Space Invaders [END]

[protocultures]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

Awwwwww I tried to achieve harmonic resonance. You can't say I didn't try.

[dunya]

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

[dunya]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

Awwwwww I tried to achieve harmonic resonance. You can't say I didn't try.

i read you way better than i did day 1, but there are some things you think are "obvious" solutions that don't feel fool-proof to me.

[Carotenoid]

The only person that hasn't posted yet is TonyStarkPrime.

Reread SoD, all the people present were like "wut what why"

What is SoD? Something of day?

Start of day!
I voluntarily waited a bit before claiming to see how you would react and pretty much everyone was like "wut what why"
So like, do not buy any counterclaim from people that were present at SoD now lol

[protocultures]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

[Carotenoid]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

For the whole getting emotional thing of yesterday.
Also, I think he's right when he says Rej TMI'd him

Also I do not believe you're trying to emotionally manipulate us!

[dunya]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

it's not about saves now, it's about eliminating any people who aren't in the poe imo.

[protocultures]

The only person that hasn't posted yet is TonyStarkPrime.

Reread SoD, all the people present were like "wut what why"

What is SoD? Something of day?

Start of day!
I voluntarily waited a bit before claiming to see how you would react and pretty much everyone was like "wut what why"
So like, do not buy any counterclaim from people that were present at SoD now lol

Agree on that re counterclaims

[protocultures]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

For the whole getting emotional thing of yesterday.
Also, I think he's right when he says Rej TMI'd him

Also I do not believe you're trying to emotionally manipulate us!

Is it stupid I want to townread carotenoid on an emoji?

[protocultures]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

it's not about saves now, it's about eliminating any people who aren't in the poe imo.

On that basis you should suspect me loads.

[Carotenoid]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

Nah, the slot was like townread by pretty much everyone D1 with tutuu.
Did Epi save N2? I don't remember that lol Anyway, aliens don't care about that because we can't use more than 1 protect per night. So if they manage to make nutella laser 2 townies back to back they insta win because even night.

[protocultures]

There are worlds where we save. It's unlikely but not impossible.

[dunya]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

it's not about saves now, it's about eliminating any people who aren't in the poe imo.

On that basis you should suspect me loads.

exactly

but i'm being shot today, so the game is in your hands now.

[Carotenoid]

Aliens could have split into Sabie and Nutella though.

No offense but that's the dumbest thing ever Epignosis and Sabie (aside some intense tinfoil) were universal townread. They are the kills any team would make.

Didn't think Sabie was so townread. Epi also only has 1 bunker left (I think). I'm not in love with the alien shots if I were backseat gaming the alien team.

it's not about saves now, it's about eliminating any people who aren't in the poe imo.

On that basis you should suspect me loads.

proto we're non-mechanically-super-townclearing you, just take it

[Carotenoid]

There are worlds where we save. It's unlikely but not impossible.

If 2 townies are lasered back to back, we only win despite N6 if aliens do a level 5 of bad play lol

[protocultures]

Let's leave it open as a possibility

[Carotenoid]

No, because realistically it never happens

We need to pressure nutella to make a good shot

[dunya]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

For the whole getting emotional thing of yesterday.
Also, I think he's right when he says Rej TMI'd him

Also I do not believe you're trying to emotionally manipulate us!

hmmm i have to check that rej tmi thing again. it wouldn't be the first time i've suspected town mac, but i seriously think his reasons for scumreading me are a fabricated load of BS to put it politely lol

also, i appreciate that! ce fut un plaisir de jouer avec toi, carotte. bonne chance ! ^_^

[protocultures]

On the plus side if we hit an alien we should be able to close out the game

[protocultures]

Wish TSP would talk more. Can Nutella threaten to shoot him next or something?

[dunya]

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

[mention]protocultures[/mention]

[Carotenoid]

My PoE is:

why is mac lock-clear town for you?

not arguing or trying to emotionally manipulate anyone !!! just a serious question since i think you're town and you communicate better than proto does on my wavelength.

For the whole getting emotional thing of yesterday.
Also, I think he's right when he says Rej TMI'd him

Also I do not believe you're trying to emotionally manipulate us!

hmmm i have to check that rej tmi thing again. it wouldn't be the first time i've suspected town mac, but i seriously think his reasons for scumreading me are a fabricated load of BS to put it politely lol

also, i appreciate that! ce fut un plaisir de jouer avec toi, carotte. bonne chance ! ^_^

If you wanna check I'm thinking about here. This would also be super weird alien/alien interaction.

Don't you dare think you're being misfired today!

[Carotenoid]

aaaah anyone that quote posts that are kilometers long without spoilers are evil

Therefore Rej and TonyStarkPrime are aliens.

^ I want this to be real now

[protocultures]

aaaah anyone that quote posts that are kilometers long without spoilers are evil

Therefore Rej and TonyStarkPrime are aliens.

^ I want this to be real now

I'm an alien too then...

[protocultures]

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

@protocultures

It's just world building and who fits in most.

I'm not sure of anything in this game. The only time I was pretty sure I found mafia was dizzy just before their flip.

If ignore night kills, I can see Mac being wolf. Same for you. I can also see you being partners with Mac.

[dunya]

hmmm the second rej post is something he did to epi ("i listened to your music, can you move me from your poe now") so that's interesting. also i guess it's contrary for ej having put mac in his scum pile and then telling him to remove him from his poe in exchange for a bunker save. i never rule out distancing, but yeah i agree, it's like rej forgot what they wanted to do with mac and that's a little less likely if they were teammates hmph.

so maybe it is just tsp and alison.

[dunya]

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

@protocultures

It's just world building and who fits in most.

I'm not sure of anything in this game. The only time I was pretty sure I found mafia was dizzy just before their flip.

If ignore night kills, I can see Mac being wolf. Same for you. I can also see you being partners with Mac.

give me a list of people playing, from least likely to flip alien to most likely.

ignore partnerships, i'm just saying on an individual basis.

alison
carot
dunya
epignosis
mac
tony

[protocultures]

alison/proto maybe?

I wish. would love to be on a wolf team with proto someday

Tell me you would also pure rng night kills a non zero % of the time to watch town eat itself trying to figure out what the mafia team agenda is. Please please please please please.

[protocultures]

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

@protocultures

It's just world building and who fits in most.

I'm not sure of anything in this game. The only time I was pretty sure I found mafia was dizzy just before their flip.

If ignore night kills, I can see Mac being wolf. Same for you. I can also see you being partners with Mac.

give me a list of people playing, from least likely to flip alien to most likely.

ignore partnerships, i'm just saying on an individual basis.

alison
carot
dunya
epignosis
mac
tony

From a single shot today

Mac
Dunya
Tony
Carotenoid
Alison
Epignosis

This is different from my requested shots to Nutella because that was on the basis of getting info from kills.

[dunya]

madness.

you really surprise me.

[protocultures]

madness.

you really surprise me.

You have too high expectations from me. I keep telling you I'm newish to mafia and brand new to forum. Don't expect much.

Historically the aliens are always in my null zone so it probably is Alison and Carotenoid. I just can't find a way to justify that conclusion in my head unless I look at night kills and heavily weight that.

Also Dunya and Mac are unlikely to both be town screaming that the other one is an alien. This can be alien alien or alien town or town alien. Not saying screaming literally but you are ... Confident in those reads and you have 10 years of meta.

[dunya]

i hate mac's case on me and don't believe it. that causes me to think mac has an agenda. what reason would town mac lie in his meta read of me? this is why i cannot remove mac from my poe.

i also dislike how proto is disbelieving carot and giving tony a pass.

[Carotenoid]

Spoiler: show

why are you sure one of dunya or mac is wolf, proto?

@protocultures

It's just world building and who fits in most.

I'm not sure of anything in this game. The only time I was pretty sure I found mafia was dizzy just before their flip.

If ignore night kills, I can see Mac being wolf. Same for you. I can also see you being partners with Mac.

give me a list of people playing, from least likely to flip alien to most likely.

ignore partnerships, i'm just saying on an individual basis.

alison
carot
dunya
epignosis
mac
tony

From a single shot today

Mac
Dunya
Tony
Carotenoid
Alison
Epignosis

This is different from my requested shots to Nutella because that was on the basis of getting info from kills.

i hate mac's case on me and don't believe it. that causes me to think mac has an agenda. what reason would town mac lie in his meta read of me? this is why i cannot remove mac from my poe.

i also dislike how proto is disbelieving carot and giving tony a pass.

I agree his SoD case on you was bad, but I'm not sure he does that as a wolf? He was like "I'm alive so dunya is the bad one"??? I kinda expect the aliens to be pushing stronger cases if they are

[Epignosis]

also i totally respect mac and appreciate he was able to realize when he was wrong and make a heartfelt apology. let's not slight someone for a mistake made in the heat of the moment.

It's cool. I've slept. Mac was gracious on a separate occasion when I was ugly to him in the past, so there's no reason I shouldn't extend the same courtesy to him.

[dunya]

also i totally respect mac and appreciate he was able to realize when he was wrong and make a heartfelt apology. let's not slight someone for a mistake made in the heat of the moment.

It's cool. I've slept. Mac was gracious on a separate occasion when I was ugly to him in the past, so there's no reason I shouldn't extend the same courtesy to him.

this is why i <3 u

[dunya]

I agree his SoD case on you was bad, but I'm not sure he does that as a wolf?

why not? he knows i'm in nutella's poe since day 1 and leaves me until end game to make a push on me. strategically, he chose the best time.

i just want him to come in here and tell me that he sincerely believes in the meta shit he wrote about me and show me when. it's not hard, i believe i've only rolled scum in 4 games on here and one of them is image mafia where i was killed by the SK and all we could post was images so that doesn't count.

[Alison]

Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.

Actually I'm pretty sure this spews you scum

If your story holds water you would have no reason to believe that mafia shot Epi and you saved him. Mafia could have shot someone else (eg. proto, who was also universally townread - moreso than sabie I think actually), and found that person to be protected. And don't give me the "oh, but everyone else claimed that they holstered/protected nutella" thing, because many people haven't given a clear answer on what they did last night yet. TSP hasn't even posted since SoD - there is literally no way for town Carot to be certain that the shot went on Epi and she saved him.

I think you shot Sabie and intentionally put your second shot into nutella knowing it would get blocked, thus causing there to be only one kill. That way you could claim you protected Epi (an obvious kill for scum) the day after, therefore fake-clearing yourself in a situation where you're under a heavy amount of suspicion.

[protocultures]

Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.

Actually I'm pretty sure this spews you scum

If your story holds water you would have no reason to believe that mafia shot Epi and you saved him. Mafia could have shot someone else (eg. proto, who was also universally townread - moreso than sabie I think actually), and found that person to be protected. And don't give me the "oh, but everyone else claimed that they holstered/protected nutella" thing, because many people haven't given a clear answer on what they did last night yet. TSP hasn't even posted since SoD - there is literally no way for town Carot to be certain that the shot went on Epi and she saved him.

I think you shot Sabie and intentionally put your second shot into nutella knowing it would get blocked, thus causing there to be only one kill. That way you could claim you protected Epi (an obvious kill for scum) the day after, therefore fake-clearing yourself in a situation where you're under a heavy amount of suspicion.

This is more where my head was at when I first read it. See comment "like claim a save"

[Carotenoid]

If I'm an alien I don't need this, I'm not under a "heavy amount of suspicion".

[Alison]

so proto is spewed clear from the interaction with Carot, not that that's surprising, and I also think dunya looks clear from this. It's hard to believe that a dunya/Carot wolf team just decided to have a townread and hug each other in thread when nutella has stated intent to shoot dunya. It looks more to me like Carot is just townreading dunya because she knows dunya will flip town and wants to look good after dunya gets shot. That leaves TSP and Mac in the PoE as Carot's partner.

[Alison]

If I'm an alien I don't need this, I'm not under a "heavy amount of suspicion".

1) This is a pure lie. You were in nutella's PoE for a very long time, and was her "lockest alien" (her words) during Day 3. Nothing she's said or done during Night 3 or Day 4 has indicated that she plans to move you out of that. Indeed, on Day 5 (today) she stated that she thinks the wolf team is either dunya and you or dunya and Tony. By all indications you're still firmly within nutella's PoE, which is pressure this close to the endgame. If the team is you-Tony, for instance, going into Night 4 you have no choice but to try to clear one of you because it's very unlikely for either of you to survive to the endgame and then win it without being lasered at some point.

2) It still doesn't explain your sudden and inexplicable leap to "I was the one who saved Epi from dying and should be town cleared based off it" - for you to know that you saved Epi would require knowledge that you can't possibly have as a townie.

[Carotenoid]

1) I'm in her PoE since the very beginning, and yet I'm still alive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nutella jumped on dunya at SoD, not me So nah, I don't feel in danger.

2) That's just because there's no other realistic explanation, so I feel very comforting assuming my save worked.

[dunya]

i believe carot wholeheartedly. there is not carot/tony partnership that makes carot feel the necessity to town clear herself or me. the fact is, she didn't have to do anything and nutella would shoot me, i flip town, then mac, mac flips town.

alison is an alien.

[Alison]

1) I'm in her PoE since the very beginning, and yet I'm still alive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nutella jumped on dunya at SoD, not me So nah, I don't feel in danger.

2) That's just because there's no other realistic explanation, so I feel very comforting assuming my save worked.

blast this off the face of the earth please

"no other realistic explanation" my ass. mafia could easily have shot proto/sabie and someone protected proto (who is an obvious target). That is a very realistic possibility of a kill aiming to doc dodge. proto/sabie/epi were tied up protecting nutella, which leaves dunya/me/mac/TSP open for protects. Both dunya and me claimed very late, and to the best of my knowledge Mac and TSP have not claimed at all. If you were town, you had absolutely no way to cross out that possibility, but you did without even considering that it was a possibility - because it doesn't fit the narrative you were trying to craft.

[Alison]

i believe carot wholeheartedly. there is not carot/tony partnership that makes carot feel the necessity to town clear herself or me. the fact is, she didn't have to do anything and nutella would shoot me, i flip town, then mac, mac flips town.

alison is an alien.

Please sit down and think about it from the point of view of a hypothetical Carot/Tony scum team. Carot, there, has no reason to believe that nutella will shoot Mac, because nutella has repeatedly expressed that she believes Mac to be town strongly for reasons pertaining to the Hally kill. If nutella shoots you, scum Carot has no way of knowing that nutella will turn on Mac next. If nutella continues to believe in the meta read on Mac, she could easily turn her gun on the PoE {Alison, Tony, Carot}, and then all I have to do is prove that I'm townier than either Tony or Carot and scum loses the game. In a world where Carot was town and submitted her protection on Epi, she has no reason to believe that scum shot Epi as opposed to someone else who also got protected

[Carotenoid]

proto is town read, but less widely than Epignosis and tutuu/sabie were.
I 100% believe that Epignosis was always the night kill.
TonyStarkPrime is the only one that didn't claim, but it doesn't change much at this point.

[dunya]

Also, I'm telling you I saved Epignosis. Unless you have reasonable reasons to believe I'm making this up (talk to me if it's the case), you should believe it and 100% clear Epignosis for good and clear me too.

Actually I'm pretty sure this spews you scum

If your story holds water you would have no reason to believe that mafia shot Epi and you saved him. Mafia could have shot someone else (eg. proto, who was also universally townread - moreso than sabie I think actually), and found that person to be protected. And don't give me the "oh, but everyone else claimed that they holstered/protected nutella" thing, because many people haven't given a clear answer on what they did last night yet. TSP hasn't even posted since SoD - there is literally no way for town Carot to be certain that the shot went on Epi and she saved him.

I think you shot Sabie and intentionally put your second shot into nutella knowing it would get blocked, thus causing there to be only one kill. That way you could claim you protected Epi (an obvious kill for scum) the day after, therefore fake-clearing yourself in a situation where you're under a heavy amount of suspicion.

why doesnt carot kill between proto and epi rather than sabie, and claim to have saved the other?

no offence to sabie, but she was a low poster and not as impulsive as proto and epi.

[Carotenoid]

I'm never w/w with TonyStarkPrime lol

[dunya]

because nutella has repeatedly expressed that she believes Mac to be town strongly for reasons pertaining to the Hally kill

i don't think that's even accurate. she said she doesn't think mac would do it, but it's not concrete.

your mind-twin assumed that if i'm shot and flip town, nutella would shoot mac next who she town reads now but would scum read if i am town. [mention]protocultures[/mention], correct?

and then all I have to do is prove that I'm townier than either Tony or Carot and scum loses the game.

how does Alison do that?

[Alison]

proto is town read, but less widely than Epignosis and tutuu/sabie were.
I 100% believe that Epignosis was always the night kill.
TonyStarkPrime is the only one that didn't claim, but it doesn't change much at this point.

At the time you made the claim of protecting Epi, nobody had claimed yet. You, as town, have no way of knowing who the mafia shot. There is no such thing as a 100% confimed mafia kill when there are a bunch of doctors running around, many with several protects left. Any wolf here would be dumb not to consider the possibility that Epi would be protected and go for a kill like proto + sabie - both of whom have lower protect equity than Epi while still being townread by most people. They also aren't realistically going to get shot by nutella in the near future, so they're good kills for the aliens to make. You didn't consider any possible kill other than Epi/sabie, because you walked into this day phase knowing for a fact you were going to push that as the kill made last night in order to fake clear yourself.