Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

DAMMIT AMY, COOPERATE

lol

u still get 60 posts per day

this is ur 6th post in this day. so either count it as 6/60

or 14/68

[Amy]

oh so i actually can't read. i see.

7/60

[Timsup2nothin]

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

Why Scirrus?

4/80

His entire catchup has felt bland and lacking in engagement to me. I'm not sure how to put this, but it's like he's giving the easy responses, without actually trying to really sort or push people.

I get it I think. Trying to put it in words...to me it is like he is mechanically "doing catchup" but it isn't sinking in to him at all. Like when I do that and have a ton of posts to go through I'm taking notes, and even if I'm responding to post 325 I'm aware that I already responded to other posts by the same person and I'm trying to mash something together out of them. He's quoted me like eight different times and responded with "don't like this," "this maybe towny," whatever but you'd think he was quoting and responding to eight different people. Like his catch-up doesn't seem to be informing him in any way, he's just going through the motions.

I'm pretty slow to wolf read people and I'm willing to see if maybe he just has a much different catch up process than I have,,,but yeah I get where you come from here and appreciate the chance to sort of work through the source of it.

[Scirrus]

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

[iaafr]

getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

[Scirrus]

so far i'm at like

town: iaafr, benson, tutuu,

town lean: WH, alison, proto,

null: everbody else

nah: MR, Amy, colin

yeah i'm moving tim back to hard null.

need more townleans

my colin read is pretty much omgus from that one post tbh combined with the fact that i've seen nothing else game related from him

[iaafr]

I think if Colin's scum, I'd read his post about the scirrus Amy dichotomy as talking about two town.

which could easily be the world sure

nutella/Tim/Colin/x?

[Timsup2nothin]

getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

Well this is bloody inconvenient.

I just finished ISOing Nutella and figured I'd read the two new posts I haven't seen, and all of a sudden I'm supposed to be Nutella's wolf partner according to you and Scirrus is intelligently asking YOU how you arrived at Nutella as top town read.

So this is really gonna confuse things, but having just gone through her ISO how TF DID you ever have her as a top town read?

There's really nothing of substance there EXCEPT for her going along on Amy, and her progression there is grossly inconsistent.

I'll skip the whole "but wait Tim is scary so a likely partner to every wolf read on planet Earth." Let's just focus on how all of a sudden you are getting there on Nutella, because on that I am maybe right with you...but I wanna know how you got here.

[iaafr]

getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

Well this is bloody inconvenient.

I just finished ISOing Nutella and figured I'd read the two new posts I haven't seen, and all of a sudden I'm supposed to be Nutella's wolf partner according to you and Scirrus is intelligently asking YOU how you arrived at Nutella as top town read.

So this is really gonna confuse things, but having just gone through her ISO how TF DID you ever have her as a top town read?

There's really nothing of substance there EXCEPT for her going along on Amy, and her progression there is grossly inconsistent.

I'll skip the whole "but wait Tim is scary so a likely partner to every wolf read on planet Earth." Let's just focus on how all of a sudden you are getting there on Nutella, because on that I am maybe right with you...but I wanna know how you got here.

scumcase goes something like she's a bit too reactive and appeasy, not high presence enough, is the limpest susser of Amy, and Alison and tutuu, my townreads, seem onto her

and I'm not sold on you being a partner or anything so I can take your name out of my worlds for now, you're not a d1 candidate to me like she is (like I said earlier, first place I look if I start to believe amy is town)

[Scirrus]

holy fuck is it 1:40

I need to go the fuck to bed

Sorry for the people who hate my posting style. I work late and I'm tired a lot and i'm slow at catching up, it's just the reality for me these days

I feel like voting MR because I disliked his "not serious" excuse while shading me and proto and his push on WH seemed opportunistic too

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

[Scirrus]

Actually I don't mind the wagons on Amy/Nutella either tbh.

Maybe it would be more productive to build these two up?

[VOTE: AMY] aubergine

[Scirrus]

People that have played with Radishes before, what do you think of him so far?

[tutuu]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

uh u wot m8?

in my experience like 80% of the players on the syndicate are moderators and admins, and like, it seems like a small site, do u think shes busy fighting off trolls all day or wot

[nutella]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

@nutella still waiting for an explanation what this even means

should be obvious tbh since youve only done one thing in your posts this game and thats what im referring to

you're playing up your character of not doing shit d1 and yes you have done so a fair bit in recent town games but your tone is different here and so i have a gut read that you're faking/emphasizing it a bit unnaturally

idk it's not a strong read i'm just concerned that you don't feel quite right

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

I.....really don't understand the point you're trying to make with this? I thought maybe it was since I was being helpful and informative about site functions and stuff to the new users but I don't see how that would have anything to do with alignment or gameplay. And whatever you're saying here probably wouldn't apply anyway -- being a moderator here is really nothing like on MU, it's extremely low key, basically all I ever have to do is approve new accounts and send welcome PMs. I don't view being a mod as any kind of burden or influence on my playing mafia games on the site, I consider myself a player first and foremost and my mod status doesn't have any relevance. I get that you're used to different site cultures around that but whatever you're trying to say about me doesn't make any sense fmpov.

[nutella]

I mean we've had to deal with like four elijah alts this week and that's the most moderation stuff I've done in the whole time I've been one lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

Host note: if any of you are flow alts (except Alison), please turn yourself over to the mod team for further questioning. This has been your secret police warning.

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

uh u wot m8?

in my experience like 80% of the players on the syndicate are moderators and admins, and like, it seems like a small site, do u think shes busy fighting off trolls all day or wot

I get it. I already said I made a mistake there. It happens.

Anyway, I think I'm coming round to a bit more kumbuya feeling here. Rabbit's town leans include you and it seems I've convinced you to not kill him today so I feel good about that. I've been ISO reading and have gone through everyone above me on your list without getting any burning desire to kill the people you want to let live today so that's good. And by all our separate paths it seems like we have arrived at least for the moment at Nutella.

Amy is paranoia voting me...at least I think since she hasn't said why. That's okay.

Scirrus is kind of a difference of opinions, and that's okay.

We have a surprising amount of agreement for as early as it really is (D0 is throwing me off some, but seriously we are only like five hours into D1 I think).

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[tutuu]

LMFAO

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

@nutella still waiting for an explanation what this even means

should be obvious tbh since youve only done one thing in your posts this game and thats what im referring to

you're playing up your character of not doing shit d1 and yes you have done so a fair bit in recent town games but your tone is different here and so i have a gut read that you're faking/emphasizing it a bit unnaturally

idk it's not a strong read i'm just concerned that you don't feel quite right

What are you talking about I have reads and gave them

I did make the "you're gonna be disappointed" crack but that's not relevant to D1 specifically, I just don't explain my reads much in general.

So yeah I don't really know what the fuck you're talking about, seems like you're just being kinda disparaging for no apparent reason.

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean we've had to deal with like four elijah alts this week and that's the most moderation stuff I've done in the whole time I've been one lol

I get it. I had to back out because it was a mistake on my part in that I gave you a town read that was sketchy. Now the shoe is pointing the other way. Can you look through your progression on Amy and try to see it the way I am, and then help me see it some other way? You are on her case but don't seem to have any really good reason...then you are off because you "buy in" on her defense...then you are back on when seemingly nothing really changed...then you are kinda off, but in your reads list she is pretty deep in POE.

My read on you changed. I explained why even though clearly I have not covered myself in glory for that initial mod read. I made a mistake. Can you explain your shifts on Amy?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Help I’m being M I S R E P R E S E N T E D

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[tutuu]

nanook obv town for his annoyance

tim also obv town for his annoyance, he masked it more, but like, he didnt like reading more than one people opposing him about the nutella admin thing

idk why yall think tim is scum. ive yet to read a single explained scumread on him

[iaafr]

he has a scummy username

[tutuu]

iaafr town

[Timsup2nothin]

nanook obv town for his annoyance

tim also obv town for his annoyance, he masked it more, but like, he didnt like reading more than one people opposing him about the nutella admin thing

idk why yall think tim is scum. ive yet to read a single explained scumread on him

Some people think I am a scary guy. I have opted not to argue the point too much. So long as no one seems inclined to chop me first day just to be on the safe side it's cool, because usually by day two or three I'm pretty obviously useful. Or I'm dead and everyone takes a breath. We'll see how it goes.

Anyway.

Hey [mention]iaafr[/mention] I think you are on track to run out of posts long before you run out of energy. How about a project? Tutuu has a reads list in post 333 (someone explain how to easily turn that into a link? P&TY) and I have ISOed everyone she has townier than me with mostly good results. Care to give opinions? Like all in one post at some point would be great...for my peace of mind and your post count.

[iaafr]

Spoiler: show

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

also, i love you very much, alison.

tutuu -
proto - town cuz of thinking me saying SHUT UP ALISON was actually rude and thinking it was maf/maf theatre
alison - town cuz rock-paper-scissor fallacy
amy - town cuz of the erect finger tell (im stealing this from dizzy. its basically when u raise ur finger at someone and b like "OH HELL NAW")
beluga whale - town cuz lonely
long con - town cuz i just said why
timsup2nothing - town cuz i like his posts. also i had 1 very intelligent reason listed on day 0
master radishes - town cuz of the "oh do me do me!" gif. like, excitement at seeing how ppl would read him. curiosity. town shit
nanook - town cuz he called me town and maybe correctly townread radish
scirrus - towny cuz hes scummy
KZA - town cuz had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr
colin -
colonialbob -
dizzy -
werewolfhunter -
iaafr - maf cuz voting a villager
nutella - maf cuz just throwing shade and being impossible to townread in my subjective and personal opinion

13/60

edit linki: awp is that sniper from counterstrike, beluga whale

also (to asnwer ur q) i guess my emotions arent set in stone i just felt the mood to change my "persona" u could say idk. from my pov it all makes sense and its normal. maybe its not like that from an outside pov idk

tutuu's 333 enclosed

tutuu top town not gonna spell it out, i think just very likely to be a transparently solving town
proto - have had some doubt here, i think his most recent posting has hit some scum notes with me (it always bothers me when people give handwavey tentative townreads, esp on me), but i still think the way he's been forming his scumreads has felt genuine. if amy is town, still have reasons to be concerned though...
alison - already been over this, thought her early scumreads were valid, i also think scirrus/nutella = wolfy more recently might be a valid perception as well, though i personally strongly disagree with scirrus being wolfy.
amy - still unwilling to town amy independently, unlike tutuu. still think the motivation scumread might apply. don't even think hard unaligned with nutella, there's no reason amy/nutella would avoid shading each other entirely if they both perceive each other/themselves as wolfy, could be going for distancing if they sense they're likely to go down. roughly same level of scummy as nutella in my brain now, maybe still more (biased, tunneling, my pet tunnel)
beluga whale - ive liked the enduring sus on amy, feels real. probably the realest feeling, and part of what's emboldening me to stay sussing amy. even if wrong on amy, i like his scope and depth of thought. possibly my highest townread after tutuu, personally
master radishes - i share sus of master radishes that others do; don't particularly think tutuu's reason for townreading radishes is a great one. just re-skimmed the iso, don't see any great reasons to want to town. apparently he keeps getting yeeted d1 in games recently? keep streak going? give him respite? decisions
long con - could easily be scum. no strong reason to want to town. pretty much =rand imo
nanook - towny but not out of scumrange (think he has a respectable scumgame); unlikely w/w with nutella, i said i'd give him a pass
scirrus - i keep vibing with his catchup. i feel like there is a genuine town solving process in his catchup. i'm fine with his reads. i'm ok with him being ok with consensus. probalby top 4 town, personally.
KZA - might just be frozen scum. no reason to disbelieve benson. no reason to read him town at this point in the game.
colin - could easily just be scum, but if amy is w and scirrus is town, i think it might just be too blatant of a chainsaw to be w/w with amy? idk interested to see where he goes next time he's around
colonialbob - ?
dizzy - ?
wwh - townvibes for some reason, no reason to not effectively have in null for now
iaafr - self-aware wolf
nutella - just recently gave thoughts on her, recently decided could be w/w with amy


perfectly willing to end up voting some sketchball who doesnt seem to want to play anyway over either amy or nutella though

[iaafr]

tutuu scirrus benson tim

protocultures alison nanook

other names not listed

amy nutella

i mean theres a chance im wrong on both amy and nutella and its something like colin/colonialbob/dizzy/kza but uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Timsup2nothin]

Thanks Rabbit. I feel pretty good about letting Tutuu have all the people above me for today. Alison I have as solid town. Benson I have as solid town. Proto I feel good about.

Amy I may not be as good on as Tutuu is but I feel better about her than you. Maybe I related better to the D0 funk, or maybe it's just that I am less jaded because it was newer to me so I thought the pasta was hilarious.

I'll throw in here that Long Con is giving me low poster good poster vibes because one of his joke posts revealed that he was really reading a lot more than his posting seemed to indicate and I have had really good luck with that kind of low poster. My take is that a wolf that is reading that much feels compelled to say more, where maybe a townie who is reading on their phone just doesn't want to post or something. They have good townie interest without the wolf compulsion to prove their interest, if you know what I mean.

Below me on her list, other than you, I am probably willing to chop if someone is actively seeking a particular flavor. If you are that solid on Scirrus and can pass on him though I think Alison and I both have a decent point against him.

[Timsup2nothin]

Feel better about Amy than Rabbit does...not feel better about Amy than I do about Rabbit...at this point.

If Amy weren't sitting on an unexplained vote to kill me...

[Amy]

I suppose it's time for me to exit the PoE. Let's talk about why I voted Tim.

When I placed my vote, I had no read on Tim. Maybe a light gut scumlean off tone, but I had the same thing early in Spec Chat Invitational and he wound up town, and I hard towncleared Tim off tone while speccing his champs game where he ended up being a wolf. I can't toneread Tim, and thus wouldn't push him without having an actual reason to do so.

HOWEVER, Tim is a person in this game who I've played with before, and one who I hadn't talked about basically at all before I made my post. This meant that leaving a naked vote on him was material enough for people to think that I might have something on the slot, and thus cause speculation.

Essentially, it was a reaction test; not necessarily aimed at Tim specifically, though I do appreciate having data coming from him as well, but for everyone else. I wanted to see how people would play around the vote, and see if I could read into it at all, especially given how I appear to be near the bottom of quite a few people's PoE's.

So let's take a peek here.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Timsup2Nothin] aubergine

4/60

What have I done this time?

Initial reaction from Tim is as NAI as expected. I've reaction imaged at votes on me as both alignments, I'm not reading into this.

Spoiler: show

i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

tutuu assumes very quickly that this is a paranoia vote, and seems to have decent backing for doing so. In a vacuum I want to call this a villagery response for how quickly she thought of it; in a world where Tim flips v, I'd maybe consider the possibility of TMI? But really I think it's just a villagery response.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

i can expand a bit

amy enjoys villaging. this is my meta of amy. i consider her the type of player to naturally have lots of thoughts while reading a game, and even general exhaustion is unlikely to suppress those sorts of thoughts when she rolls villager. in that light, i think the volume + depth of thoughts she's shown so far has been lacking. i could easily be wrong, but i don't really have other strong leads rn. i still townread tim as of this moment; i don't agree with scirrus' objection to changing his mind on d0. amy's vote is essentially a nothing fearvote (or if it isn't, she's choosing not to spell out what it is so far), and while tutuu townreads that, i don't.

also the "cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else" will easily naturally be proven wrong over the course of this day regardless

won't defend the push or myself beyond this though.

This one also assumes that my read is baseless/a fearvote; a level 1 reading from my POV makes this look like a slightly wolfier response than tutuu's because it's being used to shade me, but in the context of rabbit's larger read on me it does make sense as a conclusion to draw.

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i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

A'ight. Since we can only kill one person at a time as far as I'm willing to think we can pretty much take in whoever you want, at least temporarily. I actually appreciate that because maybe we can get a similar perspective across to Amy. I'm not gonna fault her, because from a v!Amy perspective "nothing really clear to do here, maybe kill Tim just to be on the safe side" is a plausibly towny thought. I can't really do anything in particular to change her mind because "that's in his wolf range" will be applied to anything I might be able to do in the limited time of day one. However I can be a really useful towny as the game progresses so I am obviously gonna suggest not chopping me today.

Which brings us to the flip side of our little coin here. If I'm taking in whoever you want, at least temporarily, do I get the same trust? Even if it is someone you are thinking is obvious mafia? Because since we are only looking to kill one person in this particular bar fight I'm inclined that it not be Rabbit. His waffly on and offness about Amy I think has a good chance to settle off Amy, and if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone. And either way from there I think he works clear if he is clear.

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Then there's this.

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didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

why though?

There is only one serious philosophical problem, and that is why I don’t have a girlfriend.

F in the chat

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

i don't hate this push tbh

im town btw

omg rabbit like same tho

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

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Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

lol you're cute. i hope you're not scum :0

but yeah idrk if i see it

As much as you say it, I do have to start wondering if you are being honest. I WILL be honest and say that I don't care what you "don't like." If you wanna throw shade, throw it. But don't bury it under some mamby-pamby 'I don't like it...' like you don't know what to do. If you think it's wolf indicative, rise up and say so.

For the record, having never played a day zero in my life I thought accepting Rabbit's greater experience in the matter was pretty civilized of me.

I think the inclination for Tim to default to assuming my vote is pure paranoia is also villagery? I think w!Tim would be at least a little wary that I've somehow got something real on him; someone said earlier in the thread that wolves tend to find flaws in their own posting fairly readily, and I think Tim would potentially be cognizant of that? The caveat here is that with how many times the possibility of a fearvote has been floated, it'd be easy for Tim to stick to the narrative of it being such, but I kinda think I buy this as a real thought.

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getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

This might be the first post that buys into my vote as potentially having real reasoning behind it. I'm... not sure how I feel about it. If this post were being used to shade me I'd say that accepting my vote as more real than it is would be a sign of agenda, but... it's not being used to shade me, it's being used to contextualize iaafr's own reads and evaluate his own perspective. Which... might be villagery? I think?

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I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

uh u wot m8?

in my experience like 80% of the players on the syndicate are moderators and admins, and like, it seems like a small site, do u think shes busy fighting off trolls all day or wot

I get it. I already said I made a mistake there. It happens.

Anyway, I think I'm coming round to a bit more kumbuya feeling here. Rabbit's town leans include you and it seems I've convinced you to not kill him today so I feel good about that. I've been ISO reading and have gone through everyone above me on your list without getting any burning desire to kill the people you want to let live today so that's good. And by all our separate paths it seems like we have arrived at least for the moment at Nutella.

Amy is paranoia voting me...at least I think since she hasn't said why. That's okay.

Scirrus is kind of a difference of opinions, and that's okay.

We have a surprising amount of agreement for as early as it really is (D0 is throwing me off some, but seriously we are only like five hours into D1 I think).

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I'm gonna call this one NAI to save myself some headache. Reading into things Tim says is difficult because he's competent at pushing narratives as both alignments. Going off what I said earlier about him, the "at least I think so" corollary could be a very light wolftell, but I think I probably don't draw any STRONG conclusions from Tim's overall reaction either way.


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So I'm kind of disappointed that I didn't get QUITE as much attention with my vote as I would have liked; was hoping to spark more robust discussion, since I clearly wasn't around to produce it myself.

I think in general it's probably >rand villager to notice the vote and not use it to shade me, which would lend v points to tutuu even independent of the fact that I think it was a villagery post in general. I think overall I land on the lightly villagery side of null for both Tim and iaafr; both of their reactions could go either way, but I think Tim showed a level of unconcernedness that belie a villagery perspective, whereas rabbit seemed to be legitimately evaluating his own reads based on his perception of mine.

Lemme look into the rest of thread happenings.

8/60

[Amy]

Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.

[Amy]

==stronger v==
tutuu
Benson

==weaker v==
Tim
Proto
Nanook?

==weakest v==
iaafr

==null==
rest

==:fry:==
Scirrus

==can probably die==
Nutella

this is before any heavy-duty rereading. i may change my mind on Nutella but her posts about me itg have reminded me very strongly of her posting in anni - namely, cosigning another person's strong push without really adding anything of your own to it

[Amy]

actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

[tutuu]

i think thats a big big overestimation / dramatization of how much ppl would care about the vote of a person a few hours into day 1 re: reaction test and stuff but yea im not even gonna list why amy is towny for these posts, i hope yall can reach the conclusion urselves

iaafr is like my weakest townread. Kza gone from trs. Nanook trended very up. My meme reads can all go away aswell. i think im at
(Its ordered)
Tutuu
Proto
Whale
Tim
Nanook
Amy
Alison
Scirrus
Iaafr

Rest

Nutella

[tutuu]

shit i cant do my boy LC like that he deserves an entire post spent on him saying i have him above scirrus in the townreads

(i hope u like this post as ur reading the thread only paying attention to posts that include the words long and con u egomaniac smh)

[iaafr]

think the most likely misclear is proto but i mean it could just be nutella + 3 nulls idk

[Amy]

i think thats a big big overestimation / dramatization of how much ppl would care about the vote of a person a few hours into day 1 re: reaction test and stuff

i mean, yeah, you're probably right, but like

you yourself made a post about it almost immediately. it certainly stuck out in Tim's mind enough for him to make multiple posts about it, and i did expect rabbit to talk about it given his self-professed tunnel on me

i think what i was really hoping for was that some of the other people on my wagon or adjacent to it - benson nutella etc - would talk about it a bit, since they fall into the iaafr camp of being more likely to take note of it, but alas

end of the day though i don't think it's like. useless info. idt i'd be able to talk myself into a v lean on Tim otherwise, so we take those

[Amy]

i need to stop using posts solely to vote

that said hitting postcap is not my goal and thus may not even happen anyways

so whatever

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

13/60

[tutuu]

im sorry that i came off as depreciating your play [mention]Amy[/mention] , genuinely wasnt my intent. i can tell that u felt a bit slighted, even if u choose to deny this, and i apologize



i was just thinking out loud in terms of why its reinforcing my townread on u / i guess i kinda wanted to give a hint to ppl still struggling to find u as town

[protocultures]

god im so fucking towny. especially my 2 last post just reek of townyness. reek is a bad word actually, whats the word for pleasant smell? pleasant aroma of full lock town innocent child. subjectively im obv town. objectively im obv town. factually speaking, not up to debate, pure axiom, i am the most towny town this game and i am dying n1 based off of purely how god damn fucking TOWNY i am. if u disagree ur mafia

10/60

Lol this is more like town Tutuu. Still undecided though

[protocultures]

inb4 protocultures bussed his entire team and its protocultures/amy/alison/tutuu

also yeah sry forget the accusation of tunneling

i think i have issues with my perception of time

Reading this again is this a slip that there are 4 Mafia in this game? I had assumed 3. Maybe I just forgot to read something.

Reminder this is my first closed game on forum.

Second closed game ever. I play 99% open setups.

[Amy]

inb4 protocultures bussed his entire team and its protocultures/amy/alison/tutuu

also yeah sry forget the accusation of tunneling

i think i have issues with my perception of time

Reading this again is this a slip that there are 4 Mafia in this game? I had assumed 3. Maybe I just forgot to read something.

Reminder this is my first closed game on forum.

Second closed game ever. I play 99% open setups.

4 mafia is probably a reasonable guess in a role madness setup, even if it's a fairly low-powered one

like the thinking but idt i'd call this a slip of any kind

14/60

[protocultures]

So did a partial re-read of day 1.

Think I'm not so sus of tutuu any more. Shes probably town. Which also means Alison is more town.

I also now read Scirrus as towny.

Also can people stop reading me as town so much. I don't want to die in the night. Thank you.

[protocultures]

I'm not sure my vote on Amy is good anymore but leaving it there since don't have a better potential mafia at present.

Yes I realise I now don't have any strong mafia reads and that's bad.

Yes I also realise I am townreading almost everyone I have meta with except LC and Nanook. But they are always impossible for me to read anyway.

[Benson]

4 wolves is what I'm assuming as well.

I have no read on rabbit admittedly. I have reasons to go in either direction but they aren't strong. I might try to ISO or something tonight.
One thing that bothered me specifically was him saying that he liked how I was staying on Amy and that it felt genuine. I can understand why you'd have reason to TR me and I don't know if that holds as one of them. Stuff like that kinda pings me as potentially non-genuine. Also starting to get paranoid pocket attempts are successfully being made (in general) but that's harder to substantiate.
Anyways, I'm on Amy and not Nutella right now for nebulous (or not) reasons. Nutella is worse by many measurements right now.

[Master Radishes]

Okay let’s do thoughts and stuff. Disclaimer: in a technical sense I’ve read everything, but whether I’ve retained much of it is an open question.


(Yes, yes, go on and scroll to your name first. You know you want to.)


Alison – their immediate barely-justified tunnel on a friend could be an easy way for a scum to kick off the game (albeit I agreed with it when I read the early pages), but their turnaround on that read felt natural. Apparently that’s a thing scum Alison is capable of, though. But overall she seems to be finding targets naturally so far.

Amy – I don’t really want to make a read because I am cognizant that this is my first game with her and she’s a red on MU and that has baggage. Like I know it doesn’t matter and yet it does lead to hesitation. On the surface I don’t find anything egregious but I think that was exactly iaafr’s case against her, that it was all fakeable, and yeah, it is. But maybe I’m jumping to conclusions too quickly because of rEpUtAtIoN. I think a stronger take is that I find her explanation about being exhausted from Anni genuine (NAI but genuine) and so I don’t think she puts in this much effort if she’s scum.

Bensluga – town by post count. Usually I can find a couple posts that I know never come from scum B and I haven’t found those posts yet, but it’s early days and his reads are flowing naturally like a river even as they change course. I'm realising as I type this I haven't seen his scum game in a long time unless I'm forgetting one, but he enjoys towning and he seems to be enjoying himself here.

Colin – had to iso to even remember his (few) posts. I’ve mis-read him before based on activity level, so will refrain from shouting ‘scum’ from the rooftops or anything. But he's heavy in the PoE for complete lack of content. (I spot a single post with game content – saying he finds the sus of Scirrus more valid than that of Amy.)

Colonialbob – null

Dizzy – null (sadface)

Rabbit – um…pass? I’ve never seen scum iaafr in action so I don’t know what to look for. When I played with him in Inception I found it easy to find him as town, and I almost feel he seems a bit more mimicky of himself here than organic. E.g. he bounces his reads around a lot when town, and here he…has…but not as much. But like, post capping probably is impacting that pretty heavily. So let’s call him town for now, but I’m less certain than I want to be.

Kaz – this is only his third game off of Canucks (where Benson and I know him from) and in the other two he sat back in D1 and mainly stuck to quips and one-line posts, and he’s doing that here. I felt pretty comfortable calling him town in those other games even when others didn’t because of meta. But he’s also maybe going through the motions a bit more in this game? Definitely in the PoE, and with him that’s worrying to me – I get why others would slot him there, but if both Benson and I are putting him there that’s not a good sign.

Long Con – he’s popping in seemingly at random to post unmemorable commentary. So…probably town. But he’s good at skating by so not locking that in. I've seen him as scum twice, iirc, and both times I had him high in my townreads.

Nanook – I think it was Nutella who suggested he was mimicking his ‘nanookness’ or something like that. That…could definitely be right. But I’ve never learned to tell the difference. I did scum with him recently and he was more involved in the early game (whilst still maintaining his classic laissez-faire attitude) whereas here he just doesn’t seem to care at all, so GTH town.

Nutella – I’m vibing with her a lot as I usually do, but I’ve still not seen her scum game and I’m worried I’m going to get suckered in one time. I thought I saw a difference in her in Pyre based on how she went after me, but then she was apparently town in that one (I’m still not sure I believe it) so I’ve gone from thinking I can townread her easily to being uncertain if I know her at all. I’m mainly writing this off the top of my head so I don’t remember exactly why she’s getting votes now – was it her sheeping other votes? Regardless, I’m going to need to properly iso her to form a solid read, but GTH town.

Proto – didn’t really like their entrance as previously discussed, but since then I’ve liked their game. Like, they’re just poking around a bit and throwing out reads they’re comfortable making and such. No sense of worry or pressure to do something.

Scirrus – already discussed my dislike of his thread entrance, and his catch-up was…uninspiring. The question is did it help him reach any conclusions. He basically townreads a few consensus townreads, lists a rather disparate trio of scumreads, and apparently everyone else, including a number of top posters, are null. I can’t say anything pings me per se, but neither do I see anything townie-looking that makes me want to change my read.

Tim – so, um, disclosure…I didn’t actually read his fabulous wolf game in G10. So I actually don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking for to stop myself getting fooled. He seems pretty chill so far, like he just wants to have some fun and hunt some scum.

Tutuu – I agree with others that she felt a bit off D0, but also that she feels more like the tutuu I remember from Pyre in D1 so far – vivacious, bouncy, just plain fun to read. I feel like tone is something she can probably fake (and may be doing so after getting heat on D0) but what I particularly like is that her reads generally match the thread’s but not 100% so, which feels like a townie getting the same feel as other townies but accounting for standard deviance. I maintain some hesitance on reading her town, but yeah, probably just town.

WH – putting aside the opening-post mixup, which is clearly a genuine mistake, I do feel she has been…reserved. But nothing has pinged me, and the confusion over the opening post mix-up didn't reveal any worry about being caught for the wrong reasons. Still a PoE slot by virtue of not being a town slot.



This turned out longer than I had anticipated.

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tl;dr

Probably just town
Alison
Benson
Proto
Tutuu

Hesitantly want to townlean
Amy
iaafr
Long Con
Nanook
Nutella
Tim

Null
Dizzy
Colonialbob

PoE
WH
Colin
Kaz
Scirrus

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