Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Hally]

can we not

like this game was going so well

suddenly its a sludge pool that i dont wanna go near

big rip

probably because mafia members came into the thread and were upset that townies were working too well together so they intentionally started a fight in a very loud and dragged-out way that repulses people from reading it

this is objectively... not what happened. jay was already both in the town core and helping to organize it when lc came in and did his thing

i find your w/w theory on them very unbelievable tbh

[Hally]

Binary process of elimination style. Names are not ordered within groups:

TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
Alison
Nanook
Hally

ColinIsCool
Long Con
DrWilgy
sprityo
Funnygurl555

my list is this with the following changes:
- Hally to null. I still can't get over how weird the early interactions with FG were and I'm generally don't want to let go of things that genuinely bother me, which this does. I no longer think she's W/W with FG because of later interactions but the awkwardness doesn't sit right with me and that cancels out the other townie stuff she's done.

- Wisp to null. In a vacuum their play doesn't make sense. I'm told this is their town meta. Taking advantage of a town meta to push bad ideas? Maybe. Or could be just townie playing the way they usually do. I'm conflicted so I'm putting Wisp into the null pool.

i struggle to see how or why my “awkward” interactions with one player who you dont even think im teamed with should cancel out everything else townish about me

whats your thought process here?

[Hally]

and I generally believe that having to fake orgasmic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

Honey, I can tell you some stories...

ORGANIC

I MEANT ORGANIC

you actually did not make a typo. epi changed the word himself because hes a troll

[Hally]

today is the big day. I'm sure all will go okay wish me luck! I'll check in here and there and I'll be home by end of day

best of luck sabie!

[Hally]

sprityo and wigly have still done nothing despite being here

idk why people are voting colin when he hasnt posted yet. its not really gonna do anything

Since I am town, I am giving +1 town credit to everyone who said they didn’t get a vote for me at this juncture — mafia would know I’m not on their team and should be happy to see a completely wasted lynch of a non-poster

what if i told you id absolutely also say that sort of thing as a wolf?

[Hally]

Somebody make a list of all the Miller's for me, please?

sure heres a list:
everyone
their mother

[Hally]

Town reads:

Alison - maybe my top townread, feels like the most solviest mindset and I find myself nodding a lot in agreement

JJJ - seems like a duh at this moment

Long Con - his conflict with JJJ feels towny to me, like he legitimately feels singled out or just doesn’t get the shade.

KitsuShel: angle shooty reasons

People who feel within a town meta for me include Tony, sabie, Wilgy, Epi, and NANOOK but I feel less confident about these minus the ones I mentioned earlier (sabie, NANOOK).

I found myself agreeing the most with the early funnygurl suspicions and that’s seemed to have died off a bit but it seems like the best way to go.

[VOTE: Funnygurl] aubergine

Pool: sprit, Spacedaisy,

a few questions:

what things do you find yourself agreeing with alison on other than fg suspicions?

why “duh” for jay?

why is lc feeling singled out relevant to his alignment? even if he does genuinely feel singled out, why should that make him town?

what do you mean, wilgy is in his town meta? how so?

and the other people in your poe are sprit and daisy? could you talk more about them?

any thoughts on other players you didnt mention?

[Hally]

Honestly the kits read isn’t even that angelshooty, it’s just that they’re unlikely to have partners based on how their miller claim progressed

yea i wouldnt call the kits read an angle shoot at all

[Hally]

why does wilgy have four votes? is this an active scum read or more like “he hasnt done anything yet” thing? idk what his meta is or anything

[Hally]

[mention]KitsuShel[/mention] where are you thinking of voting today?

[Hally]

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] you have four votes on you and we have eight(?) hours left. now is the time to come alive!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

why does wilgy have four votes? is this an active scum read or more like “he hasnt done anything yet” thing? idk what his meta is or anything

In the POE, no compelling reason to keep him alive AFAIK

[Hally]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] what was the point of your blow up at jay if you’re not even trying to yeet him? do you want him dead still or no?

[mention]sprityo[/mention] i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] i see your vote is still on epi. is that where you intend to leave it?

[Hally]

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] did you have a reason for voting alison? i dont remember?

[Long Con]

@Long Con what was the point of your blow up at jay if you’re not even trying to yeet him? do you want him dead still or no?

Yes, I do very much want him dead. If I detect a hint of a whiff that enough others feel that way, count me in. Otherwise, I am realistic enough to understand that he's not going to be today's lynch.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy you have four votes on you and we have eight(?) hours left. now is the time to come alive!

Yeah that's not happening lmao.

30 pages to catch up on and I'm the easiest person to vote out for no particular reason so it's just gonna happen.

On the bright side, a couple of civ misyeets in a row and the meta of lynch Wilgy day 1 may slow down. We take those trades.

On another note, this isn't pertaining to the player as a whole, but their vote on me is even lazier than I am. Keep that in mind after I'm gone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

[ColinIsCool]

sprityo and wigly have still done nothing despite being here

idk why people are voting colin when he hasnt posted yet. its not really gonna do anything

Since I am town, I am giving +1 town credit to everyone who said they didn’t get a vote for me at this juncture — mafia would know I’m not on their team and should be happy to see a completely wasted lynch of a non-poster

what if i told you id absolutely also say that sort of thing as a wolf?

Sure, keep your merit anyway.

[Hally]

@Long Con what was the point of your blow up at jay if you’re not even trying to yeet him? do you want him dead still or no?

Yes, I do very much want him dead. If I detect a hint of a whiff that enough others feel that way, count me in. Otherwise, I am realistic enough to understand that he's not going to be today's lynch.

alright, but neither is kits and your vote is there

[Long Con]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

[Hally]

@DrWilgy you have four votes on you and we have eight(?) hours left. now is the time to come alive!

Yeah that's not happening lmao.

30 pages to catch up on and I'm the easiest person to vote out for no particular reason so it's just gonna happen.

On the bright side, a couple of civ misyeets in a row and the meta of lynch Wilgy day 1 may slow down. We take those trades.

On another note, this isn't pertaining to the player as a whole, but their vote on me is even lazier than I am. Keep that in mind after I'm gone.

okay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On another note, this isn't pertaining to the player as a whole, but their vote on me is even lazier than I am. Keep that in mind after I'm gone.

Who do you think is mafia

[Long Con]

@Long Con what was the point of your blow up at jay if you’re not even trying to yeet him? do you want him dead still or no?

Yes, I do very much want him dead. If I detect a hint of a whiff that enough others feel that way, count me in. Otherwise, I am realistic enough to understand that he's not going to be today's lynch.

alright, but neither is kits and your vote is there

It won't be by the days end. I just haven't decided where it should be.

[DrWilgy]

On another note, this isn't pertaining to the player as a whole, but their vote on me is even lazier than I am. Keep that in mind after I'm gone.

Who do you think is mafia

Not me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

[sprityo]

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

[Hally]

im not really interested in a wilgy yeet

[Long Con]

I honestly don't care how many town losses I have to contribute to before I stop getting suspected for my normal playstyle.

This is not “I think Jay is mafia.”

This is “I want Jay dead. Because screw Jay.”

Don't be so egotistical. That post is all about me, not you.

You know that chopping me contributes to a town loss.

not when you are a wolf.

[ColinIsCool]

Town reads:

Alison - maybe my top townread, feels like the most solviest mindset and I find myself nodding a lot in agreement

JJJ - seems like a duh at this moment

Long Con - his conflict with JJJ feels towny to me, like he legitimately feels singled out or just doesn’t get the shade.

KitsuShel: angle shooty reasons

People who feel within a town meta for me include Tony, sabie, Wilgy, Epi, and NANOOK but I feel less confident about these minus the ones I mentioned earlier (sabie, NANOOK).

I found myself agreeing the most with the early funnygurl suspicions and that’s seemed to have died off a bit but it seems like the best way to go.

[VOTE: Funnygurl] aubergine

Pool: sprit, Spacedaisy,

a few questions:

what things do you find yourself agreeing with alison on other than fg suspicions?

why “duh” for jay?

why is lc feeling singled out relevant to his alignment? even if he does genuinely feel singled out, why should that make him town?

what do you mean, wilgy is in his town meta? how so?

and the other people in your poe are sprit and daisy? could you talk more about them?

any thoughts on other players you didnt mention?

I like the cut of Alison’s jib, I like their attitude toward the game. It’s not a townlock or anything cause it’s Day 1 and it’s all uninformed guesswork right now but I feel good there.

If you would like to make the case that Jay is scum then by all means go ahead but I see townie behavior. While I am loath to simplify his game to a point, he’s a lot quieter as scum, at least in my experience.

It’s a tone thing re: LC.

I’ve seen Wilgy as a townie making the same level of contribution like, a billion times.

I decline to say more at this time, because I don’t have any deeper thoughts to share. When or if they occur to me, I’ll share them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] what is your read on Epignosis?

[Hally]

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

okay. i disagree with this both in regards to wisp and on principle. i dont think wisp has done that in this game

and even if you think he has, that would make him anti town not scummy. they are really the same

can you point put specific examples of what youre talking about and why theyre more likely to come from scum?

[Millium]

no one ever accused me of being friendly


I play the way I need to play

[mention]sprityo[/mention]
give me specific examples of this "trying to create Chaos" you are talking about

also Hally feels even more townie based on her posts this page

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

The really funny thing is you just very accurately described his town game

[Hally]

Town reads:

Alison - maybe my top townread, feels like the most solviest mindset and I find myself nodding a lot in agreement

JJJ - seems like a duh at this moment

Long Con - his conflict with JJJ feels towny to me, like he legitimately feels singled out or just doesn’t get the shade.

KitsuShel: angle shooty reasons

People who feel within a town meta for me include Tony, sabie, Wilgy, Epi, and NANOOK but I feel less confident about these minus the ones I mentioned earlier (sabie, NANOOK).

I found myself agreeing the most with the early funnygurl suspicions and that’s seemed to have died off a bit but it seems like the best way to go.

[VOTE: Funnygurl] aubergine

Pool: sprit, Spacedaisy,

a few questions:

what things do you find yourself agreeing with alison on other than fg suspicions?

why “duh” for jay?

why is lc feeling singled out relevant to his alignment? even if he does genuinely feel singled out, why should that make him town?

what do you mean, wilgy is in his town meta? how so?

and the other people in your poe are sprit and daisy? could you talk more about them?

any thoughts on other players you didnt mention?

I like the cut of Alison’s jib, I like their attitude toward the game. It’s not a townlock or anything cause it’s Day 1 and it’s all uninformed guesswork right now but I feel good there.

If you would like to make the case that Jay is scum then by all means go ahead but I see townie behavior. While I am loath to simplify his game to a point, he’s a lot quieter as scum, at least in my experience.

It’s a tone thing re: LC.

I’ve seen Wilgy as a townie making the same level of contribution like, a billion times.

I decline to say more at this time, because I don’t have any deeper thoughts to share. When or if they occur to me, I’ll share them.

okay

[Millium]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
how does yeeting you amount to a town lose?

[Hally]

@sprityo i still cant parse the reasoning for your wisp vote. could you clarify?

Wisp’s posts this game have been grating and could’ve accomplished any questions/information they wanted to acquire in a different manner.

The way they went about it made the environment feel more hostile and that takes away from the rational problem solving trying to be accomplished.

You could call it something similar to chaos-mongering. Basically they were inhibiting the town’s ability to function and I see that as a mafia mentality and way of playing

okay. i disagree with this both in regards to wisp and on principle. i dont think wisp has done that in this game

and even if you think he has, that would make him anti town not scummy. they are really the same

can you point put specific examples of what youre talking about and why theyre more likely to come from scum?

*arent really the same

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay
how does yeeting you amount to a town lose?

It doesn’t guarantee a town loss, but it definitely encourages a town loss. I am helping to drive the collective POE game, and I would be a chop way outside that approach.

[Hally]

thank you all for humoring me in my endless questions btw

[Millium]

@JaggedJimmyJay
how does yeeting you amount to a town lose?

It doesn’t guarantee a town loss, but it definitely encourages a town loss. I am helping to drive the collective POE game, and I would be a chop way outside that approach.

assuming worlds of town!Alison and town!Nanook, and you also got me
I just never really understood the argument, "Lynch Me, Lose the game", on day 1

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Comments coming soon.

Spoiler: show

I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but LC has one "bad" and it's Kitsushel? Over Colin and Wilgy?

[mention]Long Con[/mention] please tell me about this post.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay
how does yeeting you amount to a town lose?

It doesn’t guarantee a town loss, but it definitely encourages a town loss. I am helping to drive the collective POE game, and I would be a chop way outside that approach.

assuming worlds of town!Alison and town!Nanook, and you also got me
I just never really understood the argument, "Lynch Me, Lose the game", on day 1

You’re all capable. And you’d be bad mischops too. Any major deviation from the POE effort that chops a civilian will severely harm town’s win chance.

[Millium]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
so what's your take on all the players that don't seem to care if they die day 1 for the sake of "town"?

[sprityo]

Naw, I said my piece, NANOOK just reinforced what I claimed. I see it as bad. That my opinion. I’m keeping my vote here

[sprityo]

I’ll see you guys in night phase

[Millium]

#1529
is a good response from Colin, it at least means he isn't pulling his reads out of his ass

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay
so what's your take on all the players that don't seem to care if they die day 1 for the sake of "town"?

Sorely misguided if they’re genuine. Everything is contextual, but that’s very rarely the right way to handle business.

[Millium]

[mention]sprityo[/mention]
I'll be waiting for you to point out what exactly makes my posts give off the feeling of "causing chaos"
Right now it's just a shallow read, "Mean people should die."
I'm not going to apologize for wanting people to play the game

[Millium]

The only "mean" post that I'd agree on is my attack on Con, which was a spur of the moment thing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

He yelled obnoxiously about the concern I stated regarding his 9:1 good:bad GTH reads ratio. He has treated me like confirmed mafia and refused to budge a hair without talking to me on the level about any of it.

Epignosis ripped LC for the same 9:1 ratio. LC responded to that with a joke about KitsuShel’s username.

LC’s suspicion of me is fake. It is driven by an agenda to challenge me and disrupt the game state I have helped to construct.

[Hally]

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

hee ho!