Space Invaders [END]

[protocultures]

Reading through Soneji again I notice he also interacts quite a bit with Nanook, but not in meaningful ways. Also gives Nanook a "good look" for something minor in his first real post, but still puts Nanook as "still undecided" in his read list.

Got through d1 read skimming most things while staving off fatigue. Mac seems to be lolcatting and is therefore in anti-spew so whatever he says should be taken with a bag of salt. The other main thing this day is Epi vs Alison, which has progressions on both sides that suggest it's not bussing, so they'd certainly make a solid pair to put onto nutella n1.

Now I sleep

^Again something that assumes Mac as scum.
I hate how much I don't like Soneji and Rej interacting with Mac, cause Mac doesn't read scummy on his own. But can I read Mac? Who can read Mac?

Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Don't think shading the mod confirmed player is one's best approach

I also don't know what to say about this.

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej [bus] at least 2 partners early in the game?

[protocultures]

Night 2 Saves – WIP (my list may be incorrect/incomplete. Please feel free to comment and we can update it)


Proto – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Tony – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dyslexicon – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dunya - saved Nutella as requested but intentionally didn’t confirm in night 1.

Nanook – holstered.

Mac – holstered.

LongCon – holstered

Carotenoid - holstered

Alison – TBC

Sabie/Tutuu – TBC

Epi – holstered

@Alison @sabie12 @Epignosis
Please can you confirm info or confirm you choose to withhold info.

updated within the quote

[sabie12]

Proto-
It was a joke I'm not assuming anyone's gender I was saying it was reminiscent of when that happened before. As with ted you don't know me or understand my humor or way of talking which is just chalked up you not being familiar with me which is fine. I'm not annoyed about it or anything. It's hard to read tone in text. I'm kind of dry and sarcastic sometimes and it can be taken the wrong way or gets misunderstood. I think that's what's happening here.

I holstered my action because It sounded like that was the plan.

I remember dizzy town reading tutuu and saying something like "don't leave me" with a heart on it.

cool, i wouldnt be offended if you assumed either of those things btw, my question about assumption was also a joke. Obviously didnt come through very well.

So you think Tutuu was sketch on an iso, but dizzy townreads them hard. Do you think thats weird? Do you think that makes Dizzy more likely to be mafia? Thats kind of where I am trying to get to.

What I mean is I see why tutuus playstyle can come off sketchy maybe but I see it more like they just post whatever they're thinking as thier opinions change. If someone is familiar with them and knows that's just how they are then it makes sense they would realize that is more of a town read. If someone never played with them I can see how it could be off putting at first.

If dizzy is familiar with tutuu then that could explain how they realized tutuu/me is/are town. Sorry poor grammar there I'm sure.

[protocultures]

assuming no towns are lying about their claimed saves, this already gives town an insane amount of info following no kills in the night.

if you are town and lying, please tell the truth now.

[protocultures]

Night 2 Saves – WIP (my list may be incorrect/incomplete. Please feel free to comment and we can update it)


Proto – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Tony – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dyslexicon – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dunya - saved Nutella as requested but intentionally didn’t confirm in night 1.

Nanook – holstered.

Mac – holstered.

LongCon – holstered

Carotenoid - holstered

Alison – TBC

Sabie/Tutuu – holstered

Epi – TBC

@Alison @Epignosis
Please can you confirm info or confirm you choose to withhold info.

updated within the quote again because I cant read and edited the wrong person.

[Dyslexicon]

I read through Carot's ISO cause I feel like I've just counted on her being town from defending Soneji right before he was pew pewed. And it didn't make me more suspicious of Carot like I wanted it to. =/

Consistent scum read on Alison that I feel is a bit weak. Started with Alison's "slip" which I had forgotten about. Otherwise I don't hate a lot of the posts. Dropping off after two scum flips is maybe not the greatest look, but could be random.

Carot was quick to suggest Rej after Soneji flipped. I felt better about Carot flipping scum before I read her ISO tbh tbh

[Dyslexicon]

My dream of Mac/Alison from D1 would be my favorite. I just have a real hard time seeing Alison as scum. Her posts just seems good. Don't know what else to say. But her actions may be questionable. Like not interacting with the possibility of shooting Soneji and being very standoffish on Rej.

[Dyslexicon]

Like remember when I was VT in Mafia! Live in Space, and tunneled Drew-Sta like crazy, and nitpicked and found something to criticize in virtually every post he made? Like that is super similar to the read I'm getting off proto right now, he thinks Epi is scum so he scrutinizes every post from the conception that Epi is scum and thinks "so why is wolf Epi posting this? Is he trying to manipulate us?" etc.

I mean, very different. I also picked Drew's posts apart and thought he was scum. And he was. So..

I'm open to being wrong on Proto, definitely. The way he comes across is good. His behavior around Soneji and Rej is less good, and that is really the only thing that makes me suspect him. He definitely plays very differently than me, so that makes him harder to read.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh.

Tony, I like you. =p

[Dyslexicon]

I'm pretty sure dizzy was like bffs with tutuu and super town read them. Nutella seems to be cool with dizzy at the moment so there's that.

Tutu is my spirit animal.
Never played with her before though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

[Dyslexicon]

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

Can you rephrase the question? I don't understand.

[sabie12]

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

Can you rephrase the question? I don't understand.

I think they were asking if you thought they bussed their partners early in the game.
I was saying I thought it was possible.

[protocultures]

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

Can you rephrase the question? I don't understand.

Sorry.

Rej and Soneji bussed eachother.

You seem to think (I might be wrong) that they were also bussing mac and that makes mac a more likely partner for Rej and Soneji.

In that case, it means both Rej and Soneji bussed 2 of their partners at a minimum.

Im asking, do you think thats likely?

I came to the opposite conclusion, especially since mac bussed them both.

I have zero idea on any of their metas btw so my conclusion is not strong and open to change.

[Dyslexicon]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

Hi, Tony. I was about to say this to you: "Hi, Tony. If you are town here, can you be better?"
I disagree with your assumption, but I can see how you would make that assumption. I know I'm town. I'm pretty damn sure Dunya is. I'm not positive, but I think both Epi and Tutu mentioned wanting to protect Nut as well (?) I don't think scum targeted Nut expecting her to die. But I do think they targeted Nut unless we got hella lucky with other protects. I just think they didn't want to narrow the PoE down more. Why not just shoot Nut? Outlast us and our protects and they win.

[protocultures]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

need Alison and Epi to confirm they holstered before coming to that conclusion. Well, just one of them since I dont see alient splitting KP into Nutella.

[Dyslexicon]

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

Can you rephrase the question? I don't understand.

Sorry.

Rej and Soneji bussed eachother.

You seem to think (I might be wrong) that they were also bussing mac and that makes mac a more likely partner for Rej and Soneji.

In that case, it means both Rej and Soneji bussed 2 of their partners at a minimum.

Im asking, do you think thats likely?

I came to the opposite conclusion, especially since mac bussed them both.

I have zero idea on any of their metas btw so my conclusion is not strong and open to change.

Yeah, I at least don't see why not. Drag was off to a really bad start. Why not bus Macomir at that point and try to get some cred for it? If Mac is scum, that is what I expect scum to do. I'd rather expect them to bus than to team up trying to force a false Mac scum read down our throat. The more I think about it, the more susp it looks for Mac. Which is sad.

[Dyslexicon]

I think I shifted my suspicion to Mac/Nanook instead. Rip me.

[mention]nutella[/mention] What do you think of Rej and Soneji interaction with Nanook, and also Mac. But especially Nanook, since I don't think that has gotten much attention.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

need Alison and Epi to confirm they holstered before coming to that conclusion. Well, just one of them since I dont see alient splitting KP into Nutella.

also i mean what did alison and epi do, exactly line up two doctors? scum would have to be waving their fists in the air right now

[Dyslexicon]

Maybe I'm over my suspicion of Proto. Maybe. Probably.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

Hi, Tony. I was about to say this to you: "Hi, Tony. If you are town here, can you be better?"
I disagree with your assumption, but I can see how you would make that assumption. I know I'm town. I'm pretty damn sure Dunya is. I'm not positive, but I think both Epi and Tutu mentioned wanting to protect Nut as well (?) I don't think scum targeted Nut expecting her to die. But I do think they targeted Nut unless we got hella lucky with other protects. I just think they didn't want to narrow the PoE down more. Why not just shoot Nut? Outlast us and our protects and they win.

Not narrowing down the PoE is an important consideration as well. But I can't see very many teams that are double blasting nutella that doesn't at least have one confirmed save on Nutella, unless it's epi/??. maybe it's epi/sabie? hmm. epi/Alison?

[protocultures]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

need Alison and Epi to confirm they holstered before coming to that conclusion. Well, just one of them since I dont see alient splitting KP into Nutella.

also i mean what did alison and epi do, exactly line up two doctors? scum would have to be waving their fists in the air right now

really need their info and then assuming no lies from town, we have a lot of great info. Wont say what it is until they claim though.

[protocultures]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

Hi, Tony. I was about to say this to you: "Hi, Tony. If you are town here, can you be better?"
I disagree with your assumption, but I can see how you would make that assumption. I know I'm town. I'm pretty damn sure Dunya is. I'm not positive, but I think both Epi and Tutu mentioned wanting to protect Nut as well (?) I don't think scum targeted Nut expecting her to die. But I do think they targeted Nut unless we got hella lucky with other protects. I just think they didn't want to narrow the PoE down more. Why not just shoot Nut? Outlast us and our protects and they win.

Not narrowing down the PoE is an important consideration as well. But I can't see very many teams that are double blasting nutella that doesn't at least have one confirmed save on Nutella, unless it's epi/??. maybe it's epi/sabie? hmm. epi/Alison?

keeping POE wide is much less important to aliens than getting rid of bunker saves imo.

The only explanation for why aliens would intentionally waste KP is they are sickos who would enjoy watching town eat itself than win faster.

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is purely mechanical. I get no reads from Dunya based on her iso. But, I cannot see a team without Dunya or Epi or mayyyyybbbbeee LC double shooting nutella.

look at that salad!

[TonyStarkPrime]

Are we clearing LC for a reason here?

[nutella]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

Hi, Tony. I was about to say this to you: "Hi, Tony. If you are town here, can you be better?"
I disagree with your assumption, but I can see how you would make that assumption. I know I'm town. I'm pretty damn sure Dunya is. I'm not positive, but I think both Epi and Tutu mentioned wanting to protect Nut as well (?) I don't think scum targeted Nut expecting her to die. But I do think they targeted Nut unless we got hella lucky with other protects. I just think they didn't want to narrow the PoE down more. Why not just shoot Nut? Outlast us and our protects and they win.

what

first of all, I told epi and tutuu not to protect me, and they did not.

occam's razor says scum is within you/dunya/proto/tony

I didn't want to think this was the case because I townread all of you but

this response feels weasely

[nutella]

Okay, I'm calling it. Aliens double shot Nutella. That probably means more than we want it to.

need Alison and Epi to confirm they holstered before coming to that conclusion. Well, just one of them since I dont see alient splitting KP into Nutella.

I believe they both already did

[Dyslexicon]

Not narrowing down the PoE is an important consideration as well. But I can't see very many teams that are double blasting nutella that doesn't at least have one confirmed save on Nutella, unless it's epi/??. maybe it's epi/sabie? hmm. epi/Alison?

I think this is just kind of wifomy, similar to all the real weird NK analysis going on here. This is the problem with trying to analyse based on what scum did: You have to make assumptions. Why scum took whatever action depends on who they are, and if you knew that it wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Scum makes decision based on a lot of unknown reasons, and I rarely see fruitful speculation from this. Maybe scum was just more comfortable with the game state having nobody die overnight. Maybe they thought it would create wifom. Maybe they even thought there was a minor chance Nut would die, and yes maybe they did have one fake protect on her. Maybe they are quite sure they won't die now cause maybe they're better hidden than Soneji and Rej. Maybe they just did what they did cause they didn't think a lot about it. Maybe they even shot elsewhere and we just got lucky. I think trying to analyse scum action just runs into problems of circular logic depending on what assumption you start with. In general, and also this time.

[nutella]

I think I shifted my suspicion to Mac/Nanook instead. Rip me.

@nutella What do you think of Rej and Soneji interaction with Nanook, and also Mac. But especially Nanook, since I don't think that has gotten much attention.

yeah not great

[nutella]

feeling unsure about my shot again

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah, it's wifom Dizzy. but this is undeniable: Scum took what appears to be a very questionable shot. Either they're bottom of poe and don't see a way of digging out or they had reason to think it would be successful.

[protocultures]

This is purely mechanical. I get no reads from Dunya based on her iso. But, I cannot see a team without Dunya or Epi or mayyyyybbbbeee LC double shooting nutella.

look at that salad!

dont you need 3 plus maybe one for true salad?

[TonyStarkPrime]

like why does Mac/Nanook double shoot nutella?

[nutella]

Are we clearing LC for a reason here?

his claim that he saved epi n1 felt legit

[nutella]

epi is clear for like 9000 reasons

[nutella]

but you may be right about dunya.

[nutella]

Not narrowing down the PoE is an important consideration as well. But I can't see very many teams that are double blasting nutella that doesn't at least have one confirmed save on Nutella, unless it's epi/??. maybe it's epi/sabie? hmm. epi/Alison?

I think this is just kind of wifomy, similar to all the real weird NK analysis going on here. This is the problem with trying to analyse based on what scum did: You have to make assumptions. Why scum took whatever action depends on who they are, and if you knew that it wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Scum makes decision based on a lot of unknown reasons, and I rarely see fruitful speculation from this. Maybe scum was just more comfortable with the game state having nobody die overnight. Maybe they thought it would create wifom. Maybe they even thought there was a minor chance Nut would die, and yes maybe they did have one fake protect on her. Maybe they are quite sure they won't die now cause maybe they're better hidden than Soneji and Rej. Maybe they just did what they did cause they didn't think a lot about it. Maybe they even shot elsewhere and we just got lucky. I think trying to analyse scum action just runs into problems of circular logic depending on what assumption you start with. In general, and also this time.

hmmmmmmmmm

[Dyslexicon]

what

first of all, I told epi and tutuu not to protect me, and they did not.

occam's razor says scum is within you/dunya/proto/tony

I didn't want to think this was the case because I townread all of you but

this response feels weasely

Why? I believe Dunya is town because of the Hally thing and also she just reads town that can't town read me because. I think Tony is town from Rej interaction. Actually, we're probably all town. I know I'm town. So I just think that occam's razor is a bunch of crap. All your what did scum do assumptions (from Dunya for example regarding the Hally kill) is useless from where I'm sitting. And I always think that. I rarely see good things come from this unless very special circumstances.

I didn't recall Epi and Tutu not protecting you. I haven't payed attention to that. I just did what you told me to. I wasn't around to read all that on N2, and I don't have an overview over who protected who.

[protocultures]

Assuming Epi and Alice confirmed holster/save onto Nutella, game should be easy and I agree with Nutella's conclusion.

Blast into the 4 nominated savers from last night. Get 1 to 2 aliens. easy game.

from my pov, dont shoot Dunya because it was probably her play of not confirming the save that made them try the shot, so go Dizzy/Tony.

From Nutellas perspective, no idea. Shoot us 4 always imo asap.

the info is too clean.

[protocultures]

Alison, not Alice. Sorry

[MacDougall]

I can't take dyslexicon seriously I'm sorry

[Long Con]

I like your new theory Tony, except for the part where I get shoehorned in. But I get it.

[Dyslexicon]

like why does Mac/Nanook double shoot nutella?

I don't know the answer to this. Why does scum do things? Maybe they didn't, even. But probably, yeah, scum shot at Nut. I know I'm not scum. I'm about sure Dunya isn't scum. Should this make me say you/Proto are the last two scum? Funnily enough, I would maybe say that 12 hours ago, but I don't think so now.

Honestly I think you're kind of insulting me/Dunya's intelligence if you just assume us scum because scum likely shot at Nut. That would be a really dumb move imo when clearly we wanted to organize it so that Nut had 100 % cover. I think scum expected Nut to be 100 % covered. Not to mention that me/Dunya is one of the lolest team I can think of right now.

So I guess scum just was fine with nobody dying. They don't need people to all die if they can outrun us. Bigger PoE might help them. But I don't have a direct answer of "here's what really happened".

[nutella]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] okay, so based on all this wifom analysis, tell my why I shouldn't throw the FPS meta back on you and say you speficically would either shoot me or holster as an alien here

[nutella]

kinda feeling like I should just trust my d1 intuition on dizzy

still getting slimy manipulative feels from him here

[Dyslexicon]

kinda feeling like I should just trust my d1 intuition on dizzy

still getting slimy manipulative feels from him here

Ok. But I won't count it as a misyeet, cause it was not an actual yeet. And please don't lose the game.

[Dyslexicon]

I can't take dyslexicon seriously I'm sorry

You will have to if I die

[protocultures]

dizzy seems to be distancing from the idea that Nutella should 100% shoot into 4 protectors always. I scumread him for it.

Im okay with dying, because we always have to die. it mechanical. There are wifom reasons why not, but only wifom ones.

[Dyslexicon]

I have no idea why, but I feel better about LC. Probably just because I'm over my omgus and I think Nut can probably read him better.

Tony does have some bad takes, but uh. Probably town.

I guess scum is among Nanook/Mac/Carot. But don't let Proto go completely probably.

Epi/Dunya most town. Make sure to leave enough protects. Remember we need two days to rid scum even if we know who they are. Use saves sparingly. At this point it's more important to have enough saves than to preserve all town. I know a dead town is lost saves, but it's also narrowing PoE.

[nutella]

why is dunya most town