should be ignored.

Rude to ignore me on my bday

happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think there was two main things :

- Only protect nutella
- Bottom or top of PoE protect nutella with possibilities of other bunkers protecting other bunkers but NOT forming a chain with everyone

Soneji's strategy fell more in the second category so instinctively I don't want to do that.

Maybe don't post your readlist for now, we have like 20 hours to submit actions right?

Gives us an idea where the mafia team's heads are at. 2 bottom poe protects on nutella and maybe one or two hero protects if necessary should do the trick.

[Carotenoid]

tutuu
Epignosis
Nanook
Dyslexicon
Long Con
protocultures
Hally
Mac
dunya
Alison
TonyStarkPrime
Carotenoid
Rej


....Something like that. Ugh. I'm so unsure on a lot of these.

I refuse to not be completely town cleared.

Hah yeah, I'm going through iso and that's fair

[Carotenoid]

I think there was two main things :

- Only protect nutella
- Bottom or top of PoE protect nutella with possibilities of other bunkers protecting other bunkers but NOT forming a chain with everyone

Soneji's strategy fell more in the second category so instinctively I don't want to do that.

Maybe don't post your readlist for now, we have like 20 hours to submit actions right?

Gives us an idea where the mafia team's heads are at. 2 bottom poe protects on nutella and maybe one or two hero protects if necessary should do the trick.

If bottom of PoE protect I still think people should only self-protect if they feel the need to.

[Epignosis]

Here are things Soneji said.

@Soneji maybe u can give us good strategies to win this game since this isn't your first

No bad advice pls if you're a cheeky alien ;p

I have never played this setup, merely brainstormed with DDL a few months ago on how to improve the setup he found on another site. Haven't thought much yet about optimal strategy here, and DDL has made further changes from what we came to in our chat. Will look into it later.

I note that dunya engaged Soneji to give good strategies and then winked at him about being an alien. That's wild.

I'm going to give my take here.

dunya is trying to get a teammate engaged and this was her best way to get it done. This looks bad, and I don't care if Soneji helped originally with the setup.

++++

Does anybody have to pee before I do the next one? I do.

++++

People posting too much for a d0

Wah.

I don't see any need to tell nutella what to do. I would rather nutella just kill someone.

It's not telling, just suggesting.

Thanks.

Vote Epignosis

(yes, I know it doesn't do anything, I just want to make it clear what my stance is from day to day)


Making a list of who protects who only gives more information to the mafia about who is unprotected. And mafia wins the game immediately if they kill nutella, so it is completely useless to know who failed to protect her the day after we lose the game. The strategy you are proposing would make it trivially easy for the mafia to win just by attacking the operator on the night where a mafia member is scheduled to protect her. And a public list of who protects who would make it easier for the mafia to know who they can safely kill since there isn't enough heals to protect everyone at once.

It is correct for town to keep when and who they are using their protect on secret so mafia doesn't know who is being protected, if the operator is shielded, and how many protects the town has left.

Why are you preemptively thinking you'll be called out for making a vote, even in a game where they don’t officially matter to the lynch?

The primary goal with the protects isn't to be blocking every shot, just those aimed at nutella. The secondary goal with the protects should be to keep the towncore alive.

This is lecturing Alison on the very basics of this setup. I'm not reading into it.

Oh yea i was also thinking of using RNG to determine our protections

like idk the numbers but lets say arbitrarily say 10% , each bunker goes to rand.org or however eas the site, rolls between 1 and 100, if its 1 to 10 they protect nutella, otherwise save their shot. Obv different on even nights and as more of us die but u get the idea. Like, just think of some numbers that will give us good odds, i think its okay to slightly potentially lose the game on the first night if it means bigger chance to win in the end

That’s not what we’re doing lol

feels annoying to disparage my idea without even giving it a chance as if its something silly, and as if luck isnt already involved to a degree in mafia

This plan seems too wolfy to be a wolf, especially with the genuine seeming offense to their idea being dismissed.

tutuu is bad.

"This plan SEEMS too wolfy to be a wolf"

That's hedging language. Is it or isn't it?

Then there's the clarification afterwards: "especially with the genuine seeming offense to their idea being dismissed" which is so wordy and poorly executed.

nutella, my recommendation at this point is to put a muzzle in the face of tutuu next chance you get.

I didn't actually take that piss and now I need a drink.

I'll continue this exercise directly.

[Hally]

can i town read mac for making me laugh? is that allowed

[Epignosis]

can i town read mac for making me laugh? is that allowed

Can I call you bad for thinking Mac is remotely funny?

[Epignosis]

Drink in hand. I shall continue.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That’s a lot of bolding from Carot and bolding makes me nervous cause it’s aggressive

I’m scared of carot now so I’ll probably just sheep them provided their reads agree with mine

Did I really scare NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME?

Now I’m double scared tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nice nut shot

[Epignosis]

Also, I'm a bunker and I'm always going to be defending nutella. Don't waste your defense on me.

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

and if Epi's an alien...

Also, I'm a bunker and I'm always going to be defending nutella. Don't waste your defense on me.

That should say "Don't waste your defense on nutella."

On the multikill nights more people need to protect me though right?

I only vaguely understand the setup....

2 people. You'll be fine. I promise. Epi and dun got ur back gurl

This is over is an alien laser shoots nutella. That's it.

Bunkers have limited protections. After I'm spent, someone else will need to carry on in my stead (or if I get killed).

This is about setting up a network of protections so that it's clear who failed and is therefore mafia.

regardless, I think this is town

Sow doubt on Epi, then swiftly call him town anyways:hmm

Fuckin' A.

Let's keep an eye on this opinion though. Might come in handy later.

We publicly make a list of who protects who. When someone dies we know who lied

okay, but I'm not going through with this unless there are at least 2 people defending Nutella and possibly 3

@linki oh yeah and bunker protects are limited. It might be best to save them until endgame and just force the poe to protect Nutella each day

The PoE are almost always going to be the ones you least want protecting the Laser.

Whatever.

All this strategy talk is hurting my brain. I'm merely glancing at these posts right now.

Drago got replaced so not expecting Mac to answer for this, but yeah trying to act lost here when everyone else is doing fine with mechanics talk, and offering up nothing else besides is a bad look.

I didn't see "everyone else doing fine" with mechanics talk at all. I think Mac is a civilian. Shoot him anyway just in case.

All this strategy talk is hurting my brain. I'm merely glancing at these posts right now.

Then ignore mechanics, project town and find scum. We’ll take care of the mechanics.

Good look from Nanook to push Drago into being productive.

I don't care about this. nutella can kill Nanook if she wants for this, but it looks like an easy bullshit post by Soneji.

Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

Toss out a few townreads, blanket shade the majority of the game thread, then dip. Whoo boy.

It is likely that there was a wolf participating in the mech discussion just on the probability that one was around to post and that it was the main conversation point, but pointing this out without giving a specific person/s that come off wolfy with their approach to the discussion is just going to sow discord.

This is shit. Rej is Soneji's teammate. A bullshit reaction followed by "It is likely..." nonsense. Kill Rej.

Be back after another snifter.

Yes I drink a lot.

[Epignosis]

Nice nut shot

Had a few myself this morning.

[nutella]

The takes on Rej and dunya are decent. Not convinced on tutuu.

[Epignosis]

I think we should have at least 3 people saving nutella on any given day. The rest can be up to whatever people wanna do and leave it as a mystery for the aliens to misfire. Hunting through nk is hard at this stage if we want to preserve saves. So we can do regular hunting and I think we already have lots of good content to go through.

How do we go about selecting those 3 ppl?

Tony thinks our scummiest 4 should protect her. We coordinate that itt. I understand why, but my scummiest 4 could be the whole maf team gg y'all ;p but yeah, for a day 1 strategy it makes most sense.

I think it works only for a n1 strategy, as the scum team would have to be exactly the bottom #2-5 of the PoE for us to lose there(the very bottom #1 gets blasted by nutella).

Teammate interaction.

Hello fellow players. First forum game for me, I am a fairly new mafia player but have played on DM a few times and play the occasional voice/text game over discord. I live in GMT timezone so will probably be out of sync with a lot of you. I draft in word and paste into the forum so hopefully the formatting doesn’t go into the toilet. As editing posts is forbidden, I may repost if this turns out to be a problem.

Spoiler: show

The setup is new to me, so I will state a brief understanding of how this works below. If other people have a different view/better understanding, it would be great if people (or the mod) could let me know.

10 bunkers with 4 saves each who don’t know anything other than Nutella is the Laser.

4 aliens who have perfect information.

Odd nights – 1 alien KP.

Even nights – 2 alien KP till 2.

QUESTION – if player x saves themselves, or player y saves player x, and the town laser is shot at player x, does the laser go through the bunker save?

QUESTION – This is a day 0 start, so does laser get to shoot at the end of Day 0? Does it go to Night 0 or Night 1? This is important to work out alien KP and how many saves should be on Nutella.

QUESTION – can aliens no shoot in the night?

I feel like there is a mathematically optimal solution to this game for every night but I am not smart enough to figure it out.

My proposal for Night 0 or Night 1, depending on which it will be is set out below.

We want the minimum number of saves on Nutella but with some math behind it. These saves should be selected and made public by Nutella and all players who are nominated by Nutella to save Nutella should indeed save Nutella with no exceptions. They need to confirm receipt of the message and confirm they will save Nutella, or Nutella needs to re-nominate someone who has seen their request. This should be entirely elected by Nutella and not depend on people saying they will save Nutella – ie picking into Dunya/Epignosis without rnging them is bad.

The other players should make their saves or no saves in secret, but claim them at the start of the next day along with reasons. Town should never lie about their saves in the night and I am a firm believer of laser all liars in this setup.
If aliens have 1 night KP, I suggest 3 nominated saves and if aliens have 2 night KP, I suggest 4 nominated saves.
See some napkin math below which might be wrong, but lets see if I can still remember combinatronics.
1 Alien KP – need to ensure we land AT LEAST 1 town save, so this is basically any outcome except 3 aliens in the 3 nominations. This is 1 minus (4/14 x 3/13 x 2/12) = 1 – 24/2184 = 98.9% Laser lives through the night. I can accept a 1.1% loss in first night if the benefit is that we get to not waste additional bunker saves.
2 Alien KP – need to ensure we land AT LEAST 2 town saves. This gets a bit harder so please flame me loudly if there is an error in the math so we can try and fix it before we nominate saves (assuming I can get laser and town to buy into my plan).
With 4 nominations, there are 5 outcomes with the following distribution:

4 aliens: 4/14 x 3/13 x 2/12 x 1/11 = 24/24,024 = 0.1% (we lose first night with no saves on Nutella)

3 aliens, 1 town: 4/14 x 3/13 x 2/12 x 10/11 x 4 combos = 960/24,024 = 4 % (we lose first night with 1 saves on Nutella)

2 aliens, 2 town: 4/14 x 3/13 x 10/12 x 9/11 x 6 combos = 6,480/24,024 = 27% (we land 2 saves on
Nutella)

1 alien, 3 town: 10/14 x 9/13 x 8/12 x 4/11 x 4 combos = 11,520/24,024 = 48% (we land 3 saves on Nutella)

4 town: 10/14 x 9/13 x 8/12 x 7/11 = 5,040 /24,024 = 21% (we land 4 saves on Nutella)

I am okay with 4.1% loss in first night.

My current reads/leanings. Cant necessarily justify them all, because its not always rational or justifiable. Its just how their posts make my gut feel.

Alison – hard town. Thinks Epignosis is alien, and agree re full list of saves being anti town.

Bimbo – no posts.

Carotenoid – light alien read for the short intro. Good to know Mac would agree.

Dragomir – null to light town.

Dyslexicon – null to alien for no solve in 3 posts. “game” doesn’t count and I believe is just to appear non-coaster.

Dunya – started off towny, but then slips into hard alien with the later posts. Implied statement that Carotenoid is town “Can't wait to see your super shiny townies self! ”, and the hard tunnel onto LC at the start of day 0. Might be a meta thing I just have no idea but could also just be distancing. Then claims laser will be fine because Dunya/Epi will be using their save onto the laser. “2 people. You'll be fine. I promise. Epi and dun got ur back gurl”. This would be fine if they were both exactly town, but how does anyone else know they are both town? We don’t. “We publicly make a list of who protects who. When someone dies we know who lied” – this is also super alien. We should mix the saves into public and private so the aliens do not have perfect info on saves. Dunya in later posts moves back into town. My head hurts.

Epignosis – hard alien – it’s a vibe thing, cant explain it.

Long Con – Alien. Cant believe they called themselves a bunkerman instead of a bunker person. Consider myself triggered. Gets slightly town for thinking that having no saves left day 5 onward is bad but not that much. “We have to assume the aliens will try to kill nutella every night. We will non-randomly arrange protects to ensure, and insure, that she has multiple layers of protection each night. We will do this in a way that eliminates the possibility of unfortuitously picking all aliens to protect her.” Seems towny but to eliminate the possibility of picking all aliens, we need to use a LOT of bunker saves every even night. Also thinks aliens will be trying to kill the laser every night. I hard disagree and think aliens will leave the laser alone all game since its way easier to kill all the bunkers and win that way. On a meta read without ever having played with them, I simply don’t believe someone with 13k posts would think the aliens would be trying to kill the laser every night.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME – light town for thinking a protection scheme can/should exist. Does not want rng factors into the saves onto Nutella and prefers a set scheme TBC. The arguments with tutu re “trolling” seems town on town to me.

Nutella – LASER

Protocultures – the towniest town that ever towned in the history of townhood

Rej – thinks Dunya, Alison and Tutuu are town GTH. No idea what GTH means but I kinda like their town circle.

Soneji – null to very very light town for having looked into strategies as could have done it for either alignment.

TonyStarkPrime – Null to alien. The strategy of 4 most scummy players onto Laser is bad since if we get 3+ aliens, we insta lose. I much prefer a random 4 than we pick the 4 scummiest, especially since aliens will then try to look scummy intentionally.

Tutuu - Medium town. Wants to know if laser gets to shoot Day 0. Wants town to mass rng saves onto the laser and thinks its okay to lose a non-zero percentage on first night to increase overall town win percentage by not blowing all the bunker saves the first 4 days. I agree with this concept. Tutu thinks Dunya is light town and LongCon is town. I think its weird that Tutuu reads LongCon as town for subjectively incorrect logic, but it seems genuine.

The effort shown here, and in their many other posts, along with a solid progression on their reads puts proto as very likely town. I think the best look of all is this first post, where I would think an over eager, new to forum mafia wolf, would just think about impressing with their mechanics/math and forget to actually give proper reads but proto went above and beyond.

Horseshit.

"along with a solid progression"

There's no progression. This is one post. Soneji talks about nothing in it.

That said I consider this to be proto's favor, but I would want nutella to consider the teammate potential here. Frankly I think Soneji is kissing ass.

[Long Con]

That's why I say hey man nice shot.

Why did you pick Soneji? I thought you would go with Mac or Dizzy.

[Hally]

dizzy and mac mindmelding with me on my scum read of rej \o/

i don’t know mac but so far i don’t find him scummy tbh. also did not get what was so wrong with drago. and its weird to me that people seemed to just want to lock mac in as scum so early and throw away the key. if mac is town i would not be surprised if there was scum taking part in that and trying to bury him there. allison seems like she’s doing that. but i can also see dizzy’s take that allison/mac could be teamed and scum!allison is trying to chain dizzy to scum!mac. like i dont understand this accusation of “dizzy is bussing dragomac on D0.” that’s such a weird read to make and does feel agenda-y. but idk if it is actually just town jumping to conclusions. and i’m also coming at this from the pov of knowing dizzy well, whereas allison i assume doesn’t. so that might be a disconnect. idk tbd

[Long Con]

Some good work there Epi. I'm down with it.

[Epignosis]

(ioa information over analysis is what i was looking for)

Doesn't surprise me given him saying he is new to forum mafia.

I'll let nutella judge this since she said she wasn't convinced.

I don't have much to say about this interaction anyway.

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*take a deep breathe* it's gonna be okay
anyway

TonyStarkPrime's plan seems to be the best so far, but it's kinda risky to the not-poe-people past n1, if that makes sense. So I propose that we kinda flip it around:

- On odd nights, two top townreads (or like one top townread + 2 midlytownread that can't all be wolves together) protect nutella. And then we could do something like bottom of POE protect the people protecting nutella and all the others only self-protect if they feel the need to.

- On even nights, bottom of POE protect nutella. The rest of the players only self-protect if they feel the need to.

That way, the protection shots are used more horizontally and avoids that town ends up with no shots at the end. Also I feel like unless we specifically coordinate something specific in the thread, bunker shots should only be used on their own slot.

The odd night plan is pretty solid, but the even night is wack. You need to have confidence in there being two town protects in there on even nights. On odd nights needing just one you have more leeway to include the PoE.

This interaction gives me confidence in Carotenoid and TonyStarkPrime. If dunya is bad (and I think she is) Carotenoid is good.

I also think that nobody except Nutella should be saved, full stop. Including self saves.

How about NO! You crazy Dutch bastard!

No opinion here.

ok, misread the OP - I thought each Bunker could only protect once. Apparently they have 4 shots. Still not enough to waste them on a mass protect of every player in the game.

Misread the OP versus misread role PM:hmm

Okay.

Coming out of d0 roughly where I'm at :

Good

proto
tutuu
Dunya

Still deciding

Nanook
Long Con
Carot
Dizzy
Bimbo(don't think they posted?)

Bad

Epi
TSP
Alison
Rej
Drago/Mac


As for the strat I think is best : I'm good with the bottom four PoE strat for n1 only, otherwise think top 3 towncore should protect nutella on odd nights, top 4 towncore on even nights. Could mix in some of the middle of the pack to preserve some of the top towncores protects, best to adjust that as we go. On that first night, the middling PoE should use their protects on the towncore. On subsequent nights the bottom of the PoE should be protecting the towncore, with probably a double up on the very top of the towncore. Force aliens to shoot into bottom or middling Poe, or have to use two kills on even nights to kill one towncore and not even the best SPK they could get.

For simplicities sake, will lay out the first three nights :

N1 : Bottom four of the PoE assigned to protect nutella, while the next three lowest PoE protect the top 3 towncore.

N2 : Top three towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, while the bottom three to four in the PoE protect the top 3 towncore. If four double up on the very top towncore SPK.

N3 : Top two towncore+one middling PoE protect nutella, bottom three PoE protects top three towncore.

With this we can shuffle enough to have top towncore with protects left up until late. It's a small game, so I think people are overestimating how conservative we need to be with protects. By the end of n4, there can be up to 10 deaths if the aliens succeed on both their double kills. Then n5 being an odd night needs only one towncore with a protect left alive to secure nutella's safety.


Now onto d1.

Soneji went after Tony for calling me bad (he didn't, really), but Soneji has me and Tony both as bad. I know I'm good, so I'm clearing Tony.

[Epignosis]

The takes on Rej and dunya are decent. Not convinced on tutuu.

I'm just going to spit them out. You're the boss.

[Hally]

okay but actually allison is coming off good to me in this spat with dizzy. like idk if scum goes in this hard and her tone actually does feel like she believes she’s caught scum. the whole thing might just be t/t idk

[Long Con]

I would say Rej is the wolf out of the bottom group.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you have meta that says she specifically doesn’t go this hard as scum I can work with that

If it’s a broad scum in general don’t go this hard read that’s uh

Something I fundamentally disagree with