Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

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Poll ended at Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:18 pm

bronana
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MacDougall
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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threads just die on day 4?
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 1]

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Gonna walk through Marcher's posts about Carot to show why I think it's w/w.
Marcher Jovian wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:32 pm
tedxtr wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:06 pm Nevermind, apparently Marcher had an issue with my interpretation of Carote’s opening?

I don’t see what the problem is there. “Hey guys, how many civillians have posted?” seems like about a pretty wolfy post, for an opener.

@Marcher Jovian Why do you like that particular post??
It feels like the kind of weird mindset post that comes from >rand town. Like mafia already know everyone's alignment. They know exactly who's posted and what their alignments are. It feels like the sort of random thoughts that town sometimes has that are hard to think of when you're mafia.

tl;dr lack of tmi
Only mention of a read on Carot's alignment before EOD that I could find. Think it's grasping at straws to townread what I (and Ted, and Soneji) thought was a wolfy opener from Carot. There was also a post or two with some softball questions towards Carot.

Fast-forward to EOD.
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
Starts calmly enough.

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bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.
well, duh.

i mean why are they town?
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:47 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.
well, duh.

i mean why are they town?
Because I caught them thinking of and asking the exact same questions I wanted to ask at the same time. Like it’s no lock but it’s matching mindsets and puts her above like 80% of tne game.

Something that Marcher never pointed out before now. Strangely omits the long-winded reasoning they gave earlier for Carot "lacking TMI".

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bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:48 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:47 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.
well, duh.

i mean why are they town?
Because I caught them thinking of and asking the exact same questions I wanted to ask at the same time. Like it’s no lock but it’s matching mindsets and puts her above like 80% of tne game.
do you have specifi examples on hand if you dont mind?

thier questions have looked pretty empty and directionless to me

Never answered. I asked because it's such generic reasoning, and it seemed strange because Carot's questions were not the kind of thing I'd expect someone to mindmeld with.

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Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:49 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:47 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:43 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm
bronana wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:38 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:37 pm Don’t want a carote banish today. If people want to do something silly don’t do it there.
why not
Because carotte is one of my stronger townreads rn and I’ve been burned enough for not speaking up for my town.
well, duh.

i mean why are they town?
Because I caught them thinking of and asking the exact same questions I wanted to ask at the same time. Like it’s no lock but it’s matching mindsets and puts her above like 80% of tne game.
It’s halfway a gut read but my gut’s been right before and I don’t want to ignore it this time.

Here's problemo numero uno with the theory that Marcher's defense of Carot was white-knighting a villager. When wolves white-knight villagers, they usually have no problem going into the details of the reasoning and why -- it's the whole point, using perfect information to give an in-depth read on something and look like you're solving the game and helping town. But Marcher never does this with Carot. The reasoning is always hollow with nothing backing it up. They also barely interact with Carot at all. It's a weird way to go about defending a villager. Contrast with how intricate Marcher's townread on moth was, no trouble at all waxing poetic about it.

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Marcher Jovian wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:39 pm #weirdreads: moth is town because if moth was scum all this talk would be in scumchat rather than in the main thread
Marcher Jovian wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:03 am Marcher, I supposed you were kind of memeing, but I suspect there's some relative conviction behind your moth read.

Why did you think wolf moth would complain about not being paid attention to by other people, in the wolf chat ???
It's not exactly the talk, it's more the tone behind it. Like when I saw moth play as scum in g7 of champs, he had this like air of ?bravado around him. Like scum!moth was very "look at me, I'm a crazy and aggressive player who makes nonsense pushes sometimes! I'm gonna tunnel your towncore! I am moth, hear me roar! *flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap* Show no weakness, only aggression!

Moth here just doesn't really feel like that? Like maybe moth really is scum and I'm just being fooled cuz scum!moth is feeling low-energy, but moth is like openly showing weakness and feeling bleh in thread and being bummed and confused. Like if this was the same moth I saw in champs I would have kinda expected like a tunnel or an aggressive attack there. It's a d1 read, it's not exactly a locked in, but it's good enough for now.

Alright, so then Master Radishes gets banished, just barely beating out the Carot wagon, flips town. Enter Marcher Jovian:

Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:30 pm YOU GUYS ALMOST SHOT CAROTTE YOU FUCKERS
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:31 pm wtf was that case even
“If Carotte isn’t a wolf, wolves would be voting her”
Marcher Jovian wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:31 pm bloody nonsense

Where is this sudden rage coming from? A wolf goes completely ballistic like that after a strong villager with a strong PR gets banished in v/v wagons??

I think Carot is a wolf, and Marcher was genuinely frustrated at how close their wolfbro came to banishment, then channeled that frustration into an over-the-top spectacle in the thread. It's a known wolf tactic, take your own genuine emotion at whatever frustrated you in the game, then channel it for some emotionally charged posts to try and look passionate about the game or whatever (I've done it before). Look at how relatively calm Marcher was defending Carot earlier (anxious about going too hard defending a wolf that might be about to flip?), the sudden ramping up in emotion is just bizarre if they're merely white-knighting a lhf villa. :shrug: The emotion came from somewhere, it's not so simple as running the anger.exe program.

Not to mention, Carot's read and progression on Jovian is not a great look, and like I brought up earlier the townread on me makes a lot of sense in the world where Carot is a wolf. Carot, independently of any Marcher association, had a wolfy d1, a spark of good posting d2, then faded back afterwards.

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bronana wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:36 pm
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Carotenoid wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:43 pm bronana
I don’t know how to word it properly but overall I feel like he has been really… Reasonable? Like well-grounded? I especially liked their post saying « Feels impossible to get a good grasp on the game when there are still like five one-posters after 65 hours of game .» I just don’t like the push on me at EoD because I just fail to see the logic, but at the same time if he knew Master Radishes and I are both town it would have been a really discutable push. Hmm so yeah, I dislike the push, but I acknowledge that it seems to be coming from a non-TMI place.
This was a weird read on me.

I had been pushing her and her top townread. She "failed to see the logic" in the former and obviously disagreed with the push on Marcher, so townreading me for being "reasonable" and "well-grounded" is just ... bizarre.
that read is weird, yeah

the quoted post is a pretty weak reason to put a lot of weight on for townreading someone and the summary doesn't match the description of the actual thoughts given
Still don't understand why they townread each other so strongly, either.

Also haven't checked but I feel like Carot spent d2 pushing villagers.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 1]

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Marcher Jovian wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:34 am
KZA wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:12 am
Marcher Jovian wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:38 pm [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine
That Nanook vote weirded me out
You don't accept his reasoning? I find Tony's overall vibe scummy to this point but I don't take issue with him prodding someone that was barely noticeable. You'll notice that Nanook showed up too, and his posts didn't exactly impress me. Since you like asking questions I'll ask you one; any thoughts on Nanook himself?

Oh and I think you asked me about Moth earlier but I got distracted; he is still town.
It’s because Tony was happy to suspect people and cast shade on them, but wasn’t willing to actually back it up with a vote. Like from reputation I know sloonei and nutella are fairly experienced players, so it’d probably be hard to get either banished d1. Nanook is a really easy, random, low-commitment vote. Who’s gonna defend someone with low thread presence that hasn’t really gotten “serious” about solving yet? Like in a vacuum I don’t think someone voting Nanook is necessarily scummie, but it doesn’t really fit with the mindset Tony’s shown so far.
Like Tony: “This might be a wolf tactic because most people just leave these sort of mutual tunnels alone d1. be cautious of this”
Also Tony: leaves mutual tunnel alone, makes an easy, low-commitment vote
Why isn’t he pushing at the tunnel? It just makes me go ???

Re: Nanook is probably just lazy civilian getting pushed for a miselim.
Also look at this verbose defense of Nanook as an additional footnote.
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That is a good w/w case against Carote. I was just thinking "maybe Jovian is just buddying a villager" when I got to your argument against that, which made sense. I could handle a vote on Carote based on this, but hasn't Carote been widely townread? I'd want to compare reasons. Jovian's reaction to Carote's near-lynch was similar in tone to his YEET SLOONEI last-ditch something.
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Am I gonna lose more stats if nanook is lynched? Ffs leave me alone. I'm poor and shrieking.
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LC is tone-bad to me. Id ISO him but I'm really busy atm.
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bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:16 pm Here's problemo numero uno with the theory that Marcher's defense of Carot was white-knighting a villager. When wolves white-knight villagers, they usually have no problem going into the details of the reasoning and why -- it's the whole point, using perfect information to give an in-depth read on something and look like you're solving the game and helping town. But Marcher never does this with Carot. The reasoning is always hollow with nothing backing it up. They also barely interact with Carot at all. It's a weird way to go about defending a villager. Contrast with how intricate Marcher's townread on moth was, no trouble at all waxing poetic about it.

I think I disagree with this point, seems like a wolf with tmi on someone could have a harder time specifically identifying reasoning. Though maybe you're right that they'd want to demonstrate reasoning so it doesn't look like a tmi read? Idk. I could be wrong but my instinct is kind of the opposite of yours, that whiteknighting is more likely to appear hollow/without reasons backing it up.
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Bronana is doing the gods work. I am in safe hands.
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Long Con wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:54 pm There was this:
Long Con wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:17 pm Very nice. Radishes may never slank again.
Long Con wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:17 pm Very nice. Radishes may never slank again.
You know what? I'm a little stoned and I was posting that as if Radishes was scum. Boo to the result.
.. and I'm not sure if this counts as one or not:
Long Con wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:52 pm
The Accusers: moth, Soneji

The Dissidents: KZA, Carotenoid, Master Radishes

The Essence Sloonei, nutella, Long Con

The Fate: Marcher Jovian, Turnip Head, tedxtr

The Nightwings: Lissa, outed wolf, bronana

The Pyrehearts: MacDougall, motobot, TonyStarkPrime

The Tempers: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, dunya, tutuu
Just thought this would be good to post. I see some players that probably have no night actions. :srsnod:
nutella wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:54 pm are you mixing up games again? :haha:
Forgetting what game you’re posting in doesn’t count lol

That doesn’t seem like much of a derp to read off of, sorry 🤷‍♀️
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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bronana wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:40 am based on the wilgy games nutella linked earlier, i would lean wolf

town: search.php?keywords=&t=1892&author=DrWi ... sf=msgonly

mafia: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

The town game he was more direct, less frills, got right to solving and had no issues getting into the thread, got nk'd n3.
Since this is a good opportunity to address meta. I'd advise against using my activity as alignment indicator. However busy I am depends on the day to day. Even in the town game where I was nk'd n3, I was pretty absent for the entirety of day 2, and day 3 with only a single post.

So we can get to better know each other bronana, a general review of myself from my own perspective.

People have a tendency to scum read me, or at least default me as a good lynch candidate due to my general obscurity. This obscurity is often formed from my outward chaotic nature, while internally I have a very lawful nature in regards to viewing or preforming lines of play. Often I refrain from using emotional bias when playing, but as of late that seems to be waning (unsure if external stresses are impacting this, or if I've become generally unhappy with my methodology for playing and am unsure how to improve upon it.) I have a tendency

Even in the game that I was nk'd n3 recently I was tied for a lynch d1 against Sloonei resulting in a no lynch. D2, the momentum drifted away from both Sloonei and I entirely, resulting in the conclusion that one of us had to be bad. I have no clue as to why the d1 lynch was on me for that game either.
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nanook, the idea is that it's a mindset slip, if he was on the informed faction in this game he'd be less likely to make that mistake
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nutella wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:34 pm nanook, the idea is that it's a mindset slip, if he was on the informed faction in this game he'd be less likely to make that mistake
I understand what a mindset slip is nutella
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DrWilgy wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:34 pm
bronana wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:40 am based on the wilgy games nutella linked earlier, i would lean wolf

town: search.php?keywords=&t=1892&author=DrWi ... sf=msgonly

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The town game he was more direct, less frills, got right to solving and had no issues getting into the thread, got nk'd n3.
Since this is a good opportunity to address meta. I'd advise against using my activity as alignment indicator. However busy I am depends on the day to day. Even in the town game where I was nk'd n3, I was pretty absent for the entirety of day 2, and day 3 with only a single post.

So we can get to better know each other bronana, a general review of myself from my own perspective.

People have a tendency to scum read me, or at least default me as a good lynch candidate due to my general obscurity. This obscurity is often formed from my outward chaotic nature, while internally I have a very lawful nature in regards to viewing or preforming lines of play. Often I refrain from using emotional bias when playing, but as of late that seems to be waning (unsure if external stresses are impacting this, or if I've become generally unhappy with my methodology for playing and am unsure how to improve upon it.)

Even in the game that I was nk'd n3 recently I was tied for a lynch d1 against Sloonei resulting in a no lynch. D2, the momentum drifted away from both Sloonei and I entirely, resulting in the conclusion that one of us had to be bad. I have no clue as to why the d1 lynch was on me for that game either.
Oof, I had cut off a line of thought by skipping ahead.

Allow me to continue:
I have a tendency to only be able to read well players that I interact directly with. Most of my reads where I'm an external observer feel half baked. I also believe that I am not eloquent enough to really push hard reads that I do have.

Now, take this as you will.
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Forgetting what game you’re posting in is NAI almost all the time. Including this one.

The other one is like...could be genuine, it’s also incredibly incredibly easy to fake, so. Even LC himself admitted he could fake it if he wanted to. 🤷‍♀️
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I guess the other piece of the puzzle I'm missing is why Carot was also strongly townreading Jovian in return early on. It was such a mutual thing which is why I thought they must have been softing masons, which is kind of a point in favor of them being w/w. Either that or she was just so fully pocketed. The slight doubt she started to express on d2(?) is not a great look though imo, could easily be a reaction to the tide of the thread turning more against Jovian. Like when it became evident that they were going to flip sooner rather than later, she didn't want to be so firmly on the wrong side of history?

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] did you ever explain your reasoning for having such a strong townread on jovian early on?
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Also, I did move my vote to MAC.

I'm going through the past 500 or so posts still, and here's where my brain is at:

Likely Jovian teammates:
TSP
CAROT
SLoonei
MAC

BUT, I am also trying to pull my head out of my ass re Sloonei. While I do read Sloonei as scum in their interactions with Jovian, Mac's behavior at EoD does also appear to be Jovian aligned. One thing that seems true is that the Jovian + Mac combo is not the same team as the Jovian + Sloonei combo. I'd be willing to explore this on the basis if I'm wrong about Sloonei. Another thing, I'm not sure if W sloonei is as malicious as I'm currently reading their actions. Comparing how I expect W Sloonei to the Agenda Sloonei I'm reading now, it doesn't really make sense.
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Mac makes less sense than Wilgy. Wilgy at least makes game state sense.
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:52 pm Mac makes less sense than Wilgy. Wilgy at least makes game state sense.
I feel like wilgy looks town today, but I’m not sure that’s enough to remove him from my pool of suspects.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:52 pm Mac makes less sense than Wilgy. Wilgy at least makes game state sense.
I feel like wilgy looks town today, but I’m not sure that’s enough to remove him from my pool of suspects.
i’m almost there on removing wilgy from my suspects, actually

kinda locked in on mac + carot + tsp as wolves rn

leaves long con or motobot as the missing piece i think
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:52 pm Mac makes less sense than Wilgy. Wilgy at least makes game state sense.
I feel like wilgy looks town today, but I’m not sure that’s enough to remove him from my pool of suspects.
i’m almost there on removing wilgy from my suspects, actually

kinda locked in on mac + carot + tsp as wolves rn

leaves long con or motobot as the missing piece i think
Why is moth off the table for you?
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Sloonei wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:43 pm Busy doing 4th of july weekend stuff and haven't thoroughly read the past 500 posts or so.

Looking at the votes, it's funny to see exactly the three I expected on me following last EoD doing exactly that.

Sloonei, re: It feels as though you are leaving out some critical details regarding said timing that has you so concerned. While you are scummy, my vote was on Jovian and not moving after his bs vote on me and that was explicitly left out. The progression you detail as below skips this and moves directly onto me suspecting you.
"At 5:10 PM Eastern time, Marcher casts a vote for Wilgy.
Neither wilgy nor Marcher are very active for a while as more people plop votes down on them for a couple hours. Then at 7:26, Mac introduces the Sloonei tinfoil.
Also at 7:26, Marcher reappears to discredit the most recent point Sloonei has raised against them. Marcher had not posted for 2 hours prior to this. They returned to shade the player called Sloonei at the exact moment that Macdougall also started doing the same.
At 7:27, Doctor Wilgy also turns against Sloonei."

This gives an a lack of context and the way you present this feels manipulative of the data.

Now following my Jovian vote, you just seemed the most likely to be his teammate and when that "clicked" more things about this game made sense.

@cayvie my annoyance and rage have subsided. Would like to review TSP, Carot and [VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine when I can, but that likely wont be until after Holiday.

Also re Dunya as I think someone had asked about her. See her interactions with me, they make me read her as a cautious civ. I don't see the angle where she pushes me as an "enigma" if she's scum with little to no pressure, meaning it's more likely a cautionary attitude... Which makes sense towards me I guess.

Will try to be back tomorrow.
I don’t care about your vote for this theory. The idea is that if you and Marcher are teammates, one of you was going to be eliminated no matter what yesterday. Having a vote on Marcher is a foregone conclusion. The conversation shifted abruptly to me, and it is clear and obvious that Marcher was complicit in that agenda. You were also part of it. My question is whether or not your involvement was coordinated. I would ask the same question of mac.
This would imply that I'm coordinated in the first place.

Jokes aside, do you have another side of this review regarding the coordination that MAC would be involved in? 'Macdougall initiates things by targeting Sloonei, but that does not necessarily need to be part of the coordination' or was it 'Mac's came first but was probably the least vocal.' And don't get me wrong here, I'm trying my best to voice 'What if you don't have an agenda.' as I read through this, but the post seems abnormally adverse to me. Adding 'I would ask the same question of Mac.' just seems like a means to invalidate the my theory of you putting me in your cross-hairs.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:03 pm
bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:52 pm Mac makes less sense than Wilgy. Wilgy at least makes game state sense.
I feel like wilgy looks town today, but I’m not sure that’s enough to remove him from my pool of suspects.
i’m almost there on removing wilgy from my suspects, actually

kinda locked in on mac + carot + tsp as wolves rn

leaves long con or motobot as the missing piece i think
Why is moth off the table for you?
gone out of his way to antagonize people for no real reason. think he’d be more tactful as a wolf.

not ruling him out entirely, just not really seeing it atm
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm i notice TH is more agitated with the game than i've seen them in any other game tbh. it could potentially mean they rolled scum...and are not enjoying it the same way they usually play free and loose and without reserve, i dunno. im projecting.
projecting?

weird
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 3]

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cayvie wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:02 pm Wilgy on KZA
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DrWilgy wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:34 pm
KZA wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:32 pm KZA I think you’re town and I think you’re right on Jovian, but thread’s not having it because apparently I misrepped him or something

Who else?
Gonna ISO Bronana and let you know

Interested in seeing what Wilgy concludes about me
I conclude that ISO ing you was a good starting point but none of your takes have any weight behind them.

I'm going down the Jovian, Moth, Tutu and TSP holes now.
expresses a scumread
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KZA wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:47 pm Actually I'll go turnip, cause some havoc

Woop swag
I'm starting to scumread you.
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DrWilgy wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:21 pm Sloonei is town.

I have a bad gut read on Nutella.

I have tinfoil on Moth being bad.

KZA is bad.
TSP is bad.
Nanook is lazy.
then whooa, this post, wait a minute
DrWilgy wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:52 pm Was looking over wilgy's posts for other reasons. Found this.
DrWilgy wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:29 pm Voted TSP. Still don't think I'm seeing his civ game.

Could vote KZA, Jovian, Moth or OW as well at this point.

Swingin TSP feels right as it's KZA's birthday, don't wanna vote the same direction as Bronana and OW on Jovian, my Moth read is more shaky than the others and I'm doubting my OW read.
That's salad.
"I find these players suspect or relatively unimpressive" is not player salad. Out of all these players, I think KZA was the only one I hadn't expressed prior discomfort with.
Further, the logic behind potentially voting follows right after. Your claim is bad.

Inform me why I was wrong for having these people in my POE.
wilgy clearly had expressed prior discomfort with kza. interesting.
Thank you for reminding me I voiced this discomfort.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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DrWilgy wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:43 pm Busy doing 4th of july weekend stuff and haven't thoroughly read the past 500 posts or so.

Looking at the votes, it's funny to see exactly the three I expected on me following last EoD doing exactly that.

Sloonei, re: It feels as though you are leaving out some critical details regarding said timing that has you so concerned. While you are scummy, my vote was on Jovian and not moving after his bs vote on me and that was explicitly left out. The progression you detail as below skips this and moves directly onto me suspecting you.
"At 5:10 PM Eastern time, Marcher casts a vote for Wilgy.
Neither wilgy nor Marcher are very active for a while as more people plop votes down on them for a couple hours. Then at 7:26, Mac introduces the Sloonei tinfoil.
Also at 7:26, Marcher reappears to discredit the most recent point Sloonei has raised against them. Marcher had not posted for 2 hours prior to this. They returned to shade the player called Sloonei at the exact moment that Macdougall also started doing the same.
At 7:27, Doctor Wilgy also turns against Sloonei."

This gives an a lack of context and the way you present this feels manipulative of the data.

Now following my Jovian vote, you just seemed the most likely to be his teammate and when that "clicked" more things about this game made sense.

@cayvie my annoyance and rage have subsided. Would like to review TSP, Carot and [VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine when I can, but that likely wont be until after Holiday.

Also re Dunya as I think someone had asked about her. See her interactions with me, they make me read her as a cautious civ. I don't see the angle where she pushes me as an "enigma" if she's scum with little to no pressure, meaning it's more likely a cautionary attitude... Which makes sense towards me I guess.

Will try to be back tomorrow.
I don’t care about your vote for this theory. The idea is that if you and Marcher are teammates, one of you was going to be eliminated no matter what yesterday. Having a vote on Marcher is a foregone conclusion. The conversation shifted abruptly to me, and it is clear and obvious that Marcher was complicit in that agenda. You were also part of it. My question is whether or not your involvement was coordinated. I would ask the same question of mac.
This would imply that I'm coordinated in the first place.

Jokes aside, do you have another side of this review regarding the coordination that MAC would be involved in? 'Macdougall initiates things by targeting Sloonei, but that does not necessarily need to be part of the coordination' or was it 'Mac's came first but was probably the least vocal.' And don't get me wrong here, I'm trying my best to voice 'What if you don't have an agenda.' as I read through this, but the post seems abnormally adverse to me. Adding 'I would ask the same question of Mac.' just seems like a means to invalidate the my theory of you putting me in your cross-hairs.
Mac could fit into a team with both you and Marcher or just with Marcher, I don’t really know. I haven’t looked into him, and that was not the angle I was exploring in the original post. I wanted to look at you specifically because you were the counterwagon to Marcher yesterday. I had previously asked “What if they’re both town?” When Marcher flipped mafia, that question became “What if they’re both mafia?” I was not directly interested in Mac’s involvement when I was making that post: my focus was on you.
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I blindly believe this claim because it makes me look like I’m good at the game
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
So what was the deal with Marcher at the end of yesterday?
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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Sloonei wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:55 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm
dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town XD
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are you claiming....3p?
Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher
Snap judgment: I believe this post.
why did you stay on th?
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
So what was the deal with Marcher at the end of yesterday?
It is what it is Sloo
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:55 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm
dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town XD
:noble:

are you claiming....3p?
Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher
Snap judgment: I believe this post.
why did you stay on th?
Sloonei is bad at Mafia move on.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:44 am
outed wolf wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:37 am who are the wolves and villas tsp
villas from the player list:
me
mac
moto(?)
LC
Moth
Carotte
Lissa
Leaning towards putting Sloonei here
And then TH too but I don't remember why
soft town on brononananaaa

wolves: presumably everyone else
Then votes TH without mentioning it or why or anything.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:55 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm
dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town XD
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are you claiming....3p?
Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher
Snap judgment: I believe this post.
why did you stay on th?
I didn’t stay on the wagon, I jumped there at the last second. I hadn’t been on TH at any point prior. I made another snap judgment and changed my mind about believing that post. Carot said something which put doubt in my mind, for whatever that’s worth. I’m not saying this to absolve myself of blame. I cast that vote all on my own. I didn’t love either of the options (Turnip & wilgy) at the time. This was the phase when I was trying to get people to talk about outed wolf.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
So what was the deal with Marcher at the end of yesterday?
It is what it is Sloo
That’s not an answer.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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Long Con wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 pm I'm gonna vote for Turnip Head right now. Just a gut feel. [VOTE: My old friend] aubergine
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm
dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town XD
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are you claiming....3p?
Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher
But Radishes was a doctor. What's so headscratchy about that?
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pm Pushing inactivity Wilgy right after yeeting inactivity Ra
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm Pushing inactivity Wilgy right after yeeting inactivity Radishes is not the greatest.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm Is there a non-doctor in the house?
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm I have no reason to oppose a wilgy vote, but I just want to comment that the lack of traction on outed wolf is confusing. If we have a consensus suspect, it’s him, and yet there seems to be a collective resistance to talking about him over the last hour.
I'd vote for him. This TH vote is feeling a little stale and wrong at this point.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:05 pm Staying at this point, I don't want the Wilgy lynch.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:06 pm Of course, my vote is worth less than one, so this very close lynch could go either way.
how is this a villager lol
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 2]

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bronana wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:24 pm
Long Con wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 pm I'm gonna vote for Turnip Head right now. Just a gut feel. [VOTE: My old friend] aubergine
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm
dunya wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:48 pm It's gonna be funny because my role was extremely similiar to Radishes'. So I probably won't be townread even after I flip town XD
:noble:

are you claiming....3p?
Nope I'm town but my role is 90% same as Master Radishes' role so it's gonna be a headscratcher
But Radishes was a doctor. What's so headscratchy about that?
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pm Pushing inactivity Wilgy right after yeeting inactivity Ra
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm Pushing inactivity Wilgy right after yeeting inactivity Radishes is not the greatest.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm Is there a non-doctor in the house?
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm I have no reason to oppose a wilgy vote, but I just want to comment that the lack of traction on outed wolf is confusing. If we have a consensus suspect, it’s him, and yet there seems to be a collective resistance to talking about him over the last hour.
I'd vote for him. This TH vote is feeling a little stale and wrong at this point.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:05 pm Staying at this point, I don't want the Wilgy lynch.
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:06 pm Of course, my vote is worth less than one, so this very close lynch could go either way.
how is this a villager lol
i've been saying this for days
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
So what was the deal with Marcher at the end of yesterday?
It is what it is Sloo
That’s not an answer.
I came into the thread and saw the votestate and the game felt off so I blew it up half meme half seeing if anything interesting would fall out. I didn't expect to actually create a cfd but if I did I wouldn't have cared. I mean I hardly even tried to tbh. It just feels like that cuz Marcher went ape shit when he saw me do it.

Also I've just been trying to prevent myself getting nked here mainly. I figure some people must have cottoned on given the cover I've been getting.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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Anyway Sloo is our daddy now so let's just sheep him.
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MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:28 pm Also I've just been trying to prevent myself getting nked here mainly. I figure some people must have cottoned on given the cover I've been getting.
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did you soft at some point? who are you suggesting covered you?
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:08 pm Okay fuckers I am an alignment cop. I didn't get enough glory to use my role until night 3. On night 3 I got a green on Sloonei.
So what was the deal with Marcher at the end of yesterday?
It is what it is Sloo
That’s not an answer.
I came into the thread and saw the votestate and the game felt off so I blew it up half meme half seeing if anything interesting would fall out. I didn't expect to actually create a cfd but if I did I wouldn't have cared. I mean I hardly even tried to tbh. It just feels like that cuz Marcher went ape shit when he saw me do it.

Also I've just been trying to prevent myself getting nked here mainly. I figure some people must have cottoned on given the cover I've been getting.
uh, what
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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tony has a pretty similar tone/feel to me to this game in the games sloonei linked
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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nutella wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:28 pm Also I've just been trying to prevent myself getting nked here mainly. I figure some people must have cottoned on given the cover I've been getting.
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did you soft at some point? who are you suggesting covered you?
You not been following this one much have you.

I haven't softed outright but I've been playing in a cop like way (No making reads, covering NK potential) and Nook and Sloonei at times both seemed to just townlock me. I figured they had sensed it in me.

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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:41 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:28 pm Also I've just been trying to prevent myself getting nked here mainly. I figure some people must have cottoned on given the cover I've been getting.
:confused:


did you soft at some point? who are you suggesting covered you?
You not been following this one much have you.

I haven't softed outright but I've been playing in a cop like way (No making reads, covering NK potential) and Nook and Sloonei at times both seemed to just townlock me. I figured they had sensed it in me.

Mafia. Who are they?
I had not, I just don’t view activity as an alignment indicator for you, and thought the RNG thing was chaotic good mac.
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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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I didn’t know cop but yeh I figured you were either mafia or something useful and didn’t want to deal with it for a couple days in case you were something useful

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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:53 pm marcher votes are so lazy, I say as I have posted two things of substance in this game thus far
[mention]Carotenoid[/mention] this post isn't calling marcher bad, it's a defense of them

i am pretty sure?

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Re: Pyre Mafia [Day 4]

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i'm unimpressed at the argument that they are not partners overall
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I do not have any reason to call Tony a town read.
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