Pyre Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

17 sol?

What the fuck.

Go back to math class.

D1: Glory 1.0, Sol 0
N1: Glory 1.0, Sol 3
tutuu dies N1.
D2: Glory 0.5, Sol 5
N2: Glory 0.5, Sol 7
D3: Glory 0.5, Sol 9
N4: Glory 0.5, Sol 11
D5: Glory 0.5, Sol 13
N5: Glory 0.5, Sol 15
D6: Glory 0.7, Sol 17

[MacDougall]

Thought exercise: where have the dead players placed their Hope?

If I died I'd give my hope to Dunya as a peace offering

peace offering for what? :o

I just wish you would stop trying to get me yeeted in every game we play tbh. It doesn't matter what my alignment is you just always go after me. It'd be nice to just town with you one time. You have zero idea how to read me anymore and so you just sub in "Mac is mafia" where it should be "I dunno what Mac is".

I read you just fine last game.

If you scum read me in every game you're gonna be right occasionally.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean uh

You should have accrued 17 sol by now actually that part is correct I think

[Lissa]

i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

[Long Con]

I mean uh

You should have accrued 17 sol by now actually that part is correct I think

Hmm, why do you think she'd deny it?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

Maybe? It read like she was saying all of it to me, idk

[MacDougall]

i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

You're plinko

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean uh

You should have accrued 17 sol by now actually that part is correct I think

Hmm, why do you think she'd deny it?

Idk, it’s reasonably easily tracked so

[dunya]

17 sol?

What the fuck.

Go back to math class.

D1: Glory 1.0, Sol 0
N1: Glory 1.0, Sol 3
tutuu dies N1.
D2: Glory 0.5, Sol 5
N2: Glory 0.5, Sol 7
D3: Glory 0.5, Sol 9
N4: Glory 0.5, Sol 11
D5: Glory 0.5, Sol 13
N5: Glory 0.5, Sol 15
D6: Glory 0.7, Sol 17

I spent my sols after each 2 phases and once, during the day phase. I don't need to tell you where I spent them. But I spent them.

[Lissa]

i don't really think she implied stealing all of the hope? not sure

that'd be more than a bit silly, i figured it was limited

Maybe? It read like she was saying all of it to me, idk

it reads like some kind of partial/limited thing to me but

idk

[dunya]

I mean uh

You should have accrued 17 sol by now actually that part is correct I think

I thought he meant i have 17 now

I didn't count how much I spent tbh

[Long Con]

I agree that you spent them. To increase your Glory.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Doubt we get an answer either way lolol

[dunya]

I agree that you spent them. To increase your Glory.

wrong

I used my role block day 1 and last night. I didn't have enough glory to use it any other nights and it wasn't important to me.

[MacDougall]

why does this game feel so weird when we've yeeted two mafia and we're only on day 6. This should be pretty even atm.

[Lissa]

Doubt we get an answer either way lolol

yeah lol

i doubt it's all tho, that seems rather silly

[Long Con]

I don't really see how Carote and Mac can claim to be blocked and not be suspicious of the blocker.

[MacDougall]

I don't really see how Carote and Mac can claim to be blocked and not be suspicious of the blocker.

hmmm fair point i suppose

[dunya]

I don't really see how Carote and Mac can claim to be blocked and not be suspicious of the blocker.

If I was mafia, why would I claim role blocker?

[dunya]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

why does this game feel so weird when we've yeeted two mafia and we're only on day 6. This should be pretty even atm.

Idk man

Shit’s crazy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

If you started with enough glory I think it might be? Idk I think it’s more likely cayvie can’t be targeted for some reason


What I’m more interested in is that wilgy most likely targeted Mac N3 if carot is town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you start at 1.2...down to .6 after N1...if you saved all your sols you’d have enough to get to 1.3 I think, plus whatever anointment does but I doubt it adds 1.7 lolol

[MacDougall]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

If you started with enough glory I think it might be? Idk I think it’s more likely cayvie can’t be targeted for some reason


What I’m more interested in is that wilgy most likely targeted Mac N3 if carot is town

This is true and I was kinda hoping nobody would mention it cuz it makes me look bad. I don't know why he would have done this outside of the fact that I had been playing pretty bad until then. Or maybe there was a redirect going on. I dunno it was weird for sure.

[dunya]

If you start at 1.2...down to .6 after N1...if you saved all your sols you’d have enough to get to 1.3 I think, plus whatever anointment does but I doubt it adds 1.7 lolol

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So yeah unless marcher and wilgy made up the difference (I...doubt it?), don’t think you could be at 3 shots last night in all likelihood?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

If you started with enough glory I think it might be? Idk I think it’s more likely cayvie can’t be targeted for some reason


What I’m more interested in is that wilgy most likely targeted Mac N3 if carot is town

This is true and I was kinda hoping nobody would mention it cuz it makes me look bad. I don't know why he would have done this outside of the fact that I had been playing pretty bad until then. Or maybe there was a redirect going on. I dunno it was weird for sure.

I...actually think it kinda looks decent for you, tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Carot was claimed by then right?

[dunya]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

If you started with enough glory I think it might be? Idk I think it’s more likely cayvie can’t be targeted for some reason


What I’m more interested in is that wilgy most likely targeted Mac N3 if carot is town

This is true and I was kinda hoping nobody would mention it cuz it makes me look bad. I don't know why he would have done this outside of the fact that I had been playing pretty bad until then. Or maybe there was a redirect going on. I dunno it was weird for sure.

I...actually think it kinda looks decent for you, tbh

Wilgy jailkept his teammate

How is that a good look for Mac?

[bronana]

Carot was claimed by then right?

No

[bronana]

Long con and Mac are wolves cmv

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also please do the math nanook and see if it's possible in any world I have 3 shots now because I find that impossible.

If you started with enough glory I think it might be? Idk I think it’s more likely cayvie can’t be targeted for some reason


What I’m more interested in is that wilgy most likely targeted Mac N3 if carot is town

This is true and I was kinda hoping nobody would mention it cuz it makes me look bad. I don't know why he would have done this outside of the fact that I had been playing pretty bad until then. Or maybe there was a redirect going on. I dunno it was weird for sure.

I...actually think it kinda looks decent for you, tbh

Wilgy jailkept his teammate

How is that a good look for Mac?

It’s not a JK, it only stops things from happening to the target.

Think about why mafia might have wanted to stop something happening to one of two cop claims

It’s kinda WIFOM cause maybe they’re trying to prevent a red tbf

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Carot was claimed by then right?

No

I thought she claimed same day as Mac

Maybe I’m going crazy

[bronana]

Carot was claimed by then right?

No

I thought she claimed same day as Mac

Maybe I’m going crazy

Mac claimed Day 4

[bronana]

wilgy targeting mac n3 seems outing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh man yeah that’s

Rough

For some reason I had it in my head the claims were D3 but my memory is just shoddy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s fucking hard to kill a claimed cop right after their red flipped red tho, tbh

[bronana]

I feel like there's at least some mafia voting for Wilgy. That's the laziest shit I ever seen lol.

Hello everyone!

My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

obviously wilgy is town

marcher already has 4 votes i feel like me voting there would be pretty lame

wilgy ... i dunno he calls me dad and laughed at my jokes i really cant vote there

anyone else?

so like the mafia get to day 3 undamaged and we get dueling mafia wagons on day 3? that sounds like primo bullshit to me. the fact that these are the same two from the past days is also quite ridiculous.

mafia are just dominating here and both of these are town.

I don't follow the logic. Villagers were yeeted over both of them. How does that make them villagers

we have probably just never come close to actually yeeting mafia. The gamestate feels like mafia dominated. We're on day 3 with no mafia flips and we're pushing on the same two people from the first two days. It reminds me of the way Mafia worked Keldeo (town) in the GOC finale I played in last year.

Wilgy and Jovian have both been suspected each day and not gone over. Rather through chance or whatever some other towny goes over on both days. This keeps the easy yeeting alive for a further mislim.

Wilgy feels like a mislim here

I just really don't think Wilgy is mafia. I've seen this whole thing play it before and it ends in a game losing mislim.

idk how DrWilgy got so confident on me at EoD
I wasn't even a wagon, why would I ever make such a sloppy confused counter claim

Pretty decent point

Sorry I been asleep forever I'm sick as hell Wilgy is the red check bye

this just does not seem like a very believable progression to me, looks more like bussing the wolf that was dead in the water for endgame cred cuz your team's in a bad spot

I was wrong. I am justifiably attracting scumreads. If I get yeeted so be it. I'm not gonna let it happen but also I won't be like upset. I'm burned out as fuck lol.

extremely strange thing for a cop to say

[Long Con]

If you start at 1.2...down to .6 after N1...if you saved all your sols you’d have enough to get to 1.3 I think, plus whatever anointment does but I doubt it adds 1.7 lolol

@Long Con

I guess you'd have to believe that no dead players' Hope has gone in any stats, like epignosis put in his rules post. I do not believe that all the Hope was consumed by a third party.

[moth]

hi all. im not really in a bad mood irl. I apologize and certainly hope dunya is ok.

[bronana]

If you start at 1.2...down to .6 after N1...if you saved all your sols you’d have enough to get to 1.3 I think, plus whatever anointment does but I doubt it adds 1.7 lolol

@Long Con

I guess you'd have to believe that no dead players' Hope has gone in any stats, like epignosis put in his rules post. I do not believe that all the Hope was consumed by a third party.

I haven't received any hope afaict

[Long Con]

Well, I tried. I don't know why I bother. If you don't want to yeet dunya, with a couple of better cases against her than I've seen in this game, that's on you. If you want to go with "she just feels town, and Long Con is always bad", that's on you.

I can't decide if I hope town wins or loses at this point, so I'll just split the difference and stop caring. My excitement for this game diminished considerably when my stuff got smashed and my plan went with it, so whatever,

You guys want to know my plan? I promise you don't have to make any judgments about whether it was town or scum.

[mention]cayvie[/mention] WHY did you smash my talismans?

[nutella]

You guys want to know my plan? I promise you don't have to make any judgments about whether it was town or scum.

yes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw LC I’m not dismissing it I just think there’s places I’d go first. If I’m wrong about someone dunya is definitely someone I’ll look closer at.

(Also I’d say the marcher and wilgy cases were pretty good )

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The biggest hurdle for me re: your case is...it relies on her being able to get to 3 glory by N5. She’d have to cover a 1.7 glory gap, which is a bit insignificant gap to cover even if we assume her teammates Hope went to her glory, and she’d have to claim roleblocker knowing that she blocked three people last night. That’s a lot, yeah?

You’d have an easier time convincing me she’s mafia with Mac tbh


I’m also kinda hung up on her wilgy interactions, but idk how much stock to put into that anymore.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbf I don’t have a fantastic handle on how anointing works and whether it gives a weak or substantial benefit, so that’s muddying the waters a bit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m gonna try and actually get some sleep tonight, LC I’m happy to engage with you more about dunya when I wake up

I think there are people scummier than her but if I’m wrong on any idk where scum is so might be good to broaden my horizons a bit lol

[Long Con]

Ok, starting stats:

P: 0.4
Q: 1.6
G: 1.0
H: 0.9

Day 1, I was anointed, giving me +0.2 to Presence, +0.4 to Quickness. +0.2 to Glory, +0.2 to Hope (others who were anointed, were your boosts similar? dunya claims she got +0.1 to her stats, but if no one else got ripped off like that, then she's lying to limit how much we think she can be capable of)

P: 0.6
Q: 2
G: 1.2
H: 1.1
Sol: 3

I didn't think about the stats and the Sol until Day 3, and I asked for an update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 1.8
H: 1.4
Sol: 14

I had received a bonus from nutella's power, including +0.6 to Glory!

I had been thinking about buying the "+1 to each Sol accrual" scroll, but when I saw my Sol at that point I realized that I was awesome, and could do much better. I bought +0.3 to Glory (7 Sol) and +0.2 to Glory (5 Sol).

On Day 4 I asked for an update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 2.3
H: 1.6
Sol: 18

The store had a delicious new item at that point, "Permanently inherit the role ability of someone who has been banished (15 Sol)". I purchased it, and took on Tamitha Theyn's role, and become the new Civilian tracker.

I also inquired if I could buy the same item more than once, which can be done. My plan came together to out myself with the tracking, and then just buy Protection each day for the following night - with my massive Sol accrual, I could keep myself protected indefinitely.

I got upset near the end of Day 4 when some votes started to turn on me in the last minutes. With this plan in mind, I REALLY didn't want to get yeeted right before I could put it into effect. That's why I was like "Please do not yeet me today."

Night 4 I tracked Carote and moth, and neither had done anything that night. (Two trackings because my Glory was higher than 2).

During this time, I discovered a mistake Epi had made with my Sol, and he realized that the way it was written in the first post was not *quite* how he had been doing things, and he made a small correction.

Night 4, my beautiful Talismans were all smashed FOR NO REASON BY CAYVIE.

Day 5 update:

P: 0.7
Q: 2.1
G: 0.9
H: 1.7

Sol: 13

No more tracker ability. Not even 1 trigger of my night ability. I bought some Glory to get me above 1.0, and the scroll of +1 Sol.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope you can empathize with me about the excitement for the plan, and the despair that followed.

[Long Con]

The biggest hurdle for me re: your case is...it relies on her being able to get to 3 glory by N5. She’d have to cover a 1.7 glory gap, which is a bit insignificant gap to cover even if we assume her teammates Hope went to her glory, and she’d have to claim roleblocker knowing that she blocked three people last night. That’s a lot, yeah?

You’d have an easier time convincing me she’s mafia with Mac tbh


I’m also kinda hung up on her wilgy interactions, but idk how much stock to put into that anymore.

Actually, I think it's more likely that she has only two blocks, and that she is partnered with Mac or Carote.

[Long Con]

Tbf I don’t have a fantastic handle on how anointing works and whether it gives a weak or substantial benefit, so that’s muddying the waters a bit

I showed my anointing benefits in my long post there. dunya claims she got +0.1 to each stat, which is considerably lower than I got. If anyone else was anointed, I'd love to hear their take on it, because dunya has to be lying about that shitty anointing.