Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Benson]

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

This kind of gives me intimidation vibes tbh.

I do get what you're saying. I'm a risk averse person as well. BUT there are clearly a lot of good or great players in this game that can be useful villagers, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to give a free pass. If Amy is the wolfiest player by the end of D1 then she should get lynched, or at least get considered. That's how I try to operate.
You are right that the tendency is always to go towards the safer lynch, but that isn't always the best play to allow that to happen.

I will say that if I am going to seriously push to get her lynched at EoD I would surely bring forward a more compelling case than I currently have.

Maybe we use the terms differently, but I don't think Amy is ever a deepwolf when she's already under this much suspicion. To me, potential "deep wolves" could be you, Alison, or rabbit. Players like that.


You or anyone else can call me Benluga or whatever you want. It's terrible but in a funny way.

If you bring that more compelling case I will back you 100%. I don't think such a case can be made without flips and looking at votes, but if you can make it good good good on you.

In the meantime I'd appreciate any help you can give in sorting among the admittedly more likely chops that a risk averse village will almost certainly wind up choosing from. Thanx in advance.

That'll certainly be a focus tomorrow (sorting the lower posters).
I anticipate the Scirrus wagon inevitably losing steam now that Hally is in that slot. Or maybe I'm wrong and those on the wagon are truly convinced from what they saw and will stay despite what Hally does now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

pausing in my catchup because lmao

I’m glad someone laughed at my frankly amazing joke, tyvm

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

The Captain stuff was townie idk what to tell you

You literally just saw me townreading people this fast, now you’re scumreading me for...townreading people too fast. Wut.

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

This kind of gives me intimidation vibes tbh.

I do get what you're saying. I'm a risk averse person as well. BUT there are clearly a lot of good or great players in this game that can be useful villagers, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to give a free pass. If Amy is the wolfiest player by the end of D1 then she should get lynched, or at least get considered. That's how I try to operate.
You are right that the tendency is always to go towards the safer lynch, but that isn't always the best play to allow that to happen.

I will say that if I am going to seriously push to get her lynched at EoD I would surely bring forward a more compelling case than I currently have.

Maybe we use the terms differently, but I don't think Amy is ever a deepwolf when she's already under this much suspicion. To me, potential "deep wolves" could be you, Alison, or rabbit. Players like that.


You or anyone else can call me Benluga or whatever you want. It's terrible but in a funny way.

If you bring that more compelling case I will back you 100%. I don't think such a case can be made without flips and looking at votes, but if you can make it good good good on you.

In the meantime I'd appreciate any help you can give in sorting among the admittedly more likely chops that a risk averse village will almost certainly wind up choosing from. Thanx in advance.

That'll certainly be a focus tomorrow (sorting the lower posters).
I anticipate the Scirrus wagon inevitably losing steam now that Hally is in that slot. Or maybe I'm wrong and those on the wagon are truly convinced from what they saw and will stay despite what Hally does now.

Excellent.

I doubt the wagon holds once Hally starts shaking the thread. She is highly motivated and has a perspective looking from among the more viable chops...she is probably the best real chance we have of actually finding a day one pelt.

[Hally]

just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

[Alison]

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

I have faith in your ability to shine as obvtown if you are villager! That's why I'm happy you replaced into the slot, you can save it from an unjust execute if we are wrong about Scirrus.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

Omg you agree with 2/3 of my reads then scumread what are you even doing rn

[WerewolfHunter]

24/60

I thought I check in one more time before bed

I was actually considering voting the seat but am liking Hally's post more.

[Alison]

Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

[Hally]

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

The Captain stuff was townie idk what to tell you

You literally just saw me townreading people this fast, now you’re scumreading me for...townreading people too fast. Wut.

i dont really think it was towny but ok

it’s also just the vibe of your posts seems fake to me. but i’ve only seen like two of them so that may change. tbdddd

just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

Omg you agree with 2/3 of my reads then scumread what are you even doing rn

no? i agree with your tutuu read so far, that’s all! but you don’t get points for that because tutuu is so obvious

back to reading

[Hally]

Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

nah, my slot is town. don’t write me off yet, i will sparkle soon enough!

(also part of the reason i may not be as sparkly town is because my town game relies on spewing thoughts constantly, which i can’t do with a post cap unfortunately. like normally i’d catchup live as much as possible but i don’t wanna get capped. nothing i can do about this though, but it has so far been a problem for me in light games so i’m just putting it out there)

[Timsup2nothin]

[mention]Allison[/mention]

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

[mention]nutella[/mention] is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

[Alison]

Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

nah, my slot is town. don’t write me off yet, i will sparkle soon enough!

(also part of the reason i may not be as sparkly town is because my town game relies on spewing thoughts constantly, which i can’t do with a post cap unfortunately. like normally i’d catchup live as much as possible but i don’t wanna get capped. nothing i can do about this though, but it has so far been a problem for me in light games so i’m just putting it out there)

Whatever your alignment, I empathize with this. I wrote about having the same feeling myself, being stifled by the post cap. I'll try to keep that in mind and avoid writing you off just because you can't stretch your wings as you normally are, but I do want to see some Hally-brand towniness to offset Scirrus' posts.

I'm surprised you haven't commented on nutella's posts about nanook yet - or have you not reached that point?

[Hally]

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

just gonna note randomly that this pinged me as potentially scum with radishes (because i dont think radishes has been nearly as towny as me and tutuu and this kind of early declaration of 3 townreads comes from scum a decent amount) but this is like

an extremely weak read

posting it anyway because why not

ok you are now a town read

[Benson]

I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

[iaafr]

wait till you find out i was the only one townreading your slot in the entire game lmao

[iaafr]

also hi hally!!!!!! excited to play with you, hope youre town for more reasons than one!

50/60

[Timsup2nothin]

I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

This is wolf lurkiness and vastly different than my read on LC. LC posts when he posts without regard to whether he "needs" to or not, and his posts refer back to context deep in the thread. It isn't this "snap to action OMGUS" on things that are just happening at the moment.

Hally is about one good post away from me switching my vote here.

[Benson]

Spoiler: show

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

This kind of gives me intimidation vibes tbh.

I do get what you're saying. I'm a risk averse person as well. BUT there are clearly a lot of good or great players in this game that can be useful villagers, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to give a free pass. If Amy is the wolfiest player by the end of D1 then she should get lynched, or at least get considered. That's how I try to operate.
You are right that the tendency is always to go towards the safer lynch, but that isn't always the best play to allow that to happen.

I will say that if I am going to seriously push to get her lynched at EoD I would surely bring forward a more compelling case than I currently have.

Maybe we use the terms differently, but I don't think Amy is ever a deepwolf when she's already under this much suspicion. To me, potential "deep wolves" could be you, Alison, or rabbit. Players like that.


You or anyone else can call me Benluga or whatever you want. It's terrible but in a funny way.

If you bring that more compelling case I will back you 100%. I don't think such a case can be made without flips and looking at votes, but if you can make it good good good on you.

In the meantime I'd appreciate any help you can give in sorting among the admittedly more likely chops that a risk averse village will almost certainly wind up choosing from. Thanx in advance.

That'll certainly be a focus tomorrow (sorting the lower posters).
I anticipate the Scirrus wagon inevitably losing steam now that Hally is in that slot. Or maybe I'm wrong and those on the wagon are truly convinced from what they saw and will stay despite what Hally does now.

Excellent.

I doubt the wagon holds once Hally starts shaking the thread. She is highly motivated and has a perspective looking from among the more viable chops...she is probably the best real chance we have of actually finding a day one pelt.

Because you're just that much more confident in Hally than you are of your previous SR on scirrus?

[Hally]

clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).

i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60

Legit lold at the whale avatar thing. Names are forgettable but beluga whales are forever.

Spoiler: show

I don't know if you saw, but I've been lightly sussing nute so far. I've towned with her once before and I feel like I found her pretty quickly because she projected well with how villagery her stream-of-conscious posting came across. The constraints of this game are certainly different but I'm not seeing those towny thoughts. Like she's mainly just agreed or disagreed with things that others are saying. But maybe it was D0 and she didn't care that much?

I think I'll force myself to break for the night so I don't waste too many posts before the round has really started.

wanted to say that up to this point i don’t yet have but as town, which is slightly worrying because i also find her extremely easy to find when we’re both town

BUT that being said, yeah she has a similar stream of consciousness style to me that really gets inhibited by having a post restriction. so that could be why. also i’m only just to the start of D1 now anyway so

[Hally]

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

you’re still my favorite

[Benson]

I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

This is wolf lurkiness and vastly different than my read on LC. LC posts when he posts without regard to whether he "needs" to or not, and his posts refer back to context deep in the thread. It isn't this "snap to action OMGUS" on things that are just happening at the moment.

Hally is about one good post away from me switching my vote here.

I agree.

At the same time, Nanook is so blatantly lurking and not caring that I question why he'd deploy this strategy as a wolf. Unless this is just something he always does and he thinks he can get away with it?

[nutella]

sup hally!

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

wolfy post tho

I wasn’t actually planning to pay attention to this game until like D3 but are you guys nutso IAAFR is like hard clear

He’s also probably town


Tutu is also pretty town based off the three posts of hers I read


I’m doing it dad I’m doing a mafia

nanook my dude are you wolfing

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

....townier posts

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

not sure what you're asking me here? just that nanook is responding aggressively to being called out and not to much else?

[nutella]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] can you explain why you TR radish?

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

sup hally!

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

wolfy post tho

I wasn’t actually planning to pay attention to this game until like D3 but are you guys nutso IAAFR is like hard clear

He’s also probably town


Tutu is also pretty town based off the three posts of hers I read


I’m doing it dad I’m doing a mafia

nanook my dude are you wolfing

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

....townier posts

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

not sure what you're asking me here? just that nanook is responding aggressively to being called out and not to much else?

Yeah. Like is that normal for him as town? I might not respond to sus from a lead wagon as either alignment so it all seems weird to me, especially if he's town.


[mention]Benson[/mention] yeah I do have a lot of confidence in Hally, and seldom have much if any in anyone's day one wolf reads...particularly mine. The last time I saw someone make what I thought was a real solid day one case it was Amy that made it...she was town...and she was wrong.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay, just read through the Hally catchup. I don't see the shining town spark in her like I usually do when she's town. Hallyrus is probably just wolf. Sorry Hally.

Also nanook, agreeing with someone's reads doesn't mean you have to townread them. Like you can think it's TMI. Or you can agree with the reads but think the way they got there is made up.

I live in my own world and you're no longer invited

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

The Captain stuff was townie idk what to tell you

You literally just saw me townreading people this fast, now you’re scumreading me for...townreading people too fast. Wut.

i dont really think it was towny but ok

it’s also just the vibe of your posts seems fake to me. but i’ve only seen like two of them so that may change. tbdddd

just finished page 4

tutuu seems like obvious town!tutuu to me. she’s just overflowing with towniness in the same way as space invaders

iaafr idk yet even though he posted a fair bit. same with tim

benson i wanna say is town. alison i also wanna say is town even though she is a scary wolf. she seems really towny to me so far though

nanook is actually giving me really wolfy vibes off his first two posts

that’s all that sticks out atm

Omg you agree with 2/3 of my reads then scumread what are you even doing rn

no? i agree with your tutuu read so far, that’s all! but you don’t get points for that because tutuu is so obvious

back to reading

Tbf you said this in Jack too then we towncored anyways so maybe there's still hope

I get the sense Nanook is always around but only chooses to post when someone has said something negative about him.

Not true! I also respond to positive things said about me.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you explain why you TR radish?

Yes I thought his captain interaction with me was townie. I don't think scumRadishes is that uh...idk the right word, blatant I guess? It's admittedly not as strong as my Rabbit and Tutuu reads.

[Hally]

Spoiler: show

Good luck, have fun all – just checking into the game to say I am present and ready. Uh, in case anyone gets suspicious that I am not saying “look at me I am town”, here you go – its totally NAI for me as a player. I am hard to read if you haven’t played with me before, I am still sometimes hard to read if you have – suggest you sheep their reads on me for first few days if I confuse you. Does anyone know how I can keep track of daily postcount? Even on day 0, I have mafia reads on people.

im innocent town thats all i know

Found the mafia.

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

MOOD

but consider

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?

SHUT UP ALISON

im about to watch this movie u recommended btw. kung fu hustle. u said its very funny

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Found another mafia

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

re: protocultures

honestly this is just a really towny post and i immediately wanted to locktown proto for it alone, with extremely limited meta (skimmed space invaders)

the scumreads feel good, not overjustified, just real. this dude has 3 real scumreads off the bat. scum who can post like this are omega rare.

consider this post my towncase on protocultures.

im sheeping this

so now i have tutuu, alison, rabbit, benson and porto as town

and nut and nanook as noticeably lacking in towniness

also apparently dizzy is in this game? where are you though

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

[Timsup2nothin]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

[Long Con]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

That they're wrong and should feel bad about it, mostly

Fwiw I'm also much more tongue in cheek than some people are aware of

Also I do actually think my reads are pretty solid, especially the fluffy and tutu reads. I pretty firmly believe in the power of early correct reads.

[Timsup2nothin]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

Maybe? They came really early so they genuinely could not have had much behind them. I mean they are probably head and shoulders better than an avatar read, and lord knows I make plenty of those...but he hasn't really provided any notable enhancements over time either.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't need to make enhancements they're good reads lol

[iaafr]

benefits of eating ants:

[Long Con]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

Maybe? They came really early so they genuinely could not have had much behind them. I mean they are probably head and shoulders better than an avatar read, and lord knows I make plenty of those...but he hasn't really provided any notable enhancements over time either.

Also, I appreciate the signature read earlier, thanks. I have had sigs turned off for quite some time now, to make mobile Mafia easier, and I haven't looked at my own sig in a while. I love that sig, that pic is me in the Hard Rock Café in Las Vegas, on my honeymoon, and I think it's pretty cool.

[Timsup2nothin]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

I believe it's 3/3 though, which is significantly above rand!

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'll let you know when I have more reads, those are the three I have high confidence in.

[Hally]

Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.

You're gonna be pretty disappointed!

hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade

I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???

@nutella still waiting for an explanation what this even means

should be obvious tbh since youve only done one thing in your posts this game and thats what im referring to

you're playing up your character of not doing shit d1 and yes you have done so a fair bit in recent town games but your tone is different here and so i have a gut read that you're faking/emphasizing it a bit unnaturally

idk it's not a strong read i'm just concerned that you don't feel quite right

hrm ok this is interesting because i have the same exact read on nanook up this point but i also think you’re kinda wolfy too. buuuut idk if you would say this about nanook ever if teamed so there’s probably like exactly one wolf between the two of you? i think?

also using this post to say that i haven’t seen anything from radishes up to this point that would make me wanna tr him, which might be concerning

also my eyes kinda glaze over when i read tim’s posts and idk how to form a read there because i’m too scared of his wolf game

no read on amy yet. think that’s all so far

[Timsup2nothin]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

Maybe? They came really early so they genuinely could not have had much behind them. I mean they are probably head and shoulders better than an avatar read, and lord knows I make plenty of those...but he hasn't really provided any notable enhancements over time either.

Also, I appreciate the signature read earlier, thanks. I have had sigs turned off for quite some time now, to make mobile Mafia easier, and I haven't looked at my own sig in a while. I love that sig, that pic is me in the Hard Rock Café in Las Vegas, on my honeymoon, and I think it's pretty cool.

Is this by chance the shading against a town read that you mentioned that you do as a wolf?

[Long Con]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

Maybe? They came really early so they genuinely could not have had much behind them. I mean they are probably head and shoulders better than an avatar read, and lord knows I make plenty of those...but he hasn't really provided any notable enhancements over time either.

Also, I appreciate the signature read earlier, thanks. I have had sigs turned off for quite some time now, to make mobile Mafia easier, and I haven't looked at my own sig in a while. I love that sig, that pic is me in the Hard Rock Café in Las Vegas, on my honeymoon, and I think it's pretty cool.

Is this by chance the shading against a town read that you mentioned that you do as a wolf?

I didn't think it was shading. I was thanking you for mentioning my sig because it reminded me of its existence and gave me good memories. I don't take the avatar/sig reads seriously because I don't think that you do either.

[Hally]

also [mention]nutella[/mention] in your reads list earlier you had nanook as “won’t chop today” which presumably meant you te him? but in your post that i just quoted you find him wolfy so i’m wondering like, why was he placed so high initially and what changed?

ignore this if you’ve addressed it already, i’m still living in the past

[Long Con]

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to [me and nutella] can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me, and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I don't totally know how to read this sentence.

[Timsup2nothin]

Fwiw I'm always slightly offended/bewildered at being scumread

This is not a good combination with somewhat scummy thread presence. You give a smattering of very early (meaning of dubious quality) reads and then mostly peace out until someone calls you on having done very little as if they are wrong? What's the thinking behind this?

Are Nanook's reads more dubious in quality than other reads put forth?

Maybe? They came really early so they genuinely could not have had much behind them. I mean they are probably head and shoulders better than an avatar read, and lord knows I make plenty of those...but he hasn't really provided any notable enhancements over time either.

Also, I appreciate the signature read earlier, thanks. I have had sigs turned off for quite some time now, to make mobile Mafia easier, and I haven't looked at my own sig in a while. I love that sig, that pic is me in the Hard Rock Café in Las Vegas, on my honeymoon, and I think it's pretty cool.

Is this by chance the shading against a town read that you mentioned that you do as a wolf?

I didn't think it was shading. I was thanking you for mentioning my sig because it reminded me of its existence and gave me good memories. I don't take the avatar/sig reads seriously because I don't think that you do either.

Just checking because I do have a strong town read on you (not the avatar and sig reads) that I am fielding some questions on and thought maybe you had some doubts about my sincerity. Or at least whether I had any grounds to be the one questioning Nanook's snap reads.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to [me and nutella] can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me, and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I don't totally know how to read this sentence.

People that can’t recognize my sarcasm:

[people who aren’t used to me] [nutella]

That clear things up?

[Alison]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

This is NAI for nanook, in my experience with him. I think nanook is town here. His reads are both okay and in line with the sort of thing I expect him to make. Confident early game reads based on tone or stuff that's similar to tone like the Captain thing, aggressively trying to find lock town and form a towncore, not caring too much if he's scumread except to "how dare you" people who scumread him. It's fakeable as scum, but if someone has good reads and are also acting exactly like they do as town, I am inclined to townread them.

linki: Why isn't nutella/nanook W/W, Hally? What makes you think pointing out her own partner's tone as forced is outside of nutella's scum range?

[Timsup2nothin]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

I believe it's 3/3 though, which is significantly above rand!

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'll let you know when I have more reads, those are the three I have high confidence in.

Radishes is gonna have to show a lot more, one way or another, before I think about you in terms of going 3/3.

[Long Con]

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to [me and nutella] can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'm gonna start using smileys now, or trying to, cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me, and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I don't totally know how to read this sentence.

People that can’t recognize my sarcasm:

[people who aren’t used to me] [nutella]

That clear things up?

Yes, thanks.

[Hally]

Spoiler: show

I don't really like that you backtracked from going "that sounds useless" right to ""it could be productive! I'm in" right when rabbit questioned you if i'm being honest

If you're being honest? Is that going to be an issue for you in this game?

lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.

also, i love you very much, alison.

tutuu -
proto - town cuz of thinking me saying SHUT UP ALISON was actually rude and thinking it was maf/maf theatre
alison - town cuz rock-paper-scissor fallacy
amy - town cuz of the erect finger tell (im stealing this from dizzy. its basically when u raise ur finger at someone and b like "OH HELL NAW")
beluga whale - town cuz lonely
long con - town cuz i just said why
timsup2nothing - town cuz i like his posts. also i had 1 very intelligent reason listed on day 0
master radishes - town cuz of the "oh do me do me!" gif. like, excitement at seeing how ppl would read him. curiosity. town shit
nanook - town cuz he called me town and maybe correctly townread radish
scirrus - towny cuz hes scummy
KZA - town cuz had a non-maf/maf post with iaafr
colin -
colonialbob -
dizzy -
werewolfhunter -
iaafr - maf cuz voting a villager
nutella - maf cuz just throwing shade and being impossible to townread in my subjective and personal opinion

13/60

edit linki: awp is that sniper from counterstrike, beluga whale

also (to asnwer ur q) i guess my emotions arent set in stone i just felt the mood to change my "persona" u could say idk. from my pov it all makes sense and its normal. maybe its not like that from an outside pov idk

tutuu's 333 enclosed

tutuu top town not gonna spell it out, i think just very likely to be a transparently solving town
proto - have had some doubt here, i think his most recent posting has hit some scum notes with me (it always bothers me when people give handwavey tentative townreads, esp on me), but i still think the way he's been forming his scumreads has felt genuine. if amy is town, still have reasons to be concerned though...
alison - already been over this, thought her early scumreads were valid, i also think scirrus/nutella = wolfy more recently might be a valid perception as well, though i personally strongly disagree with scirrus being wolfy.
amy - still unwilling to town amy independently, unlike tutuu. still think the motivation scumread might apply. don't even think hard unaligned with nutella, there's no reason amy/nutella would avoid shading each other entirely if they both perceive each other/themselves as wolfy, could be going for distancing if they sense they're likely to go down. roughly same level of scummy as nutella in my brain now, maybe still more (biased, tunneling, my pet tunnel)
beluga whale - ive liked the enduring sus on amy, feels real. probably the realest feeling, and part of what's emboldening me to stay sussing amy. even if wrong on amy, i like his scope and depth of thought. possibly my highest townread after tutuu, personally
master radishes - i share sus of master radishes that others do; don't particularly think tutuu's reason for townreading radishes is a great one. just re-skimmed the iso, don't see any great reasons to want to town. apparently he keeps getting yeeted d1 in games recently? keep streak going? give him respite? decisions
long con - could easily be scum. no strong reason to want to town. pretty much =rand imo
nanook - towny but not out of scumrange (think he has a respectable scumgame); unlikely w/w with nutella, i said i'd give him a pass
scirrus - i keep vibing with his catchup. i feel like there is a genuine town solving process in his catchup. i'm fine with his reads. i'm ok with him being ok with consensus. probalby top 4 town, personally.
KZA - might just be frozen scum. no reason to disbelieve benson. no reason to read him town at this point in the game.
colin - could easily just be scum, but if amy is w and scirrus is town, i think it might just be too blatant of a chainsaw to be w/w with amy? idk interested to see where he goes next time he's around
colonialbob - ?
dizzy - ?
wwh - townvibes for some reason, no reason to not effectively have in null for now
iaafr - self-aware wolf
nutella - just recently gave thoughts on her, recently decided could be w/w with amy


perfectly willing to end up voting some sketchball who doesnt seem to want to play anyway over either amy or nutella though

i vibe with a lot of this atp

kinda swinging to nanook being town for his reaction to nuts push? idk could you talk about your read there actually? i think nut is probably a wolf and if so nanook is likely town yea but idk if i feel comfortable tring him independently atm

i vibe with the unexplained town read on wwh too, some posts she (?) made gave me a sense of aloneness. idr what though

i don’t have any read on amy yet but also don’t have meta there

radishes i agree is meh so far yeah

don’t think i have thoughts on anyone else that i haven’t said yet

[Timsup2nothin]

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

This is NAI for nanook, in my experience with him. I think nanook is town here. His reads are both okay and in line with the sort of thing I expect him to make. Confident early game reads based on tone or stuff that's similar to tone like the Captain thing, aggressively trying to find lock town and form a towncore, not caring too much if he's scumread except to "how dare you" people who scumread him. It's fakeable as scum, but if someone has good reads and are also acting exactly like they do as town, I am inclined to townread them.

linki: Why isn't nutella/nanook W/W, Hally? What makes you think pointing out her own partner's tone as forced is outside of nutella's scum range?

K thanks!

We'll see where we stand once Hally has shaken her way through the rest of the thread. I'm gonna combine giving her time to do that with taking time to let my postcount cool down.

Find less wolfy people than the others in those lower blocks everyone.

Or just lock case a wolf, that's always cool too.