Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Hally]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

lol

[iaafr]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

@Hally I mean Kaz was definitely under *some* heat. I took my vote off of him earlier because he hadn't been around in so long, but as soon as he came I (and others) were inevitably going to pressure there. Especially after two full days of blatant lurking. I see your point about Nanook not being like that so I won't push that further for now.

i mean, okay? this is irrelevant to the point i’m making wrt to radishes though

i’m saying that for radishes specifically, given his stated reads of nanook town and kza null/scum, there’s no reason he should see nanooks post saying to vote kza and immediately jump to, as his first thought, nanook is a wolf who is either bussing w!kza or trying to kill v!kza. that conclusion doesn’t organically flow from radishes stated reads on those two slots. flip flopping his reads based just off that one nanook post feels fake and agenda-y

do you disagree with that?

Interesting wagons tbh

[VOTE: Hally ] aubergine

i don’t want you to take this the wrong way because you seem very nice and like a very good player, but if i’m being honest i don’t feel you’ve actually tried to evaluate me once since i’ve been in this game. you seem to have decided that you should actively be trying to find something wrong with everything i say or do because “what if i’m a wolf whos trying to fool you.” you think that, in the world where i’m a wolf, it would be bad for you to let me get away so as a result you aren’t truly listening to anything i say or trying to read me in good faith. but what you fail to adequately consider is that, in the world we actually live in, i’m a villager. and in this world, the real world, your insistence on actively looking for reasons to hold on to your wolf read of my slot is pretty poor play and kind of irritating to deal with

again, i don’t believe you’re scum or that you’re a bad player or that you’re doing this with any mal intent whatsoever. i’m only speaking about how it appears to me as the subject of your push. you can choose whether you care about my perspective on this or not

1) I honestly see MR's hot take on Nanook as a genuine thought that a villager could have. Why is it so wolfy for a player to make reads that are inconsistent with their reads? Especially when we're talking about tenuous D1 reads. I do that all the time. I guess an agenda could be there still; I won't argue that.


2) Certain things I'm doing on the surface don't explain where my psyche is actually at. I'm trying very hard to evaluate you fairly; trust me on that. I am reading what you say and considering it as if you were town, even if it doesn't look like it. Your perspective does matter.

That said, I'm slightly pinged that you're pleading to me as if I'm certainly town.
But maybe I really am just that towny this game. lol

FWIW, yeah, you are pretty much.

@Hally I understand what you are saying about "Radishes' hot take," but you should know that I had the exact same reaction. I've been sussing Nanook right along and had basically no opinion on Kza, and I'm not gonna say agreeing with Radishes makes him town here...but locked to the letter his read there makes sense.

yeah but it makes sense to you because you were wolf reading nanook. radishes was town reading nanook. so from his pov i don’t think it should make sense to have that reaction. from your pov it’s fine because it’s consistent with your stated read on nanook. for you it flows, for radishes it didn’t

Your point is valid, which is why I am not full on town reading Radishes...but sometimes a light town read does just slap you in the face with a big bushy tailed wolf move, and that may have happened to him here...because I think in the calm of night when you re-read Nanook you are going to say "OMG, that's just a wolf."

[Benson]

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Are you a wolf, Kaz.

[Hally]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

kind of agree actually. she hasn’t really done anything since those posts i tr’d her for

[nutella]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

kind of agree actually. she hasn’t really done anything since those posts i tr’d her for

yeah. she did say her internet was out for a while but she still could have done more while she was here

[nutella]

i think proto and iaafr both have some kza teammate equity

[Benson]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

Amy and Kaz as w/w is very viable imo. I'd want to really explore that if this flips wolf.

[Timsup2nothin]

i find that protocultures post wolfy

too backseaty and not forceful

honestly proto's presence in general doesnt feel as forceful as what little i saw in space invaders...

linki: i think tim is town believing what he's writing though, and not w/w powerwolf with protocultures if protocultures w (and i might just be wrong in the first place)

What do you think of Nanook and the grand drama Kza read?

why are you characterizing it as a grand drama? i don’t find how nanook states his read to be dramatic at all. its just nanook being nanook

to clarify, do you think nanook is bussing kza? and do you think radishes could be aligned with kza? it wasn’t clear to me from your post just now

Yes I think Nanook is bussing Kza. Yes I think that has been the plan for a substantial part of the day.

I think Radishes read that absolutely correctly and that Nanook acting like Radishes response is somehow wolfy is ridiculous. That doesn't mean I am clearing Radishes particularly, but I think it looks absolutely terrible on Nanook.

okay. i think the chances nanook is actually bussing kza here are extremely low. i think any combination is possible except w/w

nanook simply doesn’t strike me as the kind of player to kill his teammates for no reason. maybe i’m wrong about that, idk. but i see no reason to assume it’s a bus at all

How does Nanook react to a partner who genuinely just doesn't want to do it and says "day one, day two, whenever, just hard buss me, that's how I can help you"? How would you react to that?

[Hally]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

[iaafr]

i think proto and iaafr both have some kza teammate equity

lmfao my gut still says kza doesnt even flip scum

but sure whatever

[nutella]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

Amy and Kaz as w/w is very viable imo. I'd want to really explore that if this flips wolf.

also true i guess

[iaafr]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

Amy and Kaz as w/w is very viable imo. I'd want to really explore that if this flips wolf.

honestly kza flipping w would make me less sus of amy, not more

[nutella]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

[Benson]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

Amy and Kaz as w/w is very viable imo. I'd want to really explore that if this flips wolf.

honestly kza flipping w would make me less sus of amy, not more

Why? Because you think she's unlikely to bus?

[Hally]

i think proto and iaafr both have some kza teammate equity

i kinda feel like rabbit would just vote me though if he was with kza

like idk i think wolf!rabbit would really like to get me mislimed. really any wolves probably if they could. esp because i don’t think i’m gonna be a viable yeet if kza flips wolf so this is kinda the last chance to yeet me i’m that world

[Timsup2nothin]

Whether this is LHF of convenience or a voluntary buss bait move Kza is poison to day two and has to go, which sux.

[Amy]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

at this point i'd be concerned if you didn't

[Hally]

i find that protocultures post wolfy

too backseaty and not forceful

honestly proto's presence in general doesnt feel as forceful as what little i saw in space invaders...

linki: i think tim is town believing what he's writing though, and not w/w powerwolf with protocultures if protocultures w (and i might just be wrong in the first place)

What do you think of Nanook and the grand drama Kza read?

why are you characterizing it as a grand drama? i don’t find how nanook states his read to be dramatic at all. its just nanook being nanook

to clarify, do you think nanook is bussing kza? and do you think radishes could be aligned with kza? it wasn’t clear to me from your post just now

Yes I think Nanook is bussing Kza. Yes I think that has been the plan for a substantial part of the day.

I think Radishes read that absolutely correctly and that Nanook acting like Radishes response is somehow wolfy is ridiculous. That doesn't mean I am clearing Radishes particularly, but I think it looks absolutely terrible on Nanook.

okay. i think the chances nanook is actually bussing kza here are extremely low. i think any combination is possible except w/w

nanook simply doesn’t strike me as the kind of player to kill his teammates for no reason. maybe i’m wrong about that, idk. but i see no reason to assume it’s a bus at all

How does Nanook react to a partner who genuinely just doesn't want to do it and says "day one, day two, whenever, just hard buss me, that's how I can help you"? How would you react to that?

i still wouldn’t bus today if i could avoid it, but eventually i probably would? i mean, why are you assuming kza asked to be bussed? i don’t know that

[iaafr]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

at this point i'd be concerned if you didn't

what do you think of hally rn

still wavering rly hard on them esp

[Hally]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

Amy and Kaz as w/w is very viable imo. I'd want to really explore that if this flips wolf.

honestly kza flipping w would make me less sus of amy, not more

same

[Benson]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

[Amy]

STILL find amy underwhelming btw

at this point i'd be concerned if you didn't

what do you think of hally rn

still wavering rly hard on them esp

taking a rain check, have mostly skimmed their posts thus far

think radishes looked worse than them and don't think they're w/w

would not be surprised if i'm wrong on which one is the w

[Timsup2nothin]

i think proto and iaafr both have some kza teammate equity

i kinda feel like rabbit would just vote me though if he was with kza

like idk i think wolf!rabbit would really like to get me mislimed. really any wolves probably if they could. esp because i don’t think i’m gonna be a viable yeet if kza flips wolf so this is kinda the last chance to yeet me i’m that world

It would take a pretty brazen wolf to stay on you for the chop (assuming you are green) knowing that a Kza (assumed) red flip is coming day two. I suspect any wolves not bussing are hiding off wagon or gave themselves an excuse to stay on you by being afk.

[iaafr]

the wifomest of wifom slot

[Timsup2nothin]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

No doubt about this.

[Amy]

rabbit i expect you to post yourself clear tomorrow and will do what i can to ensure it happens

[Hally]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

[Hally]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

[Timsup2nothin]

Spoiler: show

i find that protocultures post wolfy

too backseaty and not forceful

honestly proto's presence in general doesnt feel as forceful as what little i saw in space invaders...

linki: i think tim is town believing what he's writing though, and not w/w powerwolf with protocultures if protocultures w (and i might just be wrong in the first place)

What do you think of Nanook and the grand drama Kza read?

why are you characterizing it as a grand drama? i don’t find how nanook states his read to be dramatic at all. its just nanook being nanook

to clarify, do you think nanook is bussing kza? and do you think radishes could be aligned with kza? it wasn’t clear to me from your post just now

Yes I think Nanook is bussing Kza. Yes I think that has been the plan for a substantial part of the day.

I think Radishes read that absolutely correctly and that Nanook acting like Radishes response is somehow wolfy is ridiculous. That doesn't mean I am clearing Radishes particularly, but I think it looks absolutely terrible on Nanook.

okay. i think the chances nanook is actually bussing kza here are extremely low. i think any combination is possible except w/w

nanook simply doesn’t strike me as the kind of player to kill his teammates for no reason. maybe i’m wrong about that, idk. but i see no reason to assume it’s a bus at all

How does Nanook react to a partner who genuinely just doesn't want to do it and says "day one, day two, whenever, just hard buss me, that's how I can help you"? How would you react to that?

i still wouldn’t bus today if i could avoid it, but eventually i probably would? i mean, why are you assuming kza asked to be bussed? i don’t know that

Because if he didn't he is an absolutely terrible player and I don't believe that he is that.

[iaafr]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

find this post wolfy, sorry if wrong

[Amy]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

it's entirely possible that if KZA asked to be bussed it's out of a desire to not play the game rather than out of any sort of unsalvageability of the situation

that was my plan in anni if i randed wolf, for instance

[Benson]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

What do you mean here? That you're the viable CW to Kaz?

[Hally]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

now? maybe, especially given the self vote. at the time nanook started pushing him? he had like one vote then. i wouldnt assume he asked to be bussed that early

[WerewolfHunter]

Ok so saw a lot of people were scum reading KSA. I didn't remember what they posted. I have now isoed. Didn't take long.

Don't think its towny at all and understand the push for it. But there is so little there, I prefer to wait for more. They haven't even given any reads yet this game.

If the meta to push exists to discourage this slanking behaviour, I am all for this push. If it's just a pure push for being scummy, I like it less. I want there to be more posts townread as scummy before pushing as scum.

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Would you lean town or does it mean a neutral read?

How do I read KZA? Scummy gth, but there's almost nothing there read them on, which is why I prefer a vote elsewhere.

My post above got mauled by auto correct and my own laziness. It should say " I want there to be more posts to read, in order to make any read at all with any degree of confidence, before I make an option that they are scum".

Thank you. That is really helpful

[WerewolfHunter]

I'm prob going play more real time tonight

I'm fine with KZAs Elimination especially because I'm neutral on them

[Hally]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

it's entirely possible that if KZA asked to be bussed it's out of a desire to not play the game rather than out of any sort of unsalvageability of the situation

that was my plan in anni if i randed wolf, for instance

again, yea that is a possibility now. i don’t assume that it happened at the time nanook started pushing kza though

[Benson]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

now? maybe, especially given the self vote. at the time nanook started pushing him? he had like one vote then. i wouldnt assume he asked to be bussed that early

Earlier, I think. He probably told them to feel free to bus because he wasn't escaping suspicion.

[Timsup2nothin]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

now? maybe, especially given the self vote. at the time nanook started pushing him? he had like one vote then. i wouldnt assume he asked to be bussed that early

I think you need to look at the way he obvwolfed the day. I think the idea of a planned buss from early on is very plausible. It explains the way Kza has played and the way Nanook has played.

[Hally]

idk how to feel about the fact that kza has 8 votes rn including himself

its definitely... a thing that is happening

i mean at this point if he's a wolf he's getting bussed

maybe he's not and it's just a runaway misyeet but i've seen wagons like this hit wolves on d1 before, and he's......not towny

i guess i have a different pov because i know i’m town and had a very viable counterwagon that wolves could have gone on but instead kza is running away with it. its kinda weird idk

What do you mean here? That you're the viable CW to Kaz?

yea, i was. we were basically tied

[iaafr]

find it hard to believe that hally ever thinks anybody voting them is trying to save kza when the sus came from before kza's wagon did and when kza is kza

[iaafr]

well, im not deciding vote, no possible guilt

[VOTE: hally] aubergine

[Hally]

I think if Kaz was wolfing he asked to be bussed.

now? maybe, especially given the self vote. at the time nanook started pushing him? he had like one vote then. i wouldnt assume he asked to be bussed that early

Earlier, I think. He probably told them to feel free to bus because he wasn't escaping suspicion.

could be. i find that to be purely speculation though

[Alison]

Why do you keep insisting that you've shown you're obvtown when there are multiple people in the game who have expressed suspicion of you

there’s like three people lol

its just you, radishes and benson really

That's not what obvtown means

[Amy]

find it hard to believe that hally ever thinks anybody voting them is trying to save kza when the sus came from before kza's wagon did and when kza is kza

kinda vibe with this, mostly for the "when kza is kza" part

[Hally]

find it hard to believe that hally ever thinks anybody voting them is trying to save kza when the sus came from before kza's wagon did and when kza is kza

i never said that lol

i’m saying people COULD vote me to save kza if he’s a wolf but they aren’t

[nutella]

find it hard to believe that hally ever thinks anybody voting them is trying to save kza when the sus came from before kza's wagon did and when kza is kza

i thought hally was making the point that people weren't saving kza


idk im confused

[nutella]

find it hard to believe that hally ever thinks anybody voting them is trying to save kza when the sus came from before kza's wagon did and when kza is kza

i never said that lol

i’m saying people COULD vote me to save kza if he’s a wolf but they aren’t

right yeah lol

[Amy]

well, im not deciding vote, no possible guilt

[VOTE: hally] aubergine

mm ok you're braver than me

i kinda wanna give hally a day here

insert smith memes here

[Hally]

Why do you keep insisting that you've shown you're obvtown when there are multiple people in the game who have expressed suspicion of you

there’s like three people lol

its just you, radishes and benson really

That's not what obvtown means

your read on me is bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯