Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Only one post out of all of them was a town read, along with several bad reads.

Was your intended message literally "absence of a town read" or "is a mafia read"?

[Hally]

i struggle to see how or why my “awkward” interactions with one player who you dont even think im teamed with should cancel out everything else townish about me

whats your thought process here?

My thought process is that you did some townie things and some scummy things so they roughly cancel out.

what are these scummy things?

[Alison]

I haven't caught up yet but I notice quite a few people are on spirityo. I'm not interested in a spirityo chop. I don't necessarily agree with their playstyle but the complaint about Wisp being anti-town felt genuine to me and they've done more than other lurkers.

[Alison]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

[Hally]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

what is scummy about them? and is that dependent on fg’s alignment and in what way?

[Long Con]

Only one post out of all of them was a town read, along with several bad reads.

Was your intended message literally "absence of a town read" or "is a mafia read"?

Mafia read, as evidenced by the following vote.

[Alison]

i don't think the kitsu is town case is believable, especially if they have experience playing the game. i'm all for derp clears and all, but i wouldn't derp clear her for that. js

FG and LC are both pushing Kitsu.

Noted and bookmarked.

[Alison]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

what is scummy about them? and is that dependent on fg’s alignment and in what way?

I just thought they felt forced and inorganic, which is less likely to come from town. I'm sure there's some possibility of it coming from town Hally which is why I'm null on you and not lock scumreading you. There's also some possibility of the townie things you've done coming from scum Hally.

Why are you so concerned with my read on you when you're not even close to being a consideration for the chop today?

[Millium]

[mention]Alison[/mention]
What is your thoughts on Sprit's self vote?
Why do you keep using interactions to label people as possible wolves?

[Alison]

@sprityo you're voting yourself. i'll be voting for you until that moves

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

This is a pretty bad attempt to counterwagon LC.

Feeling pretty good about these two as a scum team.

[Alison]

@Alison
What is your thoughts on Sprit's self vote?
Why do you keep using interactions to label people as possible wolves?

I doubt it's AI.

I'm using interactions to label people as possible wolves because scummy interactions are what have jumped out at me this game.

[Millium]

Its definitely bad reasoning
/shrug

their vote on Sprit feels more like policy, than actually believing they are a wolf

[Millium]

and given that's the kind of easy stuff on jump on when I am a wolf as well

[Long Con]

@sprityo you're voting yourself. i'll be voting for you until that moves

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

This is a pretty bad attempt to counterwagon LC.

Feeling pretty good about these two as a scum team.

Remember those good feelings to get you through the hard times ahead.

[Alison]

You two are just W/W and this whole thing with the clash of playstyles is just elaborate scum theater and I'm not buying it sorry

this conveys Alison/LC. Alison's aware that it does it's a level one read on my part. But pointing that out.

If you believe this then you should help me kill my wolf buddy. No need to give me cred afterwards.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

He yelled obnoxiously about the concern I stated regarding his 9:1 good:bad GTH reads ratio. He has treated me like confirmed mafia and refused to budge a hair without talking to me on the level about any of it.

Epignosis ripped LC for the same 9:1 ratio. LC responded to that with a joke about KitsuShel’s username.

LC’s suspicion of me is fake. It is driven by an agenda to challenge me and disrupt the game state I have helped to construct.

First of all, Epignosis asked a question. He didn't even accuse me of anything or try to put suspicion on me. There is not much similarity between your two posts except that they both discuss my GTH

I think this point is an important one, so I went back to get a closer look. The two comments in question:

• The "winner" of the Who Gave the Most Good Reads? sweepstakes is Long Con, at least by proportion. Otherwise it's me, but we don't care about that. No, no, we don't care about that. Unless @Long Con has multiple mafia reads among the four he missed, then there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state.

I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but LC has one "bad" and it's Kitsushel? Over Colin and Wilgy?

Where you're right: Epignosis did not explicitly accuse you, and I did.

Where [I-think] you're not right: Epignosis did not "try to put suspicion on you". To me, that implication is very clear in Epignosis's question. Indeed, what is the point of asking this question otherwise? Why else would Epi ask it? Consider the preface: I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but...

That is an accusation. And it's the same accusation I made. Your disparate handling of each of them is difficult to see as honest.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

He yelled obnoxiously about the concern I stated regarding his 9:1 good:bad GTH reads ratio. He has treated me like confirmed mafia and refused to budge a hair without talking to me on the level about any of it.

Epignosis ripped LC for the same 9:1 ratio. LC responded to that with a joke about KitsuShel’s username.

LC’s suspicion of me is fake. It is driven by an agenda to challenge me and disrupt the game state I have helped to construct.

First of all, Epignosis asked a question. He didn't even accuse me of anything or try to put suspicion on me. There is not much similarity between your two posts except that they both discuss my GTH

I think this point is an important one, so I went back to get a closer look. The two comments in question:

• The "winner" of the Who Gave the Most Good Reads? sweepstakes is Long Con, at least by proportion. Otherwise it's me, but we don't care about that. No, no, we don't care about that. Unless @Long Con has multiple mafia reads among the four he missed, then there is a considerable shortage of suspicion there. That's not great, as I don't see much in his post history to this point that suggests to me he should have developed such a comfortable view of the game state.

I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but LC has one "bad" and it's Kitsushel? Over Colin and Wilgy?

Where you're right: Epignosis did not explicitly accuse you, and I did.

Where [I-think] you're not right: Epignosis did not "try to put suspicion on you". To me, that implication is very clear in Epignosis's question. Indeed, what is the point of asking this question otherwise? Why else would Epi ask it? Consider the preface: I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but...

That is an accusation. And it's the same accusation I made. Your disparate handling of each of them is difficult to see as honest.

Forgive me for considering your point of view on the matter biased, since you really want me to be bad here.

Let's ask Epignosis.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello I am here kinda

[Alison]

i dont think fg and lc are w/w. i dont believe fg treats lc with this kind of undying love if they’re teammates. more likely theyre v/w and one of them has pocketed the other

I believe it is within both players' scum range to buddy hard with each other when mutually suspected.

[Long Con]

Not to mention that I got a shit ton of negative feedback for my handling of you. How could you possibly expect me to handle Epignosis the same way?

[Funnygurl555]

alison are u actually scum

[Alison]

its extremely weird to me that two people just sheep lc onto epi and idk what it means

I think it means that everyone who did the sheeping is scummy and is trying to push a counterwagon to LC.

I took a mental step back here and re-read the posts to see if I was maybe being too tunnelled but I don't think I am. It's just a scummy vote progression.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not to mention that I got a shit ton of negative feedback for my handling of you. How could you possibly expect me to handle Epignosis the same way?

1) You'd already said "this will probably get me offed" and made it clear you didn't care. I see no reason why a civilian should care any more when it comes to accusing Epignosis.

2) I need to review that timeline. Just a moment.

[Funnygurl555]

i would join on epi but sprit has to die for the self vote

im sry

lc u got me hard w/ that self vote in ac

n e v e r a g a i n

[Long Con]

i would join on epi but sprit has to die for the self vote

im sry

lc u got me hard w/ that self vote in ac

n e v e r a g a i n

That was a brilliant tactic. I don't even know with sprityo. I'll probably have to vote there to save myself.

[Long Con]

Not to mention that I got a shit ton of negative feedback for my handling of you. How could you possibly expect me to handle Epignosis the same way?

1) You'd already said "this will probably get me offed" and made it clear you didn't care. I see no reason why a civilian should care any more when it comes to accusing Epignosis.

2) I need to review that timeline. Just a moment.

Getting votes, and getting scolded/shunned, are very different animals.

[Funnygurl555]

lc is town thx

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay timeline confirmed. I couldn't remember if that LC/Epi interaction came after the thread initially received LC's flip of the lid.

[Long Con]

I bet the Epi one came first. *crosses fingers*

[Millium]

i would join on epi but sprit has to die for the self vote

im sry

lc u got me hard w/ that self vote in ac

n e v e r a g a i n

But what does this have to do with Sprit? Why are your apologizing?
Self votes are bad but usually NAI, if you couldn't find LC through other means that game, then that is a you problem.

[Long Con]

phew

[JaggedJimmyJay]

lc is town thx

What makes you think so?

[Hally]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

what is scummy about them? and is that dependent on fg’s alignment and in what way?

I just thought they felt forced and inorganic, which is less likely to come from town. I'm sure there's some possibility of it coming from town Hally which is why I'm null on you and not lock scumreading you. There's also some possibility of the townie things you've done coming from scum Hally.

Why are you so concerned with my read on you when you're not even close to being a consideration for the chop today?

because im petty and consumed by my own vanity

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

what is scummy about them? and is that dependent on fg’s alignment and in what way?

I just thought they felt forced and inorganic, which is less likely to come from town. I'm sure there's some possibility of it coming from town Hally which is why I'm null on you and not lock scumreading you. There's also some possibility of the townie things you've done coming from scum Hally.

Why are you so concerned with my read on you when you're not even close to being a consideration for the chop today?

because im petty and consumed by my own vanity

Wait that’s me

[Funnygurl555]

i would join on epi but sprit has to die for the self vote

im sry

lc u got me hard w/ that self vote in ac

n e v e r a g a i n

But what does this have to do with Sprit? Why are your apologizing?
Self votes are bad but usually NAI, if you couldn't find LC through other means that game, then that is a you problem.

i was voting for him and everything and then he was like "F IT" and self voted and narrowly survived d1 eod and then we were all like, "naaaaaaaaaaaaaah this is a town who dgaf" until he................... won in f3............. :O

I DID OK ALRIGHT I SHOT A WOLF >:O

[Long Con]

what are these scummy things?

Literally just the interactions with FG.

what is scummy about them? and is that dependent on fg’s alignment and in what way?

I just thought they felt forced and inorganic, which is less likely to come from town. I'm sure there's some possibility of it coming from town Hally which is why I'm null on you and not lock scumreading you. There's also some possibility of the townie things you've done coming from scum Hally.

Why are you so concerned with my read on you when you're not even close to being a consideration for the chop today?

because im petty and consumed by my own vanity

Hey, we DO have something in common!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I bet the Epi one came first. *crosses fingers*

I want to post the emoji again.

[Long Con]

I bet the Epi one came first. *crosses fingers*

I want to post the emoji again.

Good... GOOOOD.... let the hate flow through you...

[Funnygurl555]

lc is town thx

What makes you think so?

we've had m i n d m e l d s and he's had no friends in the game really

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Kill Long Con. He's opened his trench coat

[Long Con]

I'm sellin' salami

[Funnygurl555]

jack why did u make this game

[Long Con]

[Hally]

[VOTE: ghengis con] aubergine

[Long Con]

You guys are gonna make me claim, aren't you?

[Millium]

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention]
Why do neither of your seem to care? as we are approaching EOD?

[Hally]

You guys are gonna make me claim, aren't you?

i mean, considering wolves have fake claims, no

[Epignosis]

You guys are gonna make me claim, aren't you?

No.

[VOTE: FunnyGirl] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait

Are you gonna claim mason or are you gonna claim cop with a N0 green

[Long Con]

I don't always wear my feelings on my sleeve.