The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[protocultures]

this is all perfectly reasonable. i don't know why you were so hesitant to just post this or something similar originally. thank you though for engaging

because it's not alignment indicative, it's basically just fluff and if i hadn't posted anything proto would have come eventually come around to town-reading me anyway.

Too late, prob gonna tunnel you another day at least now.

[protocultures]

cobbler - gut scum read

is there anything in particular that contributed to this read that i can address?

irrespective of alignment, I love this approach to forum mafia. so much.

mood?

[tutuu]

hillo

happy to have rolld town. been years since ive played as maf. if i could roll town for the rest of my life i wouldnt even complain. here is a wholesome meme i just sent a friend who asked me to try to cheer her up

Spoiler: show

Let's be friends please.

ily

[tutuu]

mm my eyes started glazing over towards the last part of day 1. i will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

i keep rolling around in my head the idea to townread urist but im not feeling it. or like i feel some paranoia about it. i wanna be correct i dont wanna make one single wrong read

i feel 0 paranoia about MP7 being town

Talk to me more about this. Is this 0 paranoia Day 1 level, or in general, or... ?

i thought u were really towny

[protocultures]

[Wall]

A couple of things. I give town reads (or scum reads) if I have them early game. Doesn't always happen, just if I get a feeling for someone (easier with meta). Anyway, I think I had like 7 town reads on D0 in Space Invaders and they were all correct. Not saying this is always going to happen, I'm not that magical, but it is possible to read people off of small things and details, which is often how I get my reads early on (and probably how I should get most of my reads for the whole game which I'm definitely alive for. I'm also not open wolfing, I'm just in love with Scar. Let me feel my oats. I'm actually open towning. =p

I'm going to be transparent with you and say that I didn't actually scum read you off of zero posts lol. I just thought you were a player likely to give some reaction or take it more seriously. And you're reaction was kind of feeling out if I was serious and kind of saying I shouldn't keep doing it.Which we'll see. =) What I will say is that you seem very self aware here. I wish I had seen your scum game, cause I remember you saying you weren't past your scum range at a point last game where I felt you were past most people's scum game.

Also, I disagree with your read on Scirrus for those things and that saying you're happy to be town is scummy in general. I actually think the opposite usually. Depends on how genuine it seems, but I know a lot of players who prefer town much more than scum, myself included. Scirrus should do things though, but he vibes like normal Scirrus to me. But we have all the time in the world to figure this out.

Small thing, but why is would it be a problem to explain why you potentially flipped a read? Can't you just explain why you flipped it? Really not trying to throw shade here, but it's just confusing to me. I know we have very different styles, so I'm more so trying to get even more into how you think about the game.

Gut town reading Dizzy a bit more for the "Small thing" part. I'm not sure wolf Dizzy thinks to say that, and even if so, not sure if it would be posted anyway.

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] More to respond to dizzys query here, its because I cant justify my GTH read. I could write something, but it would be insincere. I cant really mentally justify the townread if I had to pick an alignment, its just a feeling. I can explain why I flipped it (if I later scumread them), but I couldnt explain the original read, especially if asked later in the game as to my state of mind on day 0.

[protocultures]

I'll say more things eventually.

Im starting to get a PR read from LC now. Intentionally coasting to be unlikely to be voted since we HAVE to leave them in the "sort later" pile.

could also just be scummy.

town LC could just try to hyper town and risk being scumread as a vanilla town.

[protocultures]

Dyslexicon - confusing for me. Need to sort later. Giving out townreads like candy. Apparently this is in line with their townplay meta. Alison can confirm/correct me on this since they did a meta dive in Space Invaders, although they were mafia in that game. Dizzy scumreading me for not posting a wall (here it is buddy) is... confusing. I kind of read it as a trap post, rather than an actual scumread on me. I think Dizzy wants to find scum by seeing who agrees with the read that I am scum for not having posted a wall yet. If they keep pushing me for not writing mechanical walls, I would kind of scumread them, but I think they will back off this strat anyway now I have called it out as a potential tactic.

Kind of openwolfing maybe with all the scar references (roleclaiming characters is not allowed so not sure how much they are flirting with that rule). Feel pretty safe that they wouldnt kill me Night 1 since although I am now new to Syndicate, I am still new enough they would give me a N1 pass. Not 100% on that. A bit selfish of me to put this out there because now there are wifom reasons to keep me alive if they are mafia, but ho hum, I need my forum mafia fix and I like still being in the game.

I can confirm that he does that with early town reads. That's the way most of the strong town players on our site play. They're all about forming town cores early and solving through POE. Hally does that as well (not sure if you've played with them yet). Having everyone as null or focusing mostly on pushing scum reads isn't isn't as effective because it doesn't focus on building trust within the town.

Scirrus - I read as hard scum.

"Lol I love this. Are you town? It would be cool if you are " - scummy imo

"(I swear if you let me get misyeeted this game I will have give you the worst berating a 9 can possibly give)" - implying town alignment again

" I hope we get to both be town again too! But only time will tell I suppose " - implying town alignment again

liking Urist for asking if they should wait to give townreads is weird to me. Someone asking if they should wait to give reads is more likely mafia trying to avoid giving reads for as long as possible to make their alignment more difficult to determine.

"Wouldn't it be awesome if we were all town" - implying town again

How is that first sentence scummy? if you're gonna call me hard scum I'd think you should have something a little more developed than that

Disagree on Urist. Mafia would generally be more self-aware than that imo. They would ask their scummates in scumchat, not ask a question to the thread that makes them look bad.

Overall I dislike the spamming of posts which just repeat that they are town, and how great it is to be town, and hoping others are town with them.

Explain what is scummy about this. I'm curious

I like being town and I'm not sorry about it

Urist - I take the song as slightly scummy if anything. Reasoning? Trying too hard.

They scumread dizzy as 99% mafia. Not sure how they can do that this early. Reeks of a fake read or bussing for credit.

Softing PR this early is also kid of scummy imo. Its bad if you are really PR, and Urist is pretty good at mafia from looking at the insane setup they created on 451, and its confusing for town if you are softing as a vanilla town, and makes it more likely to make a real PR pressured to out. Overall I hate it.

"I am town, and yes it's very cool. I get so emotionally exhausted when playing scum, it's ridic. Glad I don't have to do that here" - dislike statements like these and read them as slightly scummy, might just need to get some more forum games under my belt since I seem to see a lot of these "phew im so glad im town" posts on day 1 in forum games.

Eh, vanilla town soft PR roles all the time, or try to make themselves seem like they are a a PR, to draw the NK and protect the real PRs. Hard claiming is different though.

I don't really get your reads. I don't like that you have any town reads other then a null to town

I'm not exactly sure what the mafia motivation for you to narrate what you plan to do is though. Like narrating that you will scum read dizzy if he keeps doing X where obviously he can read this.

it feels like gaslighting to constantly remind the other players that you are town. Its why I read it scummy. Your later posts make you less scummy though so i need to come to a conclusion later in D1.

i dont plan as much as people think. I just dump into the forum whatever I think at the time. I think is more important to be townread than try to be too smart and catch mafia, because even if you catch mafia, its no good unless you can convince other town that you are town that caught mafia. This leaves me catching mafia through POE.

[tutuu]

scirrus is maybe the top poster but i dont feel like he has given me the "key" to unlock the "door" to his "mind" and figure out how he works. i cant get a read on him

gun to my head i dont have a read on dizzy as well and i wished this wasnt so since he wasnt hard at all to townread last game. this could be on my part (paranoia that i might be wrong) (or paranoia that i might be overestimating myself and "spreading myself too thin" which might result in inaccurate reads if i try too hard). i dunno

my biggest focus this game will be trying to read alison. i really wish that if shes scum i can catch her. this is me reading all of alison's posts carefully and trying to catch her scumslip

Do you have any questions for me? I'm not sure really how to address this or if I even can, lol.

I feel like I'm more or less an open book when I play but apparently others don't see it. Maybe it's bc I'm new, dunno

What made DIzzy easy to read for you last game?

cant rly think of questions sorry

and i think what made dizzy easy to read is partly butting heads with i forgot who and partly idk honestly. cant verbalize

[protocultures]

On a skim of lavenders posts, I disagree with a lot of it but read them likely town. I confirm reaction testing and doing non standard plays is within his town meta. It's within their maf meta too, but I lean it town for now.

how would you differentiate a mafia reaction test from a town one

I cant. Lavender does lavender things. Reaction tests is one of them.

if anything, I think mafia lavender plays slightly more standard than town lavender.

[tutuu]

mp7 is so innocent omg

i read her town irl

[protocultures]

On a skim of lavenders posts, I disagree with a lot of it but read them likely town. I confirm reaction testing and doing non standard plays is within his town meta. It's within their maf meta too, but I lean it town for now.

Do you mind elaborating on this for me if you can? Thanks proto!

Hopefully pointed out the bits I disagree with from Lavender's post.

The fact that they are doing so many reaction tests kind of makes it more likely lavender is town, because i assume that mafia lavender would be worried that it would look too scummy to be doing 180s on his reads and claiming "reaction check".

[tutuu]

i doubt it was a scumslip cob =))

i agree it's unlikely. i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up. but i have to be honest about it and say that i had a very visceral reaction to reading it

you can be town for the "i was waiting to see if anyone else brought it up"

(to clarify, im highly sure all of us perceived dizzy's sentence as a townread. i think you entertaining the possibility of someone else bringing it up as a potential scumslip is actually extraordinarily towny. i think its unlikely if u are scum u came up with that out of everything else u could have come up with)

Why do you think that sentiment is townie?

because its too bizzarre to be manufactured

[protocultures]

On a skim of lavenders posts, I disagree with a lot of it but read them likely town. I confirm reaction testing and doing non standard plays is within his town meta. It's within their maf meta too, but I lean it town for now.

we both hard tr tutuu, i'd argue that's a pretty big commonality (since we also agreed on that before urist posted their tr on tutuu)

what do u most disagree with about my hot reads

Oh wait i'm wrong, urist's tr on tutuu came before urs

ergo

i don't trust u

you never trust me, and rightly so.

[Long Con]

I'll say more things eventually.

Im starting to get a PR read from LC now. Intentionally coasting to be unlikely to be voted since we HAVE to leave them in the "sort later" pile.

could also just be scummy.

town LC could just try to hyper town and risk being scumread as a vanilla town.

Don't go getting crazy now. I could go "hyper town" but that's not really my style. I'm in two other games right now, and I'm just giving the light touch in this one for now.

[protocultures]

scirrus is maybe the top poster but i dont feel like he has given me the "key" to unlock the "door" to his "mind" and figure out how he works. i cant get a read on him

gun to my head i dont have a read on dizzy as well and i wished this wasnt so since he wasnt hard at all to townread last game. this could be on my part (paranoia that i might be wrong) (or paranoia that i might be overestimating myself and "spreading myself too thin" which might result in inaccurate reads if i try too hard). i dunno

my biggest focus this game will be trying to read alison. i really wish that if shes scum i can catch her. this is me reading all of alison's posts carefully and trying to catch her scumslip

Do you have any questions for me? I'm not sure really how to address this or if I even can, lol.

I feel like I'm more or less an open book when I play but apparently others don't see it. Maybe it's bc I'm new, dunno

What made DIzzy easy to read for you last game?

Scirrus what are your top scum reads and why.

[tutuu]

MP7 tr for her excitement to start the game and inquisitiveness (is that a word?) to get the ball rolling and stuff

mm my eyes started glazing over towards the last part of day 1. i will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

i keep rolling around in my head the idea to townread urist but im not feeling it. or like i feel some paranoia about it. i wanna be correct i dont wanna make one single wrong read

i feel 0 paranoia about MP7 being town

This is also a selfish read, and those are... ughhh, but. I'm not sure how to feel about this read. I also haven't gotten any sense that tutuu has developed it since that initial read, which is a bit notable given I am the top poster, but I also realize my entrance and re-entrance were spaced out.

Those are ughhh what?

How could i have developed anything when we werent itt at the same time?

I feel like ur on way to start tunneling me lol

[protocultures]

Yeah I have no idea how to read Alison lolololol

If she's scum it will be hard as fuck to bring her down though, I feel. Let's hope she's not

Hey Scirrus, what would your POE look like right now? Or maybe I should ask for non-POE / town reads list?

I'm still catching up but i tr

tutuu, urist, cobbler, and you?

i'm liking dizzy's thoughts so i think i'll put him in there too

i wanna hear proto's response to my questions but i'm like ehhhhhhh. i think the way he delivers his thoughts is a little odd for scum though. I have this feeling he may hold his thoughts closer to his chest as scum but it's just speculation really
Also in my experience town tends to gun for town me with more vigor than scum does. (Funnygirl last game lol)

I don't tr alison so far, michelle's entrance post was pretty meh, long con also meh, everyone else hasn't posted yet i think? from where i'm at in the thread

post that makes me townread Scirrus the most, the only thing I find alarming is the willingness to townread Urist so much and kind of hard townshield them.

[tutuu]

In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh

I'm pretty torn. I really like some of their stuff. I thought the treatment of Alison specifically was sketch though, especially since the approach clashes hard with other reads given... which may reek of TMI.

I'm not sure, but... I wanted to get some thoughts there. Maybe I'm crazy.

Realistically im not sure if there can be something substantiative i can latch onto wrt reading alison. she is one of the best players in the mafia alignment in my opinion. my only option is to go with gut with her or at least thats how i feel

[tutuu]

tutuu's tone is just so towny lol

if she ever flips scum I will not trust her ever again, i'll say that much

WOW

[protocultures]

im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"

listen to your heart

I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.

In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

mood broken!

why tutuu?

[protocultures]

M+ what are your reads looking like? I'll reverse your question to me back on to you

Things are still in flux... but right now I like you, Dizzy, and Urist as my top 3 town. I think cobbler also looks pretty good. I probably wouldn't want to yeet proto today either.

After that it gets tougher. I have mixed feelings on tutuu. I'll have to try to devote more headspace to the other players.

dont want to yeet you either today

[Long Con]

MP7 tr for her excitement to start the game and inquisitiveness (is that a word?) to get the ball rolling and stuff

mm my eyes started glazing over towards the last part of day 1. i will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

i keep rolling around in my head the idea to townread urist but im not feeling it. or like i feel some paranoia about it. i wanna be correct i dont wanna make one single wrong read

i feel 0 paranoia about MP7 being town

This is also a selfish read, and those are... ughhh, but. I'm not sure how to feel about this read. I also haven't gotten any sense that tutuu has developed it since that initial read, which is a bit notable given I am the top poster, but I also realize my entrance and re-entrance were spaced out.

Those are ughhh what?

How could i have developed anything when we werent itt at the same time?

I feel like ur on way to start tunneling me lol

Why is the read selfish?

[tutuu]

ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

yep, was a joke, just like the alison post

why would you dislike it even if u see it as a joke?

i have problems to understand jokes English is not my first language

aw thats alright

[protocultures]

In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh

MOOD

[tutuu]

MP7 tr for her excitement to start the game and inquisitiveness (is that a word?) to get the ball rolling and stuff

mm my eyes started glazing over towards the last part of day 1. i will need to eat breakfast first and focus.

i keep rolling around in my head the idea to townread urist but im not feeling it. or like i feel some paranoia about it. i wanna be correct i dont wanna make one single wrong read

i feel 0 paranoia about MP7 being town

This is also a selfish read, and those are... ughhh, but. I'm not sure how to feel about this read. I also haven't gotten any sense that tutuu has developed it since that initial read, which is a bit notable given I am the top poster, but I also realize my entrance and re-entrance were spaced out.

Those are ughhh what?

How could i have developed anything when we werent itt at the same time?

I feel like ur on way to start tunneling me lol

Why is the read selfish?

well ask her not me lolol

[tutuu]

In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I am confusion. Tutu is one of my strongest town reads tbh tbh

MOOD

man LMFAO

proto just cracks me up so much this game LOL

[tutuu]

Oh right business talk (im even bringing out the punctuation for this one).

I just woke up and just skimmed all walls and stuff. No opinion on ppls reads and stuff. Will pay more attention later when i reread. Especially to Scirrus. If hes town i wanna do him justice and not just vote him without actively trying to find him town.

[protocultures]

Actually oh boy, I didn't realize we started at 7:00 PM. I do not have enough time for the day 1 because my work ends at 5PM tomorrow so I will have only two hours, should I DM and have someone replace me?

this guy is like lock town.

bit of background on 1612. Nicest guy ever. Also, fabulous hair. Just amazing. The best. We often have to wait for him to finish blowdrying it before we can start a voice mafia game with him. We wait for him because hes awesome.

So anyway, if he was mafia, he would just skip sleep and post so as to not let down his mafia team. He is only floating the idea of having someone else sub in because he is town and doesnt feel like he would be letting down a team.

my 2 cents, take it or leave it since its basically an entirely OGI read.

[protocultures]

The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

[Tangrowth]

I was hoping to hop back in here before tomorrow, but I'm way more tired than anticipated.

I should be able to threadsit for a few hours prior to EoD at a minimum, hehe. Hope everyone has a good night!

[protocultures]

I decided after isoing Urist.

A lot of posts. A lot of them unrelated to the game, not seeking to solve other player alignment, or allowing others to solve their alignment.

I will probably be wrong as usual on my scumread, and should have followed the wisdom of crowds to vote scirrus or michelle, but I dont scumread them the most, so I need to just go with my own read.

I assume I can still change my vote later if more posts are created which changes my mind.

[tutuu]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

Spoiler: show

[jeraldooo]

@jeraldooo

You post smells like fear buddy. Fear of being sniffed out as mafia. Are you mafia? ARE YOU MAFIA?

Also any reads?

Dude proto stop bussing me so hard xD but ngl i realize ima struggle with this cuz i tend to forget things like this happen and then the logs are backed up for an entire day. Rn i have no reads but lemme read into the logs and i'll let yall know what i come up with.

[jeraldooo]

Mp and dizzy could be paired (seems like partner on partner interactions),
proto - light town due to the reads given that the evidence was good (can still change),
cobbler - light town for compiling a list of sr’s for everyone (could be NAI but for rn light town),
Lavender - seems like towny lav to me from previous games. Reaction testing and all. Seems very confident and makes me believe he’s town.

dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.

Townreads: Lav, proto, cobbler ||
Mafreads: Mp and dizzy, dexslexicon and tutu ||
Nullreads: everybody else ||
Paired: ||
Not Paired: Scirrus and proto, dislexycon ||

Sorry these notes were a lil rushed i almost fell asleep working with them.

[tutuu]

interesting

[Dyslexicon]

ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

yep, was a joke, just like the alison post

why would you dislike it even if u see it as a joke?

i have problems to understand jokes English is not my first language

Not trying to be rude here, but I don't really see what English as a second language have to do with this. You said you saw it as a joke in your initial reaction to it, so I saying later you have problems understanding jokes just seems like [excuse] and sidestepping the question tbh. One "foreigner" to another. Sorry if it's legit, but that is my reaction.

imagine sucking so bad the one person who has played a lot with you misreads you

To be fair i haven't had a good game in a long time so I shouldn't be too surprised

I'm a bit tilted by this reaction for some reason. It's like you're just taking a seat and giving up lol. Actually, I did not scum read you. BUT when I considered to pretend to do it I kind of talked myself into seeing it as possible. I kind of think some of your catching up was pretty generic and just standard "this is good town play" kind of things. I also get all the pings from how Proto is talking about you. First having you as a strong suspect for what I considered pretty weird things, like the strength of the accusation didn't match what he read you off of, and now backing off of it when you're actually a wagon. He also said he would vote Urist or Scirrus, which pinged distancing to me. BUT this isn't really about you lol. I just want to state this here in case one of you flip scum at a point, cause then I think that interaction is worth looking into. I actually did town read you at the start of the game though, that was my first instinct, and I didn't really mean for this vote to be anything more than shenanigans at first. It's like I reaction tested myself. Wow I broke mafia.

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.

Michelle

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33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

What do you two see in Scirrus?

Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This is a spicy vote. If Michelle flips red, I kind of want to consider Alison as maf.

This probably makes no sense to anyone else.

Alison voting Michelle here, I cant track the logic. We usually think similarly on things. Michelle hasnt given enough content to find them as the best vote D1 imo.

To be clear, is it the lack of content that makes Michelle an unattractive vote to you? Or do you think it's unlikely she will flip scum?
I don't see why this is a spicy vote at all. And yeah, the Michelle/Alison link does not make sense to me, and I also don't undestand why you think this after reading this post. So can you elaborate?

Too late, prob gonna tunnel you another day at least now.

Why tho

@Dyslexicon More to respond to dizzys query here, its because I cant justify my GTH read. I could write something, but it would be insincere. I cant really mentally justify the townread if I had to pick an alignment, its just a feeling. I can explain why I flipped it (if I later scumread them), but I couldnt explain the original read, especially if asked later in the game as to my state of mind on day 0.

Alright. I can see this as just play style difference I guess. For me, I don't worry too much about presentation as town, and maybe I worry about it too little. I kind of just write what I think, and a lot of the time I'm not even clear on what I think, and things get messy. But I actually prefer the "mess" and I'm pretty sure I usually find it easier to read when people have messier presentations. And I'm noticing this gets really technical and probably not that important. Truth is, I'm pretty suspicious of you, spoiler alert. And I'm trying to understand how you play even more to also be able to understand how you play as scum.

Im starting to get a PR read from LC now. Intentionally coasting to be unlikely to be voted since we HAVE to leave them in the "sort later" pile.

could also just be scummy.

town LC could just try to hyper town and risk being scumread as a vanilla town.

And on the topic of "anti-town behavior". Pointing out that you read someone as PR is pretty much ALWAYS bad if you are town. Let mafia figure that shit out. You're basically just painting targets on people's backs. And if you really think LC is PR, then why would you do that? Not saying I agree with you and LC, I think he just hasn't gotten into the game and can be anything.

Don't go getting crazy now. I could go "hyper town" but that's not really my style. I'm in two other games right now, and I'm just giving the light touch in this one for now.

But I want you to get into this game. Why don't you think about ME? =(

tutuu's tone is just so towny lol

if she ever flips scum I will not trust her ever again, i'll say that much

WOW

this guy is like lock town.

bit of background on 1612. Nicest guy ever. Also, fabulous hair. Just amazing. The best. We often have to wait for him to finish blowdrying it before we can start a voice mafia game with him. We wait for him because hes awesome.

So anyway, if he was mafia, he would just skip sleep and post so as to not let down his mafia team. He is only floating the idea of having someone else sub in because he is town and doesnt feel like he would be letting down a team.

my 2 cents, take it or leave it since its basically an entirely OGI read.

Fabulous hair you say? Pics or it didn't happen. =p
But also, I must rant because I must, because I don't understand the sentiment that it would be worse to leave your mafia team behind than your town team behind. Town is also a team. I just don't get why players in general would be more worried to let down their scum team than their town team. Town is not a second grade alignment dammit TEAM SPIRIT. I've just seen this sentiment a billion times and I'm so over it. I know it's a thing, I just don't like it. You may be correct that he's town and this may be a thing for him. I just can't seem to not pick a fight with you over theoretical stuff. =p

I decided after isoing Urist.

A lot of posts. A lot of them unrelated to the game, not seeking to solve other player alignment, or allowing others to solve their alignment.

I will probably be wrong as usual on my scumread, and should have followed the wisdom of crowds to vote scirrus or michelle, but I dont scumread them the most, so I need to just go with my own read.

I assume I can still change my vote later if more posts are created which changes my mind.

This is a scum post.

[Dyslexicon]

Mp and dizzy could be paired (seems like partner on partner interactions),
proto - light town due to the reads given that the evidence was good (can still change),
cobbler - light town for compiling a list of sr’s for everyone (could be NAI but for rn light town),
Lavender - seems like towny lav to me from previous games. Reaction testing and all. Seems very confident and makes me believe he’s town.

dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.

Townreads: Lav, proto, cobbler ||
Mafreads: Mp and dizzy, dexslexicon and tutu ||
Nullreads: everybody else ||
Paired: ||
Not Paired: Scirrus and proto, dislexycon ||

Sorry these notes were a lil rushed i almost fell asleep working with them.

Ok, you need more words. What, specifically, do you find scummy about me? Why is my town read on Tutu bad? I'm pretty sure Proto also said he has a town read on Tutu, so is that not bad too? I also have reasoning for that town read.

What are your reasons for scum reading MP and Tutu?

[Dyslexicon]

In fact omgus the house down boots

[VOTE: Jeraldooo] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

I think my preferred lynches for today are Jeraldo, Proto and Michelle. Maybe I'm too omgus, but I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Would like to hear what people who know Jeraldo thinks.

[Dyslexicon]

Meh

[VOTE: Proto] aubergine

This was what I wanted to do before that post.

But more words please, Jeraldo. You don't know me at all, so I'm curious to see what makes me scum to you.

[Dyslexicon]

I read through Scirrus's iso, and I think he's probably town. He says a couple of things that I think he just doesn't say as scum. For example saying I shouldn't misyeet him this game so early before he's seen my reaction to him. And also other things that I'd rather keep to myself cause it's part of a whole thing which I use when I read him =p Maybe I'm giving his scum play too little cred, but I just feel like he's hitting some real town notes so to speak. And my first gut reaction was that he was town, so probably better to just go with that. The only thing I really dislike is interaction with Proto and how much he says ehhhhh in talking about him. And I do think it's likely that Proto is scum here so ehhhhh. I wouldn't want to lynch Scirrus today either way, speaking just for me, as I'm more confident I can get a good read on him eventually if he's scum. And nobody would kill me N1 here on Cindy Kate anymore, cause that is so cliché and we're more mature than that. Thank you. I guess in summary my gut still says town for the few things he's said that I think is very unlikely to come from a scum!Scirrus.

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, [mention]Urist[/mention], where are you at with reads atm? Cause I can't really recall a picture of where you're at and I would like to know. Spill the juicy gossip plz

[Dyslexicon]

I have some pretty compelling tinfoils right now, but we're not going to talk about that.

[Dyslexicon]

What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh

[Dyslexicon]

Why is mafia so much more interesting than work? Not fair

[Urist]

The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

the self-awareness is uncanny
i personally believe you're town tho

[Urist]

What do you two see in Scirrus?

His vote on Michelle is wrong. He spends a lot of time hemming and hawing on Alison, then votes with her on Michelle. I would be fine with this if it were a "One of Alison or Michelle are likely to be scum", but it isn't. His vote on Michelle is not based on much. Which I would also be fine with, if he weren't voting alongside the person he was suspicious of.

[protocultures]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This is a spicy vote. If Michelle flips red, I kind of want to consider Alison as maf.

This probably makes no sense to anyone else.

Alison voting Michelle here, I cant track the logic. We usually think similarly on things. Michelle hasnt given enough content to find them as the best vote D1 imo.

To be clear, is it the lack of content that makes Michelle an unattractive vote to you? Or do you think it's unlikely she will flip scum?
I don't see why this is a spicy vote at all. And yeah, the Michelle/Alison link does not make sense to me, and I also don't undestand why you think this after reading this post. So can you elaborate?

Too late, prob gonna tunnel you another day at least now.

Why tho

@Dyslexicon More to respond to dizzys query here, its because I cant justify my GTH read. I could write something, but it would be insincere. I cant really mentally justify the townread if I had to pick an alignment, its just a feeling. I can explain why I flipped it (if I later scumread them), but I couldnt explain the original read, especially if asked later in the game as to my state of mind on day 0.

Alright. I can see this as just play style difference I guess. For me, I don't worry too much about presentation as town, and maybe I worry about it too little. I kind of just write what I think, and a lot of the time I'm not even clear on what I think, and things get messy. But I actually prefer the "mess" and I'm pretty sure I usually find it easier to read when people have messier presentations. And I'm noticing this gets really technical and probably not that important. Truth is, I'm pretty suspicious of you, spoiler alert. And I'm trying to understand how you play even more to also be able to understand how you play as scum.

Im starting to get a PR read from LC now. Intentionally coasting to be unlikely to be voted since we HAVE to leave them in the "sort later" pile.

could also just be scummy.

town LC could just try to hyper town and risk being scumread as a vanilla town.

And on the topic of "anti-town behavior". Pointing out that you read someone as PR is pretty much ALWAYS bad if you are town. Let mafia figure that shit out. You're basically just painting targets on people's backs. And if you really think LC is PR, then why would you do that? Not saying I agree with you and LC, I think he just hasn't gotten into the game and can be anything.

Don't go getting crazy now. I could go "hyper town" but that's not really my style. I'm in two other games right now, and I'm just giving the light touch in this one for now.

But I want you to get into this game. Why don't you think about ME? =(

tutuu's tone is just so towny lol

if she ever flips scum I will not trust her ever again, i'll say that much

WOW

this guy is like lock town.

bit of background on 1612. Nicest guy ever. Also, fabulous hair. Just amazing. The best. We often have to wait for him to finish blowdrying it before we can start a voice mafia game with him. We wait for him because hes awesome.

So anyway, if he was mafia, he would just skip sleep and post so as to not let down his mafia team. He is only floating the idea of having someone else sub in because he is town and doesnt feel like he would be letting down a team.

my 2 cents, take it or leave it since its basically an entirely OGI read.

Fabulous hair you say? Pics or it didn't happen. =p
But also, I must rant because I must, because I don't understand the sentiment that it would be worse to leave your mafia team behind than your town team behind. Town is also a team. I just don't get why players in general would be more worried to let down their scum team than their town team. Town is not a second grade alignment dammit TEAM SPIRIT. I've just seen this sentiment a billion times and I'm so over it. I know it's a thing, I just don't like it. You may be correct that he's town and this may be a thing for him. I just can't seem to not pick a fight with you over theoretical stuff. =p

I decided after isoing Urist.

A lot of posts. A lot of them unrelated to the game, not seeking to solve other player alignment, or allowing others to solve their alignment.

I will probably be wrong as usual on my scumread, and should have followed the wisdom of crowds to vote scirrus or michelle, but I dont scumread them the most, so I need to just go with my own read.

I assume I can still change my vote later if more posts are created which changes my mind.

This is a scum post.

I wish you posted separately so it's easier to reply on mobile but let me try work through this.

No idea what Michelle flips. Not enough content to gauge alignment. Similar position to LC imo. I think Alison would think the same, but I may be mistaken. I have never seen Alison's town game.

Why do I want to sus Alison more if Michelle flips red? I read this as potential distancing/bussing from Alison. It seemed unlikely that Michelle goes over and Alison could get credit in later days for an early vote in Michelle. We in tinfoil territory and it prob won't make sense to other people even after I explain it. Also if Alison does flip red, I would also be wary of tutuu just in case their interactions were scum theatre.

Pinging people out as PR or mafia, but not vanilla town is pretty common in my mafia experience. I don't view it particularly anti town because when I am PR I will sometimes do this to sacrifice someone else to the mafia team. Make of that what you will.

Mafia has a team to find PRs. Our PRs don't and are operating solo. If there is a saving role, it helps them identify who they might want to save. Pinging it out makes it less likely mafia try for that kill because a save might be on them. I don't think it's purely anti town to identify PR or mafia reads. We will just have to disagree on this.

Your mafia team is small and identified. Your town team is large and diffuse because they can't identify eachother. The collective responsibility means it's easier to walk away. You can rant I'm still wrong, but this is my take on 1612's hypothetical decision making process.

You think my reasoning to vote Urist is scummy. Look at my day 1 in space invaders and reasoning there. I think it's pretty similar.

[Urist]

Actually, @Urist, where are you at with reads atm? Cause I can't really recall a picture of where you're at and I would like to know. Spill the juicy gossip plz

For now I'll say that my preferred banishments are Scirrus or Alison, in that order.
I'm also ok with a compromise banishment on any of the low posters, in no particular order: 1612, jeraldooo, Long Con.

Not really interested in voting for anyone else, I'll keep my town reads to myself for the moment though because otherwise I'd likely have to justify them and I'm not down for that atm. :P If you're really interested you can probably tell based on my interactions with people.