Space Invaders [END]

[protocultures]

Oh. I was thinking I had a cat freeroll. Jebaited.

[dunya]

i do believe you believe them your reasons for townreading someone, even though those reasons don't click with me. like, the same reasons you give may mean something else with me. i also put a lot of weight in how someone looks with both dead aliens, how sloneji and rej treated them and how they treated the aliens. your suspicion or defences don't come across as TMI but authentic.

What did you think of Epignosis' analysis of Soneji and rej interactions? proto looks like a teammate in them; am I allowing myself to be swayed by biased conclusions by Epi?

tbh i think you're asking the wrong person because according to epi's analysis i was also "lock scum" and he painted me in a super negative light, and well, i'm not. what is clear to me is that epi was tunneling proto.

one thing that does make me pause on proto is how many times he's mentioned activity tell in a turn-around-way that could be trying to "town-clear" himself because he's a high poster. one reason i town read him is certainly activity, but when it becomes a conscious decision to "appear" townie, it loses the town-cred.

i don't think proto looks worse than alison or carot in rej interactions anyway.

[Long Con]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

[dunya]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

epi retracted his suspicion on proto tho.

[protocultures]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

Which analysis in particular.

I didn't like any of it but I have tmi because I know my own alignment.

[Alison]

Actually, Epi is probably double spewed town from Rej "protecting him".

this is a good point, I didn't realize this. I was already townreading Epi so he's just lock now.

@Alison

Need you to explain your townread on epi again. You said you had a theory re throw stuff and see what sticks. Epi said no it's based on post drunk edit sober or something like that. Why did you townread them prior to the Rej flip after they expressly said your theory was wrong.

Where did they say my theory was wrong?

But also Epi is cleared in two ways now even if you disregard the other stuff (Rej's claim to protect Epi, along with Hally dying N1)

[Alison]

I mindmeld with so many things on Dizzy's readlist and this is like the second time we've had that this game so I'm inclined to just say Dizzy town tbh

[Alison]

on the other hand I do disagree with other stuff they've written (like viewing proto negatively who I think is super lock town...)

[protocultures]

Since the conversation has moved on, I see no reason in saying my theory about Epignosis. I think he was trying to be intentionally provocative to try to squeeze some kind of reaction out of me. It would explain the rapid escalation of hostility as well as the weird hangup about me "judging" people despite doing the same thing himself. I thought it was just scummy at first, then I thought maybe it was a part of his personality, but the fact that he kept prodding and poking at me specifically eventually made me suspect that he was doing it as a reaction test of some kind. After I disengaged he moved onto wanting to shoot Mac instead of me and had a much calmer tone which makes me think I was right in suspecting this.

If this theory is correct, and I think it is, then Epi is a pretty solid townread of mine. Scum don't pull this kind of convoluted reaction test in general, and when they do they do it in order to get towncred, which was not what Epi did (since I realized what he was doing independently, without him pointing it out or otherwise trying to claim "credit" for it).

Well the fact is I'm not trying to do much of anything. I get drunk and say crazy things and let people dig their own graves and I figure things out in the morning. Write drunk, edit sober. I've been doing that for ages.

I don't suspect you either at this juncture. I'll just say that.

@alison

[Alison]

That sounds entirely congruent with my theory.

"I think he was trying to be intentionally provocative to try to squeeze some kind of reaction out of me."
"I get drunk and say crazy things and let people dig their own graves and I figure things out in the morning."

This is the same sentiment expressed with slightly different words.

[Alison]

Ok. The thing I'm trying to get at is that your tunnel on Epi is one of the weirdest I've seen in a game. It's like you hate everything Epi posts and I don't get it. That's why it seems agenda-y, because it reads like you have decided what to think on beforehand.

I'd like to point out that this is exactly how town tunnels work as well, and is in fact the reason that townies tunnel in the first place.

[Long Con]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

epi retracted his suspicion on proto tho.

Right, he did, didn't he?

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

Which analysis in particular.

I didn't like any of it but I have tmi because I know my own alignment.

I think this one: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 86#p619986

[Alison]

Like remember when I was VT in Mafia! Live in Space, and tunneled Drew-Sta like crazy, and nitpicked and found something to criticize in virtually every post he made? Like that is super similar to the read I'm getting off proto right now, he thinks Epi is scum so he scrutinizes every post from the conception that Epi is scum and thinks "so why is wolf Epi posting this? Is he trying to manipulate us?" etc.

[protocultures]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

epi retracted his suspicion on proto tho.

Right, he did, didn't he?

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

Which analysis in particular.

I didn't like any of it but I have tmi because I know my own alignment.

I think this one: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 86#p619986

Before I dissect all of it, do you agree with all of his analysis or only parts? Any parts you disagree with?

[Long Con]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

epi retracted his suspicion on proto tho.

Right, he did, didn't he?

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

Which analysis in particular.

I didn't like any of it but I have tmi because I know my own alignment.

I think this one: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 86#p619986

Before I dissect all of it, do you agree with all of his analysis or only parts? Any parts you disagree with?

I believe he found 19 instances of "Epi" in a single post of yours, but I don't really care.

I don't agree that you would protect Hally because you found her "lock town", but I do see how she would be a likely kill for you due to it.

I see him critical of you calling Alison "hard town", which takes on a different flavour when I consider our conversation a couple of hours ago.

I get very critical of you when he compares your treatment of me versus the treatment of the Soneji and rej. This was a powerful part, I thought.

Some more analysis of you and Soneji in the bottom of the second spoiler is very teammate-like.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

unsure what to make of referencing coffee since in day 0, someone made a coffee tell read. not sure if it was a meme. So hard to tell what is meme and what is meta

It’s a meme

How dare you

Sorry I hadn’t had my coffee yet

[sabie12]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Short version is her reads, specifically her Alison read, had a sketchy progression imo

[Carotenoid]

Hi there, I'm around if you wanna real time but I'm not having the energy to iso or stuff like that.

[nutella]

I did not use my protect last night.

are u sure you didn't protect epi?

I'm feeling slow, why ask this?

uh, rej? ring any bells? it was a joke. now i explained a joke and it's lame. ;p

Ok, sorry... I mean, everyone is asking everyone to reveal what they did last night, and I just got caught up and shared my non-action. I didn't get it because I'm, like, one of the only players who hadn't reveled it yet, and you didn't make the joke on any of them. I thought it was personally directed at me, wasn't sure if it was Rej-related shade. Or psychic vision, since...

Spoiler: show

I did protect Epi the first night.

lol yeah lc is town


feeling dizzy is town as well



I'm back to feeling like I'm narrowing it down pretty well again (I've actually 90% made my decision for the next shot)

[protocultures]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

[sabie12]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

Fair enough. I did read through their ISO and if I didn't read the role card and know for a fact they're town I could see how people could think they were sketchy. Tutuu seems a little all over the place in thier posting but I'm not at all familiar with how they play. I happen to agree on the suspicion of nanook. Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.
LC didn't like one of their posts and then tutuu got super defensive about it I assume because they felt misunderstood which I guess is understandable.

I thought dunya was a little more iffy than they did but I could see the suspicion on carot or mac.

Tutuu said some weird things or things in a weird way but I have a tendency to do that too and get misunderstood a lot.

Not sure what you are asking for but those are my basic thoughts in reading through my former self's ISO.

[protocultures]

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

epi retracted his suspicion on proto tho.

Right, he did, didn't he?

I feel like proto is town, but I'm also a big fan of Epi's analysis. All in all, I'm glad it's nutella's call and not mine.

Which analysis in particular.

I didn't like any of it but I have tmi because I know my own alignment.

I think this one: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 86#p619986

Before I dissect all of it, do you agree with all of his analysis or only parts? Any parts you disagree with?

I believe he found 19 instances of "Epi" in a single post of yours, but I don't really care.

I don't agree that you would protect Hally because you found her "lock town", but I do see how she would be a likely kill for you due to it.

I see him critical of you calling Alison "hard town", which takes on a different flavour when I consider our conversation a couple of hours ago.

I get very critical of you when he compares your treatment of me versus the treatment of the Soneji and rej. This was a powerful part, I thought.

Some more analysis of you and Soneji in the bottom of the second spoiler is very teammate-like.

cool lets work through this post.

Epi, I am gonna rip into this a bit. dont take it personally, its on your post, not you personally. I also need to change my reads list, once others confirm you dont know Hally at all because then you dont need to treat them like a newbie.

The wordcount analysis is completely useless.

I have explained why I wouldnt protect Hally, i did math on it, I pushed it to everyone. Me not protecting Hally is entirely consistent with what i am saying what town should do. I also said I would shoot into scummiest people as an alien since they are unlikely to have saves on them

The thing about Alison, I assume you dont read too much into me having a hard town read on Alison. If not, let me know. They also had zero analysis on this section. Just said "dont understand - blast them".



LC was my number 2 scum on day 0. In my first post of the game. When Epi quotes me, these are my reads from Night 1. There has been a whole remainder of Day0, Day 1, and part of Night 1 between those reads.

"Lon Con – happy they are posting more, but wish they would post even more than they have. Were my number 2 alien due to not participating that much/solving/contributing to help town. Don’t want them in POE as I feel that can develop a read on them if they continue to post. Is open to Epi being an alien and attempted to explain to me why Epi is being townread by the majority of the game for things I think are clear anti wincon for town. Strictly speaking NAI as well, but I want to encourage more engagement with them."

You are no longer my number 2 alien, and I dont want you in POE.

So "even when you post more, it isnt enough" - what are they talking about? I moved you up in towniness due to posting more. Your posts at the time that I made my Day 0 reads werent towny, then you posted more stuff that I liked. How is that not a normal progression?

In relation to you and Epi specifically, I knew you guys are top 2 from HoF and I hold you guys to a higher town standard. Didnt tell anyone I was doing it (except to explain why i cant behind a level 1 Epi being town), probably not fair, whatever. I did it. I still kind of do it. You can read into reasonableness of it on my end.

At the time I made my "very very light town" on Soneji, that was on day 0. At the time, I think they had 1 post. Not 9. Epi makes this huge deal about a one liner read I made on one post on day 0. Again, wtf? Colourwheel/calculator comment, I dont understand but I imagine its something they find an amusing disparaging remark and not analysis. Makes some omment about common core math, again, dont get it. Assume its some disparaging remark about it being wrong/simple. If its wrong, they havent deigned to explain it or engage in it.

Do you think Epi thinks my reads list is entirely based on postcount? I dont. Do you think my town list is dictated entirely by post count? I hope not.

They then point to the fact that I am not 100% using postcount to determine who is more towny as there are inconsistencies with your postcount, Rej and Soneji and how towny I find them. like wtf. is this for real?

i think I have explained why I thought Epi is an alien at the time of making the post. They play anti town when it should be clear that town should be playing cooperatively. You said you kind of see the scumminess in how epi is playing as well.

they then say "nutella needs to be unprotected just once and I lose. All the math I need". This isnt any engagement at all and if everyone does this, town always lose night 5. It isnt rocket science. If my math is common core math or has mistakes, lets talk about it.

The second spoiler is a huge post going into some detail breaking down a one sentence read I made on day 0, about Soneji who had made one post. "very very light town" = partners. Gotem! Come on. You thought this analysis was good? held any water? On this basis, I can break down any post from any person, spin it in whatever way I want and conclude "this is a teammate, folks". Would that be good analysis?

[protocultures]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

Fair enough. I did read through their ISO and if I didn't read the role card and know for a fact they're town I could see how people could think they were sketchy. Tutuu seems a little all over the place in thier posting but I'm not at all familiar with how they play. I happen to agree on the suspicion of nanook. Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.
LC didn't like one of their posts and then tutuu got super defensive about it I assume because they felt misunderstood which I guess is understandable.

I thought dunya was a little more iffy than they did but I could see the suspicion on carot or mac.

Tutuu said some weird things or things in a weird way but I have a tendency to do that too and get misunderstood a lot.

Not sure what you are asking for but those are my basic thoughts in reading through my former self's ISO.

That is super helpful for me - thank you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.

In what way is this similar to all my circuits?

Also...what interactions?

[protocultures]

I dont want to list my updated reads until people commit to their claimed save list from last night.

I need someone to confirm Epi doesnt know Hally from anywhere else and then I can basically ignore them for a 48 hour cycle on the basis that "I dont kill new people as alien" is true.

Pretty sure at least one alien is hard townreading me, will just say that for now.

[protocultures]

The more you are suspicious of me the more I will townread you. No sarcasm.

Why?

Also do you think Rej will claim a protect on Epi if Epi was their teammate? And if you're answer to this is going to be "wifom" then I think the convo will stop there.

I have been hard defending people I don't need to. It should look scummy to town. It's weird people townread me so strongly.

I tried to deflect a shot away from Rej.

I am hard defending Nanook, Alison, carotenoid.

If there is a person with high partner equity it's me.

Re save on to epi? Don't know. If I was in alien chat I would have suggested they don't claim a save at all.

I feel like I see half the players in any given game slamming down hard Town reads all the time, starting on Day Zero. You committing to hard Town reads that I don't understand doesn't phase me like you seemed to think it would. Maybe it's the environment here.

Me specifically or in general?

I would be suspicious of someone giving hard townreads that I don't think the person making them believes in.

In general. I just accept that everyone judges things in different ways, until something sets off alarm bells. You specifically as well, because I have never played with you before, so I don't know how you usually play, or if these townreads are unusual for you.

who specifically has set off clear alien alarm bells and why.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh. Far less certain on dizzy.

I'm caught up but seriously no one else has claimed a night 2 bunker? Even after all that talk? The game better be solveable via that.

[sabie12]

Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.

In what way is this similar to all my circuits?

Also...what interactions?

Your playstyle in general you almost had me fooled in that game but I figured it out at the end. Moreso the way they each mentioned you similar to how they mentioned/bussed each other. That's just based off of me reading ISOs and in response to protos questioning me about tutuu. It's not like a full on case with fancy quotes or anything just saying I don't disagree with their read on you. That's all.

[protocultures]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

Fair enough. I did read through their ISO and if I didn't read the role card and know for a fact they're town I could see how people could think they were sketchy. Tutuu seems a little all over the place in thier posting but I'm not at all familiar with how they play. I happen to agree on the suspicion of nanook. Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.
LC didn't like one of their posts and then tutuu got super defensive about it I assume because they felt misunderstood which I guess is understandable.

I thought dunya was a little more iffy than they did but I could see the suspicion on carot or mac.

Tutuu said some weird things or things in a weird way but I have a tendency to do that too and get misunderstood a lot.

Not sure what you are asking for but those are my basic thoughts in reading through my former self's ISO.

What do you think about the people who hard townread tutuu? Harder question because you just kinda need to read everything instead of an iso so feel free to ignore it if you havent yet.

[dunya]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh. Far less certain on dizzy.

I'm caught up but seriously no one else has claimed a night 2 bunker? Even after all that talk? The game better be solveable via that.

what?

you actually think i'm an alien?

why?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh. Far less certain on dizzy.

I'm caught up but seriously no one else has claimed a night 2 bunker? Even after all that talk? The game better be solveable via that.

what?

you actually think i'm an alien?

why?

who else would be an alien

[sabie12]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

Fair enough. I did read through their ISO and if I didn't read the role card and know for a fact they're town I could see how people could think they were sketchy. Tutuu seems a little all over the place in thier posting but I'm not at all familiar with how they play. I happen to agree on the suspicion of nanook. Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.
LC didn't like one of their posts and then tutuu got super defensive about it I assume because they felt misunderstood which I guess is understandable.

I thought dunya was a little more iffy than they did but I could see the suspicion on carot or mac.

Tutuu said some weird things or things in a weird way but I have a tendency to do that too and get misunderstood a lot.

Not sure what you are asking for but those are my basic thoughts in reading through my former self's ISO.

What do you think about the people who hard townread tutuu? Harder question because you just kinda need to read everything instead of an iso so feel free to ignore it if you havent yet.

It is impossible to read and process 40 pages worth of information. You remind me of my arch nemesis ted who would ask me a million questions and I always joked he was trying to mansplain the game to me haha.

I'm pretty sure dizzy was like bffs with tutuu and super town read them. Nutella seems to be cool with dizzy at the moment so there's that.

[dunya]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh. Far less certain on dizzy.

I'm caught up but seriously no one else has claimed a night 2 bunker? Even after all that talk? The game better be solveable via that.

what?

you actually think i'm an alien?

why?

who else would be an alien

alison, carot, dizzy, macomir?

i mean, i love mac, but he's doing jackshit in here and drago's posts still exist and they still look bad to me tbh.

it could just be alison/carot tbh.


im feeling too good about Epi, LC and proto. and tutuu (aka sabie) was lock town for me tbh.

and your mechanical solving seemed as authentic as nanook's but i can't help feel weird about you if you seriously think i'm more suspcious that those 4.

[dunya]

so many tbh lmao.

[dunya]

so you better...believe it!

[Long Con]

The more you are suspicious of me the more I will townread you. No sarcasm.

Why?

Also do you think Rej will claim a protect on Epi if Epi was their teammate? And if you're answer to this is going to be "wifom" then I think the convo will stop there.

I have been hard defending people I don't need to. It should look scummy to town. It's weird people townread me so strongly.

I tried to deflect a shot away from Rej.

I am hard defending Nanook, Alison, carotenoid.

If there is a person with high partner equity it's me.

Re save on to epi? Don't know. If I was in alien chat I would have suggested they don't claim a save at all.

I feel like I see half the players in any given game slamming down hard Town reads all the time, starting on Day Zero. You committing to hard Town reads that I don't understand doesn't phase me like you seemed to think it would. Maybe it's the environment here.

Me specifically or in general?

I would be suspicious of someone giving hard townreads that I don't think the person making them believes in.

In general. I just accept that everyone judges things in different ways, until something sets off alarm bells. You specifically as well, because I have never played with you before, so I don't know how you usually play, or if these townreads are unusual for you.

who specifically has set off clear alien alarm bells and why.

Tutuu did, which also raised some alarms about epignosis.

[protocultures]

So nanook voted me with no explanation but I guess in this set up that's normal? Eh whatevz.

From what I know about Epi he doesn't like to bus teammates and he doesn't like to kill off newbies.

What reason would the aliens have to try to kill nutella I wonder? Knowing there were 4 people at least claiming to use their protect on her. Is it possible one of the people who claimed to protect her is an alien and they knew they weren't going to be protecting her? Or perhaps someone protected themselves. Shrug. Proto says don't use your protect unless it's on nutella. If they were an alien would they say this and then not shoot at random civilians hoping they didn't use the protects?

This game is tough to come into in the middle from a few month hiatus.

The explanation is there, it’s just for tutuu not you specifically

Well at least you remember that I'm here. I don't know if anyone else does and I don't have an ISO link. Don't tell the aliens I'm here maybe they won't kill me.

I'll try to be a good tutuu 2.0 but I get the sense we're pretty different playstyle wise. What did they do that was sketchy?

Can you iso tutu and give commentary on your thoughts?

Kinda weird asking you to read the character you rolled into, but can you do it?

Should help you find town (assuming you are town) by see who agrees tutuu was sketch.

Fair enough. I did read through their ISO and if I didn't read the role card and know for a fact they're town I could see how people could think they were sketchy. Tutuu seems a little all over the place in thier posting but I'm not at all familiar with how they play. I happen to agree on the suspicion of nanook. Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.
LC didn't like one of their posts and then tutuu got super defensive about it I assume because they felt misunderstood which I guess is understandable.

I thought dunya was a little more iffy than they did but I could see the suspicion on carot or mac.

Tutuu said some weird things or things in a weird way but I have a tendency to do that too and get misunderstood a lot.

Not sure what you are asking for but those are my basic thoughts in reading through my former self's ISO.

What do you think about the people who hard townread tutuu? Harder question because you just kinda need to read everything instead of an iso so feel free to ignore it if you havent yet.

It is impossible to read and process 40 pages worth of information. You remind me of my arch nemesis ted who would ask me a million questions and I always joked he was trying to mansplain the game to me haha.

I'm pretty sure dizzy was like bffs with tutuu and super town read them. Nutella seems to be cool with dizzy at the moment so there's that.

Did you just assume my gender, and assume I assumed your gender?

apologies if my style reminds you of mansplaining though - unintentional.

Dizzy is bffs with tutuu outside the game or inside the game? What do you think about dizzy super townreading them?

[protocultures]

Night 2 Saves – WIP (my list may be incorrect/incomplete. Please feel free to comment and we can update it)


Proto – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Tony – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dyslexicon – saved Nutella as requested and confirmed during Night 1.

Dunya - saved Nutella as requested but intentionally didn’t confirm in night 1.

Nanook – holstered.

Mac – holstered.

LongCon – holstered

Carotenoid - holstered

Alison – TBC

Sabie/Tutuu – TBC

Epi – TBC

[mention]Alison[/mention] [mention]sabie12[/mention] [mention]Epignosis[/mention]
Please can you confirm info or confirm you choose to withhold info.

[protocultures]

all references to night 1 should be to night 2

[Dyslexicon]

Bunch of Rej-posts.

Spoiler: show

Drago doesnt like Spacemovies = bad

Dunya, Alison and Tutu are town GTH, nice energy.
Not excluding the possibility that a wolf is coordinating the mechtalk with others.

Tho nothing else pinged me for now. I am at work, will be properly active later on.

Dunya, Alison, Tutu probably > rand town.

My impression from TSP is not !powerwolf, but rather !powertown
why? he values PoE alot, especially his PoE and the way he sets it up he wants to have it a long term meaning in this game

Seeing it from that perspective, we should give it a try, but also assign a protect for TSP maybe. If he Powertowns then he is valuable later on. <<< and we should only do it if we believe in TSP strategy

So wait...does it make TSP our geneal and strategic leader against the aliens?

This is a bit weird and wordy, but it looks more like Rej is treating Tony as an authority when speaking about him, which suggests town for Tony.

protoculture is town GTH, I think he is Einsteining so hard, he is about to invent a machine for town that will solve the game

I don't know.

ok last post from me before I start a new Minecraft server
@TonyStarkPrime dunno if I skimmed over it, but shouldn't we assign the 4(?) bunkers only for the even nights? since the first night is an odd night we don't have to worry that much with just one protect on nutella
this is allowing people to freely pick or even assign a protect on whoever we think deserves (strategic leader, town leader, main bunker)
maybe assigning is a wrong term to use, but there imho has to be a slight coordination

okay I am out to start a new Minecraft server

More "what should we do, Tony?"
It's a little bit interesting that Rej doesn't have this reaction to Proto's mech talk.

Hey guys I am stuck on page 8 for now. And i would place my vote on Mac/Drago slot for sure now.

GTH: never seen Mac out of place like this (skimmed over him)

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Meh pages also came faster than I am able to read at work xD you guys know the shit. My PoE will arrive later than usual. If details ping me, Ill tryna quote them.

Omg you are so full of shit lol. You are basically saying "town don't need to town". Get rekt. SHoot this egg.

I feel this one sounds like desperate try to shade Epi.
My D1 reads on Epi were often on point and my gut tells me Epi is town and that Mac!alien throws a desperate shade.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone go to those lengths before. We're in uncharted waters here.

Did you find your towncore until now?
If yes tell me please.

What are you optimistic about?

Oh btw, maybe you should know that Dragomir and me come from the same forum. Sometimes we read each other correct D1, even if one of us scum and the other is town.
I wouldnt be optimistic if someone else would be the lynchee. Lmao.

I don't particularly like this for Mac. All of this kind of looks like TMI that Mac suspicion in the start was right. Especially " Sometimes we read each other correct D1, even if one of us scum and the other is town." Which isn't even about Mac, but about Drag.

Do I have all townreads on me? What the actual fuck

@MacDougall come rectify this and OMGUS me please I need a sense of normality

not mine, not yet

Kind of meaningless interaction with Nanook. Minus.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Not towny Rej. Where is my towny Rej? Not here, cause Rej is not town.

that vote is wasted on my slot, rather vote Mac or your new fresh suspect Alison, also I don't feel threatened, I am still catching up

you always keep on saying "not towny" "not towny"...can you go into depth? if you are so sure you can already give me a micro/macro read or even two

Tries to get me to vote Mac or Alison. Good look for them? Already think Mac looks kind of not good from this.

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Wouldn't be surprised to see another scum in the scum bunch.

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Do the question marks denote who your scum teammates are?

Yes, does it help your PoE?

^To witch Mac again replies "Yes". Bad interaction.

Rej looks like a Soneji teammate to me.

"This post looks awful."
"I agree with the heart of it. Here's one little thing I would change."
"Talk to me about Epi."

this is utterly biased wifom my friend, this is your interpretation of stuff, "agree with the heart of it"???? I just felt like his PoE was false
why does it make me scum? that is a big no

you look good with your tinfoily mindset and then you try to fit it a narrative, for once you are wrong here
and now help me properly to catch up so we can town(hopefully) together

Rej talks to Epi as if he's town here. He's talking up, like Epi is an authority.

Will try to post more D2, it is 23:56 here in germany.
If I still do read Mac as scum? IDK, I will have to rethink it D2 I still don't have any EoD context

Some waffle on Mac.

Hally was a widely townread player, what makes you jump to "frame kill" as opposed to "this player was killed because they were widely townread"?

Frame kill, because Hally suspected me before she said Sayonara, tho one could think it would be profitable for me to kill people that suspect me if I were scum, but nah
I am bashed by everyone anyway.

This is how they welcome back Rej

I am a Bunker and if anyone wanna know who I protected last night, it was Epi

Again, Epi spewed town.

*Lot's of interaction with Proto/Rej about protecting Epi. Looks not great on Proto's end imo.

If anyone has any objection to rej getting pew pewed speak now

I have, move me out of your PoE and I will bunker protect you

Don't know what to say about this.

The funny thing is that if Epi flips scum I will be more suspicious of Proto and not less.

I agree with proto, explain, this sounds like WIFOM, not like a tinfoil

Piggy backing on Proto, maybe slightly good for Proto actually.

How hard is it to follow a “nutella dictates saves on her, nobody else saves” plan, jfc

I have no idea what this gif to Nanook is supposed to mean. Another meaningless interaction with Nanook.

Conclusion:

+ (good look)

- Epi spewed town.
- Get the feeling as if they treat Tony as authority, so Tony more towny from that.
- Slightly plus for Alison.

- (bad look)

- Don't love the interaction with Mac. Especially the part where Rej is optimistic about reading Mac scum and says about Drag: "Sometimes we read each other correct D1, even if one of us scum and the other is town." Could be TMI.
- Especially don't like Rej having two absolutely meaningless interactions with Nanook and also putting Nanook in his scum bunch without any explanation.

? (hm)

- Hardly any interaction with Carot. Probably not good either.
- Proto interaction looks worse reading Proto's posts than Rej to Proto. I could be wrong on Proto and he might be town. Main reason I'm suspecting Proto is how he's been deflecting around both Soneji and Rej. But that could be unlucky/bad reads, I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm still feeling dunya/dizzy tbh. Far less certain on dizzy.

I'm caught up but seriously no one else has claimed a night 2 bunker? Even after all that talk? The game better be solveable via that.

what?

you actually think i'm an alien?

why?

who else would be an alien

alison, carot, dizzy, macomir?

i mean, i love mac, but he's doing jackshit in here and drago's posts still exist and they still look bad to me tbh.

it could just be alison/carot tbh.


im feeling too good about Epi, LC and proto. and tutuu (aka sabie) was lock town for me tbh.

and your mechanical solving seemed as authentic as nanook's but i can't help feel weird about you if you seriously think i'm more suspcious that those 4.

I think alison / carot is feasible as well.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not out of a no you type thing but from nanooks interactions with the confirmed aliens and prior experience with nanook on other games.

In what way is this similar to all my circuits?

Also...what interactions?

Your playstyle in general you almost had me fooled in that game but I figured it out at the end. Moreso the way they each mentioned you similar to how they mentioned/bussed each other. That's just based off of me reading ISOs and in response to protos questioning me about tutuu. It's not like a full on case with fancy quotes or anything just saying I don't disagree with their read on you. That's all.

I mean “you’re scum because of your playstyle” is kinda meh tbh but ok


Kinda unfortunate we’re scumreading each other cause you’re fun to play with!

[Dyslexicon]

Reading through Soneji again I notice he also interacts quite a bit with Nanook, but not in meaningful ways. Also gives Nanook a "good look" for something minor in his first real post, but still puts Nanook as "still undecided" in his read list.

Got through d1 read skimming most things while staving off fatigue. Mac seems to be lolcatting and is therefore in anti-spew so whatever he says should be taken with a bag of salt. The other main thing this day is Epi vs Alison, which has progressions on both sides that suggest it's not bussing, so they'd certainly make a solid pair to put onto nutella n1.

Now I sleep

^Again something that assumes Mac as scum.
I hate how much I don't like Soneji and Rej interacting with Mac, cause Mac doesn't read scummy on his own. But can I read Mac? Who can read Mac?

Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Don't think shading the mod confirmed player is one's best approach

I also don't know what to say about this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alison at least definitely claimed a holster.

I think Epi did too but not sure.

[Dyslexicon]

I'd say Mac and Nanook look the worst from interaction. Carot doesn't have anything going for them either, but less interaction towards her.

[sabie12]

Proto-
It was a joke I'm not assuming anyone's gender I was saying it was reminiscent of when that happened before. As with ted you don't know me or understand my humor or way of talking which is just chalked up you not being familiar with me which is fine. I'm not annoyed about it or anything. It's hard to read tone in text. I'm kind of dry and sarcastic sometimes and it can be taken the wrong way or gets misunderstood. I think that's what's happening here.

I holstered my action because It sounded like that was the plan.

I remember dizzy town reading tutuu and saying something like "don't leave me" with a heart on it.

[protocultures]

Reading through Soneji again I notice he also interacts quite a bit with Nanook, but not in meaningful ways. Also gives Nanook a "good look" for something minor in his first real post, but still puts Nanook as "still undecided" in his read list.

Got through d1 read skimming most things while staving off fatigue. Mac seems to be lolcatting and is therefore in anti-spew so whatever he says should be taken with a bag of salt. The other main thing this day is Epi vs Alison, which has progressions on both sides that suggest it's not bussing, so they'd certainly make a solid pair to put onto nutella n1.

Now I sleep

^Again something that assumes Mac as scum.
I hate how much I don't like Soneji and Rej interacting with Mac, cause Mac doesn't read scummy on his own. But can I read Mac? Who can read Mac?

Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Don't think shading the mod confirmed player is one's best approach

I also don't know what to say about this.

interesting to see people's takes on post flip analysis.

So you think its more likely than not that Soneji and Rej at least 2 partners early in the game?

[protocultures]

Proto-
It was a joke I'm not assuming anyone's gender I was saying it was reminiscent of when that happened before. As with ted you don't know me or understand my humor or way of talking which is just chalked up you not being familiar with me which is fine. I'm not annoyed about it or anything. It's hard to read tone in text. I'm kind of dry and sarcastic sometimes and it can be taken the wrong way or gets misunderstood. I think that's what's happening here.

I holstered my action because It sounded like that was the plan.

I remember dizzy town reading tutuu and saying something like "don't leave me" with a heart on it.

cool, i wouldnt be offended if you assumed either of those things btw, my question about assumption was also a joke. Obviously didnt come through very well.

So you think Tutuu was sketch on an iso, but dizzy townreads them hard. Do you think thats weird? Do you think that makes Dizzy more likely to be mafia? Thats kind of where I am trying to get to.