Amdibals at the Zoo! [END]

[Urist]

So in the last game I played here, there was a mad scramble to organize at EoD and it allowed mafia to openly make scummy plays. Can we not do that again??

No.

apparently not.

i'm not going to be around for the last 3h before EoD by the way. so you lot have fun misyeeting some random sap who doesn't even have any scum equity. good luck!!!

[Carotenoid]

Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Which one is your preferred chop?

I'd vote Alison more since I have meta on her and feel more confident on that than 112. I'm willing to give a bit more time to protocultures since he's trying to reach out to me.

Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

How were my reasons to suspect proto unclear? I pointed out a specific post that I found hedgy and said that his use of meta was weirding me out.
(k to be fair maybe the last part was a bit vague, in better words I think he's slightly twisting meta to fit purposes that are agenda-y.)

Spoiler: show

Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.

I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.

Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.

Disagree with your interpretation on proto/Amy being ""easy"" pushes, proto scum idea has been thrown around but he has literally 0 vote on him and Amy is mostly consensus townread, Mac already retracted his scumread almost immediately after and Nanook was just sheeping him so meh.
It feels like you're purposefully being a bit off track to start a push/discredit/discourage people that are scumreading them. For example, you've mentioned me as someone who has pushed proto but that's pretty much it, you're mostly casting shade on a kinda nebulous pool of players without actually digging in them.

Spoiler: show

ok anyone other than alison

it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me

your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever

I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.

I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.

Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.

*insert TMI read*

@Carotenoid

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621076#p621076

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621434#p621434

Re Sabie and ted comments.

I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?

hmn I mean, I'm not saying Sabie is wrong but from what I've seen from tedxtr in Pyre and you from Space Invaders/Lion King you're not similar at all. You said you've looked at previous games from him, which games is it? Do you have a read on him outside of "meta"?

Also, you said you disagreed with my readlist. What exactly are you disagreeing with?

[Carotenoid]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

[Carotenoid]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[tutuu]

[tutuu]

Colin ur mafia dude

[ColinIsCool]

I will vote Alison before I vote Turbup/Wilgy. That slot is as town as Frankfort, Kentucky

[ColinIsCool]

Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy

if its not him it has to be 10k calories

“Here are things Colin did”

[SLIDE MISSING]

“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”

[ColinIsCool]

“making a post by post case is scummy”. Don’t mess with me today tutuu I woke up and had a 10-piece McNugget for breakfast so I am fucking ON one

[Urist]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

[ColinIsCool]

Urist: “112 isn’t scum because nobody on the team has come along to make a counterwagon”

*makes a 112 counterwagon*

[tutuu]

colin-kun what are ur reads on alison-chan and nutella-chan?

[Urist]

Urist: “112 isn’t scum because nobody on the team has come along to make a counterwagon”

*makes a 112 counterwagon*

i see what you're getting at, but 112 is probably just town soo

[ColinIsCool]

colin-kun what are ur reads on alison-chan and nutella-chan?

Waffling on Alison but probably a scumlean (like 60-40), feel good about nutella at the moment.

[Carotenoid]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

[ColinIsCool]

10K is like the least helpful vote ever. There is nothing besides a maybe-serious-suspicion of tutuu in there. Easy vote for a chop that gets nobody nowhere

[Urist]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.

[tutuu]

My final post for today

tutuu = town
amy = town
mcdougall = town
carotte = town
urist = town
tonystark = town

112 = probably town
protocultures = probably town
tedxtr = probably town
turnip head = probably town

nanook = honestly idk, but if alison maf he def town
10k calories = lol

colin = probably mafia
alison = mafia
nutella = mafia

eod is 3 am my time maybe ill swing in to vote but not guaranteed

[Urist]

Spoiler: show

112
Voters: nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool

Alison
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Carotenoid, tutuu

MacDougall
Voters: protocultures, tedxtr

DrWilgy
Voters: 112, Alison

Amy
Voters: DrWilgy

ColinIsCool
Voters: TonyStarkPrime

Urist
Voters: MacDougall

No vote / Unvote
Voters: Urist, Carotenoid, TenThousandCalories

[Urist]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Carotenoid]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.

hah rip, it would have been cool

[Alison]

not sure how much I'll be around EOD so I'm just going to [VOTE: 112] aubergine for self pres even though I'd slightly prefer Wilgy. But 112 is a fine exe anyway so it's cool.

I'm fairly sure there's at least 1 and probably more than 1 wolf on my wagon because, like, the case against me is awful so I'm just going to assume it's made up

[Alison]

Also I just want it here for the record that all of the players who think they can meta read me have been painfully wrong this game and should never try meta reading me again in the future

[112]

Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy

if its not him it has to be 10k calories

“Here are things Colin did”

[SLIDE MISSING]

“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”

strawmanning is always wolfy

[Alison]

Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy

if its not him it has to be 10k calories

“Here are things Colin did”

[SLIDE MISSING]

“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”

strawmanning is always wolfy

No it's not.

[Alison]

I wish I'd thought of this meme earlier because the optimal timing to post it is over but it's still funny

[nutella]

Does it? Just seems dumb to me.

u tmi bro

[TonyStarkPrime]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Probably not. In fact, I’d be willing to draw the opposite conclusion

[nutella]

Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall

112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.

Wait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?

huh yeah
Time to see if your script is working!

I already checked at the start of day, it's busted and I haven't had time to make it work. The fact that you have to be *logged in* to see the voters is uh, a thing.

You could chat with our tech mod boo about it -- he made a bot account for testing stuff like this

[nutella]

Still don't really get why anyone suspects alison, in my experience she's like a coin flip lmao


Just yeet 112

[tutuu]

I thought she was obvious town for u nutella-chan

[nutella]

Yeah I thought that for a while but figure she's probably not out of her scum range here because her scum range is incredible, I just think she's town

[ColinIsCool]

Ive decided 3rd maf is colin, making that post by post case on 112, shading tedxtrs wrong vote on mcdougall as opportunustic rather than just wrong as mcdougall identified it as. colin just slimy

if its not him it has to be 10k calories

“Here are things Colin did”

[SLIDE MISSING]

“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”

strawmanning is always wolfy

Show me where the straw man is then

[Alison]

Still don't really get why anyone suspects alison, in my experience she's like a coin flip lmao


Just yeet 112

Out of the people voting me:

tutuu thinks that I'm W/W with you being I was insufficiently offended that you called me a good player and I'm nitpicking just like in Space Invaders (so meta read)

Carotte thinks I'm casting shade on the people voting Amy and proto, and the way I was attacking tutuu reminded her of the way I acted in Space Invaders (so meta read)

nanook's reasons are still unclear but he scumread me for the third post I made in D0 or something, and hasn't changed his mind on that

Urist is scumreading me because he didn't like that I voted the same person as someone else I scumread

[Alison]

(all of these reasons are pretty bad)

[tutuu]

alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)

[Urist]

test

[Alison]

alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)

1) Homura was totally in the right in that fight

2) Homura won that fight and would have won it even harder if not for the fact that Mami was given a serious advantage due to tying the ribbon to her at the start of the fight. If it had been conducted on even ground it would have been a one-sided beatdown. But even with a major handicap Homura managed to come out ahead at the end.

[Amy]

i'll be around near eod probs

[Urist]

test

[Alison]

i'll be around near eod probs

I won't, I'm busy with uni admission stuff and I have to attend a Zoom meeting around that time. I might be able to sneak a couple of posts in between breaks or whatever, but I can't promise I'll be here the entire time.

[tutuu]

alison vs tutuu 2020 colorized (and in HD)

1) Homura was totally in the right in that fight

2) Homura won that fight and would have won it even harder if not for the fact that Mami was given a serious advantage due to tying the ribbon to her at the start of the fight. If it had been conducted on even ground it would have been a one-sided beatdown. But even with a major handicap Homura managed to come out ahead at the end.

1) nitpick

2) your mafia X D

[Alison]

all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there

[tutuu]

all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there

so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?

thats nice

[protocultures]

Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Which one is your preferred chop?

I'd vote Alison more since I have meta on her and feel more confident on that than 112. I'm willing to give a bit more time to protocultures since he's trying to reach out to me.

Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

How were my reasons to suspect proto unclear? I pointed out a specific post that I found hedgy and said that his use of meta was weirding me out.
(k to be fair maybe the last part was a bit vague, in better words I think he's slightly twisting meta to fit purposes that are agenda-y.)

Spoiler: show

Carotte suspects proto and TH suspects Amy, both for reasons I find unclear

Nothing specific but I wanted to see what my vote did for wagonomics. As far as I can tell it made the rest of the wagon evaporate.

I feel like these players have done nothing that I think is plausibly likely to ping the number of people they have as being scummy (obviously even the most townie player will get some suspicion thrown their way here and there but I see a reasonable amount of proto/Amy scum ideas being thrown around). They are really unobjectionable players and keeping entirely to their town meta and I sort of suspect that they are being attacked because they have less of an ability to defend themselves.

Also I hate this beetlejuice from you so I'm going to vote you again.

Disagree with your interpretation on proto/Amy being ""easy"" pushes, proto scum idea has been thrown around but he has literally 0 vote on him and Amy is mostly consensus townread, Mac already retracted his scumread almost immediately after and Nanook was just sheeping him so meh.
It feels like you're purposefully being a bit off track to start a push/discredit/discourage people that are scumreading them. For example, you've mentioned me as someone who has pushed proto but that's pretty much it, you're mostly casting shade on a kinda nebulous pool of players without actually digging in them.

Spoiler: show

ok anyone other than alison

it's unclear to me why TH becomes magically more scummy if voted by someone other than me

your AtE is getting to me so i'll explain that i do have some reservations about voting with you on TH considering my reason for voting you in the first place was mostly based on your vote for TH.
but it's d1 and i've proven that i'm terrible at reading you in general sooooooo whatever

I don't really understand what's so scummy about my vote for TH but we'll shelve that aside.

I think my points about TH's scumminess are fairly straightforward and easy to understand. TH has been anti-town; TH knows they're anti-town and refuse to change. TH has voted a very easy/lazy push for bad reasons. TH ghosted the thread for a bit and then came back to defend themselves when I called them out. These are behaviors that are, in a vacuum, objectively scummy. Any one of them could be defensible (especially the anti-town bit if that's just their meta like people said) - but taken altogether, it paints a poor picture of TH. Whatever you think about me and my vote for TH, these are facts about TH's behavior that you can evaluate the truth of for yourself.

Also if it helps you understand my decision to ask you to sheep me on TH better, I simply figured that taking a vote from someone I know to be town and putting it on someone I heavily suspect of being scum is definitely a positive development.

*insert TMI read*

@Carotenoid

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621076#p621076

viewtopic.php?f=106&t=1904&p=621434#p621434

Re Sabie and ted comments.

I kind of like Mac's one long post re reads list. Should prob stop voting them at some point. Assume day ends in about 12 hours?

hmn I mean, I'm not saying Sabie is wrong but from what I've seen from tedxtr in Pyre and you from Space Invaders/Lion King you're not similar at all. You said you've looked at previous games from him, which games is it? Do you have a read on him outside of "meta"?

Also, you said you disagreed with my readlist. What exactly are you disagreeing with?

Think it was in Lionking. Ted subbed in and I was commenting in spec chat that I thought their post style was similar to mine. You can come to your own views I guess. Cant really link a discord chat in a server I have left - you just need to take my word for it - or think i am fabricating the read.

re your reads list,

I'm here at the moment:

Townie
tutuu
Urist
ColinIsCool

Townie but less
Amy
MacDougall
tedxtr

Not voting here today

TonyStarkPrime
Turnip Head

hmmmm
nutella
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TenThousandCalories

Would vote here
112
protocultures
Alison

Im town, i think alison is town, meh on 112. My townreads are pushing them.

nutell aleans town to me, along with TSP.

scumread turnip.

think amy is town.

ted needs more time for me to think, along with nanook, 10k and macdougal.

[protocultures]

My final post for today

tutuu = town
amy = town
mcdougall = town
carotte = town
urist = town
tonystark = town

112 = probably town
protocultures = probably town
tedxtr = probably town
turnip head = probably town

nanook = honestly idk, but if alison maf he def town
10k calories = lol

colin = probably mafia
alison = mafia
nutella = mafia

eod is 3 am my time maybe ill swing in to vote but not guaranteed

RIP

If I had a town circle, it wants to eat itself.

Anyone fancy joining a town circle of something like:

proto
alison
nutella
TSP
amy

anyone at all?

[Alison]

all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there

so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?

thats nice

no? I said homura was in the right

[Alison]

My final post for today

tutuu = town
amy = town
mcdougall = town
carotte = town
urist = town
tonystark = town

112 = probably town
protocultures = probably town
tedxtr = probably town
turnip head = probably town

nanook = honestly idk, but if alison maf he def town
10k calories = lol

colin = probably mafia
alison = mafia
nutella = mafia

eod is 3 am my time maybe ill swing in to vote but not guaranteed

RIP

If I had a town circle, it wants to eat itself.

Anyone fancy joining a town circle of something like:

proto
alison
nutella
TSP
amy

anyone at all?

only if we kick TSP out of the circle first

[tutuu]

all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there

so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?

thats nice

no? I said homura was in the right

so why is it stupid to compare it to that fight. isnt alison also in the right?

[Alison]

all I'm saying is that you're going to compare our interaction to a fight then this is a particularly stupid fight to compare it to since homura was in the right there

so ure basically admitting that im correct to scumread u?

thats nice

no? I said homura was in the right

so why is it stupid to compare it to that fight. isnt alison also in the right?

because it disproves the point you're trying to make by showcasing me as being in the right :P