Space Invaders [END]

[MacDougall]

I feel emotionally uncomfortable. Do u call this cognitive dissonance?
I was adamant alice and dunya are lock town.

Sooo many ppl are saying that they are not, in fact, lock town

So i have 2 options: double down and insist im right, opposing other ppl, or consider i was wrong in my deep rooted beliefs

Tf am i supposed to do

Fuck this

Never have I seen someone struggle so much with the idea of reevaluation. Well aside from me in every game.

[protocultures]

Alright, so day 0 finished, Dragonmir got subbed out, boss music came on and MacDougal entered the game. I still have not have anyone confirm to me whether we get flips after town laser kills.
Heres where I am at in the game.

So since Dragonmir is out, I isoed their posts for background on Mac. Feels kinda null to me so I am okay giving Mac a clean slate to start the game. I feel there were some people who hard wanted to laser Dragomir – it felt kinda bandwagon to me and I feel there are better targets.

Alison – don’t know what to make of the thinking bunkers had one shot issue. Their explanation seems meh, other than this, their posts make me think they are town. Putting on my tin foil hat, instead of looking through Dyslexicons games to identify their meta, what if they are in alien chat and dyslexicon fed them the games/outcomes. Not an idea that I am strongly pushing for now, but something for postgame just in case I am right. [since i started writing, more posts have come up - I want to push this possivility much more now]

Bimbo – has zero posts. Not sure I understand why Dragonmir was subbed out instead of Bimbo. Do we not punish lurker/afk players at the syndicate? Probably not worth a laser at this point, and hopefully they get modkilled or come in with some posts later on.

Carotenoid – seems a bit null to town in posts. I give them hard town cred for finding error in my math to push off my mixed save strategy. Nutella had semi bought into the mixed save strat earlier in the day, and Caro identified it as being bad. Doesn’t have to do this as an alien at all.

Dyslexicon – literally their first 6 posts are memes which made me think they are aliens or probably good to be laser shot regardless of alignment. Trying to put it down to day 0 memes and re-evaluate on them. Rest of posts are kinda null to me. I feel like they might be intentionally trying to look not massively town and aim for the middle of the pack between town and alien to avoid getting night KP on them.

Dunya – still confuses me. I want to lean their posts kinda town BUT they townread epi and want to murdertrain Dargonmir/Macdougal which makes me deduct town points. A lot of them. Put them in the cant read and sort later if I need to pile.

Epignosis – I still want to burn them with fire. They also want to kill DragonDougal. So more petrol here please. Thinks LC is town.

LongCon – Probably still my number 2 alien. Some posts make me want to them to live a bit longer for me to re-evaluate on them potentially.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME – seems to be being universally townread. I think their later post quality has dropped significantly. Just posting to stay active. I stick them in the null category.

Rej – Don’t have much on them. No suggestions for solving, just some reads on players here and there.

Soneji – one post, lets hope they post more or get mod killed.

TonyStarkPrime – up there with my towniest of towns, but seems to also think Epi is town. If I turn out wrong on Epi, gonna have to re-evaluate everything again which would be a massive pain. Could just be a bad read on their part. Still one of my top towns.

Tutuu – also being universally townread. Am okay with that.

MacDougal – I just don’t think they joined the game if they were mafia where they are in too many games already. Don’t think we should attach massive reads from Dragonmir onto Macdougal since it was only 1 day and we should be able to independently read macdougal in future days.

i like this reads list less than the first one you gave

a few things:
1) why do you scum read epi so much? have you said and i just missed it?
2) it seems like youre just taking it for granted epi is maf and pre-flipping him? and also taking for granted that mac is town even though you don’t really read him here? i can tell you since i subbed in too that i wasn’t told what alignment i’d be before i agreed. so mac wouldnt know what his role was beforehand

other than that ig i dont have an issue with these

Why do I scum read epi so much? Its a mix of things. I dont find their posts towny/solvy, especially since they arent new to forum and have a large post count on the site. Additionally too many people are finding them towny on their posts, which also indicates they are scummy. The tricky part is that Nutella is reading Epi as high town and I havent made a final determination yet.

I dont take for granted mac is town, I wanted to give mac a clean slate and not bury him because of some scum read on Dragonmir which I couldnt even see in the first place. I dont find mac particularly towny atm and lean them into my alien bucket. Knowing that new players dont know their alignment is helpful and pushes mac more into the alien bucket.

So when I was shielding you I was town and now that you're in my POE I am mafia. Ok.

Never said you were town. My read on your is quoted below.

"MacDougal – I just don’t think they joined the game if they were mafia where they are in too many games already. Don’t think we should attach massive reads from Dragonmir onto Macdougal since it was only 1 day and we should be able to independently read macdougal in future days."

[tutuu]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

[protocultures]

I will add I feel extremely positive that Hally is town. She's like a shining beacon of town spark.

agree but only because they are saying a lot of things I was thinking at the time.

[protocultures]

Between Epignosis/Dunya/Dyslexicon there is absolutely at least one mafia and maybe literally only one.

I still like Dizzy as the bad apple. Dizzy and proto, good laser targets.

whats the accusation? Is this omgus?

[protocultures]

Hally
TonyStarkPrime
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
protocultures

Epignosis
Alison
Carotenoid
Long Con

dunya
Dyslexicon
Rej

Shoot me. Use this list as POE when I flip town.

This feels right but I don't think that all the reds are mafia. I'd be stunned if at least one of them wasn't. I loved Proto to yellow but it felt wrong so I moved him back to green. I just don't see any agenda there. To be mafia and clamp himself to soneji would be the dumbest play I've ever seen and Proto is not dumb.

Im just sad I cant cc laser operator

[MacDougall]

Hally
TonyStarkPrime
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
protocultures

Epignosis
Alison
Carotenoid
Long Con

dunya
Dyslexicon
Rej

Shoot me. Use this list as POE when I flip town.

This feels right but I don't think that all the reds are mafia. I'd be stunned if at least one of them wasn't. I loved Proto to yellow but it felt wrong so I moved him back to green. I just don't see any agenda there. To be mafia and clamp himself to soneji would be the dumbest play I've ever seen and Proto is not dumb.

Im just sad I cant cc laser operator

lol fwiw the claim/snap counterclaim stuff from video mafia isn't so much of a thing here anyway because we usually have no claiming rules, and when we do have open claiming it's usually in games where the setups are closed or full of secrets so you can just make up whatever the fuck. And even in open setups with claiming allowed generally the mod will give the mafia safe fake claims.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Tbf saying things with utmost confidence is kinda Mac’s schtick

[protocultures]

The only thing with Rej is... Is anyone not scumreading him?

I am not scumreading Rej. Not town reading them super heavily either.

I like Rej's lists except Epi, but this is a recurring trend.

[Dyslexicon]

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Oh btw, maybe you should know that Dragomir and me come from the same forum. Sometimes we read each other correct D1, even if one of us scum and the other is town.
I wouldnt be optimistic if someone else would be the lynchee. Lmao.

I was kind of waiting for your take on Drag. Do you still have a scum read on Drag/Mac?

Dyslexicon – I feel like they might be intentionally trying to look not massively town and aim for the middle of the pack between town and alien to avoid getting night KP on them.

Words hurt.
I'm literally playing straight up town. [mention]Hally[/mention] - Look what can happen here! Last game I played they even yeeted SuperTown!Scirrus. Like, when Scirrus is Scirrus and can't be anything but town. It's fun, really. =p

Also, I read that you speculate if scum has some master plan strategy from their scum chat. And not that it matters too much, but I'd advice against going too deep into those assumptions. It rarely ever happens that scum has some grand plan to execute as that often just looks awkward. /cents.

Yeah you can call me Carotte, it's my usual pseudonym!
Sure I'll iso him

[mention]tutuu[/mention] Did you know she was Carotte?

Also, hi, Carotte from champs =p

I'm fucking town

Is that an adjective or a verb?

Whatever your prefer, darling.

Also @ soneji calling me plan too wolfy to be a wolf

I gave up on arguing cuz no point, but my rng plan is still objectively the best. u guys are just still learning to crawl, when you think that you are learning how to walk, when your objective is to learn how to run, and thats why you cant comprehend that i fly.

I actually almost supported your RNG plan on the grounds that it's probably the objectively best plan. But it's also something that doesn't attract human brains. =p

that vote is wasted on my slot, rather vote Mac or your new fresh suspect Alison, also I don't feel threatened, I am still catching up

you always keep on saying "not towny" "not towny"...can you go into depth? if you are so sure you can already give me a micro/macro read or even two

I can't go in depth cause I don't really know. I just want you to play more really. Which you are, so good on you.
You also put me in your scum pile though, and I don't know why. But shrug. You're here. I love you.

@bimbo was replaced by @Hally

Praised be!
If Hally is scum we're all fucked

[MacDougall]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Tbf saying things with utmost confidence is kinda Mac’s schtick

she's talking to proto lol

[Dyslexicon]

I'll go through Soneji posts afterwards, but pretty sure he spewed Tutu and Proto as town, though they were towny already.

Alison, Mac and TSP doesn't look good from Soneji posts. I'll come back to that.

Should also probably stop commenting on everything I want to when catching up...

[MacDougall]

I think epi is town because he pushed that im scum

And im consensus townread by like evryone

So if he was scum he would maybe read the room temperature a bit better and realize scumreading me would seem silly to most other ppl?

So if u think im town, u should maybe think epi is town too

Ah the rare omguds

[tutuu]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Tbf saying things with utmost confidence is kinda Mac’s schtick

if ur talking about mcdougall no he has not spoken to me like that and he hasnt annoyed me

That was @ proto, and you as well. "If you are town you arent using your protective action tutuu" stop talking to me like that. Say "i think u shouldnt use ur protective action" or "pls dont use ur protective action"

[MacDougall]

I'll go through Soneji posts afterwards, but pretty sure he spewed Tutu and Proto as town, though they were towny already.

Alison, Mac and TSP doesn't look good from Soneji posts. I'll come back to that.

Should also probably stop commenting on everything I want to when catching up...

I figured you would keep tunneling me. How lame and annoying.

[protocultures]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Yeah, you keep falling off the town train.

Where is the TMI? Did you even read what I posted? Have you engaged with it at all?

You basically are saying Epi's reason for thinking you are scum is obviously dumb, and you want to townread them because of an obviously dumb read.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Tbf saying things with utmost confidence is kinda Mac’s schtick

she's talking to proto lol

Apparently inability to read continues to be my thing, carry on

[tutuu]

Shoot proto tommorow

[Dyslexicon]

I'll go through Soneji posts afterwards, but pretty sure he spewed Tutu and Proto as town, though they were towny already.

Alison, Mac and TSP doesn't look good from Soneji posts. I'll come back to that.

Should also probably stop commenting on everything I want to when catching up...

I figured you would keep tunneling me. How lame and annoying.

I'm not tunneling you, dude. I will give you a warning if I'm going to tunnel you. I'm not even caught up so I don't even know where my reads are fully. But Soneji had possible teammate interaction with you, TSP, Alison and also Rej actually.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Tbf saying things with utmost confidence is kinda Mac’s schtick

if ur talking about mcdougall no he has not spoken to me like that and he hasnt annoyed me

That was @ proto, and you as well. "If you are town you arent using your protective action tutuu" stop talking to me like that. Say "i think u shouldnt use ur protective action" or "pls dont use ur protective action"

I speak curtly/with brevity most of the time when I’m taking the game semi-seriously, sorry if that came across as rude, it wasn’t intended to. Was actually trying to be helpful.

[Dyslexicon]

Shoot proto tommorow

Why?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You basically are saying Epi's reason for thinking you are scum is obviously dumb, and you want to townread them because of an obviously dumb read.

And your issue with this is....?

[tutuu]

Shoot proto tommorow

Why?

He is annoying me. Maybe he could even be maf but that would just be a bonus

[MacDougall]

I'll go through Soneji posts afterwards, but pretty sure he spewed Tutu and Proto as town, though they were towny already.

Alison, Mac and TSP doesn't look good from Soneji posts. I'll come back to that.

Should also probably stop commenting on everything I want to when catching up...

I figured you would keep tunneling me. How lame and annoying.

I'm not tunneling you, dude. I will give you a warning if I'm going to tunnel you. I'm not even caught up so I don't even know where my reads are fully. But Soneji had possible teammate interaction with you, TSP, Alison and also Rej actually.

No Soneji did not because Soneji and I were not teammates and in fact that should be obvious to anyone with a functional brain

[protocultures]

Proto is a video mafia player and in video mafia bussing is far less used than it is in forums mafia. So too is the inverse true, in that when video mafia players see teammates floundering their instinct is to hard defend them.

for future reference, in a game with flips I would bus so hard, they would cast me in a Speed remake.

[MacDougall]

It's just very frustrating that after being tunneled by half the living players because of Dragomir I was actually present during EOD, specifically encouraged the shot on Soneji and have been solving my ass off more than anyone by a tremendously large volume and then Proto and Dizzy come back and resume operation read me scum for no fucking reason whatsoever.

[MacDougall]

And yes I checked postcounts. This person who subbed in halfway through day 1 into a scumread slot that is playing in two other games at the same time has posted nearly twice as much as the 2nd most person. Yes that makes me obviously fucking town.

[protocultures]

I think a POE like this is a solid starting point;

Alison
Carotenoid
Protocultures
Dunya
Rej

With Epignosis as a swing for Dunya if that's a miss. If Dyslexicon is mafia we probably never get there if Hally is town which is my most confident read and also I love Dizzy so fuck it.

I feel like all combos inside this are viable though I expect some immediate "wtf no this person can't be w with this person" type things. Don't hold back.

I hate this list as the top laser targets. There I said it.

[MacDougall]

Proto is a video mafia player and in video mafia bussing is far less used than it is in forums mafia. So too is the inverse true, in that when video mafia players see teammates floundering their instinct is to hard defend them.

for future reference, in a game with flips I would bus so hard, they would cast me in a Speed remake.

Even in games with flips bussing is non optimal. The optimal way to win as mafia in forums play with deadline voting is to lose nobody and win fast.

[MacDougall]

I think a POE like this is a solid starting point;

Alison
Carotenoid
Protocultures
Dunya
Rej

With Epignosis as a swing for Dunya if that's a miss. If Dyslexicon is mafia we probably never get there if Hally is town which is my most confident read and also I love Dizzy so fuck it.

I feel like all combos inside this are viable though I expect some immediate "wtf no this person can't be w with this person" type things. Don't hold back.

I hate this list as the top laser targets. There I said it.

Cool well I've played approximately 150 times as much forums mafia as you so that means very little to me Proto.

[protocultures]

idk if im convinced by that case. i agree that proto’s liiiiiiight townread of soneji for his first post wasnt deserved but idk that it strikes me as s/s. and dropping soneji to null after some time had passed and soneji hadnt posted again is reasonable given the town lean was very slight to begin with. the stuff right at EoD where he was like “dont shoot soneji shoot epi and if soneji is maf shoot me” is maybe negative against him because it seems almost intentionally wifomy. but it seems silly to go for that when there was really no point and it was more likely to make him look bad than anything. im not sure what he would think hed gain there

+1

[MacDougall]

I don't think Hally actually really understands Carot's point tbh. The issue isn't the light town read. It's the fact that you said you had the light townread because Soneji was offering mech solving which Soneji literally didn't do. Like, literally to the point of the actual post Soneji made being "I actually haven't played this game and can't offer mech solves". You mischaracterised a flip scum in a way that made them seem townier than they should have been being read. Your read was made up.

[MacDougall]

I'm not entirely sure it makes you mafia though. It's a pretty horrendous slip almost twtbw, but when you add that to the way you tried to push Nutella not to shoot Soneji at the end of the day it's at "if it walks, talks and quacks like a duck you fuck that duck" territory.

[Dyslexicon]

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Y'all have two hours to convince me one way or the other

I forgot that this game had 24 hour day phases lol

I see via quick scan I'm on Soneji's shit list too.

Can anybody provide any reason why I'm Alien?

Besides "vibes?"

Well, master. You're kind of just on the outside, and you don't have a lot of impact or give the game much direction, is how I feel. More an observation than a read. A lot of the times when you're town I've seen you be way more pushy and forceful with your solving. Here you're kind of just pushing with one hand. I'm about positive that you'll hate this, but this is how i feel xD

Nutella you're not gonna actually shoot people playing their first game on site on day 1 right? Can we just get that out there?

Kind of like this, don't know if I should.

Why Soneji? I like his reads and he's not even there.

^Probably town. Don't think scum goes in and defends a mate that might get shot.

At this point it should be pretty obvious I am town I think.

You probably even are.

[Dyslexicon]

He is annoying me. Maybe he could even be maf but that would just be a bonus

<3

Annoyance is the glue of a mafia game.

I think Proto is town because 1) He put himself in a position of being the judge of others, like placing himself above others and kind of a righteous way, and that is a very towny (if a bit of an annoying) attitude and 2) he was annoyed that people didn't interact with his ideas. Both of these things are towny mind frames imo. His reads have been lackluster imo and that's besides the point. Also, Soneji gave him a town read that looked way TMI more than randomly defending a teammate that already wasn't scum read.

[protocultures]

Shoot proto tommorow

ah the capitulation of having back into a logical dead end. For context, instead of replying with anything substantial, they just want to shoot me.

Nah fam im still just as town its not my fault u guys r wrongly reading the soneji spew about me

you arent less town because of anything with soneji.

you are less town for your reasoning as to why Epi is town. What was Epi's REASON for thinking you were an alien, rather than just giving them a townread for being contrarion. What did you think of their reasoning?

Im not less town for my townread on epi unless u have tmi dont talk annoying stuff like that. As if im wrong. If ur town u dont know if im right or wrong so dont say stuff with utmost confidence

Epis reason for thinking im scum is obviously dumb and wrong from my pov and i dont care about them being wrong about it tf does this have to do with anything

Yeah, you keep falling off the town train.

Where is the TMI? Did you even read what I posted? Have you engaged with it at all?

You basically are saying Epi's reason for thinking you are scum is obviously dumb, and you want to townread them because of an obviously dumb read.

[protocultures]

You basically are saying Epi's reason for thinking you are scum is obviously dumb, and you want to townread them because of an obviously dumb read.

And your issue with this is....?

there is no issue with this if tutuu think Epi is actually dumb.

I dont think tutuu thinks epi is dumb.

Thats my issue.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 106#p41744 for reference.

[protocultures]

He is annoying me. Maybe he could even be maf but that would just be a bonus

<3

Annoyance is the glue of a mafia game.

I think Proto is town because 1) He put himself in a position of being the judge of others, like placing himself above others and kind of a righteous way, and that is a very towny (if a bit of an annoying) attitude and 2) he was annoyed that people didn't interact with his ideas. Both of these things are towny mind frames imo. His reads have been lackluster imo and that's besides the point. Also, Soneji gave him a town read that looked way TMI more than randomly defending a teammate that already wasn't scum read.

I dont really get this. everyone is judging everyone else. thats the whole point of mafia.

[protocultures]

I think a POE like this is a solid starting point;

Alison
Carotenoid
Protocultures
Dunya
Rej

With Epignosis as a swing for Dunya if that's a miss. If Dyslexicon is mafia we probably never get there if Hally is town which is my most confident read and also I love Dizzy so fuck it.

I feel like all combos inside this are viable though I expect some immediate "wtf no this person can't be w with this person" type things. Don't hold back.

I hate this list as the top laser targets. There I said it.

Cool well I've played approximately 150 times as much forums mafia as you so that means very little to me Proto.

you said you expected feedback and you got it. Its also why I lean you into the alien bucket.

[Dyslexicon]

Up to page 18 or something

I veto you shooting anyone on this list aside from me and Soneji.

Oof.

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All of Proto's posts before the laser shot are just bad. Probably still town, but ooooof.

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but like does carotenoid ever do this with scum buddy Soneji? Looking for cred?

Tony. Your TMI is showing.

idk if ppl are still sussing dizzy but he is town and i will fight ppl on this if i have to

I love that you subbed into this game.
Get rekt, scum. I won't be your misyeet.

Can I call you bad for thinking Mac is remotely funny?

Can I say that I'm probably better at interaction analysis than you? This is the new and confident me, you see.

The takes on Rej and dunya are decent. Not convinced on tutuu.

Good. I agree.

That's why I say hey man nice shot.

Why did you pick Soneji? I thought you would go with Mac or Dizzy.

LC open wolfing lol

[Dyslexicon]

I dont really get this. everyone is judging everyone else. thats the whole point of mafia.

I don't have the energy to explain, sorry. It was the way you worded some stuff. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing. =p

[MacDougall]

Up to page 18 or something

I veto you shooting anyone on this list aside from me and Soneji.

Oof.

oof? wtf lol

[protocultures]

I dont really get this. everyone is judging everyone else. thats the whole point of mafia.

I don't have the energy to explain, sorry. It was the way you worded some stuff. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing. =p

game game?

[Dyslexicon]

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idk if i’m just tunneling atp but rej is seems very scummy to me. i don’t like how he deflects with “your vote is wasted, why dont you vote mac or allison.” and also the “i dont feel threatened” pings me a lot. why does he feel the need to say that? its like he’s nervous he will show that he actually is scared of dizzy. and like it seems to be tmi-ing dizzy town? dizzy being a threat to him is a mindset that makes sense if the interaction is t/s. like dizzy is the town and rej is the scum who feels threatened by dizzy’s scum read so he’s saying he’s not threatened. idk if this makes sense at all. but this reply feels like scum that is getting correctly sussed by town and doesnt know what to say

I like this point tbh.

Also mindmeld regarding Epi is towny for acting like he's Nut's knight xD
Also agree with your point about scum may be more tempted to bus/distance. (Now that we've brought it up it may be moot lol)

but like does carotenoid ever do this with scum buddy Soneji? Looking for cred?

tsp and i are mindmelding this game and tsp is obv town therefore i am also town. i’ve solved myself \o/

This i disagree with.
Tony said this

before

Soneji flipped scum. I don't like it and I think Tony is possible scum here. Disagree with all the town reads there.

Hmmmm

Was this before Soneji posted @Dyslexicon?

I think he had posted once about strategy.
You should stop trying to read me.
To be fair, I should probably stop trying to read you too.

I will add I feel extremely positive that Hally is town. She's like a shining beacon of town spark.

You have clearly never played with Hally lol

There's not one player I'm more paranoid about. You have no idea of the horrors I've seen. Sorry, Hally, but it's just the truth. BUT, that said, I mindmeld a lot with Hally here and can't find anything disagreeable with their process. So that is at least a good thing. Have no reason to think scum. They seem excited to solve. Likely town.

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oof? wtf lol

Oof.
I feel like maybe you're just town, but that doesn't make sense with my Alison/Mac fantasy. Rip us

I dont really get this. everyone is judging everyone else. thats the whole point of mafia.

I don't have the energy to explain, sorry. It was the way you worded some stuff. It's not a bad thing, it's just a thing. =p

game game?

Game!

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I push Dizzy for the laser, and I'm also fine with dunya and Rej as elims. For the record.

How about you write a long essay on why. Thanks.
Don't think you've ever read me scum unless you're scum yourself. Same with Sloonei. Such a Cindy Kate thing to do.
Off in the laser fodder pile with you and same with Dunya.

Oh you're the person who said that. Good good. Have you ever town read Dizzy and been caught out?

We don't talk about that in our family. But really, Hally knows me well and reads me extremely well. I didn't know Hally would sub into this game - If I was scum I would have to play around them being in the game. If I was scum in a game without Hally or people who know me like that, I would be flat and solvy and "make sense" and you would all town read me and I would win. It has happened before. =p

i wasn’t referencing the meta diving. i think that is probably null. but i thought how hard she went at dizzy felt like she actually believed dizzy was scum. but im waffling now because i also dislike her handling of mac and i think theres been an absence of takes on other people. idk

I don't know about this. It's a thing that scum like to go after me (off PerC) for "not making sense" or not being linear enough. It's easy to make my post look weird or "illogical", which of course isn't scummy at all, but some players seems to think that perfect logic makes a town player. I could rant for hours about that. BUT, the point I'm trying to make is that the whole Alison thing is kind of null to me. I felt she gave up the read kind of fast too. I don't know here very well, but I know she is a meticulous player, and that probably goes for both alignments. She's definitely in my PoE.

@Dyslexicon come back and solve the game with me im here now ily

ok i need to sleep its 4am and nobody is here now anyway

I'm so glad you're here. I hope you are town and I think you are town.

This is the level 0 mindset that I cant assign to Epi with their postcount. I would think its more towny if they were a new player.

Have you considered that maybe Epi just thinks about it differently than you do?
You know, there isn't really one way that is THE ONE TRUE way to play this setup. Even if you think so.

I don't really get your Epi tunnel.
Do you think scum would purposefully try to push a bad strategy on town openly? Cause I'd say that is pretty level 0 thinking from you.

for future reference, in a game with flips I would bus so hard, they would cast me in a Speed remake.

Lol. Hope you're scum and I'm town in my next game here.

It's just very frustrating that after being tunneled by half the living players because of Dragomir I was actually present during EOD, specifically encouraged the shot on Soneji and have been solving my ass off more than anyone by a tremendously large volume and then Proto and Dizzy come back and resume operation read me scum for no fucking reason whatsoever.

Gurl. Let me catch up first before the woe.

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Ok, lemme do some defence before I work through the new posts that happened overnight.

I dont think there is anything weird about giving a null to very very light town read to someone with one post who said they looked into optimal stratgies for this setup. If you are town, this seems a reasonable thing to do and if you are alien, why would you tell anyone you are looking into strat. Thats where my logic was at. It was a null to very very light town. I wouldnt read too much into it.

My second take that they are null and hoping they post more or get mod killed is also normal to me. It is entirely consistent with a null read where the person had at the time made one post.

EoD - I am not so much defending Soneji as saying there were better shots imo. I was kind of shocked they flipped alien, but whatever.

People are saying my EoD was too wifom. I was just responding to Nutellas request to give our input knowing that they were likely to shoot Soneji.

Consider this. prior to my posts going into EoD, I was almost universally townread. if I am alien and know Soneji is the likely shot with flips on, I do not make these posts. Ever.

Some of you will say "thats wifom again".

Consider this. Would I prefer to be almost universally townread in a setup where its 2KP until 2, and let Soneji die quietly OR make a deflection post and put myself in the mix for day 2 lasering because because can say "you are alien using wifom". Thats the real choice I would have to make as an alien, and thats the choice you need to decide whether I made. The alternative is that I am town, thought Soneji was not the best shot for the day, and pushed my view on the better shot.

My interaction/proposals for Epi still gained some info on the gamestate since Epi and I both are kind of okay with getting shot as long as the other gets shot next day. Strictly speaking this is not a hard difference check but rather makes it unlikely we are both aliens together. Lemme know people's thoughtson that. If you say THAT is also wifom, then basically posting anything is wifom and you have pre-determined I am an alien.

I still townread carotenoid for finding the issue with the mixed save strat. I townread them slightly independent from that based on their posts.

Hally seems pretty damn town to me.

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[mention]protocultures[/mention] You didn't get the point for the thing with Soneji, MacDougall explained it well -->

I don't think Hally actually really understands Carot's point tbh. The issue isn't the light town read. It's the fact that you said you had the light townread because Soneji was offering mech solving which Soneji literally didn't do. Like, literally to the point of the actual post Soneji made being "I actually haven't played this game and can't offer mech solves". You mischaracterised a flip scum in a way that made them seem townier than they should have been being read. Your read was made up.

The thing with your opposition with Epignosis is that it's just... Ugh. Sure, you're probably not w/w, you might be w/v OR v/v. It feels kinda villagery but also really unproductive.

QUESTION: t/t is town on town?

QUESTION: s/s is scum on scum?

QUESTION: w/w is wolf on wolf?

Yes

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Let me try and sort players. I should be at work. I love this for my life.

Town:

Carotte - I don't think scum says "Nuu, why shoot Soneji" right when Nut is considering just that. All her other posts seems towny to me.
Proto - I'm pretty sure he has a town mind frame, even though I don't agree with a lot of his points.
Hally - FINE, you can be town, just don't disappoint. Many mindmelds.

Probably town:

Mac - FINE. Your posts are actually towny. As is you being hurt by not being read town. Same whininess as I get when that happens to me lol
Tutuu - I was going to say like "Let me get back to this", because I had some tinfoil somewhere. Will probably get back to that. But town for now. Seems a little bit more down after the Soneji flip tough. Weird.
Nanook - I don't think i'll ever bring myself to scum read Nanook. Too cute. Also never seen them as scum. Can't happen. Wow this read is good. But seriously, tone is the exact same any town game I've seen them in. Wait, I do have a reason. Him insisting on certain strategy points like us not protecting anyone but Nut seems very towny.
Epi - Probably my weakest town read, but I agree that him making himself the knight of Nut is probably more towny than not.

Suspect/PoE:

Dunya - Why are you dropping off, my love? Where you trying to make Mac and me look bad in the start of the game? Are you being a scummy scumbum? *Laser stare intensifies*
Rej - Ehh. I think Rej tends to be a bit obvious in his play. And I agree that he does not look good in Soneji interaction and how he said I was not "threatening".
Alison - Didn't mention Soneji much around when the shooting happened. Very singular focus on me. I had her connected with Mac, cause that read sort of TMI to me. So it's a weird thing, cause I think if Alison or Mac flips scum, the other one has a higher chance of flipping scum. And if Mac is town, that may make Alison less likely scum? Thing is, I don't at all understand her leap to making Mac scum just because I had a scum read on Mac. Seems so random. Alison can't know this, but I hadn't even read anyone else's suspicion on Drag when I made my own, as I wasn't caught up with the game. Her method here is just so strange to me. I just conclude that I don't understand her, she's done nothing that I can say clears her, and she's in PoE.
Tony - Most post are like fiiiiine. But there really isn't huge content there. I very much disliked how he town cleared Carotte for interaction with Soneji BEFORE Soneji had even flipped. Would scum suggest to shoot another scum+one other random player? Absolutely. Not town cleared imo.
LC - Not a strong scum read, but not a town read either. Not a lot of content. Bad reads. Boo.

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*Insert tinfoil on Tutu knowing Carotte's name.

**I'll reread Soneji interaction later. Spent way too much time on this game for now anyway.

***@ me if I'm to do anything strategy wise.

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I don't think Hally actually really understands Carot's point tbh. The issue isn't the light town read. It's the fact that you said you had the light townread because Soneji was offering mech solving which Soneji literally didn't do. Like, literally to the point of the actual post Soneji made being "I actually haven't played this game and can't offer mech solves". You mischaracterised a flip scum in a way that made them seem townier than they should have been being read. Your read was made up.

Is this about Carot or Proto btw?

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It's about my case on him.