Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

[mention]Hally[/mention] this is the scumread I told you I’d have later btw

Come sheep it plz

[Hally]

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

WOW look at that timing I call him scum and he appears.

Am I a magician?

A sorcerer?

A practitioner of the dark arts?

Maybe he’s just a very antsy beetlejuice.

[Alison]

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

I guess this is a good point.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Btw I have zero idea why Amy is voting for KZA but I’m going to blindly say she’s somewhat >rand town for being there rn.

I reserve the right to change my mind once I’ve actually read why she’s there kek

[Alison]

The KZA beetlejuice was pretty horrible, yeah. I wrote him off as a slanker, but apparently he was legit reading the thread, which is really bad.

[Benson]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

I don't understand what's going on because he's clearly around frequently. I would want to elim there but I just feel bad doing it if he hasn't been posting and I haven't been able to talk to him. After all, I told him to sign up for this, lol.

Linki: LMAO he's here!

Hi Kaz. Talk to me. Why were you staying out of the thread most of this day?

[WerewolfHunter]

WOW look at that timing I call him scum and he appears.

Am I a magician?

A sorcerer?

A practitioner of the dark arts?

Maybe he’s just a very antsy beetlejuice.

48

Why not use one post to say that i love this post

[nutella]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Down for this

[VOTE: kza] aubergine


Feel slightly bad because his d1 misyeet in champs was awful and unjustified, but he's absolutely nothing like he was in that game here, and also nothing like he was in pyre. So you're prob just right


k im running out of posts so actually looking at new posts before posting

What do you want

oh hi lol

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

.....idk this post and your earlier "what's actually wolfy about my posts" have me kinda worried about you now
like you're just relying on convincing us to wait for dizzy to clear you either because you're w/w or because you think you can fool him

[Alison]

nutella you and me are like thinking on completely different frequencies because you mindmelded with everything Hally said that I hated and the moment they make a post that makes me reconsider executing them D1 you get worried about them.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

The KZA beetlejuice was pretty horrible, yeah. I wrote him off as a slanker, but apparently he was legit reading the thread, which is really bad.

I mean no that was just a joke, it’s not why he’s scum lol

Glance at his pyre mafia ISO and that’ll give you an idea probably

[quote=NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME post_id=638720 time=<a href="tel:1595454723">1595454723</a> user_id=665]
WOW look at that timing I call him scum and he appears.

Am I a magician?

A sorcerer?

A practitioner of the dark arts?

Maybe he’s just a very antsy beetlejuice.

48

Why not use one post to say that i love this post
[/quote]

Thanks boo ily2

[Benson]

.....idk this post and your earlier "what's actually wolfy about my posts" have me kinda worried about you now
like you're just relying on convincing us to wait for dizzy to clear you either because you're w/w or because you think you can fool him

I agree and I'm glad you pointed it out.

Nutella stocks are rising.

[Long Con]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

@Hally this is the scumread I told you I’d have later btw

Come sheep it plz

Ok, Mr Soft, let's see where this goes then. [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

[Hally]

I don't think I'm confbiasing. I mean, the nature of confbias means you don't know if you're confbiased, but I think I'm okay at taking a step back and re-evaluating stuff and not getting too caught up in a tunnel. I re-evaluated on Michelle in Lion King, and I re-evaluated the exact same read on you that you say I got wrong in Jack Attack. I don't scumread you just because I disagree with your thoughts, I scumread you because of what your thoughts are. I'm sorry you came out of a bad mafia experience but that is NAI.

what’s so bad about my thoughts? like actually. whats wolfy about my content so far?

I've explained this to you. I didn't like the way you were looking at associatives and trying to draw connections between players based on assumptions. I feel this is wrong, yes, but it's more than wrong - it's behavior that looks like scumhunting without actually being scumhunting. You are pulling out random interactions and saying "this can't be W/W" without even establishing that any of them is a wolf in the first place. It isn't helpful to figuring out who we should execute today or who we should have in the towncore. It's just spinning your wheels and is theatrics meant to make people impressed by how much you're reading into the thread or figuring out the game, without actually putting forward something that can help town.

i totally disagree. when i started out i had radishes, nut and nanook as wolfy. but nut had interactions with the other two that looked unaligned. naturally this factors into my read of nut. if i can unalign her with other people i think are wolfy her chances of being a wolf are lower

like, it’s helpful to ME. i don’t really care if it’s not helpful to YOU. my concern is not to impress you, it’s to solve the game how i wanna solve the game. i can not justify my process to you beyond what i’ve said already

this still amounts to “i disagree with hallys approach so they’re a wolf”

More confbias takes: Hally kinda reads like someone that is pissed they are playing well but still getting scumread because of the slot and not because they are being wolfy (from their pov). Or maybe they're just regular pissed.

i’m not pissed. i’m getting irritated a bit or maybe just disappointed but i’m far from pissed. i grant that these feelings are likely not AI or out of my wolf range to have but they are genuine

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

@Hally this is the scumread I told you I’d have later btw

Come sheep it plz

i forgot kza was even in this game tbh

WOW look at that timing I call him scum and he appears.

Am I a magician?

A sorcerer?

A practitioner of the dark arts?

Maybe he’s just a very antsy beetlejuice.

yeah that was... kinda bad. ok i’ll do this

[VOTE: kza] aubergine

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Down for this

[VOTE: kza] aubergine


Feel slightly bad because his d1 misyeet in champs was awful and unjustified, but he's absolutely nothing like he was in that game here, and also nothing like he was in pyre. So you're prob just right


k im running out of posts so actually looking at new posts before posting

What do you want

oh hi lol

not waiting for dizzy to actually engage with the game and for me to give a solid read on him/him to give a solid read on me is extremely suboptimal ftr. we know each other better than anyone else in the game and you all would benefit from our perspectives on each other. i wanna be here when he gets into the game because i can actually read him and i’m pretty confident he will read me correctly too once he’s here for real

.....idk this post and your earlier "what's actually wolfy about my posts" have me kinda worried about you now
like you're just relying on convincing us to wait for dizzy to clear you either because you're w/w or because you think you can fool him

i mean, i am explicitly asking you to wait for dizzy, yes. i think it’s clear why that’s a good idea. most of you don’t know how to read me or him and i know we aren’t w/w so i think our pov on each other is valuable. i actually care more about being able to give a read on him as a legacy than i care about him to clearing me. he may not even do that. but i want my read of dizzy on the record before i die

[Master Radishes]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

[nutella]

I do know how to read dizzy I promise, I've played with him for like four years, space invaders was an anomaly and he's not obvtown here yet so I'm concerned, and yeah I do actually think you could be w/w so. don't feel great that you're trying to push for us to wait on your reads of each other in either direction

[Master Radishes]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

[Master Radishes]

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

[Master Radishes]

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Benson]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

[Hally]

I do know how to read dizzy I promise, I've played with him for like four years, space invaders was an anomaly and he's not obvtown here yet so I'm concerned, and yeah I do actually think you could be w/w so. don't feel great that you're trying to push for us to wait on your reads of each other in either direction

but you just said dizzy and i are werent w/w? like i legit don’t even know if dizzy knows that i subbed in for scirrus lol. and idk why the fringe possibility of us being exactly w/w is likely enough to you to weigh so heavily here

and ok, like... i don’t have faith in this site’s collective ability to read dizzy. he just swept as scum in lion king. he was widely suspected as town in space invaders. to me that says people generally don’t know how to read him here so i’d like to be able to help with that if possible

this isn’t even the best reason to let me live. the best reason is that i’m town and i believe i’ve already clearly shown that. but if you’re looking for a reason outside of my play to give me a pass waiting for dizzy is a very good reason objectively speaking. its just... extremely suboptimal to not let people with godreads on each other be able to actually read each other when we’re in the same game together

[protocultures]

I strongly disagree with LC re proto and think proto's waffliness is townie. But think it's a real take from LC.

Didn't think I was waffle-esque. Will try to do better in future.

I suppose waffles are better than salad in this meta though.

Kind of like Tim and LC as mafia as a level 1 omgus. Still really hard to read LC for me since I don't have much baseline.

I will need to re-read tims reasoning for their LC read. I just remember they said they didn't have a meta read on LC and gave a long explanation as to why LC was town. It didn't sit right with me at all.

[nutella]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

uh


what


no


you are a wolf and you are making up spicy takes

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

are you seriously shading that?? hally has like 3 posts left they have no choice but to combine multiple things into wall posts. come on man


but i am coming around to thinking hally may be wolf. probably not if you are though

I do know how to read dizzy I promise, I've played with him for like four years, space invaders was an anomaly and he's not obvtown here yet so I'm concerned, and yeah I do actually think you could be w/w so. don't feel great that you're trying to push for us to wait on your reads of each other in either direction

but you just said dizzy and i are werent w/w? like i legit don’t even know if dizzy knows that i subbed in for scirrus lol. and idk why the fringe possibility of us being exactly w/w is likely enough to you to weigh so heavily here

and ok, like... i don’t have faith in this site’s collective ability to read dizzy. he just swept as scum in lion king. he was widely suspected as town in space invaders. to me that says people generally don’t know how to read him here so i’d like to be able to help with that if possible

this isn’t even the best reason to let me live. the best reason is that i’m town and i believe i’ve already clearly shown that. but if you’re looking for a reason outside of my play to give me a pass waiting for dizzy is a very good reason objectively speaking. its just... extremely suboptimal to not let people with godreads on each other be able to actually read each other when we’re in the same game together

lion king had like so few syndicate regulars. that playerlist was vast majority new ppl.


and yeah i said i thought he probably didn't fake the derp and then i immediately second guessed that thought lol

[Benson]

If Kaz is wolf then his teammates are probably vexed and bussing him today.

*Looks at Amy*

[Master Radishes]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

"I agree with everything you're saying but am voting you anyway."

Yeah that's a pro-town mindset. Either you're confbiased to oblivion about me or you're a wolf on a plinko board. I'm not going to waste time now thinking about the latter so maybe you just need to flip me.

[Timsup2nothin]

If Kaz is wolf then his teammates are probably vexed and bussing him today.

*Looks at Amy*

I think so too, but I'm looking at Nanook.

Bussing is more useful if done with grand drama.

See y'all at EoD minus one hour.

[WerewolfHunter]

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

I'm kind of tired right now so only sort of here 49/60

[Hally]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

spicier take: you are a wolf with kza and are chainsawing nanook rn

like this honestly kinda looks like bs to me. there’s no way you actually have a tr on kza rn or that nanook saying that kza is scum should make you flip your read on nanook

i also don’t believe you actually think nanook trying to get a wagon on kza is w/w

i think this post is fake as hell and if kza flips wolf i’m going for you next

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

and this is you trying to delegitimize the wagon on your teammate by saying that big bad hally is on it. nah

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

again, i call bs. nanook/me is clearly not a thing. nanook/kza is clearly not a thing

this is a very bad string of posts

[Master Radishes]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

uh


what


no


you are a wolf and you are making up spicy takes

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

are you seriously shading that?? hally has like 3 posts left they have no choice but to combine multiple things into wall posts. come on man


but i am coming around to thinking hally may be wolf. probably not if you are though

uh, what, yes

I did the exact thing to Mac in Slep that I'm accusing Nook of doing to Kaz. It's a thing wolves do.

[nutella]

aight we're back to hallytella mindmeld lands

if kza flips wolf punt radishes into the sun bury radishes deep in the ground

thank me later


that's cap see yall in an hour and a half



linki "it's a thing wolves do" lmfao but is it a thing nook does. man what a bad justification


k actually see yall later

[Master Radishes]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

spicier take: you are a wolf with kza and are chainsawing nanook rn

like this honestly kinda looks like bs to me. there’s no way you actually have a tr on kza rn or that nanook saying that kza is scum should make you flip your read on nanook

i also don’t believe you actually think nanook trying to get a wagon on kza is w/w

i think this post is fake as hell and if kza flips wolf i’m going for you next

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

and this is you trying to delegitimize the wagon on your teammate by saying that big bad hally is on it. nah

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

again, i call bs. nanook/me is clearly not a thing. nanook/kza is clearly not a thing

this is a very bad string of posts

All I see is continued omgus. You're not even trying to evaluate me. You haven't at all this game.

Never said I TRed Kaz. But he's LHF and it's very convenient Nook started up that wagon at this time of Day after doing fuck all this game.

[Benson]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

"I agree with everything you're saying but am voting you anyway."

Yeah that's a pro-town mindset. Either you're confbiased to oblivion about me or you're a wolf on a plinko board. I'm not going to waste time now thinking about the latter so maybe you just need to flip me.

I can read you wolf and agree with you independently. Sheesh. It's not like wolves are saying completely false things 100% of the time anyway.

This is so unnecessarily salty given where I'm really at right now. I feel like if you were town and thought I was town you'd be actually trying to work with me. Right now, you're kind of off on your own and this is why I'm so suspicious. I know when you're town and it's early your primary focus is on making your towncore, or your trusted players, and working with them. That isn't evident so far.

[Master Radishes]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

"I agree with everything you're saying but am voting you anyway."

Yeah that's a pro-town mindset. Either you're confbiased to oblivion about me or you're a wolf on a plinko board. I'm not going to waste time now thinking about the latter so maybe you just need to flip me.

I can read you wolf and agree with you independently. Sheesh. It's not like wolves are saying completely false things 100% of the time anyway.

This is so unnecessarily salty given where I'm really at right now. I feel like if you were town and thought I was town you'd be actually trying to work with me. Right now, you're kind of off on your own and this is why I'm so suspicious. I know when you're town and it's early your primary focus is on making your towncore, or your trusted players, and working with them. That isn't evident so far.

I'm on my own because my towncore isn't playing with me. You refuse to trust me and the others I TR are never around when I am. Every time I try to contribute I get called a wolf or ignored. So yeah, I'm playing on my own.

As for saltiness that wasn't my intention, but it's nearly midnight here and I'm tired and so maybe I'm coming across more abrupt than usual.

[Alison]

Why do you keep insisting that you've shown you're obvtown when there are multiple people in the game who have expressed suspicion of you

[Master Radishes]

I'm quite happy to yeet Scirrusally into the sun still.

[mention]Benson[/mention] you say you think there's a wolf between us two, right? Do you want to join my in chopping her then?

[Hally]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

spicier take: you are a wolf with kza and are chainsawing nanook rn

like this honestly kinda looks like bs to me. there’s no way you actually have a tr on kza rn or that nanook saying that kza is scum should make you flip your read on nanook

i also don’t believe you actually think nanook trying to get a wagon on kza is w/w

i think this post is fake as hell and if kza flips wolf i’m going for you next

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

and this is you trying to delegitimize the wagon on your teammate by saying that big bad hally is on it. nah

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

again, i call bs. nanook/me is clearly not a thing. nanook/kza is clearly not a thing

this is a very bad string of posts

All I see is continued omgus. You're not even trying to evaluate me. You haven't at all this game.

Never said I TRed Kaz. But he's LHF and it's very convenient Nook started up that wagon at this time of Day after doing fuck all this game.

how does your thought process make sense?

you didn’t have a read kza

you town read nanook

you see nanook say that kza is scum and asking people to wagon him

so you immediately jump to either
1) nanook is a wolf who is trying to yeet town!kza (even though you tr nanook and not kza)
or
2) nanook is teammates with kza (even though you tr nanook and it makes no sense to bus kza here)

why is nanook suddenly a wolf for sussing kza? why do you assume kza is town in this first world? and in the w/w world, why would he be bussing kza rn? how does any of this make sense?

[Master Radishes]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

spicier take: you are a wolf with kza and are chainsawing nanook rn

like this honestly kinda looks like bs to me. there’s no way you actually have a tr on kza rn or that nanook saying that kza is scum should make you flip your read on nanook

i also don’t believe you actually think nanook trying to get a wagon on kza is w/w

i think this post is fake as hell and if kza flips wolf i’m going for you next

Oh but yuck, Hally's vote on KZA.

and this is you trying to delegitimize the wagon on your teammate by saying that big bad hally is on it. nah

Like LC's was wagony, but Hally's was bured in a wall post and lacked conviction.


Nook/KZA
or
Nook/Hally
are possibilities here.

again, i call bs. nanook/me is clearly not a thing. nanook/kza is clearly not a thing

this is a very bad string of posts

All I see is continued omgus. You're not even trying to evaluate me. You haven't at all this game.

Never said I TRed Kaz. But he's LHF and it's very convenient Nook started up that wagon at this time of Day after doing fuck all this game.

how does your thought process make sense?

you didn’t have a read kza

you town read nanook

you see nanook say that kza is scum and asking people to wagon him

so you immediately jump to either
1) nanook is a wolf who is trying to yeet town!kza (even though you tr nanook and not kza)
or
2) nanook is teammates with kza (even though you tr nanook and it makes no sense to bus kza here)

why is nanook suddenly a wolf for sussing kza? why do you assume kza is town in this first world? and in the w/w world, why would he be bussing kza rn? how does any of this make sense?

It's HOW he did it. It came out of nowhere and he was performative about it. Too confident, even.

I don't get why you think this thought process is a bad one. Am I not allowed to snap change my read on someone?

[Alison]

Hally, in Jack Attack you espoused the notion that pre-flip assiciatives are scummy. Why are they a part of your solving process now? And why do you find it wrong that I object to them?

[protocultures]

Ok so saw a lot of people were scum reading KSA. I didn't remember what they posted. I have now isoed. Didn't take long.

Don't think its towny at all and understand the push for it. But there is so little there, I prefer to wait for more. They haven't even given any reads yet this game.

If the meta to push exists to discourage this slanking behaviour, I am all for this push. If it's just a pure push for being scummy, I like it less. I want there to be more posts townread as scummy before pushing as scum.

[Benson]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

"I agree with everything you're saying but am voting you anyway."

Yeah that's a pro-town mindset. Either you're confbiased to oblivion about me or you're a wolf on a plinko board. I'm not going to waste time now thinking about the latter so maybe you just need to flip me.

I can read you wolf and agree with you independently. Sheesh. It's not like wolves are saying completely false things 100% of the time anyway.

This is so unnecessarily salty given where I'm really at right now. I feel like if you were town and thought I was town you'd be actually trying to work with me. Right now, you're kind of off on your own and this is why I'm so suspicious. I know when you're town and it's early your primary focus is on making your towncore, or your trusted players, and working with them. That isn't evident so far.

I'm on my own because my towncore isn't playing with me. You refuse to trust me and the others I TR are never around when I am. Every time I try to contribute I get called a wolf or ignored. So yeah, I'm playing on my own.

As for saltiness that wasn't my intention, but it's nearly midnight here and I'm tired and so maybe I'm coming across more abrupt than usual.

That's not entirely true. I've discussed most of your recent points and expressed where I agree or disagree. I've been giving you the time of day all game. At least up until recently. There are only two votes on you (sneaky rabbit just switched) and you're not even under that much general suspicion tbh.

I'm quite happy to yeet Scirrusally into the sun still.

@Benson you say you think there's a wolf between us two, right? Do you want to join my in chopping her then?

We'll see. It's honestly hard to ignore Kaz.

how does your thought process make sense?

you didn’t have a read kza

you town read nanook

you see nanook say that kza is scum and asking people to wagon him

so you immediately jump to either
1) nanook is a wolf who is trying to yeet town!kza (even though you tr nanook and not kza)
or
2) nanook is teammates with kza (even though you tr nanook and it makes no sense to bus kza here)

why is nanook suddenly a wolf for sussing kza? why do you assume kza is town in this first world? and in the w/w world, why would he be bussing kza rn? how does any of this make sense?

Now this feels overly nitpicky and unrepresentative at MR's rationale.

It is also reasonable to think a wolf (wolves) may be bussing Kaz because of his thread status.

[Amy]

i don't think hally/radishes is v/v

i also don't think it's w/w

19/60

[Alison]

I generally think slanking is null because it can be caused by real life reasons. But if someone is actively reading the thread and intentionally choosing not to post, that is suspicious.

[Master Radishes]

(Sshh, she’s asleep.)

But I’m tired too so I won’t stay long.

No one sheeping my Tim read huh. Like 10 people were in the thread after my vote and it got completely ignored. I’m pretty sure there are implications to that which may change my read on Tim but I’m too sleepy to figure them out now.

I just read it and thought it was a good thought. I have similar concerns with Tim, where it's like he's trying to pull the strings from the shadows. Or out in the open.


I'm feeling less and less inclined to elim Hally as EoD approaches. Maybe it's actually seeing her interact in real time that's helping. But I'm still waffling hard between you and her. Of course, Kaz is the likely vote anyways, but for the sake of keeping things interesting I'm not joining that now.

Nanook asking to be sheeped is kinda odd, but also seems like a Nanook thing to do.

Hally's vote... yeah, that felt uncomfortable.

"I agree with everything you're saying but am voting you anyway."

Yeah that's a pro-town mindset. Either you're confbiased to oblivion about me or you're a wolf on a plinko board. I'm not going to waste time now thinking about the latter so maybe you just need to flip me.

I can read you wolf and agree with you independently. Sheesh. It's not like wolves are saying completely false things 100% of the time anyway.

This is so unnecessarily salty given where I'm really at right now. I feel like if you were town and thought I was town you'd be actually trying to work with me. Right now, you're kind of off on your own and this is why I'm so suspicious. I know when you're town and it's early your primary focus is on making your towncore, or your trusted players, and working with them. That isn't evident so far.

I'm on my own because my towncore isn't playing with me. You refuse to trust me and the others I TR are never around when I am. Every time I try to contribute I get called a wolf or ignored. So yeah, I'm playing on my own.

As for saltiness that wasn't my intention, but it's nearly midnight here and I'm tired and so maybe I'm coming across more abrupt than usual.

That's not entirely true. I've discussed most of your recent points and expressed where I agree or disagree. I've been giving you the time of day all game. At least up until recently. There are only two votes on you (sneaky rabbit just switched) and you're not even under that much general suspicion tbh.

Yeah but it's hard to discuss things when you know you're being scumread by the person you're talking with. Giving me the time of day is not the same as trying to work with me. Like it's really demotivating to put in an hour's work on reads and have them be dismissed.

I know I'm not a wagon atm. Doesn't change the fact I'm playing on my own. Ideally you give me a pass to see if I drag myself out of your PoE once I have some actual hard intel to work from, but if D2 is going to be more of this I'm probably not going to enjoy myself and wouldn't mind making it three D1 yeets in a row for the lulz and so I can mock you from dead vill chat.

[Amy]

If Kaz is wolf then his teammates are probably vexed and bussing him today.

*Looks at Amy*

i don't bus unless necessary, and almost never on d1. were i scum with kza here i'd probably just be calling slanking NAI and moving on

assign as much or as little value to this post as you want

20/60

[Master Radishes]

Is EoD in 1 hour or 2 hours?

[Long Con]

2 hours.

[Master Radishes]

Thanks LC.

[WerewolfHunter]

Ok so saw a lot of people were scum reading KSA. I didn't remember what they posted. I have now isoed. Didn't take long.

Don't think its towny at all and understand the push for it. But there is so little there, I prefer to wait for more. They haven't even given any reads yet this game.

If the meta to push exists to discourage this slanking behaviour, I am all for this push. If it's just a pure push for being scummy, I like it less. I want there to be more posts townread as scummy before pushing as scum.

50

Would you lean town or does it mean a neutral read?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s a significantly above rand chance KZA is mafia.

Sheep me for the glory.

Woah. Um. Let me rescind my v read on Nook.

Spicy take: this is w/w. Or maybe it's w/v with Nook as the wolf and trying to protect one of the wagons. Like something about the wording of this pings me.

Hey guys I think I found a teammate


[we’re going to pretend I never had a townread on him mmkay]