Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Long Con]

I’m not asking you to fit in I’m just asking you to meet me halfway lol

Idk why we have to wait for next game let’s just meet halfway d2!

How about D3?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You’ve got more experience with meaningful night polls than I do, I’ll follow your gut on it

I like your idea better. It could amount to the distribution of something, so a split is safe.

It could also be meaningless.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m not asking you to fit in I’m just asking you to meet me halfway lol

Idk why we have to wait for next game let’s just meet halfway d2!

How about D3?

If I haven’t been NKed by D3 something has gone horribly wrong lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You’ve got more experience with meaningful night polls than I do, I’ll follow your gut on it

I like your idea better. It could amount to the distribution of something, so a split is safe.

It could also be meaningless.

Cool. Me/you/wisp on, Hally/Epi/kits/sabie off seems fine to me?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Eh, I guess there might be a protective role, maybe I will get to D3. We’ll see!

[Long Con]

I could have responded better to your Epignosis case, LC. I grant that. It’s that confirmation bias bug always buzzing around in the noggin. I also understand if it’s not super clear to you why folks think those people are town.

What do you think of the other names mired in the position alongside you? Primary FG, Pawnyo, Wilgy, and Colin

Funnygurl is a tough one for me, because of her attitude toward me. It could be buddying, but the suspicion mindmelds weren't all one-way. It would be a little clearer if the Day 1 yeet had gone to the full time, would she have accepted getting yeeted over me in the end? Is that even wise for a villager with a yeet save, trusting a player that everyone is telling her is scum? Or would she have just gone hard into Sprityo, or do whatever else to save herself in those final lost 15?

Is it off-limits to talk about her claiming no flavour connection? I don't think so, we just need to not be getting all PM-comparisony. A bunch of people were very critical of her saying there's no flavour connection, but did any of them even look at what she said? She said "nah", indicating that there's not a flavour explanation of why her role is how it is, "I'm just Jack Sparrow and it's obvious why" (paraphrased). I agree with that... I mean, the video was obvious enough. So that line of thinking is absolutely flawed, and anyone pushing it should have some suspicion for it.

I think she's town.

[Long Con]

I’m not asking you to fit in I’m just asking you to meet me halfway lol

Idk why we have to wait for next game let’s just meet halfway d2!

How about D3?

If I haven’t been NKed by D3 something has gone horribly wrong lmao

"And from the sidelines
I see you run
Until you're out of breath
And all those white lines that sped us up
We hurry to our death
Well I lagged behind
So you got ahead"

I'll race you.

[Hally]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

[Long Con]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

[Hally]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sure yeah votes are fine I guess

[Long Con]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

It's a possibility, one that you didn't consider, or maybe you didn't need to consider it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Once I finish my Delicious El Camino Burritos® and Delicious El Camino Chalupa® I will take a closer look at Epi and Tony and maybe more if time permits.

[Hally]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

It's a possibility, one that you didn't consider, or maybe you didn't need to consider it.

is this meant to be a serious accusation?

i have been strongly town reading jay and nanook the whole game

if they tell me to vote somewhere i have no reason to believe mal intent

[Long Con]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

It's a possibility, one that you didn't consider, or maybe you didn't need to consider it.

is this meant to be a serious accusation?

i have been strongly town reading jay and nanook the whole game

if they tell me to vote somewhere i have no reason to believe mal intent

I'm just asking questions.

[Hally]

also [mention]Long Con[/mention] you scum read jay and you’re voting with him so... what? like why is this a thing you care about

[Hally]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

It's a possibility, one that you didn't consider, or maybe you didn't need to consider it.

is this meant to be a serious accusation?

i have been strongly town reading jay and nanook the whole game

if they tell me to vote somewhere i have no reason to believe mal intent

I'm just asking questions.

i mean, there clearly was shade implied in that question but ok

[Hally]

i voted off, lmk if i should change

You're very compliant, why are you so sure that you're not getting manipulated by scum to choose the wrong one?

what makes you think scum knows what the “wrong one” is?

It's a possibility, one that you didn't consider, or maybe you didn't need to consider it.

is this meant to be a serious accusation?

i have been strongly town reading jay and nanook the whole game

if they tell me to vote somewhere i have no reason to believe mal intent

I'm just asking questions.

i mean, there clearly was shade implied in that question but ok

[Long Con]

Is that a problem? Am I allowed to look for reasons you might be suspicious?

[Long Con]

also @Long Con you scum read jay and you’re voting with him so... what? like why is this a thing you care about

I was the first one to vote, and I haven't moved, and Jay just got antsy and decided the night poll was important and shuffled everyone around. How can you say something like that? Am I supposed to jump off my choice because he moved to it??

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Apparently I cannot enjoy my Delicious Jarritos Soft Drink®, the cap isn't screw off.

[Long Con]

Apparently I cannot enjoy my Delicious Jarritos Soft Drink®, the cap isn't screw off.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Hally]

Is that a problem? Am I allowed to look for reasons you might be suspicious?

no? but if you wanna accuse me just do it instead of disguising it as a question and then claiming thats all it was lol

[Long Con]

Ok

[ColinIsCool]

1000% not caught up at all

If you would like to make the case that Jay is scum then by all means go ahead but I see townie behavior. While I am loath to simplify his game to a point, he’s a lot quieter as scum, at least in my experience.

Can you recall an example of a game that brings you to this perspective?

The last Champs game that I played where you did that epistolary thing, I think

I half don’t believe this when I say it (can he hedge any harder?) but in my experience I feel like you like being town and figuring things out more than you do being scum and deceiving people and the efforts here look like earnest solving more than the appearance of.

[Hally]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] do you have any updated reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Never chop Daisy by the way. Just don’t do it folks. Don’t make me pull my hair out in dead chat watching that.

explain to me why

Note to self to answer when current analysis complete

[Epignosis]

It hurts to see you guys talking this way when you are wrong.

how do you know im wrong? i said at least one wolf in you/fg and you presumably dont know her alignment

are you still so confident shes town after what happened at EoD? no thoughts on her not flipping and having zero reaction to that?

Hally is

[Hally]

It hurts to see you guys talking this way when you are wrong.

how do you know im wrong? i said at least one wolf in you/fg and you presumably dont know her alignment

are you still so confident shes town after what happened at EoD? no thoughts on her not flipping and having zero reaction to that?

Hally is

lol

im a peaceful person, i promise! mafia makes me this way

[Epignosis]

It hurts to see you guys talking this way when you are wrong.

how do you know im wrong? i said at least one wolf in you/fg and you presumably dont know her alignment

are you still so confident shes town after what happened at EoD? no thoughts on her not flipping and having zero reaction to that?

Hally is

lol

im a peaceful person, i promise! mafia makes me this way

Is it "Ha(t)-lee" or "Holly?"

[Epignosis]

was playing civ, what's happened

Jack surprise ended today 15 minutes early, with funnygurl leading the poll by one vote. Nobody was lynched.

nice!

Why is that nice?

[Epignosis]

what's also informative is that 4 people left their votes on lc despite a claim, which is the mechanically incorrect thing to do. as nanook pointed out, voting for me was also a bad move since me and lc are linked for some reason. then we have sprit, who people were scum reading anyways. y'all let him live

i was gonna keep mum but y'all are just... NOT headed in the right direction lmfao

i think alison's scum btw. telling eod

What was telling about it?

[Epignosis]

"Alison was frozen."

Read that. Okay.

[Epignosis]

"It is impossible to chop me" is another "please claim in your first post" situation.

yes

a townie who has that role should always claim it upfront

like we just wasted a yeet and now we have no flip to go off of

Hard disagree.

If I got this role, I'd be going bananas in the thread trying to see who would have a go at me and sort it out later. I wouldn't claim that shit Day 1.

I wish FunnyGirl had gone a little harder, but I buy the claim and do not recommend lynching her Day 2.

[Epignosis]

does anyone else have a role we need to know about?

obviously use your discretion as far as what part of your role, if any, town needs to know about and what parts you should keep hidden from mafia

but like, really anything that messes with yeets or votes or investigations probably needs to be claimed upfront. transparency is town’s friend

speak now or forever hold your piece

*peace

[Hally]

It hurts to see you guys talking this way when you are wrong.

how do you know im wrong? i said at least one wolf in you/fg and you presumably dont know her alignment

are you still so confident shes town after what happened at EoD? no thoughts on her not flipping and having zero reaction to that?

Hally is

lol

im a peaceful person, i promise! mafia makes me this way

Is it "Ha(t)-lee" or "Holly?"

first one!

[Epignosis]

that should be claimed post one but okay.

No, I don't agree with that.

[Hally]

does anyone else have a role we need to know about?

obviously use your discretion as far as what part of your role, if any, town needs to know about and what parts you should keep hidden from mafia

but like, really anything that messes with yeets or votes or investigations probably needs to be claimed upfront. transparency is town’s friend

speak now or forever hold your piece

*peace

thank you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am still in the process of reviewing all of the blind interactions. A quick note though that so far I am finding very little decent indication of mafia teammate compatibility between members of the general "town core" and either members of the POE pool or one another. This strengthens my confidence in the state of the game.

[Long Con]

does anyone else have a role we need to know about?

obviously use your discretion as far as what part of your role, if any, town needs to know about and what parts you should keep hidden from mafia

but like, really anything that messes with yeets or votes or investigations probably needs to be claimed upfront. transparency is town’s friend

speak now or forever hold your piece

*peace

[Epignosis]

6. Epi, you don't have to give me a rainbow list or anything but would you kindly tell me who you trust most, and who you'd like to see dead atm?

I hold to this right now:

Good:

JJJ
Hally
Wisp
Nanook

I am still considering the FunnyGIrl funnybusiness, but while people are bitching for her not claiming from the beginning, I know my ass wouldn't be doing that at all. I'm seeing that people think she's lying, so I'll let you know.

Dead?

That hasn't changed much, but I'm still behind.

LC
Wilgy
sprityo
TSP

[ColinIsCool]

real circle jerk forming up in the poll right now

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Honestly the more I think about it the more I kinda wanna just take FG as town but it’s hard to quantify why

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ya, thought we had 15 more minutes too

anyways see y'all tomorrow

This post makes me eyeballs tweak out of their sockets.

[Hally]

tbh she easily could be

idk i didnt even find her that sus before all this stuff with the yeetproof

hrm

[Hally]

idek i would like her resolved though one way or another

[Epignosis]

The only read I've made that's dependent on a flip is my read on you as LC's possible buddy, so this entire post is wrong, sorry. All the things I pointed out are things that would be independently scummy. Whether or not you are town or scum, LC's melodrama is fake and fake is wolfy. And you're wrong about how it's not compelling. When scum makes a big stink about something, it means they really really want the town to know that they hold a certain position. I think the way LC went about it makes him a wolf, and the simplest and most compelling reason for a wolf to really really want the town to know that they were super against someone is if they're bussing. This is especially the case because both of you were attacking each other, so whoever flipped first would give the other cred. Please don't try to undermine my case by claiming it is frivolous when there is a solid logical foundation for me to make that read.

Also if you believed all of this stuff I have no clue why this is coming out only after FG voiced suspicion of me rather than coming out earlier.

I think if I were presented with identical data about someone who is Not Me, I'd come to the opposite conclusion that you came to. I grant my own bias in the matter and would invite anyone else to speak their mind on it.

I don't think it's healthy or correct to play the game in a way that encourages undue paranoia. I am not going to go out of my way to case someone that I think is probably town on any Day 1 when I am trying my damndest to promote and sustain an environment where POE rules. I am careful with the climate of my game thread especially when I am a civilian because I know all too well how good things can devolve into bad things. And I felt pretty about Day 1.

Now we have new information, sort of, about FG. That means I need to re-orient my view of the game accordingly starting tonight. Sorting you is part of that.

And I like to make things ugly, piss on the furniture, and see who gets mad about it.

[Long Con]

idek i would like her resolved though one way or another

Not by yeet. Other ways are what they are.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m not fully caught up and I don’t have my thoughts solidified on FG’s claim, but I have been an unlynchable Mafia before on this site (Easter Mafia) so it’s not unheard of.

@everyone please claim if you have more than one thing in your role (i.e., miller plus can do something else)

I only have one thing

I’m a miller, with more.

[Hally]

i mean yea ig the only way is viging