Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Hally]

i really desire to play mafia and to get in the thick of things and u know accusations throwing around AtE OMGUS lamist wifom all of those flying over my head like a bar brawl and suddenly there's a gangster right who shoots up the bar with a tommy gun but instead of bullet it flies tunneling, fake claiming, tmi, all those good stuff

whats the hold up lets brawl already please. iaafr obv mafia. nutella obv mafia. tutuu town. proto town. alison town. tim town. beluga whale town. nanook town. radish town. amy town.

anyone who disagrees with me is confirmed member of the mafia

anyone who agrees with me and has a gun please use it to shoot someone in our poe which we all reached a consensus on based off of our town core

6/60

you’re still my favorite

WTF WHEN DID HALLY GET IN THE GAME LOOOL hi hally!!!

hi hi hi hi ily

[tutuu]

i love u 10 times more

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like real talk I’m mostly just here to have fun and make some snap reads

If you wanna kill me for not having more reads ok whatever, see how well that goes for you lol

Most likely I’ll find scum tomorrow afternoon, everyone will likely ignore it tho even tho I have an insanely high early hit rate on syndicate

That’s how this goes most of the time, and I don’t have jay here to fight my battles for me and wrangle people lol


Anyways I’m likely not going to spend more time on this? When I have more confident reads I’ll let you know. Until then I don’t think more discussion of my playstyle is going to be particularly useful and I’m kinda bored with it lulz

[Hally]

Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?

idk sometimes i do associatives it’s not really new for me

so like, i think radish/nanook are possible w/w because nanook kinda sandwiched radishes into his tr’s early even though i don’t think radishes really belongs there. wolves tend to like to lump teammates in with villagers

nanook/nut not aligned because i dont see any reason why nut would push on nanook here as w/w. could she? like yea it’s not out of her wolf range but like... why would she when nanook is not under threat

radishes/nut not aligned because i don’t think w!radishes would defend w!nut like that when she was getting wagoned. it had an air of tmi to it, like he knew nut was a villager and wanted to keep his hands clean of anything having to do with the push/maybe even pocket nut

that’s the associatives i have in that group of three. obviously not set in stone but yea

[Hally]

I'm so confused by these associatives. Why is nut always villager if MR is wolf? Do you think she never busses? Like please, justify your posts!

why would nut be bussing radishes here? that’s just not a thing that happens. a teammate is not gonna go after their partner on D1 for no reason

[Hally]

wtf nut how r u scumreading alison :OOO

well anyway sorry if ur town nut and ive been tunneling u. idk why i decided to play like that im never good at getting scumreads i just wanted to mess around honestly. should just stick to trying to make townreads thats my strength

(sheeping alison on hally atm btw)

wtf howd you post this before i posted my list

(if it's based on the name spelling list thats just a joke/dumb iaafr meme lmao)

i already mindread you that u were gonna scumread alison. u think i cant? dont underestimate my power. if u ever commit the sin of randing scum when i rand town you better surrender or i will attack you swiftly and without hesitation. you think you can lie and manipulate your way to victory? think again. no lie and no manipulation can put a dent in my armor. no AtE can make me wince twice as i mercilessly strongarm your yeet, my emotions being in full control. my arsenal of weaponry is vast and furious. if you want a tip on how u can fool me if ur mafia, here are 3 steps u can take to beat me: step 1) buy a Bible. step 2) Lay in bed. step 3) Pray to fucking God cuz its never happening, kid.

i actually love you sm

[Master Radishes]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

[Hally]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

i hate to like... offend you or anything but the fact that you still only have three reads and that they’re the same exact reads you had on like page 4 is like... not great

your reads haven’t developed at all since then? any wolf reads? any more tr’s? like... what’s going on with you. your posts lately are all just getting annoyed at ppl sussing you but you’re not solving really so idk what to tell you

Idk why you’d expect my reads to change when i explicitly think they’re good reads? I don’t really believe in “developing” reads I’m happy with just for the sake of looking like I’m doing something. This probably shouldn’t come as a surprise kek

I only have three relatively high confidence reads so those are the reads ive put out. I’m going to make reads on my own time, sorry not sorry. I’m pretty busy so this is the version of nanook you’re getting

ok i’m gonna leave you be

[Master Radishes]

...Omg Hally is voting for me. Less hype.

[Master Radishes]

I just woke up [mention]Benson[/mention] AMA

[tutuu]

wtf nut how r u scumreading alison :OOO

well anyway sorry if ur town nut and ive been tunneling u. idk why i decided to play like that im never good at getting scumreads i just wanted to mess around honestly. should just stick to trying to make townreads thats my strength

(sheeping alison on hally atm btw)

wtf howd you post this before i posted my list

(if it's based on the name spelling list thats just a joke/dumb iaafr meme lmao)

i already mindread you that u were gonna scumread alison. u think i cant? dont underestimate my power. if u ever commit the sin of randing scum when i rand town you better surrender or i will attack you swiftly and without hesitation. you think you can lie and manipulate your way to victory? think again. no lie and no manipulation can put a dent in my armor. no AtE can make me wince twice as i mercilessly strongarm your yeet, my emotions being in full control. my arsenal of weaponry is vast and furious. if you want a tip on how u can fool me if ur mafia, here are 3 steps u can take to beat me: step 1) buy a Bible. step 2) Lay in bed. step 3) Pray to fucking God cuz its never happening, kid.

i actually love you sm

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Hally]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

two questions:
1) why do u hate my slot sm?
2) why are u wolfing?
3) can i chop u up and put u in a salad w some good balsamic dressing and maybe like arugula or some shit i’m not hungry you’re hungry lemme eat you wow this turned weird am i gonna post it anyway fuck yea i am u can’t stop me hahahaha

[tutuu]

ate response to pressure is what nanook did as town in lion king tim, u can skim if u want

(not saying its necessarily a towntell for him as i havent seen him scum, but its not a scumtell for him)

[iaafr]

im [VOTE: hally] aubergine i think lol

[Hally]

im [VOTE: hally] aubergine i think lol

boooooooooooo

why though

[Master Radishes]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

two questions:
1) why do u hate my slot sm?
2) why are u wolfing?
3) can i chop u up and put u in a salad w some good balsamic dressing and maybe like arugula or some shit i’m not hungry you’re hungry lemme eat you wow this turned weird am i gonna post it anyway fuck yea i am u can’t stop me hahahaha

1) your slot is a wolf, not my fault
2) trying to make sure I get D1 yeeted as always I guess
3) try this: roast some baby potatoes in the oven with lemon zest, rosemary, and garlic (squash the potatoes a bit halfway through to flatten them), then thinly slice some cucumber, red onion, and radishes and scrunch them in a bowl with mustard, red wine vinegar, lemon juice, dill, and mint - serve that on top of the potatoes.

[Alison]

Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?

idk sometimes i do associatives it’s not really new for me

so like, i think radish/nanook are possible w/w because nanook kinda sandwiched radishes into his tr’s early even though i don’t think radishes really belongs there. wolves tend to like to lump teammates in with villagers

nanook/nut not aligned because i dont see any reason why nut would push on nanook here as w/w. could she? like yea it’s not out of her wolf range but like... why would she when nanook is not under threat

radishes/nut not aligned because i don’t think w!radishes would defend w!nut like that when she was getting wagoned. it had an air of tmi to it, like he knew nut was a villager and wanted to keep his hands clean of anything having to do with the push/maybe even pocket nut

that’s the associatives i have in that group of three. obviously not set in stone but yea

These associatives require a lot of assumptions and I'm mostly inclined to think you made them up honestly. Like you have a set of assumptions about how mafia would play, like never bus D1, and I'm left with more questions than answers. Why is someone who townreads someone who doesn't deserve it wolves with them, and not wolf whiteknighting/TMI-ing a town, or just town with a weird read? Why can't wolves use D1 to distance knowing full well that their interactions will be referred to later down the road?

It's not even necessarily a question of "Hally is wrong", it's like you're concocting a narrative of the spot and trying to push it on us in lieu of doing actual investigative work, which is why I was kinda skeeved out by your random associative analysis that didn't seem to lead anywhere and felt extremely premature.

nutella: Just when you're trending up on my radar, I'm trending down on yours. :P

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

A) I didn’t OMGUS anyone or really do AtE? I mostly made jokes

B) meh, you’re not gonna kill me today

[iaafr]

im [VOTE: hally] aubergine i think lol

boooooooooooo

why though

you know what i typed it out and decided the reasons dont even sound that good im gonna [VOTE: unvote] aubergine for now

[Hally]

reads

never kill this, we stan for life:
tutuu

townish to varying degrees:
benson
rabbit
nutella
tim
proto
wwh
amy
alison

yolo town soulread:
dizzy

meh:
long con
colin
kza

nanook:
nanook

kinda wolfy:
radishes
colonialbob

something like this maybe

[Hally]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

two questions:
1) why do u hate my slot sm?
2) why are u wolfing?
3) can i chop u up and put u in a salad w some good balsamic dressing and maybe like arugula or some shit i’m not hungry you’re hungry lemme eat you wow this turned weird am i gonna post it anyway fuck yea i am u can’t stop me hahahaha

1) your slot is a wolf, not my fault
2) trying to make sure I get D1 yeeted as always I guess
3) try this: roast some baby potatoes in the oven with lemon zest, rosemary, and garlic (squash the potatoes a bit halfway through to flatten them), then thinly slice some cucumber, red onion, and radishes and scrunch them in a bowl with mustard, red wine vinegar, lemon juice, dill, and mint - serve that on top of the potatoes.

humor me

assume my slot is not a wolf. who are the wolves then?

[tutuu]

i legit cant keep my vote on hally even tho i wanna sheep alison cuz i respect her reads alot but i just legit feel bad irl with my vote parked on hally omfg ;-;

(voting colonialbob atm. sorry bobby)

man why is mafia about yeeting someone. what if instead it was about voting for the most towny person every day. then id never feel bad. why cant town and mafia just be friends?

[Hally]

Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?

idk sometimes i do associatives it’s not really new for me

so like, i think radish/nanook are possible w/w because nanook kinda sandwiched radishes into his tr’s early even though i don’t think radishes really belongs there. wolves tend to like to lump teammates in with villagers

nanook/nut not aligned because i dont see any reason why nut would push on nanook here as w/w. could she? like yea it’s not out of her wolf range but like... why would she when nanook is not under threat

radishes/nut not aligned because i don’t think w!radishes would defend w!nut like that when she was getting wagoned. it had an air of tmi to it, like he knew nut was a villager and wanted to keep his hands clean of anything having to do with the push/maybe even pocket nut

that’s the associatives i have in that group of three. obviously not set in stone but yea

These associatives require a lot of assumptions and I'm mostly inclined to think you made them up honestly. Like you have a set of assumptions about how mafia would play, like never bus D1, and I'm left with more questions than answers. Why is someone who townreads someone who doesn't deserve it wolves with them, and not wolf whiteknighting/TMI-ing a town, or just town with a weird read? Why can't wolves use D1 to distance knowing full well that their interactions will be referred to later down the road?

It's not even necessarily a question of "Hally is wrong", it's like you're concocting a narrative of the spot and trying to push it on us in lieu of doing actual investigative work, which is why I was kinda skeeved out by your random associative analysis that didn't seem to lead anywhere and felt extremely premature.

nutella: Just when you're trending up on my radar, I'm trending down on yours. :P

i’m not married to any of this analysis since we don’t even have flips yet but i believe the assumptions i’m making are more often true than not. i don’t hard align nanook/radishes but i think it’s possible. i would say i’m much more confident in nut/radishes and nut/nanook not being aligned then radishes/nanook being aligned

like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk what to tell you. sometimes i have thoughts based on assumptions that may not be correct or fully formed. it’s the nature of making reads in a game in which i know nothing

i’m honestly not sure why you have a problem with this. i think you’re just calling it fake because you’re either already tunneled on sc being a wolf and don’t wanna give me a chance or a wolf who doesn’t wanna let this mislim slip away because you can see i’m already working my way out of the hole

it’s fine though, we tend to have different approaches and ways of thinking about interactions so it could just be that

[Hally]

i legit cant keep my vote on hally even tho i wanna sheep alison cuz i respect her reads alot but i just legit feel bad irl with my vote parked on hally omfg ;-;

(voting colonialbob atm. sorry bobby)

man why is mafia about yeeting someone. what if instead it was about voting for the most towny person every day. then id never feel bad. why cant town and mafia just be friends?

omg no u don’t have to feel bad, if u believe in alisons read of me u can sheep her it’s ok i’m not offended lol

i will say though like alison has never seen me wolf and misread me last game when i was town so like... she doesn’t really have a proven track record of reading me correctly. if you wanna sheep someone on me i’d sheep dizzy because he’s probably town and if he’s a wolf i will make him tr me anyway or else i will find him

[Alison]

I have a problem with it because the logic doesn't make sense to me. The reasoning is unsound, the fact that you're making this reasoning at all seems questionable given that none of these players have flipped, and I'm really not sure how this helps you solve. I'm not seeing the shining town Hally at all.

linki: What game did I misread you in? Also don't sheep me because I'm good at reading Hally, sheep me because my logic makes sense.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

A) I didn’t OMGUS anyone or really do AtE? I mostly made jokes

B) meh, you’re not gonna kill me today

[mention]Timsup2nothin[/mention] I can't believe I briefly forgot the most important part of my "rebuttal"

[protocultures]

i’m glad this is a light game so i don’t have that much to read

brb catching

enter the dizzy whisperer

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Btw I think I have another confident read and it's that Hally is frankly exhausting but also town

But disclaimer that it's 3:45am so idk if I'm going to lock that read in yet or not

[protocultures]

Tim, why is LC towncore?

Because he reads a whole lot more than he talks. If you look at his posts he makes references to things that show he not only has read the thread but he's either got top notch memory or he is keeping notes. If he were wolfing he wouldn't be just casual dropping occasional posts he'd be posting more in line with the amount that he is reading. I recognize the type and I believe if he has a couple days he'll provide value...and that he isn't a wolf. His style is just way off from yours or mine.

What are you reading this based off - meta on him, or something?

Not meta since I don't know him from Adam. It's typecasting exactly like I said. Wolves that are as aggressively keeping up with the thread as he is find something to post about...regularly. If he wasn't keeping up maybe he is a pop in wolf, but he is keeping up. That aggressive reading of the thread means he will notice things. That willingness to just low post along means he not only isn't feeling wolf pressure he isn't being pressured by the other wolves.

He's town, and he'll be useful town, trust me on that one...for three days.

My town core is only good for three days because I am making myself the voice of town so the wolves won't let me live any longer than that if they let me live that long. So my town core has about three days to produce pelts or the town probably will and most likely should turn on them...you.

found a mafia

[Alison]

Why is tim mafia?

[Master Radishes]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

two questions:
1) why do u hate my slot sm?
2) why are u wolfing?
3) can i chop u up and put u in a salad w some good balsamic dressing and maybe like arugula or some shit i’m not hungry you’re hungry lemme eat you wow this turned weird am i gonna post it anyway fuck yea i am u can’t stop me hahahaha

1) your slot is a wolf, not my fault
2) trying to make sure I get D1 yeeted as always I guess
3) try this: roast some baby potatoes in the oven with lemon zest, rosemary, and garlic (squash the potatoes a bit halfway through to flatten them), then thinly slice some cucumber, red onion, and radishes and scrunch them in a bowl with mustard, red wine vinegar, lemon juice, dill, and mint - serve that on top of the potatoes.

humor me

assume my slot is not a wolf. who are the wolves then?

Dunno. I only have one real bite and it's you.

[Hally]

I have a problem with it because the logic doesn't make sense to me. The reasoning is unsound, the fact that you're making this reasoning at all seems questionable given that none of these players have flipped, and I'm really not sure how this helps you solve. I'm not seeing the shining town Hally at all.

linki: What game did I misread you in? Also don't sheep me because I'm good at reading Hally, sheep me because my logic makes sense.

i think you scum read me D1 in jack attack because you thought my interactions with fg were wolfy

ok. i mean, like... i don’t think it’s unsound. i’m not saying it’s foolproof ironclad logic. nothing ever is. but the assumptions i’m making are, i believe, generally safe to make. its fine if you disagree

i also now just town read nut independently of any associations, which obviously makes my confidence in dissociating her with others higher. it’s not even really a relevant thing anymore because i no longer have nut in my poe

[Hally]

Omg Hally is in the game!? Hype.

two questions:
1) why do u hate my slot sm?
2) why are u wolfing?
3) can i chop u up and put u in a salad w some good balsamic dressing and maybe like arugula or some shit i’m not hungry you’re hungry lemme eat you wow this turned weird am i gonna post it anyway fuck yea i am u can’t stop me hahahaha

1) your slot is a wolf, not my fault
2) trying to make sure I get D1 yeeted as always I guess
3) try this: roast some baby potatoes in the oven with lemon zest, rosemary, and garlic (squash the potatoes a bit halfway through to flatten them), then thinly slice some cucumber, red onion, and radishes and scrunch them in a bowl with mustard, red wine vinegar, lemon juice, dill, and mint - serve that on top of the potatoes.

humor me

assume my slot is not a wolf. who are the wolves then?

Dunno. I only have one real bite and it's you.

i’m not getting yeeted this game so you should find another bite

[protocultures]

Spoiler: show

Good luck, have fun all – just checking into the game to say I am present and ready. Uh, in case anyone gets suspicious that I am not saying “look at me I am town”, here you go – its totally NAI for me as a player. I am hard to read if you haven’t played with me before, I am still sometimes hard to read if you have – suggest you sheep their reads on me for first few days if I confuse you. Does anyone know how I can keep track of daily postcount? Even on day 0, I have mafia reads on people.

im innocent town thats all i know

Found the mafia.

Pretty fucked up that I went to the trouble to get into this game with tutuu just to have her roll scum.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

WOW WTF

Town tutuu D0: is excited to play the game, tells all the people she likes to play with how much she wants to play with them, pre-emptively townreads people based on town and/or enthusiasm so she can start forming a towncore of people she trusts.

Scum tutuu D0: I'm TOWN everyone. I'm innocent TOWN. Have I mentioned I'm TOWN?

MOOD

but consider

well i wasnt like jumping up and down but i was lowkey pleasant sensation from seeing i rolled town and then i tried to talk to ppl but they were all friends in between themselves and they were talking to each other and i didnt know how to interject without being too awkward so i just said the stuff i said in case someone wanted to maybe start a conversation with me or something

Let's have a conversation, then. How did you feel when you got your scum role card from the host? Also what do you think about your teammates? Do you think you'll work well with them, or is bussing on your mind already?

SHUT UP ALISON

im about to watch this movie u recommended btw. kung fu hustle. u said its very funny

“SHUT UP ALISON” is something Tutuu likely says if they are in scumchat together. Its too angry for town Tutuu to say to Alison. They are besties.

I am so supremely confident in my abilities, and so thunderously calm + relaxed, that I will make a single irrelevant post at SOD then peace out for hours on end. I won't do anything villagery, I won't make any reads, I'll make 29 shitposts over the next 23 hours, then once D1 rolls around I'll make an unspecified number of additional shitposts. No cogent thought will escape these handsome lips. I will be illogical, haphazard, superfluous, inessential, pointless, redundant, uncalled for, unwarranted, unjustified, and gratuitous. The effen theorem will catch me with my pants betwixt my ankles. I'll vote off-wagon, talk about random nonsense, and make inappropriate japes concerning my relation to wolfchat. I am preemptively declaring any responses to this post "fair enough". I'll complain about a lack of WIM, the cause of which is nebuluous, obscure, and entirely insufficient. I will fabricate excuses and pretend I am busy to avoid posting in this thread, when in fact I will be watching cartoons and eating cheeto puffs in my underwear. More specifically, black boxer-briefs. You can't stop me. You can't misyeet me. You're powerless. I laugh in your face. I'm a villager, therefore I can do whatever the fuck I want. Go cry in wolfchat, you big baby. While you're poring over the thread, searching for any clue at all to help you in the seer hunt, know that I am still watching those cartoons and eating those cheeto puffs, nary a care in the world. My armpits are bone dry. I'm a villager, what are you going to do about it? Nothing; you will do nothing about it, because that's all you can do. Ligma. What's ligma? Ligma balls.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

Found another mafia

Also, why are people voting on Day 0? isnt this a meet and greet but nothing happens?

This is my first closed forum game. Second forum game ever (have one more in progress). I have never rolled mafia in forum, so theres no baseline to look for.

re: protocultures

honestly this is just a really towny post and i immediately wanted to locktown proto for it alone, with extremely limited meta (skimmed space invaders)

the scumreads feel good, not overjustified, just real. this dude has 3 real scumreads off the bat. scum who can post like this are omega rare.

consider this post my towncase on protocultures.

im sheeping this

so now i have tutuu, alison, rabbit, benson and porto as town

and nut and nanook as noticeably lacking in towniness

also apparently dizzy is in this game? where are you though

I like Hally as town already. was easy to find in space invaders, easy to find here.

[protocultures]

wtf nut how r u scumreading alison :OOO

well anyway sorry if ur town nut and ive been tunneling u. idk why i decided to play like that im never good at getting scumreads i just wanted to mess around honestly. should just stick to trying to make townreads thats my strength

(sheeping alison on hally atm btw)

wtf howd you post this before i posted my list

(if it's based on the name spelling list thats just a joke/dumb iaafr meme lmao)

i already mindread you that u were gonna scumread alison. u think i cant? dont underestimate my power. if u ever commit the sin of randing scum when i rand town you better surrender or i will attack you swiftly and without hesitation. you think you can lie and manipulate your way to victory? think again. no lie and no manipulation can put a dent in my armor. no AtE can make me wince twice as i mercilessly strongarm your yeet, my emotions being in full control. my arsenal of weaponry is vast and furious. if you want a tip on how u can fool me if ur mafia, here are 3 steps u can take to beat me: step 1) buy a Bible. step 2) Lay in bed. step 3) Pray to fucking God cuz its never happening, kid.

I dont even mind wastiong a post to let you know this made me chuckle

[protocultures]

Like real talk I’m mostly just here to have fun and make some snap reads

If you wanna kill me for not having more reads ok whatever, see how well that goes for you lol

Most likely I’ll find scum tomorrow afternoon, everyone will likely ignore it tho even tho I have an insanely high early hit rate on syndicate

That’s how this goes most of the time, and I don’t have jay here to fight my battles for me and wrangle people lol


Anyways I’m likely not going to spend more time on this? When I have more confident reads I’ll let you know. Until then I don’t think more discussion of my playstyle is going to be particularly useful and I’m kinda bored with it lulz

I dont really townread nanook, but this is the towniest post they have made that i remember.

it smells of being slightly offended and hurt that we cant find them town.

Kind of lines up with the meta that i am familiar with where they keep dying early.

Still null to scum on nanook though, but this post probably stops me from voting on them today.

[protocultures]

im [VOTE: hally] aubergine i think lol

"I am confusion"

[protocultures]

Why is tim mafia?

their read on LC is likely ficitional imo.

if tim flips maf, I want to flip LC next.

[Master Radishes]

Why is tim mafia?

their read on LC is likely ficitional imo.

if tim flips maf, I want to flip LC next.

I like this take.

[Master Radishes]

^The take that Tim's read on LC is fictional. I found it unnatural too. (Not necessarily that LC is mafia if Tim is.)

I also found Tim's whole thing about voting Scirrus with me but making a big deal about not trusting me at the same time a bit pingy.

[Master Radishes]

no i still think benson is probably town overall, the amount of melding and nodding along is something i should just default to trusting imo, esp d1.

though i would say if scirrus flips w, without meta i wouldnt rule out benson being the type of player to see scirrus going down and collecting cred. (@Master Radishes ? @KZA ?)

Spoiler: show

reread bob's posts in more detail and i still don't really feel comfortable putting him above null, but would absolutely veto d1 bob wagon

i think he's scumreading benson for being too waffly and entertaining multiple worlds at once but that's just a playstyle thing; it's like the sort of sus that i could easily believe is civ/civ, but doesn't have to be. i guess it is kind of weird he finds benson suspicious but not me, but there's different contexts around our play i guess.

i think his take on amy as null is fair. if i'm being diligent, i probably don't town him or even count out bob/amy w/w for it though.

probably the type of player you evaluate based on his solving with more flips, like. i think this archetype of player is objectively more nai on d1 on avg than, say, me or tutuu. no reason to verdict d1 imo.

On our forum bussing is the norm so Benson certainly knows how to do it effectively, but he also loves discussing mafia theory outside of games and has stated his dislike of bussing as a wolf tactic. His progression on the Scirrus slot if they're wolfmates is not outside his range, but it seems right for him if town too. He's used to dying early so he likes to play D1 hard, and will chew on any case someone throws out, and that's how I feel he interacted with the Scirrus case - others called the slot scummy so in due course he considered it and came to his own conclusions.

Also agree with your take in the spoilered bit about Bob.

[Master Radishes]

Basically I'm saying you should take my three reads seriously, and almost everything else I say as at least partially tongue in cheek.

Well, since I agree solidly with two out of three we could say that I am "taking them seriously." We can even say that I believe shooting two out of three on having your snap reads turn out consensus agreeable is a pretty good record. I just don't see it as laurels meriting being rested on. Two out of three snap read villagers turning out good isn't even rand.

I believe it's 3/3 though, which is significantly above rand!

I'm gonna start using smileys now or trying to cause I forget sometimes that people who aren't used to me and nutella can't usually recognize when I'm not being entirely serious

I'll let you know when I have more reads, those are the three I have high confidence in.

Radishes is gonna have to show a lot more, one way or another, before I think about you in terms of going 3/3.

Showing more costs extra.

[Master Radishes]

tl;dr

Probably just town
Alison
Benson
Proto
Tutuu

Hesitantly want to townlean
Amy
iaafr
Long Con
Nanook
Nutella
Tim

Null
Dizzy
Colonialbob

PoE
WH
Colin
Kaz
Scirrus

think you could be wolfing tbh

your poe is just the most lhf in the game. kinda meh tbh

can you explain the tr on nut more? in your reads list it was a lot of talking about last game and not a lot about this game. what is it about her this game that you like?

Would it help if the second category was named 'people who haven't been obviously wolfy yet but I'm probably wrong about one or two of them because it's D1 and I'm bad at D1s' ?

I'm so ready for hally to catch up and join forces with me to bury radishes back into the ground where he belongs

[Master Radishes]

I read through what I missed. Ask me for further commentary if you desire, but I’m going to spend my day doing life admin I’ve been putting off and then playing with my new headphones until my eardrums burst.

My reads generally remain the same. I’m ready to call iaafr town. I think my reservations mainly revolve around post limitations. When I’ve read some of his more recent posts more closely I nod along to them. On the other end, Tim is trending down. The LC townread has a strength that confuses me. And his handling of me feels opportunistic. Like, he began the game just shooting the breeze with me, then as soon as a few others voiced suspicion of me he acted like he’d been uncertain of me all along as well, even voting alongside me but making a deal out of not trusting me either.

I’m keeping my vote on Hally for now. She’s amazing at keeping a pure tone even as a wolf and I see nothing I would consider good enough yet to put her out of that range. The slot was scummy before and it could easily have been a case of RWSTFO. Her scumreads also feel cleverly opportunistic, like three people who have all faced some heat but not too much. I’m probably in confbias territory, but if she’s town I think I’ll get there eventually and I’m not there yet.

[Benson]

I just woke up @Benson AMA

Do you still maintain your position that I'm such a shitty wolf that I likely couldn't achieve this post count (or whatever post count I had when you said that) as a wolf.
Our friendship is on the line.

tl;dr

Probably just town
Alison
Benson
Proto
Tutuu

Hesitantly want to townlean
Amy
iaafr
Long Con
Nanook
Nutella
Tim

Null
Dizzy
Colonialbob

PoE
WH
Colin
Kaz
Scirrus

think you could be wolfing tbh

your poe is just the most lhf in the game. kinda meh tbh

can you explain the tr on nut more? in your reads list it was a lot of talking about last game and not a lot about this game. what is it about her this game that you like?

Would it help if the second category was named 'people who haven't been obviously wolfy yet but I'm probably wrong about one or two of them because it's D1 and I'm bad at D1s' ?

I'm so ready for hally to catch up and join forces with me to bury radishes back into the ground where he belongs

Also, is this a perspective slip? You've told me your bad a D1s as mafia but as town you seem fine at them.

[Benson]

Some curiosities from Tim

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

sup hally!

Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?

whaat, what did you do scirrus

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky

wolfy post tho

I wasn’t actually planning to pay attention to this game until like D3 but are you guys nutso IAAFR is like hard clear

He’s also probably town


Tutu is also pretty town based off the three posts of hers I read


I’m doing it dad I’m doing a mafia

nanook my dude are you wolfing

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

wow ok so you are wolfing

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no

....townier posts

@Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?

not sure what you're asking me here? just that nanook is responding aggressively to being called out and not to much else?

Yeah. Like is that normal for him as town? I might not respond to sus from a lead wagon as either alignment so it all seems weird to me, especially if he's town.


@Benson yeah I do have a lot of confidence in Hally, and seldom have much if any in anyone's day one wolf reads...particularly mine. The last time I saw someone make what I thought was a real solid day one case it was Amy that made it...she was town...and she was wrong.

So I think you mean to suggest here that we should be very cautious with the elim D1 because the town is often wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes and no. I've had some decent success in D1 and I don't think it's good practice to just absolve certain players from contention because they can be strong players, especially in a game with many of the sort.

Tim, convince me not to chop Amy.

"Benluga" sounds awful btw, but I'll permit it.


@KZA, talk to me. I'll stop with the aggressive accusations against your activity (which probably are unfair). How are you? What do you think of this game right now?

Do you really think I need to?

When EoD is staring you in the face you are going to look at potentially a really great villager, you are going to look at the flimsy case against her, you are going to look at the downside risk if you are wrong shooting for deep wolf first, and you are going to look for a safer option. And even if you don't probably everyone else on that wagon with you is.

I'm as scared of a deep wolf as anyone, but I'm a realist. There's about a 75% chance off the rand that Amy is a very very useful villager. We aren't chopping that without a lock case, and there is not enough info with no flips yet for a case to really be locked. We can talk about it, we can wagon about it, we can wonder about it...but we are not the village that day one chops a top notch villager on a weak case hoping we found a deep wolf instead of a high value villager and you probably know that if you think about it.

Someone else said Benluga Whale first and I thought it was cute, but I will stop...we'll just go with Benson Whale?

this is a very weird post. gives me w/v vibes with amy, like you know she’s a villager. idk it’s quite performative imo

Do you think it is realistic to think Amy gets day one chopped on the strength of the case against her?

I don't know shit about whether she is a villager or not, but I think day one chopping her based on the existing case is never going to happen.

Much like I think that day one chopping you based on the case against Scirrus isn't going to happen even though I think it was actually a better case. I don't KNOW that you aren't a wolf, but the possibility you are a villager is too great to waste you on a day one chop just to see how the votes shift around in the process.

By the way, I hate that word; performative. All my posts are performative. I'm a writer. Performing at this keyboard is just what I do. It's NAI.

<---deleted rant about what IS AI for me here because you'd just call it wifom--->

I think performative is one world for it. Another is that it feels like you're angling things in the direction you want with confidence and intimidation. At least that's what I pick up.
I'm talking about things like "we're not chopping Amy", or "chopping you [Hally] based on the case against Scirrus isn't going to happen...".

Yes, I can see the potential town-mentality in all this but I still am uncomfortable with it. I don't think Hally is particularly inspiring so far either but I'll get into that in a different post if I have time this morning.

Well, this is gonna leave me with ten posts so a good time to clock out.

Vote off of Hally is something I wanna do. Leaving the lower sections of my list without a really superior reason is not something I am gonna do.

Don't wanna just follow on because there's enough excitement around Radishes anyway. In fact might well opt in for chopping you tomorrow Master Radishes, so don't be surprised.

But right now I'm curious. If the instant OMGUS AtE response is routine for a mild scum lean, what happens if I [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

My issue is that Hally got a free pass and you turned to Radishes as someone to potentially elim. Does he not get that same pass from reputation? Or is this based on stuff you've seen within this game as well?
I would consider him just as much in the category of players I don't want to elim on D1 unless I'm truly convinced.

[tutuu]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[mention]KZA[/mention]

[Benson]

Read through Hally's posts from last night. I have many thoughts but not enough time to respond to anything specifically. Unfortunately, the bias from Scirrus' game may be completely warping how I view Hally but oh well.

For starters, I think we agree (or they agree with me) on many things so far. I suppose I see some of the same progressions but it's not like that can't be faked when one is doing a retroactive read like that. If anything, I get paranoid that Hally is towncoring me (and others) and latching on to the things I say because I'm wrong - like my SR on MR for example.

Another thing is that it seems like Hally came into this with pre-established reads and an agenda to push. I was hoping there would be more freshness to the reads, since they came in with a blank slate and reading after-the-fact can be very different from following the game in real-time. At least the progression on nute developed well and similar to how I felt. The Nanook read is fine, but that's an easy push for the wolves if he's town right now.
Amy got a quick town read and wasn't talked about much, which makes me think that's a potential w/w.


In short, I don't think Hally's play is damning or anything, but it's not enough to raise the slot from the hole that Scirrus put it into. At least not yet. I do like the dynamic between Hally and Radishes. That's probably not w/w but I think those are good wagons to talk about today. Imo, there's a good shot of getting a wolf between them.

[Benson]

Last post before I really have to go.

What is this and why is no one talking about it???

Nutella on Sciruss/Hally is fucking WEIRD

Actually, I realize nutella has (and just did) follow up her Amy reads, so you can disregard that point in my previous post. I guess if anything, nute, I want to know what was your *initial* read on Amy when you voted? What specifically about her subsequent posts made you think town?

I never voted lol why do people keep saying that my vote for dizzy just now was my first vote!

but yes when I initially agreed with rabbit's case on amy, I thought that it made sense amy looked most generally wolfy out of the people who had participated much at that point. as she's posted more and especially with her longer posts about the tim stuff and about iaafr I think she's much more in her town meta. and I particularly mindmelded with her iaafr read.



other stuff from the remainder of page 10
-wwh seems pretty towny now, sort of a vague tone thing but the way she's trying to put in some independent work and the way she expressed her take on each tutuu quote, generally feels like her perspective is genuine.
-radish's case on scirrus made me feel worse about radish and better about scirrus.

This was one of the few things Nutella mentioned about Scirrus while he was a focal point yesterday. Basically dismissing the case to SR Radishes. I don't get that. I think the case was objectively fine unless you have some TMI or anterior reasons for thinking otherwise.


After this, and aside from a small post or two, it was radio silence on the Scirrus front until Hally got here.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine


would feel bad misyeeting him d1 yet again but.... he feels so different and calculated here


and dizzy is not even remotely off the hook

Nutella is now firmly in the Hally camp in the campaign to chop radishes. This isn't strange but I'm just making a note of it.

alright heres basically where im at now

lock town
hally
tim
tutuu

town with reservations, roughly ordered
benson
amy
lc
proto
dizzy (trusting hally lol)
wwh
nanook
iaafr

shh don't tell her but trending down
alison

meh/lean scum
colin
cbob
kza
radish

Hally is lock town.

What

WHAT

Some of the placements on the list are just bewildering. I want to call it villagery to not just be sheeping the consensus, but if we really were on the right track with some of our scum reads then maybe she's forced into the position to try to push a completely different consensus than most of the other players have established. Idk, but this is super interesting.

What I'm saying is I really want to think this is a w/w duo. That might be far too easy though. But this is what I want people to look at closely today: MR vs Hally & Nute. We have something spicy there.