Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Master Radishes]

[mention]Benson[/mention] you seem to be here, yes?

I'm going to go eat lunch. Leave me a summary of why nutella? I got lazy when reading the pages I missed whilst sleeping and didn't pay attention.

[Benson]

MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

The position to say you're vibing with nute is very interesting, to say the least. If you were going to go with a stance like that I'd hope you would at least be aware of what myself and others are SRing her for. And I don't think it's because of "vote sheeping".

Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

[Benson]

Maybe I need to go further into what the others are thinking but my position on nutella is this:
- Noticeable lack of original thoughts/ideas that are from a villagery mindset. I've seen basically one so far. I expect a lot more.
- Following/sheeping the reads of others. I suppose this isn't *that* bad, because a wolf nutella probably knows to be careful here anyways.
- She's not really pushing in any direction either other than the ones that have already been established. But I realize I'm getting a little redundant.

Eh, it's not the worst. But I'll wait until it gets better before I take her out of lynch contention. If she's town, she'll likely get there.

What do you think of the wagon dynamic between Amy v Nute. That's what I wanted to explore today. I like the way those have developed, as in there's information there. I don't know what info, but info nonetheless.

[Benson]

holy fuck is it 1:40

I need to go the fuck to bed

Sorry for the people who hate my posting style. I work late and I'm tired a lot and i'm slow at catching up, it's just the reality for me these days

I feel like voting MR because I disliked his "not serious" excuse while shading me and proto and his push on WH seemed opportunistic too

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I think people don't like your posting style because there is little coherency in the individual posts, making it difficult to read. Before you take that as an insult let me explain: obviously what you're saying on its own is coherently; but when you quote multiple unrelated posts from yesterday and comment on each one separately it becomes hard to follow. Like, I'm sure it's a useful exercise for yourself, but I personally can't get much out of those posts, which leads to that frustration. Sorry if that's too harsh. You can definitely keep doing your thing I don't think I'll be able to really read you properly until you put those scattered thoughts into one place and one conclusion. I mean, unless your goal is to hide behind those catch-up posts.

Actually I don't mind the wagons on Amy/Nutella either tbh.

Maybe it would be more productive to build these two up?

[VOTE: AMY] aubergine

Generally, I would find this towny. But when you say you're gonna do it, it kinda takes away.

Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.

People that have played with Radishes before, what do you think of him so far?

I have the most experience with MR out of anyone here. I can tell you that you are justified in being suspicious right now.

[Master Radishes]

MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

Uh, yeah, you post less as a wolf. Sorry to burst that bubble for you. Here, you’re post-capping yourself, and perhaps more specifically your posts are all game-related, which is more what I meant anyway. You’re engaged. I know you hate when I call you the t-word because you never trust me in return, but too bad. Even your handling of me here fits with your town meta.

Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

What is this, CDC?

[Benson]

I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

I only remember some vague reads that were a while ago now. Have those changed? Are there new reads? Help me read you.

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actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

Not going to quote all your posts before here are my fast thoughts before I go to work.

The reaction vote and subsequent analysis is good. It's a genuine play and I think the your conclusions are ostensibly towny. That said, you may be looking too far into what is actually there, but I can't condemn you on that.

Now the reads list: it feels super convenient that your CW ends up as top scum. But I do share suspicions with the quote above, as much as it could easily be a twtbw thing.

Finally the intuition-read: I can't articulate why exactly right - or I'm too lazy too - but almost your entire game feels very crafted and agenda-y, as opposed to something naturally flowing. That's why I'm still on your wagon.

The villager appears to pour itself down, and indeed its villageryness pours in all direction, but the stream does not run out. This pouring is linear extension: that is why its beams are called rays, because they radiate in extended lines

OK I'll stop with the dumb quotes.


Also, the nutella wagon is feeling rather "easy". Like until MR, there was no actual resistance and basically everyone was like "yup nute is scummy". Maybe her teammates are bussers and low-posters but idk.


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MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

Uh, yeah, you post less as a wolf. Sorry to burst that bubble for you. Here, you’re post-capping yourself, and perhaps more specifically your posts are all game-related, which is more what I meant anyway. You’re engaged. I know you hate when I call you the t-word because you never trust me in return, but too bad. Even your handling of me here fits with your town meta.

Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

What is this, CDC?

Ah feck off. You haven't even seen me wolf in a while and the difference is marginal in terms of actual post count. Like it would be something like 90% of my town posting rate and that's not something that would show up in a 60 post-per-phase capped game.

[Master Radishes]

Maybe I need to go further into what the others are thinking but my position on nutella is this:
- Noticeable lack of original thoughts/ideas that are from a villagery mindset. I've seen basically one so far. I expect a lot more.
- Following/sheeping the reads of others. I suppose this isn't *that* bad, because a wolf nutella probably knows to be careful here anyways.
- She's not really pushing in any direction either other than the ones that have already been established. But I realize I'm getting a little redundant.

Eh, it's not the worst. But I'll wait until it gets better before I take her out of lynch contention. If she's town, she'll likely get there.

What do you think of the wagon dynamic between Amy v Nute. That's what I wanted to explore today. I like the way those have developed, as in there's information there. I don't know what info, but info nonetheless.

This is all basically saying the same thing – she’s following, not leading. In my limited experience that’s not a scumtell for her (or, rather, I see her do that when she’s town). She’s a little less forceful than usual, e.g. I don’t recall a posts where she just says like ‘this is a wolf’ which I often see from her.

As I said in my readslist I’m waiting for the day I get fooled by her (she owes me one anyway, since I did that to her in, uh, I think it was Assassin’s Creed). But atm when I read her posts I nod in agreement and in general I think I’m pretty good at not being full-on pocketed by wolves, or at least I like to think so.

Re: Amy vs Nutella, I’m not sold on either one myself. Or do you mean specifically the wagonomics of it? Two of my stronger townreads are voting for Amy, but so is my top scumread. His was a very bussy vote though so that doesn’t sway me either way. The people on the Nutella wagon are varying degrees of ??? for me. All hesitant, uncertain townleans. In my experience that grouping contains wolves but I never find them on D1. Basically right now the wagon formation enforces my read that Nutella is probably town being nudged by at least one opportunistic wolf, but maybe Amy is someone I need to look at harder.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

I only remember some vague reads that were a while ago now. Have those changed? Are there new reads? Help me read you.

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actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

Not going to quote all your posts before here are my fast thoughts before I go to work.

The reaction vote and subsequent analysis is good. It's a genuine play and I think the your conclusions are ostensibly towny. That said, you may be looking too far into what is actually there, but I can't condemn you on that.

Now the reads list: it feels super convenient that your CW ends up as top scum. But I do share suspicions with the quote above, as much as it could easily be a twtbw thing.

Finally the intuition-read: I can't articulate why exactly right - or I'm too lazy too - but almost your entire game feels very crafted and agenda-y, as opposed to something naturally flowing. That's why I'm still on your wagon.

The villager appears to pour itself down, and indeed its villageryness pours in all direction, but the stream does not run out. This pouring is linear extension: that is why its beams are called rays, because they radiate in extended lines

OK I'll stop with the dumb quotes.


Also, the nutella wagon is feeling rather "easy". Like until MR, there was no actual resistance and basically everyone was like "yup nute is scummy". Maybe her teammates are bussers and low-posters but idk.


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MR:
I'm town by post count...in a game where we're limited to 30 per 24 hours basically?

No. Are you trying to slander my wolf game indirectly? lol

Uh, yeah, you post less as a wolf. Sorry to burst that bubble for you. Here, you’re post-capping yourself, and perhaps more specifically your posts are all game-related, which is more what I meant anyway. You’re engaged. I know you hate when I call you the t-word because you never trust me in return, but too bad. Even your handling of me here fits with your town meta.

Your PoE is also too easy for an MR PoE tbh

What is this, CDC?

Ah feck off. You haven't even seen me wolf in a while and the difference is marginal in terms of actual post count. Like it would be something like 90% of my town posting rate and that's not something that would show up in a 60 post-per-phase capped game.

You’re most likely going to be disappointed by taking a “help me read you” angle with me, sorry

My reads are tutuu and IAAFR lock town don’t reconsider before f3, radishes not that level but I thought his Captain thing was kinda townie.

In addition I’m now willing to include Amy in my townreads cause I’ve heard through the grapevine (by which I mean her talking about it in jury chat and/or champs spec chat) that she has a not very good scum game.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Those reads aren’t vague btw they’re pretty explicit/clear cut imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

(Although that last one is not a completely serious read, I just want to see how amy plays and thus don’t want to kill her D1)

[Benson]

Maybe I need to go further into what the others are thinking but my position on nutella is this:
- Noticeable lack of original thoughts/ideas that are from a villagery mindset. I've seen basically one so far. I expect a lot more.
- Following/sheeping the reads of others. I suppose this isn't *that* bad, because a wolf nutella probably knows to be careful here anyways.
- She's not really pushing in any direction either other than the ones that have already been established. But I realize I'm getting a little redundant.

Eh, it's not the worst. But I'll wait until it gets better before I take her out of lynch contention. If she's town, she'll likely get there.

What do you think of the wagon dynamic between Amy v Nute. That's what I wanted to explore today. I like the way those have developed, as in there's information there. I don't know what info, but info nonetheless.

This is all basically saying the same thing – she’s following, not leading. In my limited experience that’s not a scumtell for her (or, rather, I see her do that when she’s town). She’s a little less forceful than usual, e.g. I don’t recall a posts where she just says like ‘this is a wolf’ which I often see from her.

As I said in my readslist I’m waiting for the day I get fooled by her (she owes me one anyway, since I did that to her in, uh, I think it was Assassin’s Creed). But atm when I read her posts I nod in agreement and in general I think I’m pretty good at not being full-on pocketed by wolves, or at least I like to think so.

Re: Amy vs Nutella, I’m not sold on either one myself. Or do you mean specifically the wagonomics of it? Two of my stronger townreads are voting for Amy, but so is my top scumread. His was a very bussy vote though so that doesn’t sway me either way. The people on the Nutella wagon are varying degrees of ??? for me. All hesitant, uncertain townleans. In my experience that grouping contains wolves but I never find them on D1. Basically right now the wagon formation enforces my read that Nutella is probably town being nudged by at least one opportunistic wolf, but maybe Amy is someone I need to look at harder.

Lol, I acknowledged that it was getting redundant.

I do actually share similar concerns over the nutella wagon and the general thread consensus on her. It just gives me the vibes that the wolves are happy to push or help push in that direction.


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Nanook, I meant that my recollection of them was vague because they came early in D0. I was hoping they would be more developed by now (your overall reads).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk I think 2 very confident and one semi-confident read is pretty good for where we are/I am.

[Benson]

Idk I think 2 very confident and one semi-confident read is pretty good for where we are/I am.

Well, I assumed the rabbit read was mostly you meming or something. What do you see so far from him that is worthy of that confidence?

[Benson]

So did a partial re-read of day 1.

Think I'm not so sus of tutuu any more. Shes probably town. Which also means Alison is more town.

I also now read Scirrus as towny.

Also can people stop reading me as town so much. I don't want to die in the night. Thank you.

Lol. I know this POV could be faked but it's how I feel as well so I want to call it towny.

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I'm overly focusing on radish because I know him the most, but he still truly doesn't sit well with me. Like I wouldn't expect a full reads list out of him this early before he's really done significant investigative work; and he evidently hasn't done that. The list just looks like work for the sake of work. Sorry, MR, if you're town and I'm disrespecting you right now.
My new spicy take is that if we're just totally on point with nutella, then maybe he's wolfing with her. Or maybe it's a TMI read so he can salvage some town equity is she's miselimed.


Where did everyone go?

[colonialbob]

Ok I'm here. Sorry, first game in a year + a bunch of new people + a lot of meta-reads + new slang to pick up on = having to work much harder to understand the thread. I've read everything but tbh not sure how much of it really sunk in. I think I'm going to try ISOing people and see if that gets me further than trying to digest like 6 pages all at once.

[Timsup2nothin]

@Benson you seem to be here, yes?

I'm going to go eat lunch. Leave me a summary of why nutella? I got lazy when reading the pages I missed whilst sleeping and didn't pay attention.

You didn't ask me, and I'm sort of in morning catch up over breakfast mode, but since Benluga Whale didn't mention it...

My biggest, and probably only, problem with Nutella is her Amy read. It's maybe too small a problem to justify being on a four vote wagon but at this early stage it is more than I have on anyone else and she has thus far offered no explanation.

If you ISO her and specifically jump out for context when her Amy views shift there never seems to be any good reason...and her view shifts A LOT. It reads to me as (possibly) "is there really a chance to mischop a strong player like Amy day one here?" If Amy is not a wolf I KNOW that a Nutella wolf team would be overjoyed to get rid of her without an NK, but would also be wary about getting caught actively pushing such a wagon...and that's kind of the feeling I get from her.

[Master Radishes]

I'm overly focusing on radish because I know him the most, but he still truly doesn't sit well with me. Like I wouldn't expect a full reads list out of him this early before he's really done significant investigative work; and he evidently hasn't done that. The list just looks like work for the sake of work. Sorry, MR, if you're town and I'm disrespecting you right now.
My new spicy take is that if we're just totally on point with nutella, then maybe he's wolfing with her. Or maybe it's a TMI read so he can salvage some town equity is she's miselimed.

Who says I haven't done investigative work?

[colonialbob]

Alison:

Spoiler: show

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

Progression on tutuu looks good - pressure for a reason, changes mind based on behavior. Also like the description of town tutuu, which iirc basically is what happened (tutuu started forming a towncore). Def feels like civ looking for familiar civ.

Spoiler: show

"Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

If you liked Your Name you'll like Madoka Magica.

Anyway a couple of people have chimed in to say that everything I find suspicious is just iaafr's meta but I don't have any leads other than tutuu/iaafr at the moment so I'm happy to just pursue it and see how it goes. If I'm wrong I have my faith in my ability to re-evaluate.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

Also positive vibes from the iafr push. Given an easy reason to back down from a push that I don't think was receiving much traction, but sticks with the suspicion because of reasoning.

Spoiler: show

I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Found another mafia

what makes you think this is scummy proto?

tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.

3/80

Scirrus and nutella are scummy, proto is town.

I am very tired and don't feel like talking much so if you want to engage me about any of these reads just tell me which ones stand out to you.

Only bit that pinged me slightly is proto as town - idk the smiley stuck out. Would appreciate more words about why proto is town.

Overall, firm townlean.

(ps these do take a bit of time, and i'm also ostensibly working, so I'm going to focus on these until I get through them unless somebody @s me)

[Timsup2nothin]

[mention]Amy[/mention]

I appreciate your play. I tried to signal my lack of OMGUS. I wish you had stuck a little longer, and maybe leaned in a little bit on the "who's afraid of the big bad Tim" angle. It would have been interesting to see if anyone took an unhealthy interest in trying to get rid of me.

Radishes...you didn't read G10? How dare you!

[Master Radishes]

@Benson you seem to be here, yes?

I'm going to go eat lunch. Leave me a summary of why nutella? I got lazy when reading the pages I missed whilst sleeping and didn't pay attention.

You didn't ask me, and I'm sort of in morning catch up over breakfast mode, but since Benluga Whale didn't mention it...

My biggest, and probably only, problem with Nutella is her Amy read. It's maybe too small a problem to justify being on a four vote wagon but at this early stage it is more than I have on anyone else and she has thus far offered no explanation.

If you ISO her and specifically jump out for context when her Amy views shift there never seems to be any good reason...and her view shifts A LOT. It reads to me as (possibly) "is there really a chance to mischop a strong player like Amy day one here?" If Amy is not a wolf I KNOW that a Nutella wolf team would be overjoyed to get rid of her without an NK, but would also be wary about getting caught actively pushing such a wagon...and that's kind of the feeling I get from her.

I have her iso open and all I see is her saying 'Amy sus sounds good to me' in response to Rabbit's case, then saying she accepts Amy's defense, then listing Amy in her PoE. I don't really see anything wrong with that progression? Seems pretty standard for D0/D1. (And she did it after being called out for sheeping, and doesn't seemed bothered about offering justification despite that, which is a good look too.)

I don't see it.

There's one thing I sort of could scumread nutella for, if I wanted to nitpick, which is that she has half-heartedly shaded a few more prominent names at different points as if she's trying to keep the PoE open, but that's a weak read this early on and she's offering plenty of equally half-hearted townreads as well, so...

[Master Radishes]

Radishes...you didn't read G10? How dare you!

I started to, then Jackquillaflush subbed in and started competing for post count and I gave up and stayed focused on G9 instead.

I hear you lucked out and won somehow.

[Timsup2nothin]

Radishes...you didn't read G10? How dare you!

I started to, then Jackquillaflush subbed in and started competing for post count and I gave up and stayed focused on G9 instead.

I hear you lucked out and won somehow.

Mostly just outposted those guys.

I appreciate your response on Nutella.

[colonialbob]

Amy:

Spoiler: show

I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.

i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far

and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

This is the one and only post I'm gonna use for self-defense unless this wagon sticks.

Consider this post largely addressed at Rabbit.

I'm multitabling. I'm pooped from Anni. I tend to intentionally use light games to decompress and not tryhard. And perhaps most pertinently, I'm pretty damn capable of faking joie de vivre as a wolf. It'd perhaps be harder if I was burned out from wolfing, but I've had a healthy mix of rands thus far this summer and if I were a wolf here I don't think we'd be in for a mountainado repeat. Go take a peek at my ISO in Voxx 9er if you don't believe me, but early tonereads aren't a good way to catch me.

You're correct that nothing I've posted yet is out of my wolfrange. If you're expecting me to leave my wolfrange in... 9? posts on day 0, you have unrealistic expectations for my towngame.

I was always entering this game with Zackpasta regardless of rand, it's a good pasta. I considered making a joke at proto's expense about not realizing it was a pasta but honestly I was afraid he wouldn't get that one either. Having people not realize jokes are jokes gets old.

Hopefully my future body of work will speak for itself, but I'd prefer to nip any misguided tunnels in the bud; like I said, Anni was exhausting. Will be around to post more content later tonight.

The worst vote on me is Nutella's.

1/60

Early game is lots of defense - defends iaafr, tim, self, and townreads tutuu and alison. Only negative thing about anybody is nutella and even then, eh.

Spoiler: show

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

this is the funniest post itg thus far and i want to lock you town and never reevaluate

iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

in the world where youre town, i could buy nutella being on you being the scummiest person expressing sus of you. benson/protocultures both seem more genuinely convinced.

i noted that i was wavery on nutella earlier. that's because one of the things you took issue with in the first round of posting (her calling me in my wolfrange) was an issue with me as well. i don't think nutella actually knows my wolfrange. i just liked that she "thought about it more" and moved me to locktown apropos of nothing. i thought that was valid progression. still could've been pockety though, and calling me still in my wolfrange was still sort of pingy.

townreads of this sort are the most precarious because i could just be being pocketed, so yeah.

jumped back on because i decided your defense post still wasnt enough for me to stop tunneling you for now. though unlike what tutuu said, i'm not really trying to pressure per se, it's just an actual scumread that may or may not change. if you think you work better sans pressure, i am perfectly willing to unvote and ignore you for up to 6h to EOD, then re-verdict you then.

i'm not sure i agree with the reevaluation of nutella

i think it's very easy for a wolf to make an unfounded push, get called out for it, and be like "nah i thought about it more they're town", and i somewhat dislike that you're either overlooking or dismissing this possibility so easily

i don't really give a shit about vote pressure this far out from eod. anni was a different beast because from late day 2 on i was pretty much under constant threat from drone strikes and ITAs, and unless TSP's lost his mind i don't think we're gonna have to deal with those here. do whatever you want, i'll clear myself eventually

Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.

actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

Pushes on iaafr briefly, but then flips back to defending without townreading. Pushing more on nutella. Meh. I like the potential iaafr/amy w/w, but idk if it's indicative of anything outside of that.

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I suppose it's time for me to exit the PoE. Let's talk about why I voted Tim.

When I placed my vote, I had no read on Tim. Maybe a light gut scumlean off tone, but I had the same thing early in Spec Chat Invitational and he wound up town, and I hard towncleared Tim off tone while speccing his champs game where he ended up being a wolf. I can't toneread Tim, and thus wouldn't push him without having an actual reason to do so.

HOWEVER, Tim is a person in this game who I've played with before, and one who I hadn't talked about basically at all before I made my post. This meant that leaving a naked vote on him was material enough for people to think that I might have something on the slot, and thus cause speculation.

Essentially, it was a reaction test; not necessarily aimed at Tim specifically, though I do appreciate having data coming from him as well, but for everyone else. I wanted to see how people would play around the vote, and see if I could read into it at all, especially given how I appear to be near the bottom of quite a few people's PoE's.

So let's take a peek here.

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[VOTE: Timsup2Nothin] aubergine

4/60

What have I done this time?

Initial reaction from Tim is as NAI as expected. I've reaction imaged at votes on me as both alignments, I'm not reading into this.

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i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

tutuu assumes very quickly that this is a paranoia vote, and seems to have decent backing for doing so. In a vacuum I want to call this a villagery response for how quickly she thought of it; in a world where Tim flips v, I'd maybe consider the possibility of TMI? But really I think it's just a villagery response.

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[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I have a really hard time believing that you genuinely think being unmotivated in D0 is a scumtell. Also this whole "I'm going to tunnel Amy for the rest of D1" stuff looks like dropping cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else.

I guess tutuu and I found each other again. Feeling good about her this game.

i can expand a bit

amy enjoys villaging. this is my meta of amy. i consider her the type of player to naturally have lots of thoughts while reading a game, and even general exhaustion is unlikely to suppress those sorts of thoughts when she rolls villager. in that light, i think the volume + depth of thoughts she's shown so far has been lacking. i could easily be wrong, but i don't really have other strong leads rn. i still townread tim as of this moment; i don't agree with scirrus' objection to changing his mind on d0. amy's vote is essentially a nothing fearvote (or if it isn't, she's choosing not to spell out what it is so far), and while tutuu townreads that, i don't.

also the "cover for not re-evaluating or doing much else" will easily naturally be proven wrong over the course of this day regardless

won't defend the push or myself beyond this though.

This one also assumes that my read is baseless/a fearvote; a level 1 reading from my POV makes this look like a slightly wolfier response than tutuu's because it's being used to shade me, but in the context of rabbit's larger read on me it does make sense as a conclusion to draw.

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i think amy has a lot of respect for tim as a mafia player which would explain her calling my townread on him bad (which i dont even see how can a read be bad unless its trolling. its either wrong or right imo) but yea, i think this respect is making her paranoid and thats why shes voting him. i legit tr amy btw, and i still tr tim. i think both town.

idk i just desired to armchair psychologize (how tf do u verb that? psychologize. psychology-size? psychoanalyze PSYCHOANALYZE thats the word). armchair psychoanalyze what is going on, so there u go

btw tim, pls trust me when i say we can add proto to the towncore. pls trust. im not 100% confident on my other town reads but mafia is a team game, and trusting your townreads to correctly townread other ppl is, like, amazing. please trust me proto town. we are like a packet. me and him. if u tr me u need to tr him. 2-for-1 deal

9/60

also i thoguht KZA had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr (when he said he's annoyed at him scumcasing himself). i think that was too brazen to post as maf/maf. let iaafr have a taste of his own pre-flip association medicine

A'ight. Since we can only kill one person at a time as far as I'm willing to think we can pretty much take in whoever you want, at least temporarily. I actually appreciate that because maybe we can get a similar perspective across to Amy. I'm not gonna fault her, because from a v!Amy perspective "nothing really clear to do here, maybe kill Tim just to be on the safe side" is a plausibly towny thought. I can't really do anything in particular to change her mind because "that's in his wolf range" will be applied to anything I might be able to do in the limited time of day one. However I can be a really useful towny as the game progresses so I am obviously gonna suggest not chopping me today.

Which brings us to the flip side of our little coin here. If I'm taking in whoever you want, at least temporarily, do I get the same trust? Even if it is someone you are thinking is obvious mafia? Because since we are only looking to kill one person in this particular bar fight I'm inclined that it not be Rabbit. His waffly on and offness about Amy I think has a good chance to settle off Amy, and if it doesn't he'll have really good reasons by the time we're actually chopping someone. And either way from there I think he works clear if he is clear.

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Then there's this.

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didnt realize zack was a philosopher

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

why though?

There is only one serious philosophical problem, and that is why I don’t have a girlfriend.

F in the chat

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

i don't hate this push tbh

im town btw

omg rabbit like same tho

i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl

As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

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Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

lol you're cute. i hope you're not scum :0

but yeah idrk if i see it

As much as you say it, I do have to start wondering if you are being honest. I WILL be honest and say that I don't care what you "don't like." If you wanna throw shade, throw it. But don't bury it under some mamby-pamby 'I don't like it...' like you don't know what to do. If you think it's wolf indicative, rise up and say so.

For the record, having never played a day zero in my life I thought accepting Rabbit's greater experience in the matter was pretty civilized of me.

I think the inclination for Tim to default to assuming my vote is pure paranoia is also villagery? I think w!Tim would be at least a little wary that I've somehow got something real on him; someone said earlier in the thread that wolves tend to find flaws in their own posting fairly readily, and I think Tim would potentially be cognizant of that? The caveat here is that with how many times the possibility of a fearvote has been floated, it'd be easy for Tim to stick to the narrative of it being such, but I kinda think I buy this as a real thought.

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getting more and more inclined towards nutella/tim

which i think is amyperspective aorn?

in that world scirrus is like lock town (and i really like this recent post)

This might be the first post that buys into my vote as potentially having real reasoning behind it. I'm... not sure how I feel about it. If this post were being used to shade me I'd say that accepting my vote as more real than it is would be a sign of agenda, but... it's not being used to shade me, it's being used to contextualize iaafr's own reads and evaluate his own perspective. Which... might be villagery? I think?

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i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him



and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho

I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.

Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.

i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol

Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.

uh u wot m8?

in my experience like 80% of the players on the syndicate are moderators and admins, and like, it seems like a small site, do u think shes busy fighting off trolls all day or wot

I get it. I already said I made a mistake there. It happens.

Anyway, I think I'm coming round to a bit more kumbuya feeling here. Rabbit's town leans include you and it seems I've convinced you to not kill him today so I feel good about that. I've been ISO reading and have gone through everyone above me on your list without getting any burning desire to kill the people you want to let live today so that's good. And by all our separate paths it seems like we have arrived at least for the moment at Nutella.

Amy is paranoia voting me...at least I think since she hasn't said why. That's okay.

Scirrus is kind of a difference of opinions, and that's okay.

We have a surprising amount of agreement for as early as it really is (D0 is throwing me off some, but seriously we are only like five hours into D1 I think).

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I'm gonna call this one NAI to save myself some headache. Reading into things Tim says is difficult because he's competent at pushing narratives as both alignments. Going off what I said earlier about him, the "at least I think so" corollary could be a very light wolftell, but I think I probably don't draw any STRONG conclusions from Tim's overall reaction either way.


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So I'm kind of disappointed that I didn't get QUITE as much attention with my vote as I would have liked; was hoping to spark more robust discussion, since I clearly wasn't around to produce it myself.

I think in general it's probably >rand villager to notice the vote and not use it to shade me, which would lend v points to tutuu even independent of the fact that I think it was a villagery post in general. I think overall I land on the lightly villagery side of null for both Tim and iaafr; both of their reactions could go either way, but I think Tim showed a level of unconcernedness that belie a villagery perspective, whereas rabbit seemed to be legitimately evaluating his own reads based on his perception of mine.

Lemme look into the rest of thread happenings.

8/60

Push on Tim, sure fine. This kinda conflicts with the "I don't care about vote pressure this far from EoD" from earlier but as Epi (I think) is fond of saying hypocrisy is often a civ trait.

Overall not much lean either way. A few nuggets to examine after we get flips though.

[WerewolfHunter]

Sorry tutuu, I still think you are mafia. Dont hate me, we can still be anime buddies.

Alison - ehhhhh, I am unconvinced that tutuu did something towny, so cant see why you flipped on Tutuu. Dont want to start a meta of always saying Alison is mafia though, so will just park this read here and leave them in undecided range. other than their flip on Tutuu, I townread Alison.

Nutella - think they are town. Had the same suspicion on Alison re flipping the read on Tutuu, and the post Alison made in mafia tactics. I take Alisons counterpoint, but thats not where my mind went to first, it went to he same place Nutella's did.

Iaafr - cant remember any specific post, but I townread them. In generally, not a fan of quickly reaching post caps though.

LC is impossible to read to me as always.

Amy is still a decent vote for me today, and I am unlikely to change my vote unless something significant happens. probably going to vote tutuu after Amy dies but we could start getting claims from start of next day, so who knows.

Other people, I am undecided.

I feel a bit more tired than usual in a forum game. Im stressed about the post limit although I am posting low numbers anyway, makes no sense.

Will try to play a bit more casual than normal, need to learn to play without reading every post multiple times and go more with feel. Will help when in multiple games at once.

Thanks for posting this. These reads list help me a lot to get reads. I'm glad i'm not online on my potential evil read of tutu.

[WerewolfHunter]

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I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

also, i love you very much, alison.

tutuu -
proto - town cuz of thinking me saying SHUT UP ALISON was actually rude and thinking it was maf/maf theatre
alison - town cuz rock-paper-scissor fallacy
amy - town cuz of the erect finger tell (im stealing this from dizzy. its basically when u raise ur finger at someone and b like "OH HELL NAW")
beluga whale - town cuz lonely
long con - town cuz i just said why
timsup2nothing - town cuz i like his posts. also i had 1 very intelligent reason listed on day 0
master radishes - town cuz of the "oh do me do me!" gif. like, excitement at seeing how ppl would read him. curiosity. town shit
nanook - town cuz he called me town and maybe correctly townread radish
scirrus - towny cuz hes scummy
KZA - town cuz had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr
colin -
colonialbob -
dizzy -
werewolfhunter -
iaafr - maf cuz voting a villager
nutella - maf cuz just throwing shade and being impossible to townread in my subjective and personal opinion

13/60

edit linki: awp is that sniper from counterstrike, beluga whale

also (to asnwer ur q) i guess my emotions arent set in stone i just felt the mood to change my "persona" u could say idk. from my pov it all makes sense and its normal. maybe its not like that from an outside pov idk

tutuu's 333 enclosed

tutuu top town not gonna spell it out, i think just very likely to be a transparently solving town
proto - have had some doubt here, i think his most recent posting has hit some scum notes with me (it always bothers me when people give handwavey tentative townreads, esp on me), but i still think the way he's been forming his scumreads has felt genuine. if amy is town, still have reasons to be concerned though...
alison - already been over this, thought her early scumreads were valid, i also think scirrus/nutella = wolfy more recently might be a valid perception as well, though i personally strongly disagree with scirrus being wolfy.
amy - still unwilling to town amy independently, unlike tutuu. still think the motivation scumread might apply. don't even think hard unaligned with nutella, there's no reason amy/nutella would avoid shading each other entirely if they both perceive each other/themselves as wolfy, could be going for distancing if they sense they're likely to go down. roughly same level of scummy as nutella in my brain now, maybe still more (biased, tunneling, my pet tunnel)
beluga whale - ive liked the enduring sus on amy, feels real. probably the realest feeling, and part of what's emboldening me to stay sussing amy. even if wrong on amy, i like his scope and depth of thought. possibly my highest townread after tutuu, personally
master radishes - i share sus of master radishes that others do; don't particularly think tutuu's reason for townreading radishes is a great one. just re-skimmed the iso, don't see any great reasons to want to town. apparently he keeps getting yeeted d1 in games recently? keep streak going? give him respite? decisions
long con - could easily be scum. no strong reason to want to town. pretty much =rand imo
nanook - towny but not out of scumrange (think he has a respectable scumgame); unlikely w/w with nutella, i said i'd give him a pass
scirrus - i keep vibing with his catchup. i feel like there is a genuine town solving process in his catchup. i'm fine with his reads. i'm ok with him being ok with consensus. probalby top 4 town, personally.
KZA - might just be frozen scum. no reason to disbelieve benson. no reason to read him town at this point in the game.
colin - could easily just be scum, but if amy is w and scirrus is town, i think it might just be too blatant of a chainsaw to be w/w with amy? idk interested to see where he goes next time he's around
colonialbob - ?
dizzy - ?
wwh - townvibes for some reason, no reason to not effectively have in null for now
iaafr - self-aware wolf
nutella - just recently gave thoughts on her, recently decided could be w/w with amy


perfectly willing to end up voting some sketchball who doesnt seem to want to play anyway over either amy or nutella though

I really like that you gave these reads. Personally, I'm kind of surprised that you're townreading me as I hadn't contributed that much up to that point

[WerewolfHunter]

Okay let’s do thoughts and stuff. Disclaimer: in a technical sense I’ve read everything, but whether I’ve retained much of it is an open question.


(Yes, yes, go on and scroll to your name first. You know you want to.)


Alison – their immediate barely-justified tunnel on a friend could be an easy way for a scum to kick off the game (albeit I agreed with it when I read the early pages), but their turnaround on that read felt natural. Apparently that’s a thing scum Alison is capable of, though. But overall she seems to be finding targets naturally so far.

Amy – I don’t really want to make a read because I am cognizant that this is my first game with her and she’s a red on MU and that has baggage. Like I know it doesn’t matter and yet it does lead to hesitation. On the surface I don’t find anything egregious but I think that was exactly iaafr’s case against her, that it was all fakeable, and yeah, it is. But maybe I’m jumping to conclusions too quickly because of rEpUtAtIoN. I think a stronger take is that I find her explanation about being exhausted from Anni genuine (NAI but genuine) and so I don’t think she puts in this much effort if she’s scum.

Bensluga – town by post count. Usually I can find a couple posts that I know never come from scum B and I haven’t found those posts yet, but it’s early days and his reads are flowing naturally like a river even as they change course. I'm realising as I type this I haven't seen his scum game in a long time unless I'm forgetting one, but he enjoys towning and he seems to be enjoying himself here.

Colin – had to iso to even remember his (few) posts. I’ve mis-read him before based on activity level, so will refrain from shouting ‘scum’ from the rooftops or anything. But he's heavy in the PoE for complete lack of content. (I spot a single post with game content – saying he finds the sus of Scirrus more valid than that of Amy.)

Colonialbob – null

Dizzy – null (sadface)

Rabbit – um…pass? I’ve never seen scum iaafr in action so I don’t know what to look for. When I played with him in Inception I found it easy to find him as town, and I almost feel he seems a bit more mimicky of himself here than organic. E.g. he bounces his reads around a lot when town, and here he…has…but not as much. But like, post capping probably is impacting that pretty heavily. So let’s call him town for now, but I’m less certain than I want to be.

Kaz – this is only his third game off of Canucks (where Benson and I know him from) and in the other two he sat back in D1 and mainly stuck to quips and one-line posts, and he’s doing that here. I felt pretty comfortable calling him town in those other games even when others didn’t because of meta. But he’s also maybe going through the motions a bit more in this game? Definitely in the PoE, and with him that’s worrying to me – I get why others would slot him there, but if both Benson and I are putting him there that’s not a good sign.

Long Con – he’s popping in seemingly at random to post unmemorable commentary. So…probably town. But he’s good at skating by so not locking that in. I've seen him as scum twice, iirc, and both times I had him high in my townreads.

Nanook – I think it was Nutella who suggested he was mimicking his ‘nanookness’ or something like that. That…could definitely be right. But I’ve never learned to tell the difference. I did scum with him recently and he was more involved in the early game (whilst still maintaining his classic laissez-faire attitude) whereas here he just doesn’t seem to care at all, so GTH town.

Nutella – I’m vibing with her a lot as I usually do, but I’ve still not seen her scum game and I’m worried I’m going to get suckered in one time. I thought I saw a difference in her in Pyre based on how she went after me, but then she was apparently town in that one (I’m still not sure I believe it) so I’ve gone from thinking I can townread her easily to being uncertain if I know her at all. I’m mainly writing this off the top of my head so I don’t remember exactly why she’s getting votes now – was it her sheeping other votes? Regardless, I’m going to need to properly iso her to form a solid read, but GTH town.

Proto – didn’t really like their entrance as previously discussed, but since then I’ve liked their game. Like, they’re just poking around a bit and throwing out reads they’re comfortable making and such. No sense of worry or pressure to do something.

Scirrus – already discussed my dislike of his thread entrance, and his catch-up was…uninspiring. The question is did it help him reach any conclusions. He basically townreads a few consensus townreads, lists a rather disparate trio of scumreads, and apparently everyone else, including a number of top posters, are null. I can’t say anything pings me per se, but neither do I see anything townie-looking that makes me want to change my read.

Tim – so, um, disclosure…I didn’t actually read his fabulous wolf game in G10. So I actually don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking for to stop myself getting fooled. He seems pretty chill so far, like he just wants to have some fun and hunt some scum.

Tutuu – I agree with others that she felt a bit off D0, but also that she feels more like the tutuu I remember from Pyre in D1 so far – vivacious, bouncy, just plain fun to read. I feel like tone is something she can probably fake (and may be doing so after getting heat on D0) but what I particularly like is that her reads generally match the thread’s but not 100% so, which feels like a townie getting the same feel as other townies but accounting for standard deviance. I maintain some hesitance on reading her town, but yeah, probably just town.

WH – putting aside the opening-post mixup, which is clearly a genuine mistake, I do feel she has been…reserved. But nothing has pinged me, and the confusion over the opening post mix-up didn't reveal any worry about being caught for the wrong reasons. Still a PoE slot by virtue of not being a town slot.



This turned out longer than I had anticipated.

No problem, I don't mind me misgendered but I'm female. I really like seeing these types of reads lists.

[WerewolfHunter]

could someone remind me of the post limit later lol?

I also need to stop tunneling on someone when I have an initial evil read of them it's hard for me to back off and reevaluate

[WerewolfHunter]

also, for reference I was responding as I was catching up

[Timsup2nothin]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

It's past midnight now plus I'm on phone but I will if someone reminds me when I wake up tomorrow

[mention]WerewolfHunter[/mention]

Friendly reminder.

[WerewolfHunter]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

It's past midnight now plus I'm on phone but I will if someone reminds me when I wake up tomorrow

@WerewolfHunter

Friendly reminder.

working on it right now. Question, how do I iso someone?

[WerewolfHunter]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

It's past midnight now plus I'm on phone but I will if someone reminds me when I wake up tomorrow

@WerewolfHunter

Friendly reminder.

working on it right now. Question, how do I iso someone?

I mean is there a mechanic on this site?

[Master Radishes]

Okay actual case on Scirrus, since I see a lot of chatter but not a lot of votes which makes me :fry: ...

Spoiler: show

to be or not to be...

town? scum?

that is the question

but have we ever thought

what is it that truly makes a town a town

what is it that truly makes a scum a scum

in this game, it is our duty, as town, to unlock the essence

of what towniness

actually means

to us

But not just to us!

What towniness

just

is.

I must take slumber my friends. I look forward to playing with you all.

Many unfamiliar faces may prove to be quite the challenge! But never fear. The towny pen is mightier than the scummy sword.

Farewell.

Opening posts have been previously discussed – of all attempts at playing up to the theme of the game, these feel the most deliberately constructed to appear casual. (And on a flavour note, Shakespeare isn’t a philosopher anyway.) This suggests a discomfort in entering the thread. This is not something to base an entire read on, but it’s worth mentioning in conjunction with…

Spoiler: show

No way am I quoting all those long-ass quotewalls. Go open up his iso for yourself.

The bulk of his presence in this game has been the catch-up posts. They are about a third fluff, a third commentary that goes nowhere, and a third softball questions.

But I think what I don’t like is mainly that I feel there’s an agenda Scirrus is maintaining here. Like he keeps quoting and talking to/about the same people (about half of all his quoted posts are from or ultimately end up being about iaafr) and there’s no sense of his own reads evolving – from beginning to end he seems to have the same opinions on these people (e.g. iaafr is town, Tim is town, Amy is sus). There’s a bit of progression on tutuu from being uncertain to leaning town, but that’s about it that I see. Also the intent in selecting quotes is unclear – like, Colin is quoted twice despite barely being in the game, wereas quite a few people who have been active are barely talked to or about.

And then he sums up his reads…

Spoiler: show

so far i'm at like

town: iaafr, benson, tutuu,

town lean: WH, alison, proto,

null: everbody else

nah: MR, Amy, colin

yeah i'm moving tim back to hard null.

need more townleans

my colin read is pretty much omgus from that one post tbh combined with the fact that i've seen nothing else game related from him

I mean you do get a sense of him liking Benson, Alison, and Proto, but there’s little in the way of specifics given as to why they get townreads beyond him quoting some of their posts and commenting on them in a non-negative manner. In fact, I thought he was probing Proto a bit out of some disagreements at one point, but apparently not? And WH – where did that townlean come from? Based on the catch-up I don’t get it seeing as there’s not even a passing mention of WH in those quotewalls. And Tim is now in null despite multiple reasons for liking him as per the quote walls. His scumread of me also seems purely omgus and/or a misunderstanding of my ‘I’m not playing seriously yet’ tongue in cheek post.

-

So basically:
*His opening felt uncomfortable
*His catch up felt disparate and more so seemed posting for the sake of posting
*His ‘catch up’ also was mainly soft questions and commentary and focused on the same handful of players
*He seemed to maintain pre-formed reads, rather than use his catch-up as a means of forming those reads
*His conclusions don’t match what one gets from his quotewalls

I think this is a wolf who is trying to scrape enough marks for a passing grade by showing their work and hoping the teacher doesn’t notice they are just guessing at the answers.

[Timsup2nothin]

Find one of their posts and on the left under their avatar there's an ISO their posts link. There are maybe other ways, maybe easier, but that's what I've found so far.

Post cap for D1 is 60 posts by the way so be careful. You have 28 in topic now...it's under your avatar...but I don't know how many of those were day zero. I think that's recorded somewhere but I dunno because I just noted mine for myself.



P=N-36

[Master Radishes]

the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum

Could you explain more about how to read her?

Some of their posts seemed kind of like it had evil pings

could you quote the evil pings you perceived and try to articulate them?

It's past midnight now plus I'm on phone but I will if someone reminds me when I wake up tomorrow

@WerewolfHunter

Friendly reminder.

working on it right now. Question, how do I iso someone?

I mean is there a mechanic on this site?

Two ways you can do it:

A) There's a button beneath our names <-- that says 'Isolate posts by...'

B) The host's OP lists the iso links all in one place as well

[Master Radishes]

No problem, I don't mind me misgendered but I'm female. I really like seeing these types of reads lists.

Oh, I did know that and thought I'd used correct pronouns. Sorry if I slipped.

[Epignosis]

Good day, scholars, sages, and scribes.

If you find yourself frustrated at any time during your deliberations, whether you are angry with another participant or you have a grievance with your host, please direct any of that displeasure to my inbox privately and we can engage in friendly discourse over your concerns.

May your time here be intellectually stimulating and civil.

[WerewolfHunter]

I'm glad I decided to do this because I am starting to reevaluate my perspective

hiii

town once again. never maf. livin the good life

Although, this may not be true for everyone I find that evils can be likely to joke about these type of things.

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

I'm not quite sure how to phrase this. I do find it interesting perspective to ask about this

22/30

re: alison yes i understand that but i just thought it didnt make much sense to me to pre-emptively reveal your thoughts to someone you're trying to interrogate. id peronsally keep that to myself but i guess thats ujst me and i have no reason to believe this is scummy for u

re: benson i thought he was just free-flowy and trying to start conversations and stuff like that. he made the first post that broke the tone of the game from chit-chat to a serious post when he asked tims2upnothing about something that i forgot what was it but i remember thinking that i didnt think iaafr was interested the answer but he just asked to get the ball rolling at least thats the impressino i got but i didnt imemdiately say itt that i find it towny cuz i wasnt that confident but now i feel kinda cornered to say this?

edit linki (alisons's last post) i kinda agree that i also feel a bit sketched out. he could be town and that could just be humor but idk

I feel this seems somewhat pingy or knowledgeable.

23/30

yes tim, lol

benson as i said part of my intention when making that post was trying to be cute/funny. i wanted an excuse to say "i wanna argue your read on yourself". and the budget "read" was genuine just like everything else ive been saying this game cuz im town

This post seems to be justifying previous actions. I feel that evils are more likely to do it than town but town still coukd

gun to head i want to call scirrus scum for this catch up post but then i looked closely under his avatar and i just saw it says "Scirrus" underneath so that makes me think that i should reverse my feelings, call him town, and i might be correct

8/60

well, for me catching up and saying I'm doing so doesn't neccesarily make me evil. I would need to have more reasoning behind evil on someone than just based on a single post

god im so fucking towny. especially my 2 last post just reek of townyness. reek is a bad word actually, whats the word for pleasant smell? pleasant aroma of full lock town innocent child. subjectively im obv town. objectively im obv town. factually speaking, not up to debate, pure axiom, i am the most towny town this game and i am dying n1 based off of purely how god damn fucking TOWNY i am. if u disagree ur mafia

10/60

This post really pinged me. I'm not really sure why. I feel like evils could say they are being towny

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

This is a good post that makes me lean more town

(lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.)

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

also, i love you very much, alison.

tutuu -
proto - town cuz of thinking me saying SHUT UP ALISON was actually rude and thinking it was maf/maf theatre
alison - town cuz rock-paper-scissor fallacy
amy - town cuz of the erect finger tell (im stealing this from dizzy. its basically when u raise ur finger at someone and b like "OH HELL NAW")
beluga whale - town cuz lonely
long con - town cuz i just said why
timsup2nothing - town cuz i like his posts. also i had 1 very intelligent reason listed on day 0
master radishes - town cuz of the "oh do me do me!" gif. like, excitement at seeing how ppl would read him. curiosity. town shit
nanook - town cuz he called me town and maybe correctly townread radish
scirrus - towny cuz hes scummy
KZA - town cuz had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr
colin -
colonialbob -
dizzy -
werewolfhunter -
iaafr - maf cuz voting a villager
nutella - maf cuz just throwing shade and being impossible to townread in my subjective and personal opinion

13/60

edit linki: awp is that sniper from counterstrike, beluga whale

also (to asnwer ur q) i guess my emotions arent set in stone i just felt the mood to change my "persona" u could say idk. from my pov it all makes sense and its normal. maybe its not like that from an outside pov idk

(think formatting got messed up. I don't qute have reads let in this game but for lack of a better time the reads seemed kind of blunt. I do understand that I am null at this point)

im sorry that i came off as depreciating your play @Amy , genuinely wasnt my intent. i can tell that u felt a bit slighted, even if u choose to deny this, and i apologize



i was just thinking out loud in terms of why its reinforcing my townread on u / i guess i kinda wanted to give a hint to ppl still struggling to find u as town

(I feel that the first half of this post seems more like town. I feel the part about hinting seemed the other way)

In the end, I've tried not to be offensive or rude and hope my takes don't come of that way. I lean evil but it wasn't initially as much as I had thought,

[nutella]

I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

Help I’m being M I S R E P R E S E N T E D

butterflyisthisamafiatell?.jpg

dude chill

yeah you've given reads. I guess more what I'm trying to say is your tone feels fabricated to me. I know that's not a productive thing to defend against but it's there in the back of my head. I said I'm daypassing you anyway, don't get your boxer briefs in a knot.

Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.

good post. the long post about the tim reaction test thingy was p good too. amy can be v for now


inb4 rabbit calls this w/w

[nutella]

actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder

liking your defense didn't necessarily earn you a spot outside the poe, mostly because almost everyone else is so villagery. however your post about rabbit that I just quoted did move you up

[Benson]

@Benson you seem to be here, yes?

I'm going to go eat lunch. Leave me a summary of why nutella? I got lazy when reading the pages I missed whilst sleeping and didn't pay attention.

You didn't ask me, and I'm sort of in morning catch up over breakfast mode, but since Benluga Whale didn't mention it...

My biggest, and probably only, problem with Nutella is her Amy read. It's maybe too small a problem to justify being on a four vote wagon but at this early stage it is more than I have on anyone else and she has thus far offered no explanation.

If you ISO her and specifically jump out for context when her Amy views shift there never seems to be any good reason...and her view shifts A LOT. It reads to me as (possibly) "is there really a chance to mischop a strong player like Amy day one here?" If Amy is not a wolf I KNOW that a Nutella wolf team would be overjoyed to get rid of her without an NK, but would also be wary about getting caught actively pushing such a wagon...and that's kind of the feeling I get from her.

Yeah, I didn't mention that read flip flop because I think it's pretty NAI for nutella. She tends to do that as town (the shifting views), so if anything it may be a good sign. But the point you bring up still seems reasonable - regarding her happily pushing a miselim on Amy if the support is there from others.

I really just want to know what nutella's follow up is to all that.

I'm overly focusing on radish because I know him the most, but he still truly doesn't sit well with me. Like I wouldn't expect a full reads list out of him this early before he's really done significant investigative work; and he evidently hasn't done that. The list just looks like work for the sake of work. Sorry, MR, if you're town and I'm disrespecting you right now.
My new spicy take is that if we're just totally on point with nutella, then maybe he's wolfing with her. Or maybe it's a TMI read so he can salvage some town equity is she's miselimed.

Who says I haven't done investigative work?

Of course you have done some. And I promise to look closely at your Scrirrus case tonight.
But, I expect you as town to do the ground-work before you come up with a big reads list. Like that's the type of thing I thought you would leave until last, when you've explored different topics and done some significant analysis. To lead with the readslist today is something that I can't help but be suspicious of. Because that's an easier way for wolves to re-introduce themselves into the thread and look like they've put in work. And it's also how they operate: start with the "reads" they want to push, and then find the justification/evidence post hoc.
Idk, maybe I'm totally off on that.

[WerewolfHunter]

.
ugh I did that again and just deleted a post lol

well, at least it wasn't long. I just wanted to mention that most of my reads are based on playing with these people for the first time. I haven't really played much with anyone in this game

[Benson]

Actually, I realize nutella has (and just did) follow up her Amy reads, so you can disregard that point in my previous post. I guess if anything, nute, I want to know what was your *initial* read on Amy when you voted? What specifically about her subsequent posts made you think town?

[nutella]

I don't really get why I'm at the bottom of everyone's list but okay, yeah I didn't explain my amy read very deeply, yeah I sheeped people's early reads, yeah maybe I'm not as obviously villagery as people who are writing more. but I'm lazy. sheeping reads and flip flopping is firmly in my town meta. i'm like a hybrid of hally and iaafr. Amy in particular may have higher expectations of my town meta based on the spec chat game because I put significantly more effort into it than games here, I almost treated it as a real champs game so it's not really a fair basis for how I play here -- Ranmilia made the same mistake in speccing the pyre game and scumreading me because I was lazier in it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk I think 2 very confident and one semi-confident read is pretty good for where we are/I am.

Well, I assumed the rabbit read was mostly you meming or something. What do you see so far from him that is worthy of that confidence?

Here’s a word I hate

He’s very pure

I’m not going to explain it beyond that but yeah his tone has been super good imo.

[WerewolfHunter]

Idk I think 2 very confident and one semi-confident read is pretty good for where we are/I am.

Well, I assumed the rabbit read was mostly you meming or something. What do you see so far from him that is worthy of that confidence?

Here’s a word I hate

He’s very pure

I’m not going to explain it beyond that but yeah his tone has been super good imo.

I don't know why but I really seem to get this post

[Master Radishes]

Oh sure, you all show up now when I'm heading out. I see how it is.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game

Help I’m being M I S R E P R E S E N T E D

butterflyisthisamafiatell?.jpg

dude chill

yeah you've given reads. I guess more what I'm trying to say is your tone feels fabricated to me. I know that's not a productive thing to defend against but it's there in the back of my head. I said I'm daypassing you anyway, don't get your boxer briefs in a knot.

Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.

good post. the long post about the tim reaction test thingy was p good too. amy can be v for now


inb4 rabbit calls this w/w

....

Ok fine I’ll give you a day pass for accurately assessing me as a boxer briefs man


[also you may be taking my jokes a bit too seriously methinks]

[Master Radishes]

I'm overly focusing on radish because I know him the most, but he still truly doesn't sit well with me. Like I wouldn't expect a full reads list out of him this early before he's really done significant investigative work; and he evidently hasn't done that. The list just looks like work for the sake of work. Sorry, MR, if you're town and I'm disrespecting you right now.
My new spicy take is that if we're just totally on point with nutella, then maybe he's wolfing with her. Or maybe it's a TMI read so he can salvage some town equity is she's miselimed.

Who says I haven't done investigative work?

Of course you have done some. And I promise to look closely at your Scrirrus case tonight.
But, I expect you as town to do the ground-work before you come up with a big reads list. Like that's the type of thing I thought you would leave until last, when you've explored different topics and done some significant analysis. To lead with the readslist today is something that I can't help but be suspicious of. Because that's an easier way for wolves to re-introduce themselves into the thread and look like they've put in work. And it's also how they operate: start with the "reads" they want to push, and then find the justification/evidence post hoc.
Idk, maybe I'm totally off on that.

Everyone thinks they know how I operate. No one ever realises that I just make things up as I go.

If it helps, I began that readslist post as not a readslist post. I was going to comment on Alison/tutuu and Amy/nutella/Scirrus and then in doing so I ended up dropping reads on others and before I knew it it had become a full-blown readslist. Unusually for D1 I do feel like I can give a read on everyone in this game (sans the two 1-posters), however uncertain some of the reads remain. Maybe we just have an assortment of distinct personalities.

[tutuu]

[mention]WerewolfHunter[/mention] any other reads? and in your conclusion, am i town or mafia after all?

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, I think Nanook is just town. I liked nutella's tinfoil take, but his particular lack of caring seems like Townook from my experience.