Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Sloonei]

[mention]bronana[/mention] what’s your read on ted?

[bronana]

Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.

Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.

Stop defending him. You're helping nobody.

This is a town position.

Why?

[Sloonei]

[mention]Marcher Jovian[/mention]

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?

[bronana]

@bronana what’s your read on ted?

Think he's a bit wolfy.

[tedxtr]

Well, in the context of the thread, all this talk was him prodding people into engaging him.

Or what were you referring to when saying "all this talk"

[Marcher Jovian]

@Marcher Jovian

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?

I want Lissa to answer

[bronana]

On phone rn but I can go into it more in a bit

[tedxtr]

Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk"

Ok, let's play your game. What's "all this talk" referring to

[Sloonei]

@bronana what’s your read on ted?

Think he's a bit wolfy.

Why?

[tedxtr]

you made that post at the time moth was asking people why they aren't engaging him, were you referring to his opening post or what?

[Sloonei]

On phone rn but I can go into it more in a bit

Aight

[Sloonei]

@Marcher Jovian

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?

I want Lissa to answer

What’s your read on ted?
What’s your read on bronana?

[Sloonei]

you made that post at the time moth was asking people why they aren't engaging him, were you referring to his opening post or what?

What’s your read on Master Radishes and nutella?

[tedxtr]

Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk"

Ok, let's play your game. What's "all this talk" referring to

you made that post at the time moth was asking people why they aren't engaging him, were you referring to his opening post or what?

[Long Con]

Marcher just stopped posting while you two knights raised your sword at me, fwiw.

Let the man explain himself, if you can't see the inconsistency then it isn't really my problem, if it's on me, then we'll all see it, if it's not, he's gonna start burying his own grave and it's gonna be obvious.

Stop defending him. You're helping nobody.

This is a town position.

Why?

I see a player that wants to get a real read, not a scum building a fake case.

[Marcher Jovian]

Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk"

Ok, let's play your game. What's "all this talk" referring to

This is the third time I am telling you this. "All this talk" was moth's sort of rudderlessness, nervousness, and uncertainty.

[Sloonei]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] i am not asking you to drop this suspicion, but I am asking you to at least talk a little about anything else. We’ve established your position on Jovian. What else you got?

[Marcher Jovian]

@Marcher Jovian

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts in this or would you prefer that Lissa answer first?

I want Lissa to answer

What’s your read on ted?
What’s your read on bronana?

ted: scum
bronana: town

[tedxtr]

Like the words in my post were literally just "all this talk"

Ok, let's play your game. What's "all this talk" referring to

This is the third time I am telling you this. "All this talk" was moth's sort of rudderlessness, nervousness, and uncertainty.

where's the nervousness, where's the rudderlessness, where's the uncertainty.

[Sloonei]

ted: scum
bronana: town

Why? x2

[Marcher Jovian]

ted: scum
bronana: town

Why? x2

ted started out just reading the thread, meming with a few gifs at stuff, and peacing out. Then there was a brief period where ted was doing stuff. now ted's just tunneling me for bad reasons and is ignoring anything else. no one really wants to vote out the tunneler. they'll just say "oh it's town but wrong" and if he gets his way and I flip they're more likely to look at the bandwagoners than at ted himself. It's an easy strategy that'll end up with ted spewing nothing, avoiding talking about half the game, and safely getting through probably at least the first 2 days with limited suspicion.

bronana: like the questions he's asking, they're ones I would have asked ones I wish I would have asked

[tedxtr]

yeah well i'm not posting anymore until EoD, gl

[Sloonei]

ted: scum
bronana: town

Why? x2

ted started out just reading the thread, meming with a few gifs at stuff, and peacing out. Then there was a brief period where ted was doing stuff. now ted's just tunneling me for bad reasons and is ignoring anything else. no one really wants to vote out the tunneler. they'll just say "oh it's town but wrong" and if he gets his way and I flip they're more likely to look at the bandwagoners than at ted himself. It's an easy strategy that'll end up with ted spewing nothing, avoiding talking about half the game, and safely getting through probably at least the first 2 days with limited suspicion.

bronana: like the questions he's asking, they're ones I would have asked ones I wish I would have asked

My impulse is to read ted as town in all of this, but we were mafia partners in a game recently where he committed to making strong, impassioned pushes on reads for thread credibility a couple of times in that game. So I do think this strategy is in his playbook. But I’m not certsin that's what we’re seeing here. He might also just be in a tunnel.

I don’t love that he repeatedly ignored my pleas to talk about anything else.

[Marcher Jovian]

yeah well i'm not posting anymore until EoD, gl

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

[bronana]

ted: scum
bronana: town

Why? x2

ted started out just reading the thread, meming with a few gifs at stuff, and peacing out. Then there was a brief period where ted was doing stuff. now ted's just tunneling me for bad reasons and is ignoring anything else. no one really wants to vote out the tunneler. they'll just say "oh it's town but wrong" and if he gets his way and I flip they're more likely to look at the bandwagoners than at ted himself. It's an easy strategy that'll end up with ted spewing nothing, avoiding talking about half the game, and safely getting through probably at least the first 2 days with limited suspicion.

bronana: like the questions he's asking, they're ones I would have asked ones I wish I would have asked

:y: that's similar to what I was going to say. he just spent a page tunneling you for bad reasons, didn't do anything else, and several people already townread him for it. He was doing something similar to me earlier in the game, and even pulled out this ridiculous "you are zack you're better than this" card when (a) it was laughably early for that (and not correct either ) and (b) unless this is some alt, i dont even know who this guy is, and when I asked about it and tried to engage further
I never got any response. His focus is super narrow.

Also I normally hate "talking to someone like they're a villager" reads, but he talked to moth like he knew he was a villager and tried to discredit + dismiss me with a completely over the top response when I brought it up. That's how visor once described my wolf game, deflect + discredit, and ted's play reminds me of that description.

[spoiler

all people have shown up and I have nothing but a weak scum lean

huh? you just implied moth was a villager two posts ago

this question is for the scumteam. have I been too weird and derpy? Am I your preferred mis elimination?

If I were mafia I'd make sure to discredit you at some point and then not care at all. I reckon that's what wolves would actually do fwiw, any active poster is a nuisance to deal with.

if you're gonna twist words, not sure what kind of reaction you'd really expect.

I actually doubt it was prodding. Your post had a direction already. You keep on following it.

First you twist my words and now you are looking for a push, all under the pretext that you were "prodding" my thoughts.

i'm not really sure what you're talking about tbh

but it's day zero and i'm just poking at whatever catches my attention

"oops I fucked up"

~~~~~~~

you're Zack, you don't make pushes like these ones. If you do, the way you go about it is actually villagery, whereas here it just reeks.

see you later though, if you're town, i'll find ya

do i know you?

your characterization of my play is incorrect, btw. for much of day 1 i usually just shitpost and lazily react to things for thin reasons. it's not even d1 yet, we can't even vote. I don't think I've really posted anything alignment indicative so far (for me)

if you're gonna twist words, not sure what kind of reaction you'd really expect.

I actually doubt it was prodding. Your post had a direction already. You keep on following it.

First you twist my words and now you are looking for a push, all under the pretext that you were "prodding" my thoughts.

i'm not really sure what you're talking about tbh

but it's day zero and i'm just poking at whatever catches my attention

"oops I fucked up"

~~~~~~~

you're Zack, you don't make pushes like these ones. If you do, the way you go about it is actually villagery, whereas here it just reeks.

see you later though, if you're town, i'll find ya

the last line is kind of a weird inclusion after how aggressively he'd been piling on me

][/spoiler]


I will say that I similarly had a gut dislike of carto's opener, but they seem more like lhf town to me than a wolf.

[bronana]

ah fuck, rip spoiler tags

[moth]

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

who on earth are you? like ive never heard of you and you have a pretty detailed read on me from champs lol

[moth]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

[moth]

what exactly has nutella done to erase all that scumreading

[Sloonei]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

It was deemed “boring.”

[bronana]

Sloonei, what were those "some reads" you had that you didn't want to share d0?

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Order in tiers alphabetical.

Spoiler: show

incredibly villagy, wow everyone should townread this guy immediately - bronana


villagy with no 'e' - KZA, Marcher Jovian, Sloonei, tutuu

I was about to give a short explanation on each, but it was essentially gonna be "I like their posts and tone" four times.


fine for now in italics - Lissa, outed wolf


------ null line -------


probably mislim bait but not really townreads - Carotenoid, DrWilgy


moth - moth


shrug.jpg - anyone i didn't mention in any other tier


------- null line -------


slightly suspicious shrug dot jpg - nutella


- tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime

[bronana]

meh, probably move OW to shrug.jpg actually

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, what were those "some reads" you had that you didn't want to share d0?

Moth town, nutella and outed wolf scum.
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[moth]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

It was deemed “boring.”

Her posts so far or the idea of her being scum

[Marcher Jovian]

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

who on earth are you? like ive never heard of you and you have a pretty detailed read on me from champs lol

I think all of the new-to-the-syndicate folks should introduce themselves and tell us all a little about themselves as mafia players.

I’ve been playing WW since April, this is my sixth major game. I’ve played primarily on Civfanatics Center and a bit on MU. I’ve played a single phase with visor and half a phase with Mac, though I have some general background on good chunk of people in the game from hanging out in champs spec chat. Good luck to you all ^_^

Why do people keep thinking I’m an alt? If I had a nickel for every time someone wondered if I was an alt I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[Sloonei]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

It was deemed “boring.”

Her posts so far or the idea of her being scum

Specifically the alleged “nutella/sloonei thing” was deemed boring, but I object to the idea that such a Thing exists or that one must read the two of us as a pair. I maintain that nutella is a viable suspect.

[moth]

so I just havent met you. cool. thank you for a pretty honest assessment of my champs g7. I dont feel I played great but I mostly played to make people laugh. I wanted to be charming and fun

[moth]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

It was deemed “boring.”

Her posts so far or the idea of her being scum

Specifically the alleged “nutella/sloonei thing” was deemed boring, but I object to the idea that such a Thing exists or that one must read the two of us as a pair. I maintain that nutella is a viable suspect.

It bothers me that in order for nutella to be scum you have to be part of that. It feels like bullshit you got lumped in with her absentee land lord style of play

[bronana]

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

who on earth are you? like ive never heard of you and you have a pretty detailed read on me from champs lol

I think all of the new-to-the-syndicate folks should introduce themselves and tell us all a little about themselves as mafia players.

I’ve been playing WW since April, this is my sixth major game. I’ve played primarily on Civfanatics Center and a bit on MU. I’ve played a single phase with visor and half a phase with Mac, though I have some general background on good chunk of people in the game from hanging out in champs spec chat. Good luck to you all ^_^

Why do people keep thinking I’m an alt? If I had a nickel for every time someone wondered if I was an alt I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

oh I didn't realize cfc was your homesite, I thought you were from off-site! Did you find the mafia section from OT or something?

[Sloonei]

so where did all the nutella scum talk from D0 go?

It was deemed “boring.”

Her posts so far or the idea of her being scum

Specifically the alleged “nutella/sloonei thing” was deemed boring, but I object to the idea that such a Thing exists or that one must read the two of us as a pair. I maintain that nutella is a viable suspect.

It bothers me that in order for nutella to be scum you have to be part of that. It feels like bullshit you got lumped in with her absentee land lord style of play

Thass whut im saying, man! There’s no reason for people not to be reading us independently.

[bronana]

would you say you're a good nutella reader?

[Marcher Jovian]

Spoiler: show

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

who on earth are you? like ive never heard of you and you have a pretty detailed read on me from champs lol

I think all of the new-to-the-syndicate folks should introduce themselves and tell us all a little about themselves as mafia players.

I’ve been playing WW since April, this is my sixth major game. I’ve played primarily on Civfanatics Center and a bit on MU. I’ve played a single phase with visor and half a phase with Mac, though I have some general background on good chunk of people in the game from hanging out in champs spec chat. Good luck to you all ^_^

Why do people keep thinking I’m an alt? If I had a nickel for every time someone wondered if I was an alt I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

oh I didn't realize cfc was your homesite, I thought you were from off-site! Did you find the mafia section from OT or something?

From IOT, actually!

[Marcher Jovian]

@Marcher Jovian considering most of it was like half an hour into D0 I don't think I'd even call it that much of a thing, really

I don't have that much of a takeaway from it

I don't like this response. It feels really wishy-washy "I am neutral and have no strong opinions one way or the other".

@Lissa
Out of:
town/town
nutella wolf
sloonei wolf
scum/scum

where are you leaning right now. I don't care if you want to qualify it by saying it's only by the razor-thinnest of margins. just tell me where your head's at right now.

[mention]Lissa[/mention] pls answer

[Sloonei]

would you say you're a good nutella reader?

We’ve played a ton of games together over the years and so we’re more familiar with each other’s styles than a normal player, but neither of us has a perfectly accurate record reading the other.

[bronana]

Spoiler: show

Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???

It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

who on earth are you? like ive never heard of you and you have a pretty detailed read on me from champs lol

I think all of the new-to-the-syndicate folks should introduce themselves and tell us all a little about themselves as mafia players.

I’ve been playing WW since April, this is my sixth major game. I’ve played primarily on Civfanatics Center and a bit on MU. I’ve played a single phase with visor and half a phase with Mac, though I have some general background on good chunk of people in the game from hanging out in champs spec chat. Good luck to you all ^_^

Why do people keep thinking I’m an alt? If I had a nickel for every time someone wondered if I was an alt I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

oh I didn't realize cfc was your homesite, I thought you were from off-site! Did you find the mafia section from OT or something?

From IOT, actually!

oh cool, back in the day there used to be a little more overlap between the two playerbases. I only played a couple IOT games and they were abandoned after not very long iirc. I've only played in a couple CFC games since the recent resurgence, and people on CFC probably think of me more as an MUer than a CFCer noww, but it's actually my homesite. First started playing in 2010 (technically in 2009, but not really), and even then I was still garbage for awhile .

[Master Radishes]

Just an FYI, I do intend to play this game seriously. Some day. Just...not right now. Busy drowning in work. (I didn't think the game would start so soon.)

I can do lazy GTH reads if anyone wants, but they'd be kind of worthless at this point.

[bronana]

Just an FYI, I do intend to play this game seriously. Some day. Just...not right now. Busy drowning in work. (I didn't think the game would start so soon.)

I can do lazy GTH reads if anyone wants, but they'd be kind of worthless at this point.

Lay it on me brother.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: kza] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Just an FYI, I do intend to play this game seriously. Some day. Just...not right now. Busy drowning in work. (I didn't think the game would start so soon.)

I can do lazy GTH reads if anyone wants, but they'd be kind of worthless at this point.

Lay it on me brother.

Without double checking things, just impressions:

Townie:
Moth - because he just doesn't seem to care how he comes across
tedxtr - being insightful yet a bit cautious (in a good way) in his outlook on the people he's interacted with
KZA - meta read; we've played together plenty and he sounds comfortable here
tutuu - perhaps mistaking 'fun' for 'townie' but I like them so far

Townie I guess?
bronana - mainly based on presence; not sure I've yet seen anything that makes me slot you higher than this
Nook - slanking D1 is his MO; when I scummed with him he was in the background but always nudging things in certain directions on D1, and he's not doing that here
TSP - responding to a big post with just 'bad' is vintage TSP
Mac - seems jovial enough to be town, but nothing that isn't fakeable tbh

Hmmmmm:
Nutella & Sloonei - tbh I kind of want to agree with both of them; meta-wise, neither has yet convinced me I'm seeing the town version of themselves (but I'm not calling this w/w) - needs further observation
Marcher - seems to be forcing things
Carotenoid - seems a bit hesitant, like putting a toe in the water but not fully committing yet


Not going to force anyone into a scum read.

Not going to comment on anyone else even though I've noticed them post a few times, e.g. Lissa, Turnip Head, etc. If I don't have solid meta I'm not going to hedge a read until I think about it properly.

[Sloonei]

Talk some more about kza, Señor Radish.