The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[protocultures]

im kinda vibing with alisons posts

i have no idea if i can read her of i will ever be able to read her but my heart is just telling me "alison town"

listen to your heart

I'm not sure why, but my gut mildly thinks this sounds w/w. Huh.

I think it's mostly due to the extreme hedging in tutuu's post when otherwise she's been less like that with other reads, perhaps indicating she has TMI about other players and is trying to have it both ways with a wolfmate here.

In fact, you know what? Let's see what happens here.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

So now day 1 has finished, can you explain why you did this? Was it to generate reads or you actually held a scum view in tutuu at the time?

[protocultures]

MP7 D1 vibes reads

Strong town
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Urist

Moderate town
cobbler
protocultures

Slight town
Alison

Mind vs. gut battle
tutuu

POE
1612
jeraldooo
Lavender
Long Con
Michelle

This is how I'm feeling right now. Players are sorted across tiers, but alphabetically within them.

I almost want to give LC a slight town read, but I'm awaiting more data. I need to go back and look at Lavender again but eh. 1612, jeraldo, and Michelle have essentially no content to judge.

It almost feels probable I'm wrong about one of my town reads, but that's okay. The game doesn't need to be solved right now!

Can you tell us/me about your mafia meta? Do you hard protect partners or bus them to distance. How do you react with newer players as team mates. Do you hard protect or bus. If a team mate is under heavy pressure do you cut them loose and bus or try and reform towncore to include them and ride or die.

I realised it was so easy to ignore/townread you because you are so nice and polite all the time. Not a bad thing for life, but it inherently biases me to think you can't be scum. I shouldn't have that mindset at all.

Can you point to one or two things people have done to explain each read? You can ignore the Poe list because I understand why they are in your Poe.

[Alison]

dizzy is GOAT, please dont make him feel bad.

his heart was telling him to vote alison. i insisted that he sheeped me. i was the direct cause of him becoming stressed and conflicted.

No, it's a bad habit of mine. If I freak out at EoD and don't know what to do I sometimes just shut down and go for the easiest solution emotionally, which is the one where I feel I have the least amount of responsibility for the flip. And I should know better. It's a stupid ego thing, and I normally try to not act like that.

I don't really think this is within Dizzy's scum range to fake

[Alison]

can proto and alison be mafia together?
i suppose the only reason for why i'm saying no here is because proto put an l-2 vote on alison, but the wagon quickly disintegrated afterward so it's not like it was that big a deal if they were both mafia.

If proto was scum with me, they wouldn't know the wagon was going to disintegrate - it did so as a result of pressure from tutuu, who you think is town.

[Alison]

This reasoning for townreading someone and pocketing someone at the same time is the exact same thing Alison did to Epi. Identify something, tell people it's a thing, and then say the person they townread for doing the thing, didn't tell them about it and so is not doing it intentionally, and justifying the townread on that basis.

@Dyslexicon @tutuu

Is this ringing any bells. Not 100% sure it was epi but this logic has been applied by mafia Alison in a recent game to justify a townread on town and pocket them simultaneously.

Spoiler: I use similar logic as town or scum, because when I am scum, I try to pretend to be town. :P

[Alison]

[mention]dunya[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] How do I get nanook's ISO? Only LC's is listed in the front page.

[tutuu]

you can open your own ISO and replace Alison with NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME in the URL. just tried it and it works

[protocultures]

Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.

Michelle

2

33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Continuing my read through, why didn't you vote tutuu as your too sus for day 1. Seems a little opportunistic to jump on a bandwagon doesn't it?

[protocultures]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This is a spicy vote. If Michelle flips red, I kind of want to consider Alison as maf.

This probably makes no sense to anyone else.

Alison voting Michelle here, I cant track the logic. We usually think similarly on things. Michelle hasnt given enough content to find them as the best vote D1 imo.

I backtrack my own post on my second read of day 1 (WIP). I can see why Alison is voting Michelle and it doesn't make them partners.

[protocultures]

[Wall]

A couple of things. I give town reads (or scum reads) if I have them early game. Doesn't always happen, just if I get a feeling for someone (easier with meta). Anyway, I think I had like 7 town reads on D0 in Space Invaders and they were all correct. Not saying this is always going to happen, I'm not that magical, but it is possible to read people off of small things and details, which is often how I get my reads early on (and probably how I should get most of my reads for the whole game which I'm definitely alive for. I'm also not open wolfing, I'm just in love with Scar. Let me feel my oats. I'm actually open towning. =p

I'm going to be transparent with you and say that I didn't actually scum read you off of zero posts lol. I just thought you were a player likely to give some reaction or take it more seriously. And you're reaction was kind of feeling out if I was serious and kind of saying I shouldn't keep doing it.Which we'll see. =) What I will say is that you seem very self aware here. I wish I had seen your scum game, cause I remember you saying you weren't past your scum range at a point last game where I felt you were past most people's scum game.

Also, I disagree with your read on Scirrus for those things and that saying you're happy to be town is scummy in general. I actually think the opposite usually. Depends on how genuine it seems, but I know a lot of players who prefer town much more than scum, myself included. Scirrus should do things though, but he vibes like normal Scirrus to me. But we have all the time in the world to figure this out.

Small thing, but why is would it be a problem to explain why you potentially flipped a read? Can't you just explain why you flipped it? Really not trying to throw shade here, but it's just confusing to me. I know we have very different styles, so I'm more so trying to get even more into how you think about the game.

Gut town reading Dizzy a bit more for the "Small thing" part. I'm not sure wolf Dizzy thinks to say that, and even if so, not sure if it would be posted anyway.

@Dyslexicon More to respond to dizzys query here, its because I cant justify my GTH read. I could write something, but it would be insincere. I cant really mentally justify the townread if I had to pick an alignment, its just a feeling. I can explain why I flipped it (if I later scumread them), but I couldnt explain the original read, especially if asked later in the game as to my state of mind on day 0.

I can explain the gth read now I think. It's because they were just so nice all the time. Nice people give off town vibes to me. It's idiotic but I assume that was what made me pick town for a gth read.

[protocultures]

I have some pretty compelling tinfoils right now, but we're not going to talk about that.

Is now a good time?

[Scirrus]

@Scirrus how does your role work, do you need to activate it the night before you can use it or can you activate it at any time? if its the former please make sure to activate it tonight

its a day action not a night action, don't need to activate at night

I wonder if I should keep to myself whether I've already used a vote or not.

I can use one of my votes tomorrow if everyone wants but if I used one already then I'll be all dried up.

I'm kind of confused about how confirmable my vote is though,

Like if i vote to break a tie = the tie option i picked gets yeeted. If i am lying, that same tied person has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted anyway

If I vote to make a tie = the person who was in the lead already still has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted lol bc i have made it a tie

So if I'm lying, which im obviously not but thats besides the point, how can I be "confirmed" this way

Unless I'm just dumb and not getting something

[Scirrus]

@Scirrus how does your role work, do you need to activate it the night before you can use it or can you activate it at any time? if its the former please make sure to activate it tonight

its a day action not a night action, don't need to activate at night

I wonder if I should keep to myself whether I've already used a vote or not.

I can use one of my votes tomorrow if everyone wants but if I used one already then I'll be all dried up.

I'm kind of confused about how confirmable my vote is though,

Like if i vote to break a tie = the tie option i picked gets yeeted. If i am lying, that same tied person has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted anyway

If I vote to make a tie = the person who was in the lead already still has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted lol bc i have made it a tie

So if I'm lying, which im obviously not but thats besides the point, how can I be "confirmed" this way

Unless I'm just dumb and not getting something

[Scirrus]

i hate dekstop makes you click submit multiple times but i do the same on phone and it just posts your posts multiple times

[Scirrus]

sorry I wasnt able to catch up last night. After my appointment I was just too tired to read the game

If i am still around on D2 I will try my best to get caught up

[dunya]

ISOs have been updated in OP, along with important threadmarks that are updated every time an announcement is made.

[Scirrus]

When the bulk of the game is going on before ive had a weekend day it just kills me rip. Need to be more mindful of this when signing up in the future

[tutuu]

@Scirrus how does your role work, do you need to activate it the night before you can use it or can you activate it at any time? if its the former please make sure to activate it tonight

its a day action not a night action, don't need to activate at night

I wonder if I should keep to myself whether I've already used a vote or not.

I can use one of my votes tomorrow if everyone wants but if I used one already then I'll be all dried up.

I'm kind of confused about how confirmable my vote is though,

Like if i vote to break a tie = the tie option i picked gets yeeted. If i am lying, that same tied person has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted anyway

If I vote to make a tie = the person who was in the lead already still has a 50/50 chance of getting yeeted lol bc i have made it a tie

So if I'm lying, which im obviously not but thats besides the point, how can I be "confirmed" this way

Unless I'm just dumb and not getting something

you are an innocent child in my opinion. there is no mechanical use for your double vote

the only use is to confirm you as town

the way we can confirm you is the fact that there is majority lynch

majority tommorrow is 6 votes. so what we do is select a wagon, and we put 4 votes on them. then you activate your ability and vote aswel. nobody votes or unvotes.

if u are the doublevoter we get a hammer because it goes to 6 votes. if u are mafia then u get confirmed too because the person with 5 votes isnt getting hammered

[tutuu]

@everyone else

I don't wanna hear about "there is no reason for us to mechanically confirm scirrus"

With all due respect that opinion is complete cringe

[Scirrus]

oh wait im super dumb

i was speaking from the perspective of someone who already had a vote on there

if i had 0 and i put 2 on someone then it works

lolme

[Scirrus]

mechanically confirm me daddies

anyway I gotta get ready for work

despite my inability to do math I somehow am in a job that requires it a lot

[Scirrus]

oh yeah i forgot its maj yeet

this will be my first maj yeet game

hype!

[Scirrus]

btw i kind of hated dizzy's EoD and his apologetic "i took the easy way out" explanation and I'm kind of not convinced he didnt know exactly what he was doing

like town dizzy knows its better to consolidate wagons at EoD, even if they're quick wagons

i need to stew more on this though

there are reasons earlier i thought he was town like his fake read on me but that EoD is bleh. He should have known better

[Scirrus]

sorry if that wasnt helpful but thats the only thing i read last night that gave me a thonk

[Michelle]

Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.

Michelle

2

33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Continuing my read through, why didn't you vote tutuu as your too sus for day 1. Seems a little opportunistic to jump on a bandwagon doesn't it?

no, why would I? He answered to me and i felt the answer is good. My post #482 reflects my take on the answer, it would be a vote if the answer would not be so simple.

Coincidentally above in post 481 is the vote of Scirrus for me, and the explanation was pretty bad. I decided to attack my wagon to see what is happening.

Spoiler: show

ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

yep, was a joke, just like the alison post

why would you dislike it even if u see it as a joke?

[tutuu]

[mention]1612[/mention] what are your reads?

[mention]cobbler[/mention] what are your reads?

[mention]jeraldooo[/mention] what are your reads?

[tutuu]

MP7 D1 EOD vibes reads

Strong town
protocultures

Moderate town
tutuu
Dyslexicon
Scirrus
Alison
cobbler

Slight town
jeraldooo
Michelle

POE
Urist
1612
Lavender
Long Con / Nanook

Some of these players I admittedly haven't given adequate headspace to yet, like Michelle, etc., but here's what I'm feeling right now.

I actually am torn on Urist but I don't know what to do about him. I think we should yeet someone else maybe and give him more time.

mp7 are these reads still up to date or is there any change?

[tutuu]

[mention]Urist[/mention] i will stop refuting everything u say. lets try to work together. please tell me why mp7 is scum

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

This is a spicy vote. If Michelle flips red, I kind of want to consider Alison as maf.

This probably makes no sense to anyone else.

Alison voting Michelle here, I cant track the logic. We usually think similarly on things. Michelle hasnt given enough content to find them as the best vote D1 imo.

I backtrack my own post on my second read of day 1 (WIP). I can see why Alison is voting Michelle and it doesn't make them partners.

You read thorough now, who was the first with the idea that me being a Champs player this has anything to do with my AI? Because now rereading Scirrus' vote post i see he said "I'm voting Michelle because from what I've heard her, she's a strong town player, was in champs, etc
and i'm not seeing that in her posts in this game /shrug"

[tutuu]

i think jeraldooo and 1612 are both mafia

[tutuu]

if i die tonight get 1612 tommorrow pls pls pls pls

(dont listen to proto)

[Dyslexicon]

This reasoning for townreading someone and pocketing someone at the same time is the exact same thing Alison did to Epi. Identify something, tell people it's a thing, and then say the person they townread for doing the thing, didn't tell them about it and so is not doing it intentionally, and justifying the townread on that basis.

@Dyslexicon @tutuu

Is this ringing any bells. Not 100% sure it was epi but this logic has been applied by mafia Alison in a recent game to justify a townread on town and pocket them simultaneously.

I guess. Wasn't this the same thing Urist said earlier on D1?

[Dyslexicon]

I wish we had yeeted someone else. Not just because Nanook was town, but also cause nothing is resolved now. So dumb

[Dyslexicon]

Alison TMI Proto town could still be a thing.

[Dyslexicon]

I have some pretty compelling tinfoils right now, but we're not going to talk about that.

Is now a good time?

No, cause it involved Tutu at the time, and that is out of the question for me now.

[tutuu]

I wish we had yeeted someone else. Not just because Nanook was town, but also cause nothing is resolved now. So dumb

i dont personally see how potential urist town flip would be helpful in any way either but i guess no point in wasting energy discussing that. but if i remember we can talk post game

[Dyslexicon]

btw i kind of hated dizzy's EoD and his apologetic "i took the easy way out" explanation and I'm kind of not convinced he didnt know exactly what he was doing

like town dizzy knows its better to consolidate wagons at EoD, even if they're quick wagons

i need to stew more on this though

there are reasons earlier i thought he was town like his fake read on me but that EoD is bleh. He should have known better

I did consolidate wagons though, that's literally what I did. I just didn't consolidate MY wagon cause Tutu was screaming at me not to do it. Not that it's her fault. You've seen me combust at EoDs before. If you think I'm ever scum this game you will never town read me ever. Which join the club I guess, but also wow.

[Dyslexicon]

i dont personally see how potential urist town flip would be helpful in any way either but i guess no point in wasting energy discussing that. but if i remember we can talk post game

I wasn't thinking of Urist necessarily. But yeah, it doesn't really matter right now, you're right

[Dyslexicon]

i think jeraldooo and 1612 are both mafia

I think at least one of them is. I have a very hard time imagining a scum team with three other players otherwise. Like, there's three scum in thread right now.

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, I kind of don't think Proto/Alison is a thing here.

[tutuu]

i think jeraldooo and 1612 are both mafia

I think at least one of them is. I have a very hard time imagining a scum team with three other players otherwise. Like, there's three scum in thread right now.

yea same. i have a hard time imagining the scum team as well.

[Dyslexicon]

It's probably Dunya tbh

[tutuu]

dunya is always mafia

this is why everyone keeps yeeting her

[Dyslexicon]

Obv. Also Juliets is reading the thread now, but not posting. Very suspect imo. Dunya/Juliets confirmed.

[Alison]

tutuu what is your opinion of Urist and why?

[Dyslexicon]

What is my opinion on anything and why?

[Dyslexicon]

I'll come back in a more helpful mood

MOOD lol

[tutuu]

tutuu what is your opinion of Urist and why?

ive been procrastinating. u remind me that i was gonna iso them. be back in a few.

[Lavender]

alright motherfuckers, since i'm locktown and am almost certainly the kill tonight, here's a few little brain thoughts. if i don't die, then the following impression and opinions are absolute dogshit and i deny that i ever had them

impressions of end of day (i've not caught up with anything since then):

final votes:
Long Con/nanook
6, 50% Voters: tutuu, protocultures, Scirrus, jeraldooo, Urist, 1612Michelle

Urist
6, 50% Voters: Lavender, Dyslexicon, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Michelle, M Plus 7, Alison

when i came back in the last 10 minutes before eod, i had my vote on proto and was expecting him to be banished, since he had had 4 votes on him when i last posted and that had been suggested by alison and others (side question: who all was on proto at that point?). instead there was a split on nanook and urist, i think about 4 on each at the time. i watched the votes for a while and at one point there were 7 on urist and 4 on lc/nanook (i believe), and i was the only vote still on proto. notably, i think that tutuu was on urist at that point. only a few minutes later, it was 6 on lc/nanook and 5 on urist. that means 2 switched from urist to lc/nanook IN THE FINAL 10 MINUTES. i know tutuu was one of them, please correct me if i'm wrong. does anyone know the other (was it proto?)? so the first thing i'm going to look for is an explanation from tutuu about the switch. i guess she was townreading urist, so i'll be looking for why she was on urist in the first place

now i hadn't paid any attention to nanook since they replaced lc. i had sensed that lc was softing pr (made explicit by proto) and left it at that. now it's clear that many ppl did not feel that way. i'm not sure how the wagon on lc/nanook started, but it struck me as odd. i believe alison, the person wearing the jeans in whose pockets i most UNcomfortably reside, was one of the most vocal about this not being a good idea. absent other context i'm inclined to think mafia is in the lc/nanook votes

i'm still sus of proto, especially if he did indeed switch from urist to lc/nanook. even if he didn't, i seem to recall him sussing urist earlier d1, maybe even in his initial post of reads. so i'll be looking for an explanation for the final vote on on lc/nanook

i haven't paid very much attention to scirrus, dys, jeraldoo, 1612, or mp7, so i'll be looking for justifications for their votes. fwiw i'm only townreading mp7 by proxy, her playstyle and tone is oddest to me and i'm still getting used to it

i had another thought about dys but i forget what it was. i think it's that i stopped townreading them. but they voted urist so..hm

if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

i'll post updated reads in couple of hours after i've had a chance to read thru everything

i really wish we had banished urist, we would have way more info now imo

[Alison]

I don't think it's within Dizzy's scum range to essentially fake a meltdown and go through the whole theater of "I really didn't want the responsibility so I let Jesus take the wheel". Like, there are players I think could/would fake that and players I don't, and I think Dizzy falls into the latter category. I'm not 100% certain about this, but like, 80% certain, based on the games I've played with them and my understanding of them as a person. Feel free to let me know if you have meta that suggests otherwise - I sort of wish Hally was here so I could ask her about it.