Philosophers' Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2551

Amy - italian
Benson - no energy to iso
coliniscool - french
iaafr - genevian
Long Con - didn't claim yet
NANOOK - no energy to iso
nutella - german
Protocultures - chinese
Hally - chinese
WerewolfHunter - french
Tutuu - secret

dead:
Dyslexicon - danish
Tims2upnothing - german
Alison - french
MR - ???
KZA - greek
colonialbob - greek

[mention]Benson[/mention] sorry if u claimed nationality already, can you say it again?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] same

[mention]Long Con[/mention] i know u didnt claim nationality, can you please claim it? just the nationality

#2552

We did get a free yeet. Another reason I'd now like to hammer fairly soon once we're decided.

Tutuu: Roman - Stoicism

Random but feel like the town existentialists are a bit overrepresented. Even if it is my favorite school. Or maybe one of them is a cover? *Stares at Camus*

#2553

Where are the enlightenment dudes?

#2554

i think amy is a good yet for today

#2555

its amy (whos afk) or iaafr (whos trolling)

unless some wolf decided to super mega tryhard

#2556

I don't wish to flavorclaim.

#2557

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:00 am Thank you for writing out some of the things I was too lazy to.

Btw Colin kinda confirmed Hally's role. He tracked Hally, who redirected his action to WWH, who visited Dizzy; Colin received a result of just "Dizzy".
They could be in cahoots but that's unlikely I suppose. Also, I have no doubt Hally is a redirector of some sort.

Why are you advocating to waste tutuu's peek? That wouldn't be good.

So to follow the tinfoil to logical conclusion

Colin can be partners with Hally.
Hally knows she was tracked and so cannot target Benson to take the save off Tutuu
Hally redirecting the track which was intended to confirm them (not 100% sure how Nanook thought this confirms Hally/LC alignment) is potentially scummy.

the main thing I would like to know is what happens if Hally redirects someone who doesnt have an action. Do they get a message that it did nothing or not?

this eliminates some worlds which makes solving easier.

#2558

its likely LC went nowhere because I did as check (although I could have been jacked).

From my pov, Colin kind of has to be same alignment as LC as is risky to claim LC went nowhere, and I think they claimed before LC said they are passive/didnt go anywhere. It is possible someone else got a tracker check on LC and fed the info to Colin, but this seems unlikely, even to me. As such, I think this makes Colin and LC same alignment. Nobody else can really KNOW this for fact, this is only for me because of my own check. So if/when i die, you can add more weight to it.

Colin can be town and Hally can be mafia.

Hally can be town and Colin can be town.

Hally can be mafia and Colin can be mafia, however this also means LC is mafia, which makes the mafia team 5 in total. How much do we hate an idea of 5 mafia?

The world that cant exist is Hally town and Colin mafia, since colin says "targetted dizzy" and no way for Colin to know who Hally redirected to.

So if Halley flips town, colin is town, and LC is town.

If we cop check Halley, we get 3 for 1.

I probably messed up somewhere - [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] check my homework?

#2559

Colin should also think I am same alignment as LC for same reason.

#2560

So if colin is town through the cop check, Colin is cleared, and then colin can clear me.

BUT my claim came after colins claim, so it doesnt actually clear me.

RIP timezones

#2561

when i say clear colin through cop check, I mean by checking Hally. Never check colin directly.

#2562

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 am The world that cant exist is Hally town and Colin mafia, since colin says "targetted dizzy" and no way for Colin to know who Hally redirected to.

Whoa whoa whoa, Colin could be a mafia tracker.

#2563

I'm willing to hammer as well here. Just let me know on the decision

#2564

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:05 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 am The world that cant exist is Hally town and Colin mafia, since colin says "targetted dizzy" and no way for Colin to know who Hally redirected to.
Whoa whoa whoa, Colin could be a mafia tracker.

actually you are right.

Colin can me maf tracker and not aligned with LC, and be carrying KP to LC which is why LC got pinged.

If colin is was carrying maf KP, then Hally is lying though unless their redirect failed, but they think it worked.

Colin also could not be carrying KP and just be a maf tracker I guess to LC on N1.

seems kinda weird for mafia to carry KP to LC and claim they tracked LC though doesnt it?

Ignore the fact that I also tracked you for the purposes of the thought experiment.

#2565

I think it does make sense to go Colin here

#2566

colin potentially has more tracker powers to use.

Amy has vote stealing or saomething like that?

I think better to kill Amy to the extent my opinion matters, since I am in POE.

#2567

if colin is the last mafia, he would have killed wwh last night, as hally made colin target wwh

if there is only 1 mafia remaining, its not colin

if there is 2 mafia remaining, colin could be mafia

#2568

if we assume there is 1 maf remaining, kill everyone in the poe

iaafr - amy - benson - proto

if we assume there is 2 maf remaining, uh, pretty much no one gets to be clear except me and wwh

#2569

(technically even i dont get to be fully clear but yeah. wwh is double clear cuz of dizzy)

#2570

Well, my intention with the bait was to force proto down this road. I don't know what to do with the results exactly. His full-fledged dive into this feels so real and paranoia driven. He's simply pocketed me badly this game if he's wolfing.

[mention]protocultures[/mention] , btw, I don't think Colin and Hally are ever w/w. Because if they were they would've just faked the tracking result while Hally redirected my save, letting them kill tutuu. Really, there was no reason to let tutuu have another peek in that case.

#2571

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:08 am Amy - italian
Benson - no energy to iso
coliniscool - french
iaafr - genevian
Long Con - didn't claim yet
NANOOK - no energy to iso
nutella - german
Protocultures - chinese
Hally - chinese
WerewolfHunter - french
Tutuu - secret

dead:
Dyslexicon - danish
Tims2upnothing - german
Alison - french
MR - ???
KZA - greek
colonialbob - greek

@Benson sorry if u claimed nationality already, can you say it again?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME same

@Long Con i know u didnt claim nationality, can you please claim it? just the nationality

Italian

#2572

It’s impossible for Colin to be mafia unless there’s two alive, yeah?

I’m going to start looking at tinfoil worlds given dizzy’s claim/flip (RIP Dizzy), but I’m not prepared to start exploring two alive worlds yet tbh. Still think high odds that radishes was scum tbh

#2573

this wont help my case but I think i am still within mafia range currently although I have no mafia games on forum.

Maybe they were scared of the alarm system Tim claimed to have made?

I assumed that was a bluff though, not sure how others read into it.

#2574

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 am It’s impossible for Colin to be mafia unless there’s two alive, yeah?

I’m going to start looking at tinfoil worlds given dizzy’s claim/flip (RIP Dizzy), but I’m not prepared to start exploring two alive worlds yet tbh. Still think high odds that radishes was scum tbh

Colin decides to No kill at night for mafia, and Tim explodes himself trying to build some strong invention?

Other than that, I struggle to see a world of one where it is exactly colin.

#2575

The more interesting question is why is Tim dead over Benson.

they need to kill the doc so they can kill the cop, right?

#2576

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 am It’s impossible for Colin to be mafia unless there’s two alive, yeah?

I’m going to start looking at tinfoil worlds given dizzy’s claim/flip (RIP Dizzy), but I’m not prepared to start exploring two alive worlds yet tbh. Still think high odds that radishes was scum tbh

I believe so now that I think about it. town!Hally would have redirected the kill mostly likely (unless he didn't submit and Tim died through other means). And Hally and Colin aren't likely as a scheming pair. UGH. A town redirector is still so outrageously overpowered and ridiculous in this game. What is going on. If Hally is town, we'll be looking at the roles and events afterwards and will be thinking this game was gifted to us on multiple levels (despite the epic plays from some of you, obviously).

Fuck. My Colin pressure may be wasted right now.

Just chop Amy then?

#2577

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:37 am The more interesting question is why is Tim dead over Benson.

they need to kill the doc so they can kill the cop, right?

WIFOM reasons. Because they thought he was more threatening. Because I was claiming to be using my second of two shots last night (key word: claiming). Because his role could still do stuff after last night.

#2578

Wait. 5 wolves still makes more sense in a town hally world, where we have an abundance of town power. Colin isn't a terrible candidate based on those set of assumptions.

I have four posts left, so I'll probably wait for something interesting.

#2579

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:38 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:33 am It’s impossible for Colin to be mafia unless there’s two alive, yeah?

I’m going to start looking at tinfoil worlds given dizzy’s claim/flip (RIP Dizzy), but I’m not prepared to start exploring two alive worlds yet tbh. Still think high odds that radishes was scum tbh
I believe so now that I think about it. town!Hally would have redirected the kill mostly likely (unless he didn't submit and Tim died through other means). And Hally and Colin aren't likely as a scheming pair. UGH. A town redirector is still so outrageously overpowered and ridiculous in this game. What is going on. If Hally is town, we'll be looking at the roles and events afterwards and will be thinking this game was gifted to us on multiple levels (despite the epic plays from some of you, obviously).

Fuck. My Colin pressure may be wasted right now.

Just chop Amy then?

I...am undecided, tbh. Amy wouldn’t be a terrible chop and we have time to make it, but also, like...I think we may need to be evaluating worlds where some of the claimed town power is not actually town? Idk, I’m not really fully awake tbh, will think about this tonight, but there’s an awful lot of claimed town power. So either we need to start looking in the powerful claims, or figuring out which less powerful claims make sense as covers. Not really sure which yet, will get back to you tonight. There’s also an unfortunately real chance of there being five wolves, but I’m....probably not looking at that just yet? Idk.

Sadly no longer think today is a fast hammer day kek

#2580

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:39 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:37 am The more interesting question is why is Tim dead over Benson.

they need to kill the doc so they can kill the cop, right?
WIFOM reasons. Because they thought he was more threatening. Because I was claiming to be using my second of two shots last night (key word: claiming). Because his role could still do stuff after last night.

Well if Hally is last alive, they cant redirect Benson because Colin was tracking them. But then Colin would have died if Halley is last alive unless mafia can no kill at night and it isnt compulsory.

If 1 alive, I prefer iaafr or Amy for chopping.

I am always possible in a world of 1 though and I literally never get to leave POE.

Amy did say they had something to claim so we shouldnt hammer.

#2581

16 I think

This game felt like it was so easy a little while ago but it really doesn'ta nymore

#2582

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:27 am I think hammering this morning isn't a terrible idea because I'm running out of posts, and so is rabbit (if not already).

Colin, if you are town I think you have to make a sacrifice. Nothing you can do will get you out of the PoE and the other roles in the game are in conflict with yours. Maybe Proto has pocketed me hard but I think we check you first out of the two. You may say that you're a confirmed tracker. You may say that trackers are underpowered on wolf teams. Both true. But I think it's just clear that unless we are in my tin foil world the wolves were neutered anyways.

[VOTE: Coliniscool] aubergine

Signal that you're okay with this by voting yourself.

Bro apologies for gross language, idk if you’re “cleared” or not but you have a hard-on for murdering me and I DON’T LIKE IT

Like Ivan Drago if I die, I die but the whale man has been champing at the bit to yeet me, please let the record show

#2583

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:58 am its likely LC went nowhere because I did as check (although I could have been jacked).

From my pov, Colin kind of has to be same alignment as LC as is risky to claim LC went nowhere, and I think they claimed before LC said they are passive/didnt go anywhere. It is possible someone else got a tracker check on LC and fed the info to Colin, but this seems unlikely, even to me. As such, I think this makes Colin and LC same alignment. Nobody else can really KNOW this for fact, this is only for me because of my own check. So if/when i die, you can add more weight to it.

Colin can be town and Hally can be mafia.

Hally can be town and Colin can be town.

Hally can be mafia and Colin can be mafia, however this also means LC is mafia, which makes the mafia team 5 in total. How much do we hate an idea of 5 mafia?

The world that cant exist is Hally town and Colin mafia, since colin says "targetted dizzy" and no way for Colin to know who Hally redirected to.

So if Halley flips town, colin is town, and LC is town.

If we cop check Halley, we get 3 for 1.

I probably messed up somewhere - @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME check my homework?

I could be town and LC could be a passive mafia role, but that would then require Hally being his teammate, right?

#2584

protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:59 am Colin should also think I am same alignment as LC for same reason.

I don’t follow any part where you and I are linked here.

#2585

I mean look if you gotta get rid of ol’ Colin cause he’s stuck in the got dang POE again then you gotta do that .... but just understand that my entire Mafia existence for the last few years has been rolling a boulder up and down (mostly up) various POEs across various games and it hasn’t been the most correct move for the town in about 2 years ....

#2586

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine for now

#2587

19

Im starting to think that I'll prob vote Amy in the end. I just cant officially vote yet

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2588

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:33 am its amy (whos afk) or iaafr (whos trolling)

unless some wolf decided to super mega tryhard

yeah, agree with this. Amy, idk why you're holding back on your info?? We're almost certainly yeeting you so...???

#2589

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:14 pm I mean look if you gotta get rid of ol’ Colin cause he’s stuck in the got dang POE again then you gotta do that .... but just understand that my entire Mafia existence for the last few years has been rolling a boulder up and down (mostly up) various POEs across various games and it hasn’t been the most correct move for the town in about 2 years ....

Sick Camus reference. You can live, even if I didn't like your initial response, imo.

#2590

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Don't hammer yet. Wait for Amy.

#2591

20

sounds good. I'll try and be here whenever we're ready

#2592

[mention]Benson[/mention] in case Amy flips town, there is a very high chance you get resolved next, either by scum night kill, peek or yeet. Since your role won't flip on your death, I think the cons of WIFOMing outweigh the pros at this point, so can you please claim, and claim the truth (without WIFOM):
1) what you did on n1
2) what you did on n2
3) what will you do on n3 (and don't change your decision)

So that it can help us solve

If you're already truthfully claimed without WIFOM apologies, I didn't see it

#2593

i would like everyone to claim their full flavor - philosopher, country, school

once people have done this, i will claim my mechanical information

if people still wanna dunk me after that, feel free i guess, but i think said information will make a lot of things about my own play make sense

in the meantime i still wanna look at unrelated stuff tonight. just otherwise engaged atm

17/60

#2594

do you need everyone to claim it or just people in the poe?

do you insist i claim as well?

i think 80% of people full flavor claimed already. ill compile a list

#2595

Amy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:24 pm i would like everyone to claim their full flavor - philosopher, country, school

once people have done this, i will claim my mechanical information

if people still wanna dunk me after that, feel free i guess, but i think said information will make a lot of things about my own play make sense

in the meantime i still wanna look at unrelated stuff tonight. just otherwise engaged atm

17/60

confucius, china, confucianism

#2596

Amy - Thomas Aquinas, Italian/Classical
Benson - Marcus Aurelius*, Roman/Stoicism (he didn't claim Marcus Aurelius, only the other stuff, but I'm pretty sure it's him)
coliniscool - Camus, French/Existentialism
iaafr - Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Genevian/Enlightenment* (he didn't claim Enlightenment but I just wikipedia'd)
NANOOK - ???, Italian/??? (only claimed Italian)
nutella - German/Theology (didn't claim name)
Protocultures - Laozi, Chinese/Taoism
Hally - Confucius, Chinese/Confucianism* (didn't claim Confucianism but I'm assuming? Not sure)
WerewolfHunter - ???, French/Existentialism (didn't claim name but she is twice confirmed, both by me peek and Dizzy's peek)

Long Con - refuses to claim
Tutuu - I kinda wanna not claim?

dead:
Dyslexicon - danish
Tims2upnothing - german
Alison - french
MR - ???
KZA - greek

[mention]Amy[/mention]

#2597

i feel like everything is hopeless and we're just gonna lose like legit its 100% confirmed loss idk this just feels terrible like no matter what i do it will be wrong and we're gonna lose im so sorry

#2598

i'm fine with you not claiming. i was hoping LC would flavorclaim but i suppose i'm ok with him not having done so since worlds where he's scum are convoluted to begin with

so here's the deal

i concealed a portion of my role. when i target someone at night, in addition to my adding/subtracting posts cycle, i'm also informed as to whether or not they share their country or school with mine

as you can imagine, my first thought with this was "if anyone claims italian or classical and i get a 'no' result, i know they're lying", hence why i've pushed so hard for people to be full flavor claiming

unfortunately, literally only nanook has claimed to actually overlap me, and he's basically confirmed town anyways

so now i'm wondering if some of the scumteam has their school listed as "Classical"? it would make... some degree of sense, and it would make that part of my role something beyond "literally useless"

anyways yeah this is why i've been jonesing for people's claims

neither iaafr nor dizzy overlap(ped) me

18/60

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2599

i did claim name it's Dietrich Bonhoeffer

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2600

Amy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:11 pm i'm fine with you not claiming. i was hoping LC would flavorclaim but i suppose i'm ok with him not having done so since worlds where he's scum are convoluted to begin with

so here's the deal

i concealed a portion of my role. when i target someone at night, in addition to my adding/subtracting posts cycle, i'm also informed as to whether or not they share their country or school with mine

as you can imagine, my first thought with this was "if anyone claims italian or classical and i get a 'no' result, i know they're lying", hence why i've pushed so hard for people to be full flavor claiming

unfortunately, literally only nanook has claimed to actually overlap me, and he's basically confirmed town anyways

so now i'm wondering if some of the scumteam has their school listed as "Classical"? it would make... some degree of sense, and it would make that part of my role something beyond "literally useless"

anyways yeah this is why i've been jonesing for people's claims

neither iaafr nor dizzy overlap(ped) me

18/60

who is your role

lol!TSP?