Space Invaders [END]

[Carotenoid]

if it's MacDougall-Alison I swear I'm gonna lose my mind lol
if it's proto-Alison too

actually I think I already lost it

I still think I saved Epignosis since no one else claimed.

[Epignosis]

can we please look at Mac?

I tried.

conclusion was?

epi

just drop this line please

nutella just say something so I can reevaluate copypasta you

I'm never shooting any of epi, mac, or proto today

[protocultures]

i'm
AAAAAAAAAAAAH
is it proto or is it mac
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
orfjierjnferojfiwjfwe

wait, what? You are off alison now or just trying to find a partner for Alison?

Also you are gonna have to convince us why you clear mac. Did you also never sus Dunya to the same extent?

Do you also not sus Epi?

[Carotenoid]

i'm
AAAAAAAAAAAAH
is it proto or is it mac
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
orfjierjnferojfiwjfwe

wait, what? You are off alison now or just trying to find a partner for Alison?

Also you are gonna have to convince us why you clear mac. Did you also never sus Dunya to the same extent?

Do you also not sus Epi?

Trying to find a partner for Alison

I'm considering, tbh I don't know anymore ><
Yeah, I trusted dunya for the same reason day 5

yeah

[MacDougall]

I think it's Proto and Alison

[protocultures]

So I looked through TSP plan in more detail and think its really good. I still cant prove its the best solution, but looks pretty damn good.

Basically you need to actually actually actually follow the plan. I cannot stress this enough. Flip an actual coin. You NEVER save someone else other than yourself or Nutella. You dont know who is an actual bunker. The only way to ensure a save goes on a bunker or Nutella is you only save yourself or Nutella. Using a bunker save on someone you think is a bunker but is actually an alien is a disaster. Do not be fancy and holster. This is probaby the most crucial night as to our win % until the end of the game either way.

Your saves must be impossible for aliens to discern and we need a distribution of saves on ourselves and Nutella. We do not NEED 2 saves on Nutella since we might not GET 2KP on Nutella. Aliens can get auto without killing Nutella. This is another key point I want to stress.

We need a bit of luck in all future night phases anyway to win, assuming we hit alien day 7. If we dont hit alien day 7, it doesnt matter we always lose.

We do instantly lose around half the time due to what happens tonight. You just need to accept that.

If you do not do this and bias the saves to Nutella, we almost always lose anyway. You accept risk now to maximise chances of winning later. Its like hitting 16 vs dealer 10. Yeah it sucks, but it sucks worse to not hit.

I realise some of you cant trust me. Dont blame you. Trust TSP. They flipped town. They told you to stick to the plan.

this plan is also as fps proof as I can make it. please don't try anything except Proto I guess I trust Proto.

Proto can confirm this works I hope because I hope it works

Some of you may run out of saves at some point. Do not announce it. Do not announce saves remaining. Do not announce who you saved. Its all wifom to Nutella. They just have to make the best shot they can every day phase. Its really bad if aliens can work out who has how many saves left and who has none left.

[Alison]

Just woke up. Confirming that I've seen nutella's order to use TSP's plan and will do the coinflip thing.

Catching up after I've had something to eat.

[Alison]

I'm caught up. I read the posts over dinner and am typing my response post at the computer so I don't have the quotes handy, but:

- proto, you should realize that the Carot notes stuff and the laser beam gifs are NAI. I don't know why you're townreading her based off it when there's plenty of solid evidence that she's scum.

- Epi, you should be re-evaluating your read on me. We do not have many mislynches left (in fact, I think we don't have any mislynches left), so stop your death tunnel on me and re-evaluate. Carot was defending Mac all day because of a couple of interactions he had with Rej on Day 1, which makes no sense since an entire game has occurred between then and now, and those interactions are easily fakeable. Realize that when there are this little townies left, wolves are going to try to defend and fake-clear each other to get nutella to shoot wrongly, because they know that they win if that happens.

I think the team is most likely Carot/Mac with a small chance (5%~, maybe?) of Carot/Proto and I was pocketed by Proto so the wolf team can play both sides. I think Occam's Razor says Carot/Mac is just the answer and it's as simple as that. Epi is clear (even if you ignore the nutella protection because TSP protected nutella, he still has a meta clear from the Hally kill and Rej spewed him town by claiming a protect on him), so the only possibility left is Proto/Mac which is possible in theory but I'll eat my hat if that's the team in reality.

[Epignosis]

I'm caught up. I read the posts over dinner and am typing my response post at the computer so I don't have the quotes handy, but:

- proto, you should realize that the Carot notes stuff and the laser beam gifs are NAI. I don't know why you're townreading her based off it when there's plenty of solid evidence that she's scum.

- Epi, you should be re-evaluating your read on me. We do not have many mislynches left (in fact, I think we don't have any mislynches left), so stop your death tunnel on me and re-evaluate. Carot was defending Mac all day because of a couple of interactions he had with Rej on Day 1, which makes no sense since an entire game has occurred between then and now, and those interactions are easily fakeable. Realize that when there are this little townies left, wolves are going to try to defend and fake-clear each other to get nutella to shoot wrongly, because they know that they win if that happens.

I think the team is most likely Carot/Mac with a small chance (5%~, maybe?) of Carot/Proto and I was pocketed by Proto so the wolf team can play both sides. I think Occam's Razor says Carot/Mac is just the answer and it's as simple as that. Epi is clear (even if you ignore the nutella protection because TSP protected nutella, he still has a meta clear from the Hally kill and Rej spewed him town by claiming a protect on him), so the only possibility left is Proto/Mac which is possible in theory but I'll eat my hat if that's the team in reality.

It isn't me you have to persuade.

[protocultures]

Can't decide between Alison and Carotenoid.
It's almost always Mac plus one to me.

[Epignosis]

Can't decide between Alison and Carotenoid.
It's almost always Mac plus one to me.

This morning I woke up with the notion that Alsion's attack on Carotenoid was staged. I talked about how aggressive Alison was compared to how calm Carotenoid was, and the idea entered my head that it was a put on by the both of them. If one gets shot, the other carries on to victory.

[protocultures]

Im okay clearing Epi and not thinking about it because

[protocultures]

Can't decide between Alison and Carotenoid.
It's almost always Mac plus one to me.

This morning I woke up with the notion that Alsion's attack on Carotenoid was staged. I talked about how aggressive Alison was compared to how calm Carotenoid was, and the idea entered my head that it was a put on by the both of them. If one gets shot, the other carries on to victory.

I mean, Carotenoid is always calm though. I think.

[Epignosis]

also I've gotta go. basically, here's what looks right.

everyone with two saves flips a coin. On heads, they protect nutella. On tails, they self protect.

Epi flips two coins. On two heads, he self protects. Else, he protects nutella.

This allows for wins with perfect shots about 75 percent of the time regardless of alien strategy, which is the absolute maximum a plan like this can get.

let's please do this

@Epignosis
@protocultures
@Alison
@Carotenoid
@MacDougall

I don't have a quarter.

[Alison]

Use this site.

[Epignosis]

It was a joke. I got lots of quarters.

I can't make it rain but I can make it sprinkle.

[protocultures]

In case we lose this night phase

[Epignosis]

I enjoyed you proto. I appreciated getting to know you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Longest Night

That was the longest night in the history of humanity. Or at least, it felt like it.

UFOs flew through the air, firing beams at everything the could. Slowly, one bunker went down after the other, but not before it was evacuated. The aliens tried and tried to find the laser gun operator. Or at least find the ones protecting her.

But in the end, neither was found, and the sun shined again. Ready for one last dance.

No one died.

Day 7 Begins!

[Epignosis]

[nutella]

i am so tired


but we can still do this

[Carotenoid]

what
omg

[Carotenoid]

i don't know how this happened but this is great

[MacDougall]

damn this is the longest game ever

[Carotenoid]

In case we lose this night phase

i'm townreading this lol

[MacDougall]

In case we lose this night phase

i'm townreading this lol

Nah dog, you can't be townreading shit so asinine this late in the game. The aliens who are here are demonstrably good at seeming townie. This is fake.

[nutella]

carot ngl your whole laser dance yesterday and your incredulity at tsp's flip all felt extremely fake and performative to me

your excitement now does too tbh

[Carotenoid]

In case we lose this night phase

i'm townreading this lol

Nah dog, you can't be townreading shit so asinine this late in the game. The aliens who are here are demonstrably good at seeming townie. This is fake.

are you pocketing me

[MacDougall]

I declare a gif war. All players post nothing but gifs all phase and the person who makes nutella laugh the least gets shot.

[protocultures]

I declare a gif war. All players post nothing but gifs all phase and the person who makes nutella laugh the least gets shot.

found the alien

[nutella]

are you pocketing me

...................what

[Carotenoid]

carot ngl your whole laser dance yesterday and your incredulity at tsp's flip all felt extremely fake and performative to me

your excitement now does too tbh

well it's not faked

[nutella]

I declare a gif war. All players post nothing but gifs all phase and the person who makes nutella laugh the least gets shot.

maybe i should do it like we've been doing popcorn in the mu discord recently

idk if you've been around for this but people started doing trivia and whoever doesn't give a right answer gets shot

it's p fun lol

[dunya]

idk if you've been around for this but people started doing trivia and whoever doesn't give a right answer gets shot

it's p fun lol

I'm out if TSP or you are playing

[Carotenoid]

tbh I really don't know who the last pair is

I don't see a world without Alison being an alien tho

[Epignosis]

tbh I really don't know who the last pair is

I don't see a world without Alison being an alien tho

I agree with this. If I lose to Carotenoid, fine. If I lose to protocultures, super fine.

Allison Mack?

Hell no.

[Carotenoid]

[mention]nutella[/mention] just please talk to us during the day

at this point I don't feel confident in my ability to solve the game and pinpoint the the exact pair with certitude but I will try to show you I'm town
I know I've been in the bottom of your PoE since the beginning and I would feel absolutely awful if we end up losing because you shot me so please voice any concerns you have about me so we can go through them

[Carotenoid]

head hurts so I'm heading off to sleep

But let's go we can do this! *pew pew*

[Epignosis]

hyijifhinrjdfihbrenjdfhedsi aaaaaaaah multiquote button didn't work bierjnnfierhehuj
*take a deep breathe* it's gonna be okay
anyway

TonyStarkPrime's plan seems to be the best so far, but it's kinda risky to the not-poe-people past n1, if that makes sense. So I propose that we kinda flip it around:

- On odd nights, two top townreads (or like one top townread + 2 midlytownread that can't all be wolves together) protect nutella. And then we could do something like bottom of POE protect the people protecting nutella and all the others only self-protect if they feel the need to.

- On even nights, bottom of POE protect nutella. The rest of the players only self-protect if they feel the need to.

That way, the protection shots are used more horizontally and avoids that town ends up with no shots at the end. Also I feel like unless we specifically coordinate something specific in the thread, bunker shots should only be used on their own slot.

The odd night plan is pretty solid, but the even night is wack. You need to have confidence in there being two town protects in there on even nights. On odd nights needing just one you have more leeway to include the PoE.

This exchange doesn't happen if Carotenoid is partners with Soneji. This is Soneji trying to look useful.

Bad

Epi
TSP
Alison
Rej
Drago/Mac

Soneji put his entire mafia squad in the bad tier and in the very bottom. There's Alison and Mac with Rej has the creme in between.

Carotenoid got put in the middle tier.

Hmn nutella it's kinda scary that you approach this by "if I shoot Soneji and he flips town" tbh

Don't think shading the mod confirmed player is one's best approach

Fluff. It says nothing about Carotenoid. It doesn't attempt to learn anything about Carotenoid. It doesn't attempt to get nutella to learn anything about Carotenoid. It doesn't attempt to throw Carotenoid under the bus.

This all says to me that Carotenoid is a civilian.

[Epignosis]

The first mention Rej makes of Carotenoid is here:

Hmn okay so first reaction is maybe Rej isn't scum after all, I remember a Soneji scumread, but then turns out it's pretty soft #680, and then

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Question mark scum read so hmmmn they might be w/w.

Yeah that wasn't great.

And what does Carotenoid do? Point out that Soneji is the question mark bad guy even when Carotenoid is also a question mark bad guy.

I understand if you want to take the opposite stance and call that too "on the nose." I get it.

That's all Rej had to say about Carotenoid before getting popped.

[Epignosis]

I read the 7 pages that magically appeared while I was sleeping and euh. I feel like my reads haven't really changed and I'm not too sure what to think about that.

@Alison, why go to such extent for Dyslexicon meta, but not with Epignosis meta?
Why did you suspect Dragomir in the first place?
You said « dyslexicon's "everyone is town or null except drago" readslist still reeks of bussing to me and I think there's a significant chance that they're partners together », now that you think that Dyslexicon is town, how does it impact your read of Dragomir-MacDougall?

MacDougall is chaos, Rej, Soneji and bimbo are still missing in action...

This early post has aged well.

[Epignosis]

Alright I did a cmd+f "Soneji" through the ISO's to see the interactions

tutuu
#636 Put Soneji in her alien group (8 persons total, but saying that protocultures and me should live)
#664 Defends her plan because Soneji called it TWTBAW. Could go either way so hmn

Not much. I still think tutuu is town.

TonyStarkPrime
#657 and #658 suspicion on Soneji (but it’s « kinda », « sort of »), puts Soneji at bottom of PoE at #660
He's still at the bottom of PoE at #731, says to shoot him or Rej at #770
Yes to Soneji pinged in scum chat in #794, #814 is a [hmmn emoji] to Soneji's defense
#834 feels on the verge of TMI knowing I’m town but I’m probably just paranoid

Alright maybe TonyStarkPrime can be town for the moment. I don’t see any reason for him to be so harsh on a teammate that's like a universal null.

Rej
Softish tackle at #680 and #682 scum question mark.

Could be paired with Soneji.

Protocultures
In #140 he says « Soneji – null to very very light town for having looked into strategies as could have done it for either alignment » which is ??????????????? because I don’t think there was anything relevant in Soneji’s first post. Go check it, at this point the only post he made is #38 and I don’t think it qualifies as « having looked into strategies »
Then on #629 it becomes « Soneji – one post, lets hope they post more or get mod killed. »
Which is. ?????? considering the first read on him. Slip? Like Soneji might have posted some strat’ in scum chat.
And then there’s the EoD defending Soneji but I kinda did it too so I don’t know what to think about that. #826 is pretty ???? It feels a bit like trying too much.

This is worrying, especially the #140 bit, I'd like to know what you think about it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
#647 Opposition to Soneji’s strategy and follow up at 649.

I think it's more townish because their strategy are diametrically opposed but otherwise, not much.

Long Con
0 mention of Soneji.

Epignosis
#754 mentions being on Soneji’s « **** list » and asks for reason why he’s alien to anyone scum reading him.

Could go either way.

dunya
#36asks him if he has alien since she thought it wasn’t his first game and « No bad advice pls if you're a cheeky alien ;p » It would be fun if they're teammates but *shrug*
Puts him in lukewarm water and undecided in #66 and #162

Not much, could go either way.

Dyslexicon
#241 Puts Soneji in null (Soneji - No comment.)

Not much, could go either way.

MacDougall
Oh wow he posted a LOT more than I thought O_O

#467 quotes dunya « ;p » post thinking it's pro-town. Actually it's not really related to Soneji.
#507 Soneji is yellow in the readlist and #4 alien in the order
Prods Rej on #684 to ask if the question marks (Soneji and me) are summates
I wanna say it's not w/w/w.
#792 calls my strange timing with Soneji
Then there’s some posts where he seems okay with shooting Soneji, but he was like next on the list so it could be w/w.

I feel like he could be w/w with Soneji but not w/w/w with Soneji and Rej. So I feel conflicted.

Alison
#359 calls Soneji null

IN SUMMARY:

• Soneji was pretty much a null/no reaction for everyone, except to TonyStarkPrime and to a certain extent MacDougall (yellow, but in the bottom 4) and Rej (fifth scum of the list with a ?)
• The only person that has never mentionned Soneji at all is Long Con.
• protocultures, dunya, Dyslexicon & Alison have clearly stated a null read on him
• I think Rej-MacDougall-Soneji is not w/w/w, Rej-Soneji and MacDougall-Soneji both having the potential of being w/w
• NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME gets a tiny +1 v for the mech talk opposition with Soneji
• I think that the most worrying interaction with Soneji is protocultures.

CONCLUSION
why did i do that it took so long ugh

I'd call this civilian work.

[Epignosis]

Look, I'll go deeper if requested, but I am fine calling Carotenoid a civilian here.

[Epignosis]

I looked at other posts and yeah, I feel okay here. nutella, if there's anything you want to discuss specifically about Carotenoid's posts or want me to give a fresh look at it, let me know.

[protocultures]

Look, I'll go deeper if requested, but I am fine calling Carotenoid a civilian here.

you are still on Mac is Alien though, right?

[Epignosis]

Look, I'll go deeper if requested, but I am fine calling Carotenoid a civilian here.

you are still on Mac is Alien though, right?

What are my alternatives if I am not?

[protocultures]

nobody dying last night makes it harder for Nutella to shoot correctly today, but its actually the best result for us in the long run.

Just putting that out there.

[nutella]

okay. I think I was pretty much always planning to shoot Alison today, as she fits in basically all the possible worlds I see. I'm still having a tough time getting there on Mac but the rest of you see it so at some point I need to put my trust in you guys. I suppose it can be Alison - Mac. Alison - Carot would be impressive but plausible. Carot - Mac.... I don't really see it. It would take some extreme convincing to show me a proto world.

[protocultures]

Look, I'll go deeper if requested, but I am fine calling Carotenoid a civilian here.

you are still on Mac is Alien though, right?

What are my alternatives if I am not?

Carot/Alison

But I think im okay losing to that pair.

I'm also okay losing to any pair with you.

Its Mac/Carotenoid or Mac/Alison to me, but god have I have wrong a lot this game.

[nutella]

God what if it's alison proto though


I mean they would absolutely deserve that win lol