Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[WerewolfHunter]

41

For me when someone new comes in to play, i try to reeevalue it as a whole and not focus on past reads

Their slot's alignment doesn't change just because they subbed out. And frankly, if Hally had been here from the start, I would still have them in my POE.

42

In my perspective it can change how you view the seat. I'm trying not to comment too much on this

[Benson]

I like how fucking spread the wagons are.

Alison, we'll see. At this moment I could go either way between radish or Hally as the wolf in that pairing. I feel pretty good about there being one. I also don't think we should give up on Amy. And then there's Kza...who I see viewing the thread but not posting since D0. I probably wouldn't lynch there until I get to talk about him, however.

[iaafr]

i also am unwilling to clear or townread amy at this point and think if hally flips town amy should still possibly be a priority

though im not going to psuh for amy d1

[protocultures]

As discussed previously, proto seems to me like the type of player that is commonly misyeeted early and remains fearfully cognizant of this. So it makes perfect sense that they'd be content to make it past D1 being town-read by players. I mean, it's not a great mindset to just sit on that, but I don't think it's necessarily wolfy.

Proto, was that thing about leaving and waking up to flip a joke? Or are you actually leaving your vote on Tim and peacing?

I left it and slept. I'm catching up now on the thread.

[Timsup2nothin]

Next to last post

[mention]Allison[/mention]

You are in my three day town core. You do you. I got your back, right or wrong. May or may not vote with you depending on how things play out, though currently leaning not. But I admire your willingness to take responsibility...and find it townish as well.

[WerewolfHunter]

I like how fucking spread the wagons are.

Alison, we'll see. At this moment I could go either way between radish or Hally as the wolf in that pairing. I feel pretty good about there being one. I also don't think we should give up on Amy. And then there's Kza...who I see viewing the thread but not posting since D0. I probably wouldn't lynch there until I get to talk about him, however.

42 I believe,

Agreed. I think in a few hours we need to consolidate so that most votes have meaning

[Benson]

ATTENTION VILLAGERS

In about six hours we ARE going to kill someone. Many of you are clinging to that time you remember "reading a wolf day one, wowee, yowzaa!!!" You are ignoring the fact that yes, bad wolves do sometimes rand wolf and do stupid shit on day one, but statistically speaking actual killing of wolves on day one happens less than rand even with a genius reader like you in the game, so get over it. We are very likely to be wrong, and need to get our heads around being responsible about that.

Five wagons of two or three is not a formation that catches wolves; and by that I don't mean today. It is a formation that allows the wolves to be hiding all over the place so that when day three rolls around and people have actual information to work with they look back and say "Ugh, WTF were we doing there?" So we need to start tightening up this ship.

If you are on some vanity wagon because you think you spotted a wolf that has somehow slipped past everyone else and been wrongly townread...get over it. WerewolfHunter I am in fact talking to you. Your point is noted. Benson will not be getting a free pass. He will be closely examined. But if you read the room you will see he isn't getting chopped today unless by some travesty we scatter votes from hell to breakfast and someone gets chopped with like three votes.

If you are on one of the wagons that is currently "in the running" with a couple votes and a candidate that was in the low end of my grouping post you need to decide soon if it is a wagon you are really going to push for at EoD or more of a "meh, gotta be somewhere" or a "see what happens" wagon. If it is you need to find someone who IS willing to push that you are willing to get behind, that is pushing a candidate you are not only willing to not play with tomorrow, but is also maybe a wolf and also might really be chopped today.

The group I am talking to there includes myself. Tweaking Nanook's nose was fun. Seeing Bob pile on there was...informative. But he isn't going to get killed today and I was pretty sure that was true when I voted for him. Those of you on the Hally wagon need to assess whether anyone there is likely to push it across the finish line and take responsibility just in case she flips green. The Whale and I have expressed similar doubts about the wisdom of casting Radishes aside if he is a villager so those on the Radish wagon might want to take a look at the room also.

I think in a game this size, in order for EoD not to turn into a manic shitshow of flashwagon chaos we should probably get settled on two or three good wagons that could actually have a shot.

I have four posts left so don't count on me saying a lot in this process.

[VOTE: ColonialBob] aubergine

Finally getting to this post. We have very different mafia philosophies. My home site has much weaker competition but I can tell you as town I've hit wolves on D1 much higher than rand this past while. In a game with this many strong players I'd rather just go for who I think is the most wolfy. Not who is the safest elim.

You might hate this, but I think some chaos around EoD is great on D1's and extremely rich in info. Like it's so much harder for the wolves to hide their intentions if wagons are building and falling quickly. It also usually shows me who's towning in those moments.

[WerewolfHunter]

44/60

In a sense replying to the last post I generally love beginnings of day 1s. It's where players can meta each other. However, it's harder to gain valuable reads in game this early.

Therefore, I think I'm somewhat more likely to be engaged and be able to revaluate my reads after we get more information

[nutella]

lol hi

thoughts on hally please

No. I haven't finished D0 and I'm already bored. Think I'm just going to sleep.

But I think Tim is mafia. I'm so good at this game. The gut reads are unreal. And if you want words is probably that he was present but not doing anything at the beginning of the game. "I'm so natural, I'm here guys heheheh" but just waiting to see how the game develops. Such scum wow.

You're also probably scum, Nut. Don't you agree? "Amagad, I need a read on Hally. I need to ask about that again, even though I already asked you and know you haven't read the game. Give it to me, the read on Hally that I definitely need, so I'm going to ask about that instead of addressing your questions." Such scum.

Scirrus could be scum, but if he is, don't yeet him yet. I want to see him sweat. It's hawt.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I don't need a read on Hally. I have one. You need yours.

You don't even seem to know that Hally and Scirrus are the same slot.

Please.

[Hally]

I read through what I missed. Ask me for further commentary if you desire, but I’m going to spend my day doing life admin I’ve been putting off and then playing with my new headphones until my eardrums burst.

My reads generally remain the same. I’m ready to call iaafr town. I think my reservations mainly revolve around post limitations. When I’ve read some of his more recent posts more closely I nod along to them. On the other end, Tim is trending down. The LC townread has a strength that confuses me. And his handling of me feels opportunistic. Like, he began the game just shooting the breeze with me, then as soon as a few others voiced suspicion of me he acted like he’d been uncertain of me all along as well, even voting alongside me but making a deal out of not trusting me either.

I’m keeping my vote on Hally for now. She’s amazing at keeping a pure tone even as a wolf and I see nothing I would consider good enough yet to put her out of that range. The slot was scummy before and it could easily have been a case of RWSTFO. Her scumreads also feel cleverly opportunistic, like three people who have all faced some heat but not too much. I’m probably in confbias territory, but if she’s town I think I’ll get there eventually and I’m not there yet.

im not sure what you’re talking about re: cleverly opportunistic. i disagree with that characterization. i didn’t know what anyone’s reads on you or anyone else were when i began reading and stated my reads as they developed

i thought nut was wolfy at first, later on she became townier. i thought nanook was underwhelming but i wanna let him be and am not interested in yeeting there. i don’t find amy wolfy despite her being my counterwagon. i find colonialbob kinda wolfy even though i think i’m the only one who does so far. i find you wolfy and apparently am not alone in that atm, but i didn’t know that before i read

i’m really not sure how any of this qualifies as “cleverly opportunistic.” it’s not

Your three scumreads as I noticed them were me, Nanook, and nutella. I was just getting shade from other corners, nutella had already received shade that was just dying off, and Nanook had gotten a few shrugs and is clearly lhf so far. When I say 'cleverly opportunistic' I mean that those are the exact sort of players I would cast dirt on if I subbed into a widely-scumread scum slot and wanted to get the attention directed elsewhere.

Like I said in my previous post, I could have fallen down a confbias tunnel and haven't found a way out yet, but those choices of scumreads just seem so convenient if I'm right that you're a wolf.

I hope I'm wrong because you're a joy to play with, and I'm looking elsewhere anyway because I don't think I'm getting my way on you today, so maybe we find each other in D2 and we can put this behind us. But you're saddled by your slot's baggage and while you haven't been scummy yourself per se, you've not said or done anything yet that makes me want to change my mind about your slot.

let me clarify what my reads actually are now that im current

i don’t scum read nut anymore. i thought i made it clear as i was catching up that my read developed into a town lean. but i’m kinda conflicted about that because i do wonder if she’s pocketing me and i still have concerns about her. if you end up being town i can see nut as a wolf more easily but idk, i don’t really wanna go there atm

my read on nanook has developed to a town lean or at least a “i have no interest in yeeting this today” lean. i don’t really have any concerns with him atm

and yes, i’m still not jiving with your play so far but i’m unsure how much of it is tinged by omgus. i do put a lot of stock in bensons read of you though because i have him as strong town and he knows you well. so i think if he has concerns about you too i’m justified in having mine (although we did come to that read independently ftr). if you wanna call it opportunistic, like again... i can’t disprove that but i think it’s a fairly baseless accusation

if i was actually being opportunistic i would wolf read amy since a lot of people were sussing her and she was my counterwagon when i subbed in. and i probably wouldn’t have wolfread bob because i dont think anyone else did when i got here (although i see he now has a wagon that i’m considering joining)

eh. it’s hard because confirmation bias is a real thing. i honestly don’t know how to separate townies who are confbiasing my play into being wolfy because omg sc was evil and wolves who are pretending to confbias because they’d really like to be able to get me mislimed here. subbing into a widely scum read slot means that i’m necessarily gonna have to contend with the baggage sc accumulated and it’s going to affect how people read me even if they’re approaching me in good faith. benson, for example, i think is town who is just confbiasing. radishes could be a wolf trying to hold on to the push because i don’t feel he actually gave my play a fair shake at all. with benson i can see the gears turning as he tries to evaluate me even though he comes to a conclusion that’s incorrect. i don’t feel radishes has actually evaluated me in the same way so far. alison i’m torn on because we have such different ways of thinking that i can buy she genuinely doesnt like my play, but i also think she would exploit that as a wolf

idk it’s hard to evaluate tbh

I can accept that maybe I haven't given your play a fair shake. I was feeling lazy/demotivated earlier when catching up because I'm being put under the spotlight on D1 again and that's been happening a lot lately, regardless of alignment, and the more it happens the more I'm finding my enjoyment sapped. (Not specifically in this game, just speaking generally about Mafia.)

If I find time (this is not a promise; I'm making dinner and spending the evening with my wife) I'll iso you again later and leave some more detailed thoughts.

alright, fair enough

WH's latest posts have many inconsistencies to nitpick.

So she's probably just town.

Gonna go eat dinner now.

this is the first post you make that i actually like. i was about to “aw hell naw” your push on wwh because she seems towny to me and the stuff you were questioning her on felt nitpicky, but now you town read her so that makes me feel better

the mafia team is colonialbob + hally + kza + nutella btw

my role pm disagrees

Well like I said it's not a "never ever rescind" townclear, it's "I'm never voting for these people today and probably not in the near future"
I really don't think Hally's progression was faked though. Tim maybe the slightly weaker clear for that.

I went back and forth on Scirrus a bit. I didn't like his RP entrance, but I started liking his catchup posts and felt he was responding to various things with a genuine mindset, and then I made the comparison to the lion king game and went back to feeling less good about him.

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

i’m almost positive dizzy had read exactly none of mine or sc’s posts when you posted this

this is kind of a weird post? like i thought it was pretty obvious that dizzy hadn’t read the game when he posted and idk why you need to rely on him to read me? you’re really good at reading me yourself and i feel like town!you would trust your read on me more? idk

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

What does this even mean and why do you need to think about it?

I've seen Scirrus's post count. I registered that Hally was in the game. That is the extent of my knowledge this game. I'm going to be very much a back seat player this game, just because of time constraints.

Scum lean on this post.

yeah...

idk who the wolf is in nut and radishes but i think there is exactly one probably

Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

just gonna note randomly that this pinged me as potentially scum with radishes (because i dont think radishes has been nearly as towny as me and tutuu and this kind of early declaration of 3 townreads comes from scum a decent amount) but this is like

an extremely weak read

posting it anyway because why not

ok you are now a town read

26/60
sorry my catchup is slightly backwards because this caught my attention.

I feel that Hally and I have the same read on Iaafr which I feel means that Hally is more likely town

Why would sharing a read with Hally (especially "iaafr is town") make you feel this way?

39/60

I'm not sure what the most succint way to say this is. I had thought Hally was town since last night for a reference point. However, sometimes having similar reads means its more likely individuals would connect on things like reads. Also, not sure if this is the best phrasing but these reads help us like understand. In the end, it didn't change it just more confirmed my perspective

why did you think i was town last night before i posted that?

I found the fact that Nanook only made an actual, game-related post after he started getting pressure suspicious. I don't think anybody else made that observation, iirc, but sure I was just sheeping I guess.

why is it suspicious though? and i called it sheeping because several people had just sussed nanook for not doing much and then you came in after and put a vote down too. it looked opportunistic on your part

whats your read on benson and radishes atm? also how are you reading nut?

Well like I said it's not a "never ever rescind" townclear, it's "I'm never voting for these people today and probably not in the near future"
I really don't think Hally's progression was faked though. Tim maybe the slightly weaker clear for that.

I went back and forth on Scirrus a bit. I didn't like his RP entrance, but I started liking his catchup posts and felt he was responding to various things with a genuine mindset, and then I made the comparison to the lion king game and went back to feeling less good about him.

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

Well fair. I do realize we use that term differently, probably leading to some confusion about your intent on my part.

I still feel like I'm completely missing what you're seeing when you look at Hally. Like, how that progression was so good it skyrocketed them from the bottom to the top of the town rankings. I'm not calling you scum for this (I actually think the opposite upon reflection), but I want to figure this out. It seems clearly established that Hally is a great player, with what I assume is a great scum game, so I think it's dangerous to be giving easy passes to someone like that. Maybe I'll try to re-read Hally's ISO again later today, because I think figuring that slot out is crucial right now (that's why I'm pressing this point so much with you).

i’m wondering why you skipped my post to you. i addressed your concerns with me directly there. i think engaging with me will go a long way to helping your read on me

lol hi

thoughts on hally please

No. I haven't finished D0 and I'm already bored. Think I'm just going to sleep.

But I think Tim is mafia. I'm so good at this game. The gut reads are unreal. And if you want words is probably that he was present but not doing anything at the beginning of the game. "I'm so natural, I'm here guys heheheh" but just waiting to see how the game develops. Such scum wow.

You're also probably scum, Nut. Don't you agree? "Amagad, I need a read on Hally. I need to ask about that again, even though I already asked you and know you haven't read the game. Give it to me, the read on Hally that I definitely need, so I'm going to ask about that instead of addressing your questions." Such scum.

Scirrus could be scum, but if he is, don't yeet him yet. I want to see him sweat. It's hawt.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

ugh. yeah i keep going back and forth on nut tbh. i feel like she’s lacking obv town!nut vibes. but idk if i will actually do anything about this ever because i love her too much. rip

I heavily vibed with the bolded take on Alison's treatment of Hally's slot. It should be a good thing that Hally came in and towned it up to pull their slot up out of a tight spot. Alison looks like she doesn't want this to happen.

Except they didn't town it up. I'm still scumreading them, so is Benson, and I have seen nothing in their behavior that makes me want to wash away everything Scirrus did.

Hally "towning up" a scummy slot? Lock scum imo =p

Also, Tutu and Proto town. And Alison may also be town, but know knows you know you know?

Still based on before D0 ended lol

lol thanks for nothing

[WerewolfHunter]

45/60

I am not going to requote this entire post. I have a trouble articulating my reads but I feel that I agree with some of the reads, in addition, it's a gut feeling but somewhat with more reasoning

[nutella]

i’m almost positive dizzy had read exactly none of mine or sc’s posts when you posted this

this is kind of a weird post? like i thought it was pretty obvious that dizzy hadn’t read the game when he posted and idk why you need to rely on him to read me? you’re really good at reading me yourself and i feel like town!you would trust your read on me more? idk

I don't need to rely on dizzy. That's not what I was trying to imply at all. I want him to state what his goddamn read of you is so that I can take it into account in a more holistic consideration of you. I realize he hasn't read, and he can't give a read on you if he hasn't read, and that's extremely frustrating to me but if he has rl shit I can't really do anything about it.

[nutella]

Hally, how confident is your town soul read of dizzy now that he's posted a few more times?

[nutella]

this is the first post you make that i actually like. i was about to “aw hell naw” your push on wwh because she seems towny to me and the stuff you were questioning her on felt nitpicky, but now you town read her so that makes me feel better

I disagree with this. I think that's easily a scum radish post that was intending to elicit the very reaction it did from you. Much like Alison's back-off strategy.

[nutella]

45/60

I am not going to requote this entire post. I have a trouble articulating my reads but I feel that I agree with some of the reads, in addition, it's a gut feeling but somewhat with more reasoning

Btw there's a feature where if you highlight the part of a post you want to respond to a little quote button pops up that will only quote that segment, it's pretty handy

[Long Con]

ive never gotten the argument that scattered wagons are inherently harder to catch scum with than consolidated wagons tbqh

Well, really I'm just trying to stir things up because MOVEMENT is what really makes for reads. If there had been like consolidated wagons already I would have made a different movement inducing speech. Thanks for blowing the gig Rabbit.

Your post did make me consider my Colin vote. Is Colin a possibility? People aren't really talking about him right now, but I think his name came up a few times before. He hasn't been on in almost 24 hours and he's still voting for Scirrus... not Hally, he hasn't seen Hally yet afaict. I looked at his ISO and I am pinged by some of his posts. I like him as a candidate.

That said, if it ain't happening today, then I'm not going to cling to it as a vanity vote.

Well like I said it's not a "never ever rescind" townclear, it's "I'm never voting for these people today and probably not in the near future"
I really don't think Hally's progression was faked though. Tim maybe the slightly weaker clear for that.

I went back and forth on Scirrus a bit. I didn't like his RP entrance, but I started liking his catchup posts and felt he was responding to various things with a genuine mindset, and then I made the comparison to the lion king game and went back to feeling less good about him.

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

What's a godread? A read directly from God? Why do you have to trust the read of someone you profess to trust?

[Long Con]

pond to a little quote button pops up that will only quote that seg

Totally works.

[nutella]

What's a godread? A read directly from God? Why do you have to trust the read of someone you profess to trust?

Because Hally has extremely strong meta on Dizzy and last time I didn't trust their townread of dizzy it went poorly.

[WerewolfHunter]

45/60

I am not going to requote this entire post. I have a trouble articulating my reads but I feel that I agree with some of the reads, in addition, it's a gut feeling but somewhat with more reasoning

Btw there's a feature where if you highlight the part of a post you want to respond to a little quote button pops up that will only quote that segment, it's pretty handy

45/60

Thanks. I'm just too lazy to do that lol. I also don't often use the preview feature either.

[Long Con]

What's a godread? A read directly from God? Why do you have to trust the read of someone you profess to trust?

Because Hally has extremely strong meta on Dizzy and last time I didn't trust their townread of dizzy it went poorly.

When was that?

[nutella]

What's a godread? A read directly from God? Why do you have to trust the read of someone you profess to trust?

Because Hally has extremely strong meta on Dizzy and last time I didn't trust their townread of dizzy it went poorly.

When was that?

Space Invaders. One of my several heartbreaking misshots.

[colonialbob]

I found the fact that Nanook only made an actual, game-related post after he started getting pressure suspicious. I don't think anybody else made that observation, iirc, but sure I was just sheeping I guess.

why is it suspicious though? and i called it sheeping because several people had just sussed nanook for not doing much and then you came in after and put a vote down too. it looked opportunistic on your part

whats your read on benson and radishes atm? also how are you reading nut?

Because it felt like "oh i am getting pressure let me do townie things now." rather than a genuine "hey i have another read i want to share with the thread."

I'm ok with Benson for now. The "i think we should examine different worldviews" logic jibes, and the opinions lately feel more firm. Radishes is next on my dive list, will update soon.

Honestly I've played enough with nutella to not try to read her d1. but i'm not real interested in voting there, since she's one of the two players I have played with, and I'll take whatever familiarity I can get. (or put another way, I prefer to judge her from actions rather than just posting)

[Master Radishes]

Anyone else feel discomforted by Tim's big-ass 'alright fellow villagers, this is how EoD should go' post? Like he's trying to assert control but like it's pretty conventional stuff he's talking about. Everytime I read his posts I find them logical and clear, but he's also sort of been part of the scenery this game rather than pushing anything of his own (outside an LC townread, as far as I remember) and he's been trending down in my eyes for awhile.

[WerewolfHunter]

Anyone else feel discomforted by Tim's big-ass 'alright fellow villagers, this is how EoD should go' post? Like he's trying to assert control but like it's pretty conventional stuff he's talking about. Everytime I read his posts I find them logical and clear, but he's also sort of been part of the scenery this game rather than pushing anything of his own (outside an LC townread, as far as I remember) and he's been trending down in my eyes for awhile.

46/60

This is kind of interesting. In my perspective, I'm playing with a clean slate and I assumed he was just an assertive or more bold player.

I also feel that a lot of his posts perspectives were things I agreed with so I didn't take much bother for it

[iaafr]

yeah idk my "hard world" still involves some of like

{ tim / amy / alison }

but i have nowhere near enough confidence on like any of my reads to want to push towards there d1

(my easy world is still "sheep tutuu")


60/60 baby im capped see yall in the eod hour

[Master Radishes]

I may or may not be back.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Let's yolo.

[nutella]

Ugh I really don't feel as good about iaafr as I want to but since he's capped I can't really engage with that rn

[nutella]

I may or may not be back.

[VOTE: Timsup2nothin] aubergine

Let's yolo.

Nah bro

[Hally]

Response to Hally

Spoiler: show

I read through what I missed. Ask me for further commentary if you desire, but I’m going to spend my day doing life admin I’ve been putting off and then playing with my new headphones until my eardrums burst.

My reads generally remain the same. I’m ready to call iaafr town. I think my reservations mainly revolve around post limitations. When I’ve read some of his more recent posts more closely I nod along to them. On the other end, Tim is trending down. The LC townread has a strength that confuses me. And his handling of me feels opportunistic. Like, he began the game just shooting the breeze with me, then as soon as a few others voiced suspicion of me he acted like he’d been uncertain of me all along as well, even voting alongside me but making a deal out of not trusting me either.

I’m keeping my vote on Hally for now. She’s amazing at keeping a pure tone even as a wolf and I see nothing I would consider good enough yet to put her out of that range. The slot was scummy before and it could easily have been a case of RWSTFO. Her scumreads also feel cleverly opportunistic, like three people who have all faced some heat but not too much. I’m probably in confbias territory, but if she’s town I think I’ll get there eventually and I’m not there yet.

im not sure what you’re talking about re: cleverly opportunistic. i disagree with that characterization. i didn’t know what anyone’s reads on you or anyone else were when i began reading and stated my reads as they developed

i thought nut was wolfy at first, later on she became townier. i thought nanook was underwhelming but i wanna let him be and am not interested in yeeting there. i don’t find amy wolfy despite her being my counterwagon. i find colonialbob kinda wolfy even though i think i’m the only one who does so far. i find you wolfy and apparently am not alone in that atm, but i didn’t know that before i read

i’m really not sure how any of this qualifies as “cleverly opportunistic.” it’s not

Read through Hally's posts from last night. I have many thoughts but not enough time to respond to anything specifically. Unfortunately, the bias from Scirrus' game may be completely warping how I view Hally but oh well.

For starters, I think we agree (or they agree with me) on many things so far. I suppose I see some of the same progressions but it's not like that can't be faked when one is doing a retroactive read like that. If anything, I get paranoid that Hally is towncoring me (and others) and latching on to the things I say because I'm wrong - like my SR on MR for example.

i do think your read is warped by sc. normally one might take my agreement with you as a sign that we share a town perspective but instead you wave it away as me trying to pocket you because you’re wrong. i mean like... i can’t disprove that accusation? other than to say that i’m pretty sure i was sus of radishes before i read that you were. also i’m towncoring you because i find you to be obvious town so far. you can assume it’s an agenda if you want—again, this isn’t something i can disprove—but fmpov that isn’t a justified assumption. it tells me you’ve already written my slot off and are now fitting everything i do into “hally is a wolf because sc was a wolf” instead of evaluating me on my own merits and with a fresh perspective

i understand this though, it is what it is. it’s just the nature of replacing in to a consensus scum read slot

Another thing is that it seems like Hally came into this with pre-established reads and an agenda to push. I was hoping there would be more freshness to the reads, since they came in with a blank slate and reading after-the-fact can be very different from following the game in real-time. At least the progression on nute developed well and similar to how I felt. The Nanook read is fine, but that's an easy push for the wolves if he's town right now.
Amy got a quick town read and wasn't talked about much, which makes me think that's a potential w/w.

i mean, again i can’t prove to you that i don’t have an agenda or “pre established reads” but i don’t think thats a justified assumption to make. you can clearly see my reads progressing as i read so im not sure how you can conclude they’re pre-established

re: nanook i’m not interested in pushing him anymore this day. this happens like every game we play where we’re both town. i always find him wolfy at first and then we find each other later. i think his reaction to me is fine and what i would expect of him if we’re both town again. so i’m satisfied for now and that’s all

re: amy i didn’t really understand the case on her tbh. i don’t have the context of her meta but i didn’t think she was wolfy when rabbit cases her. she was still null to me. and then i found her meaty posts after that pretty towny. so now she’s been moved up to a town lean. there isn’t really much else to talk about until i see more from her

In short, I don't think Hally's play is damning or anything, but it's not enough to raise the slot from the hole that Scirrus put it into. At least not yet. I do like the dynamic between Hally and Radishes. That's probably not w/w but I think those are good wagons to talk about today. Imo, there's a good shot of getting a wolf between them.

this is largely irrelevant and probably unproductive but really, what could i do, theoretically speaking, to get out of the “hole sc put me in”? i subbed in, immediately started solving and engaging with the game, have reads and progressions that you yourself share, have like 50 posts already, etc. i think i’m plenty towny but this is of course my own biased view. still, i would appreciate being evaluated on my own merits if at all possible

Last post before I really have to go.

What is this and why is no one talking about it???

Nutella on Sciruss/Hally is fucking WEIRD

Actually, I realize nutella has (and just did) follow up her Amy reads, so you can disregard that point in my previous post. I guess if anything, nute, I want to know what was your *initial* read on Amy when you voted? What specifically about her subsequent posts made you think town?

I never voted lol why do people keep saying that my vote for dizzy just now was my first vote!

but yes when I initially agreed with rabbit's case on amy, I thought that it made sense amy looked most generally wolfy out of the people who had participated much at that point. as she's posted more and especially with her longer posts about the tim stuff and about iaafr I think she's much more in her town meta. and I particularly mindmelded with her iaafr read.



other stuff from the remainder of page 10
-wwh seems pretty towny now, sort of a vague tone thing but the way she's trying to put in some independent work and the way she expressed her take on each tutuu quote, generally feels like her perspective is genuine.
-radish's case on scirrus made me feel worse about radish and better about scirrus.

This was one of the few things Nutella mentioned about Scirrus while he was a focal point yesterday. Basically dismissing the case to SR Radishes. I don't get that. I think the case was objectively fine unless you have some TMI or anterior reasons for thinking otherwise.


After this, and aside from a small post or two, it was radio silence on the Scirrus front until Hally got here.

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine


would feel bad misyeeting him d1 yet again but.... he feels so different and calculated here


and dizzy is not even remotely off the hook

Nutella is now firmly in the Hally camp in the campaign to chop radishes. This isn't strange but I'm just making a note of it.

alright heres basically where im at now

lock town
hally
tim
tutuu

town with reservations, roughly ordered
benson
amy
lc
proto
dizzy (trusting hally lol)
wwh
nanook
iaafr

shh don't tell her but trending down
alison

meh/lean scum
colin
cbob
kza
radish

Hally is lock town.

What

WHAT

Some of the placements on the list are just bewildering. I want to call it villagery to not just be sheeping the consensus, but if we really were on the right track with some of our scum reads then maybe she's forced into the position to try to push a completely different consensus than most of the other players have established. Idk, but this is super interesting.

What I'm saying is I really want to think this is a w/w duo. That might be far too easy though. But this is what I want people to look at closely today: MR vs Hally & Nute. We have something spicy there.

shrug

if nut is a wolf it’s possible she’s trying to pocket me because she knows i’m easily susceptible to that. but we’ve towned together a few times already and tend to share similar perspectives when we do so it’s not out of the realm of possibility to me that she’s found me as town as quickly as she has. i’m not that difficult to read

also i’m pretty sure if we were teamed nut wouldn’t lock me as town so quickly with my slot in the position it’s in and her not being that townread but ymmv

Reading the last few pages led me to ISO Nanook and all I see is some early "reads" followed by a bunch of nothing until he started getting pressure, at which point there was finally another piece of game-relevant info. So [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

this seems like a pretty opportunistic vote and push. i’m really not finding you towny so far

Hally you've called a couple of things "not W/W" and:

1) Like you've pointed out it's a little too early in the game to be doing associatives like that.

2) I don't actually understand why they aren't W/W. Like it isn't obvious to me why the interactions you point out aren't within the scum range of the players involved to fake.

Can you please elaborate a bit more on those thoughts?

linki: Yes, that dynamic you're alluding to between MR, nanook and nutella. What is it about it that makes you think they can't be associated together? I don't get the sense that the scum ranges of any of those three players are particularly narrow, so it has to be something specific and strong that makes you think this.

double linki: Also what is with you being so quick to do associative stuff?

idk sometimes i do associatives it’s not really new for me

so like, i think radish/nanook are possible w/w because nanook kinda sandwiched radishes into his tr’s early even though i don’t think radishes really belongs there. wolves tend to like to lump teammates in with villagers

nanook/nut not aligned because i dont see any reason why nut would push on nanook here as w/w. could she? like yea it’s not out of her wolf range but like... why would she when nanook is not under threat

radishes/nut not aligned because i don’t think w!radishes would defend w!nut like that when she was getting wagoned. it had an air of tmi to it, like he knew nut was a villager and wanted to keep his hands clean of anything having to do with the push/maybe even pocket nut

that’s the associatives i have in that group of three. obviously not set in stone but yea

These associatives require a lot of assumptions and I'm mostly inclined to think you made them up honestly. Like you have a set of assumptions about how mafia would play, like never bus D1, and I'm left with more questions than answers. Why is someone who townreads someone who doesn't deserve it wolves with them, and not wolf whiteknighting/TMI-ing a town, or just town with a weird read? Why can't wolves use D1 to distance knowing full well that their interactions will be referred to later down the road?

It's not even necessarily a question of "Hally is wrong", it's like you're concocting a narrative of the spot and trying to push it on us in lieu of doing actual investigative work, which is why I was kinda skeeved out by your random associative analysis that didn't seem to lead anywhere and felt extremely premature.

nutella: Just when you're trending up on my radar, I'm trending down on yours. :P

i’m not married to any of this analysis since we don’t even have flips yet but i believe the assumptions i’m making are more often true than not. i don’t hard align nanook/radishes but i think it’s possible. i would say i’m much more confident in nut/radishes and nut/nanook not being aligned then radishes/nanook being aligned

like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk what to tell you. sometimes i have thoughts based on assumptions that may not be correct or fully formed. it’s the nature of making reads in a game in which i know nothing

i’m honestly not sure why you have a problem with this. i think you’re just calling it fake because you’re either already tunneled on sc being a wolf and don’t wanna give me a chance or a wolf who doesn’t wanna let this mislim slip away because you can see i’m already working my way out of the hole

it’s fine though, we tend to have different approaches and ways of thinking about interactions so it could just be that

I heavily vibed with the bolded take on Alison's treatment of Hally's slot. It should be a good thing that Hally came in and towned it up to pull their slot up out of a tight spot. Alison looks like she doesn't want this to happen.

eh. it’s hard because confirmation bias is a real thing. i honestly don’t know how to separate townies who are confbiasing my play into being wolfy because omg sc was evil and wolves who are pretending to confbias because they’d really like to be able to get me mislimed here. subbing into a widely scum read slot means that i’m necessarily gonna have to contend with the baggage sc accumulated and it’s going to affect how people read me even if they’re approaching me in good faith. benson, for example, i think is town who is just confbiasing. radishes could be a wolf trying to hold on to the push because i don’t feel he actually gave my play a fair shake at all. with benson i can see the gears turning as he tries to evaluate me even though he comes to a conclusion that’s incorrect. i don’t feel radishes has actually evaluated me in the same way so far. alison i’m torn on because we have such different ways of thinking that i can buy she genuinely doesnt like my play, but i also think she would exploit that as a wolf

idk it’s hard to evaluate tbh

Your rebuttals are fair. I think you took my accusations to close to heart because it certainly is a confbias argument; I know that. I wanted to find the reasons your slot was still scum, mainly because others started townreading you for it and I don't like to let players slide by so easily. It's not that I look at your progression and think it's wolfy in a vacuum. I look at it and see something completely possible from a strong wolf that knows how to fake a good progression and put themselves into a good position.
If you are town then this is a really unfortunate position to be in and you're doing admirably.

After writing it down, the idea of you and nut being w/w made less and less sense. It's definitely not a likely association at this point.
If I think you do have a w/w association it might be with Amy; because I still don't know how you look at Amy and think town right now (I don't expect you to address this again).

okay, thanks. i appreciate this response. i feel there’s very little i can do to avoid dying today if people write off the towny things i do because of scirrus and my reputation. its a bit disheartening to be in this position but i do understand it

For some reason this game just make lose all motivation to play so I'm going to abandon the usual theatrics and quotes and just give it to you as simple as I can.

Scirrus was scummy. Hally replaced Scirrus. Hally was anemic at best and had really disagreeable thought processes at worst. I see no reason to shift that slot away from the D1 execute. I don't like how people were quick to give Hally a D1 pass because I don't think they have earned it. I actively suspect Hally and I am willing to push that slot past the finish line and take responsibility if it flips green (@Timsup2nothin). You can give me hell for it Day 2 if I am wrong.

@Benson, please join me on this push. @Dyslexicon, I am not sure how serious you are with the Hally lock scum comment, but if you really do think Hally is scum after your catchup, I encourage you to join me. @tutuu, please sheep my read this once.

your read on me is kinda disappointing. i think you’re just confbiasing tbh. just because you disagreed with some of my posts doesnt make me a wolf. and i have no idea why you’re using “i disagree with hally” as a metric for wolf reading me in this game because you had the same read on me in jack attack and were wrong. our ways of thinking and play styles are extremely different alison. we rarely if ever agree. you won’t be able to read me correctly ever if this is how you choose to do it. it is what it is

i wholeheartedly disagree with the characterization that i’ve been “anemic” though. ive subbed into a slot that everyone scum read half way through D1 and i’m trying my best to make do with that position. i already have more content than several people in this game even in these circumstances and i think my content is good. but people don’t wanna give me a chance because of an incorrect read on sc. there’s not really anything i can do about that but i urge you to re-evaluate

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For me when someone new comes in to play, i try to reeevalue it as a whole and not focus on past reads

Their slot's alignment doesn't change just because they subbed out. And frankly, if Hally had been here from the start, I would still have them in my POE.

i don’t think you can actually say this with any certainty. you’re failing to account for me subbing into a spot that everyone already wolfread. if i was here from the beginning i’d be town read easily by now

i hate to bring this up but i am also coming off the back of the most soul crushing mafia experience i’ve ever had. i was town in a 120 player game and survived to end game and completely blew it getting hard pocketed by wolves. i’m extremely burned out from that game. i didnt even wanna play mafia now but i subbed into this to help tony out and because i enjoy the people in this game. i’m doing the best i can in the position i’m in

i’m almost positive dizzy had read exactly none of mine or sc’s posts when you posted this

this is kind of a weird post? like i thought it was pretty obvious that dizzy hadn’t read the game when he posted and idk why you need to rely on him to read me? you’re really good at reading me yourself and i feel like town!you would trust your read on me more? idk

I don't need to rely on dizzy. That's not what I was trying to imply at all. I want him to state what his goddamn read of you is so that I can take it into account in a more holistic consideration of you. I realize he hasn't read, and he can't give a read on you if he hasn't read, and that's extremely frustrating to me but if he has rl shit I can't really do anything about it.

okay

Hally, how confident is your town soul read of dizzy now that he's posted a few more times?

i don’t know. its hard to say until he actually gets involved, but i probably won’t be here when that happens if people are set on mislimming me today. i would still say town

this is the first post you make that i actually like. i was about to “aw hell naw” your push on wwh because she seems towny to me and the stuff you were questioning her on felt nitpicky, but now you town read her so that makes me feel better

I disagree with this. I think that's easily a scum radish post that was intending to elicit the very reaction it did from you. Much like Alison's back-off strategy.

oh i know, i dont tr radish just off that post. i know it’s not out of his wolf range. but it was a good post in isolation

[nutella]

Look, I could be wrong about Hally or Tim. Based on how my last few games have gone I'm probably misclearing someone and getting bamboozled. So yes, I will reevaluate them later. But I really do not think I could be convinced to vote for either of them today. It's just not the way.

Tim probably has a point that I should take that radishes isn't the way either... I would feel bad if I got him wrong yet again but I really cannot shake the feeling that he's just off

But I guess if we wanna just do lhf today in Colin/Bob/Kza I'm fine with voting any of those. Or Alison but idk if much of anyone agrees with me there.

[protocultures]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

[Benson]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

Dolphin?? LMAO

Are you trying to bait me into a rage?

Spoiler: show

The shooting MR thing was 100% a joke based on what he'd said earlier. Don't read into that.


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Random, but I still get small powerwolf vibes from Alison. I like her and her reads but I'm not at a level of trust yet.


[VOTE: Master Radishes ] aubergine

[Alison]

I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.

[WerewolfHunter]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

47/60

I really seem to like this post. I think this would move them to lean town.

[Benson]

Viable wagons that I see for tonight:

Hally (it's still viable if tutuu, Alison, and me (to a degree) are suspecting that slot)
MR
Amy
Kza
Colin/Bob I don't fucking care

In don't see anything outside this happening.

[Long Con]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

I don't like this post, and not just because you called his beluga a dolphin. Although a feel the same way from an 'avatar read' standpoint - how can you be mad at a whale that cute?

The waffly second line bugs me as a level 1 kind of thought that might be more likely to occur to a wolf who is going to have to think about their kill tonight.

I expect everyone to have some sort of role in a role madness closed setup. This part is waffly (waffley?) as well.

The whole post, in a nutshell: Townread (maybe not really) for NAI element. Scumread (actually not but watch out mister) on joke post. Townread (maybe NAI though) on half-mechanical subject.

All in all, boo. I'd vote proto if that were a thing today.

[protocultures]

Well like I said it's not a "never ever rescind" townclear, it's "I'm never voting for these people today and probably not in the near future"
I really don't think Hally's progression was faked though. Tim maybe the slightly weaker clear for that.

I went back and forth on Scirrus a bit. I didn't like his RP entrance, but I started liking his catchup posts and felt he was responding to various things with a genuine mindset, and then I made the comparison to the lion king game and went back to feeling less good about him.

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

Tldr: we screwed if dizzy AND Hally are mafia.

I always struggle to read dizzy but I feel fine that Hally is town and will sheep their re as on dizzy.

[Long Con]

Viable wagons that I see for tonight:

Hally (it's still viable if tutuu, Alison, and me (to a degree) are suspecting that slot)
MR
Amy
Kza
Colin/Bob I don't fucking care

In don't see anything outside this happening.

You don't think a nutella wagon is viable?

[Hally]

I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.

what’s so bad about my thoughts? like actually. whats wolfy about my content so far?

[WerewolfHunter]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

I don't like this post, and not just because you called his beluga a dolphin. Although a feel the same way from an 'avatar read' standpoint - how can you be mad at a whale that cute?

The waffly second line bugs me as a level 1 kind of thought that might be more likely to occur to a wolf who is going to have to think about their kill tonight.

I expect everyone to have some sort of role in a role madness closed setup. This part is waffly (waffley?) as well.

The whole post, in a nutshell: Townread (maybe not really) for NAI element. Scumread (actually not but watch out mister) on joke post. Townread (maybe NAI though) on half-mechanical subject.

All in all, boo. I'd vote proto if that were a thing today.

47/60

Another interesting take. I feel that for me the initial post to me seems like a villager maybe trying to leave room to change reads later

[Long Con]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

I don't like this post, and not just because you called his beluga a dolphin. Although a feel the same way from an 'avatar read' standpoint - how can you be mad at a whale that cute?

The waffly second line bugs me as a level 1 kind of thought that might be more likely to occur to a wolf who is going to have to think about their kill tonight.

I expect everyone to have some sort of role in a role madness closed setup. This part is waffly (waffley?) as well.

The whole post, in a nutshell: Townread (maybe not really) for NAI element. Scumread (actually not but watch out mister) on joke post. Townread (maybe NAI though) on half-mechanical subject.

All in all, boo. I'd vote proto if that were a thing today.

47/60

Another interesting take. I feel that for me the initial post to me seems like a villager maybe trying to leave room to change reads later

Change what reads??

[nutella]

Well like I said it's not a "never ever rescind" townclear, it's "I'm never voting for these people today and probably not in the near future"
I really don't think Hally's progression was faked though. Tim maybe the slightly weaker clear for that.

I went back and forth on Scirrus a bit. I didn't like his RP entrance, but I started liking his catchup posts and felt he was responding to various things with a genuine mindset, and then I made the comparison to the lion king game and went back to feeling less good about him.

Interestingly, Dizzy had a scumread of scirrus, but hasn't acknowledged hally since the sub. I find myself kind of trapped in a loop where I've decided I'm trusting hally, so I have to trust their godread on dizzy, but if dizzy still scumreads hally I have to listen to that as well and worry if hally was just trying to pocket dizzy....

Tldr: we screwed if dizzy AND Hally are mafia.

I always struggle to read dizzy but I feel fine that Hally is town and will sheep their re as on dizzy.

I thought about dizzy/hally w/w as a possibility but I don't think that dizzy (a) calls scirrus out based on nothing without having even read or (b) fakes the derp about hally being scirrus's replacement.

[nutella]

I strongly disagree with LC re proto and think proto's waffliness is townie. But think it's a real take from LC.

[Benson]

Viable wagons that I see for tonight:

Hally (it's still viable if tutuu, Alison, and me (to a degree) are suspecting that slot)
MR
Amy
Kza
Colin/Bob I don't fucking care

In don't see anything outside this happening.

You don't think a nutella wagon is viable?

Not really, no. Only 1 person is on it and I don't think there's enough people that would vote that wagon. Like nute is by no means clear, but I don't see it developing tonight.

Interesting take on proto, btw. I thought it felt like innocent paranoia, tbh.

[nutella]

In true rabbitella fashion I am already second guessing everything I said in my last two posts.

[WerewolfHunter]

Anyway, thanks tutuu and Tim. Softs aren’t my thing; unless someone says like ‘I’m gonna shoot you in the face tonight’ I probably won’t notice it.

I'm gonna shoot you in the face tonight for disrespecting my wolf game.


Also, I'm probably not putting a high priority on protecting softs in a game that's been described as "light role madness".

Conflicted in this post from Benson. Hi Benson btw never played with you. Cool dolphin. Want to townread you slightly just for that. #jokingnotjoking.

So the first bit is like setting himself up to claim frame if MR dies and then wifom defence. I don't like it. Not calling them scummy but I don't like it.

Second bit re role madness, kind of agree but how many roles do people expect in a role madness closed setup? I guess this could be NAI but I had the same thought re "I don't really care that you sorted in a role madness game" so slightly townread the post.

I don't like this post, and not just because you called his beluga a dolphin. Although a feel the same way from an 'avatar read' standpoint - how can you be mad at a whale that cute?

The waffly second line bugs me as a level 1 kind of thought that might be more likely to occur to a wolf who is going to have to think about their kill tonight.

I expect everyone to have some sort of role in a role madness closed setup. This part is waffly (waffley?) as well.

The whole post, in a nutshell: Townread (maybe not really) for NAI element. Scumread (actually not but watch out mister) on joke post. Townread (maybe NAI though) on half-mechanical subject.

All in all, boo. I'd vote proto if that were a thing today.

47/60

Another interesting take. I feel that for me the initial post to me seems like a villager maybe trying to leave room to change reads later

Change what reads??

48/60

The way he phrased the post and the way you said the waffling made me think that he will likely have room to reevaluare

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

[Alison]

I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.

what’s so bad about my thoughts? like actually. whats wolfy about my content so far?

I've explained this to you. I didn't like the way you were looking at associatives and trying to draw connections between players based on assumptions. I feel this is wrong, yes, but it's more than wrong - it's behavior that looks like scumhunting without actually being scumhunting. You are pulling out random interactions and saying "this can't be W/W" without even establishing that any of them is a wolf in the first place. It isn't helpful to figuring out who we should execute today or who we should have in the towncore. It's just spinning your wheels and is theatrics meant to make people impressed by how much you're reading into the thread or figuring out the game, without actually putting forward something that can help town.

[Benson]

More confbias takes: Hally kinda reads like someone that is pissed they are playing well but still getting scumread because of the slot and not because they are being wolfy (from their pov). Or maybe they're just regular pissed.

[KZA]

What do you want