Amdibals at the Zoo! [END]

[Alison]

Okay, finished catching up. Here's where I'm at.

- Mac wanting to exe me is super questionable and makes no sense. Low activity is a "real life busy" tell for me, not a scumtell. I'll use strategic slanking if I'm scum, yes, but I've already mentioned elsewhere (before this game, even) that I was dealing with college stuff IRL that I didn't expect to have to deal with when I signed up for the game. Also the time in which I was slanking wasn't a good time to slank as mafia. I slank as mafia to let town self destruction and to take the heat off me. Town wasn't self destructing at EOD yesterday, and there was 0 heat on me. I have no idea why he isn't taking into consideration the fact that two flipped towns had strong townreads on me as well, and I have no idea what he was on about with the "the scumteam from your point of view has to be wilgy and carotte" stuff.

- proto is town. Stop suspecting him. When I die and you go back and read my posts, if there's one read you should trust and keep in mind at all times, it's this one. Mafia are going to try to get him misexed because they think they can get away with it. Don't let them get away with it. There are not really that many viable misexes in this game, and if you all can collectively get there on proto being town, you move him from "potential exe" to "towncore", which puts severe pressure on the mafia to find another person to push.

My preferred exe for this phase is probably TSP, I really haven't liked his play for much of D2 and all of D3. I am fairly sure a TSP flip gives us good info on Mac as well. After that I'd probably want to vote nanook (barring the TSP flip spewing someone else even more strongly as wolf), since nook was on a very bad wagon D1 and then didn't do much the whole of D2.

[Alison]

Also Mac I still think you are taking the "Carotte is spewed town thing" with much greater confidence than you should. I don't know if it's TMI or if you just have much greater confidence in the read than I do, but I don't think you should consider that post to spew Carotte that hard town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I'm not allowed to publicly make reads based on subs it shouldn't be allowed to talk about the possibility of subbing out either tbh

[tutuu]

if im wrong on 112 being town and shes mafia im probably wrong on mostly everything. i dont think 112 would be mafia with nutella/alison. so the mafia team would be something very level 1 like 112 + uhhhh ... turnip head plus someone else

if im right on 112 being town and i had a dayvig id shoot nutella or alison right now

Why is 112 at all incompatible with me and nutella?

Also "I would shoot nutella/Alison as a dayvig" is a horrendous take and I'm no longer townreading you

because i didnt think u would both start bussing her

There's 0 chance you count me out as a mafia teammate with 112 just because I pushed her after what happened in Space Invaders.

here is where u said it

[tutuu]

i think i wanna vote 10k -> nanook -> TSP -> alison (but would depend very much on the night kils)

This makes no sense, wtf?

In case they all flip town

[tutuu]

alison u say u wanna yeet TSP -> nanook so how does my post make no sense to you

[tutuu]

Mac might be right that yeeting between TSP and Alison solves a lot of worlds. But I rly wanna get 10k out of the game too

If alison is maf i think she has to be with either colin or proto. Dont think shes partners with anyone else

[tutuu]

Once again completely forgot about tedxtr

[tutuu]

Coyld he be mafia since everyone keeps forgetting about him?

[tutuu]

final thought: if alison and colin are both alive in f5 thats the team. otherwise yeet other ppl first maybe

[tutuu]

alison town flip clears so much. it clears proto, colin, macdougall

[tutuu]

if mafia had no power d1 unless wagons are w/w then mafia were just recluse. on their own islands. like 10k, tedxtr, maybe nanook. idk why r we having TSP in our imminent poe aside from perceived scummy day play, didnt he vote 112 d1? Let me check again

[tutuu]

Yea he did

Soooo why do we wanna yeet TSP so soon? Is it jsut bcuz ppl think hes scummy and ignoring eod1?

[tutuu]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

i guess ill sheep even though i think hes town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In broseph we trust

[Alison]

if im wrong on 112 being town and shes mafia im probably wrong on mostly everything. i dont think 112 would be mafia with nutella/alison. so the mafia team would be something very level 1 like 112 + uhhhh ... turnip head plus someone else

if im right on 112 being town and i had a dayvig id shoot nutella or alison right now

Why is 112 at all incompatible with me and nutella?

Also "I would shoot nutella/Alison as a dayvig" is a horrendous take and I'm no longer townreading you

because i didnt think u would both start bussing her

There's 0 chance you count me out as a mafia teammate with 112 just because I pushed her after what happened in Space Invaders.

here is where u said it

This post has nothing to do with what you asserted about my meta; this post just reads "I'd expect tutuu to be a lot more cautious about me bussing".

Please refrain from making meta reads about me in the future.

[Alison]

alison u say u wanna yeet TSP -> nanook so how does my post make no sense to you

How is 10k before either TSP or nanook sensible? How is nanook before TSP sensible?

[Alison]

Also you two are aware that Mac has flipped to townreading TSP now right?

[Alison]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]protocultures[/mention]

You two are my towncore, so: where are you at atm? Can you give me a readslist or if not just an ordered POE?

[tutuu]

if im wrong on 112 being town and shes mafia im probably wrong on mostly everything. i dont think 112 would be mafia with nutella/alison. so the mafia team would be something very level 1 like 112 + uhhhh ... turnip head plus someone else

if im right on 112 being town and i had a dayvig id shoot nutella or alison right now

Why is 112 at all incompatible with me and nutella?

Also "I would shoot nutella/Alison as a dayvig" is a horrendous take and I'm no longer townreading you

because i didnt think u would both start bussing her

There's 0 chance you count me out as a mafia teammate with 112 just because I pushed her after what happened in Space Invaders.

here is where u said it

This post has nothing to do with what you asserted about my meta; this post just reads "I'd expect tutuu to be a lot more cautious about me bussing".

Please refrain from making meta reads about me in the future.

Stop antagonizing me, you have literally told me in our DMs before that as scum your weakness tends to be that when you bus you tend to not be able to naturally reach the conclusion that X is scum the same way you do it as town, so you end up looking as if youre more focused on the end result, these are your own words. And I didn't say that you're necessarily scum for lynching 112 I just said what you've told me about yourself in the post cuz I thought it might be relevant.

[tutuu]

Also you two are aware that Mac has flipped to townreading TSP now right?

This has nothing to do with me. Please refrain from assuming who am I sheeping.

[tutuu]

These are your own fucking words [mention]Alison[/mention]





And this is what I fucking said:

outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read

Stop antagonizing me like you've been doing the entire game.

If you're town it's wrong and toxic, if you're mafia it's just as toxic if your plan is to get townread by alienating people

[MacDougall]

Hmmm now I wanna go proto first.

[tutuu]

proto is only scum with alison. if she is town please trust that he's town too. if u think he's scum he shouldn't be the first yeet. i think this is the same with colin

[ColinIsCool]

Today gonna be busy for me but I will do my absolute best to get at ya with the requested POE

[ColinIsCool]

I have become re-sketched out by Mac.

[MacDougall]

Why

[Carotenoid]

Why do you not see a proto/TSP world Mac?

[protocultures]

gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

[protocultures]

@1612 / @tedxtr - Just town for me. Have found their content totally fine.
@Alison - Can be mafia. Her content has dropped off. There were things that happened around day 1 (ie. no activity at EOD) that sometimes indicate a w/w wagon pairing. Totally capable of wolfing to this level I have first hand evidence of such.
@Carotenoid - Pretty sure she is just town, spewed by 112.
@ColinIsCool - Still just think he's town but tinfoil is starting to appear on day 3. We probably lose to Colin wolf unless we get a partner first anyway and nab him at f3 or something.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Town fmpov. Too much pro Mac material lol. The way that he lamented the potential of me pocketing specifically him just to troll him was very town and I don't think mafia manufacture that shit.
@protocultures - I think there is a definite possibility that Proto/Alison/112 is the team. If Proto doesn't have that 112 vote from day 1 I think he's probably flipped today by most.
@TenThousandCalories - Probably town for just being like completely ambivalent to how they are perceived.
@TonyStarkPrime - I'm probably wrong with my TSP read. It profiles as one of my non gut more brain wrong dumb shit cases that backfire. His "Joe calm down" post was really town and hit me in the face like a bucket of cold water.
@Turnip Head - Post history / @DrWilgy - Can be mafia, but only in like world building ways, his play hasn't really been bad at all. Still want to town read him for shielding me.
@tutuu - Just defer to the Amy read here I guess.

For me it's like

Alison/Proto
>
TSP/Wilgy
>
>
>
>
Colin + who the fuck knows maybe Carot or something I dunno.

and as this day has progressed I'm leaning more towards the top.

Separating worlds I think the best flip today is probably TSP or Alison still though.

Think it's Mac now. Trying to push Alison and me into POE. Time to bap bap bad town Mac or wolf Mac.

[Carotenoid]

I just don't see t!Proto world. He's night and day different from the other town games I've seen him play, no drive to solve or whatsoever. I'm not moved by the "oh wow look I didn't even know who was the nightkill"

TSP is still the most likely busser

wait.

That's why Proto/TSP can't be together, nvm Mac lol

[protocultures]

@ColinIsCool @protocultures

You two are my towncore, so: where are you at atm? Can you give me a readslist or if not just an ordered POE?

Policy 10k or yeet Mac.

Dislike voting else where today unless I need to save a hard town read.

[Carotenoid]

hmn. So only one of TSP/proto. I kinda wanna say proto but lolrecency bias.

Also, I don't think w!Nanook with TSP/proto blindly sheeps Mac, I think he'd try to have a bit more thread control.

[protocultures]

These are your own fucking words @Alison





And this is what I fucking said:

outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read

Stop antagonizing me like you've been doing the entire game.

If you're town it's wrong and toxic, if you're mafia it's just as toxic if your plan is to get townread by alienating people

Can't see tutuu as anything other than town for rest of game. If you got me with ATE you got me. Gg wp.

[protocultures]

I'm happier pushing Mac today

[protocultures]

[VOTE: macdougal] aubergine

[protocultures]

New towncore is:
Tutuu
Alison
Colin

[Carotenoid]

@ColinIsCool @protocultures

You two are my towncore, so: where are you at atm? Can you give me a readslist or if not just an ordered POE?

Policy 10k or yeet Mac.

Dislike voting else where today unless I need to save a hard town read.

Policy yeeting 10k and yeeting Mac being on the same line of priority is... something.

[Alison]

Stop antagonizing me, you have literally told me in our DMs before that as scum your weakness tends to be that when you bus you tend to not be able to naturally reach the conclusion that X is scum the same way you do it as town, so you end up looking as if youre more focused on the end result, these are your own words. And I didn't say that you're necessarily scum for lynching 112 I just said what you've told me about yourself in the post cuz I thought it might be relevant.

A/I/R07/08/2020
my biggest scumtell is that I over-bus as scum
which means I'm too eager to bus my teammates so you have to inspect my cases to see whether they're organic or made up

What I wrote: I over-bus as scum, and the way to sort me is to inspect my cases to see how organic they are.
What you wrote: Alison looks way too focused on the end result when she makes cases as scum.

Those are not the same things. You have already failed in applying bad meta reads to me one time this game. I think you have a skewed ratio in terms of the amount you understand my meta versus the amount you think you understand my meta. You would be better served not relying too much on meta to read me, especially since I'm not a player who can be reliably meta read. (That's not just me saying it, that's more than 10 years of mafia experience from many people on many sites trying to meta read me. I spent a few years telling people to disregard meta when it comes to me because of how awful people were at meta reading me.)

[Alison]

These are your own fucking words @Alison





And this is what I fucking said:

outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read

Stop antagonizing me like you've been doing the entire game.

If you're town it's wrong and toxic, if you're mafia it's just as toxic if your plan is to get townread by alienating people

completely different things

like I said you clearly don't understand my meta so just drop it. Nobody's antagonizing you, nobody's being toxic to you, nobody has said a single uncivil word to you. The only thing I've said to you is that you're wrong and that your line of reasoning is not and will never yield productive results, which has been amply proven by the way the game has developed thus far.

[Alison]

Wait so my literal entire towncore dislikes Mac's posting today?

Okay cool. Mac goes into upper POE.

This is where I'm at atm.

Towncore: proto, Colin, Alison
Barely outside towncore: tutuu
Townlean: Wilgy
Literally whomst: tedxtr, 10k (move this category straight into POE after today since there's only so long you can spend in here without doing anything before you just get hard POE'd)
Upper POE: Mac, Carotenoid
Lower POE: Nanook, TSP

[tutuu]

The only thing I've said to you is that you're wrong and that your line of reasoning is not and will never yield productive results, which has been amply proven by the way the game has developed thus far.

wrong on what?

[tutuu]

alison: "as scum im too eager to bus, so i put the cart before the horse, i want to justify my read fast"
tutuu: "outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read"

i dont think its that hard to piece together what i was referring to. that your intent is to reach the conclusion that someone is scum, and not that you intend to be perceived as someone who is trying to reach the conclusion that someone is scum fast.

why do you think scolding me and commanding me to never to attempt to meta read u and telling me my line of reasoning has been terrible and always will be over this slight miscommunication about a few words is an okay and justified thing to tell someone?

or are you telling me all of this because you think im scumreading you, after ive explictly told u im not scumreading u when i talked about that snippet u've told me about yourself?

"im not antagonizing you tutuu but your line of reasoning is terrible, which has been proven by how bad u've played this game" when im literally sheeping you and voting your top scumread TSP against my own reads. On day 3. which was preceeded by my day 2 vote on Urist who was my top townread d1, again, as a result of sheeping you and other consensus towns.

day 1 you said you were bothered by half a dozen people who were wrongly meta reading u and refusing to engage on your terms and you said "ppl who dont explain themselves shouldnt play mafia". ud rather tell 6 other ppl that they shouldnt play mafia rather than listen to the pleas to stop being so aggressive.

dont even get me started on how u treated turnip head by calling them useless and a troll and anti-town despite their pleas to leave them alone

every single time ive received a bell notification from u its has been about chewing me on something, even for the tiniest stuff like "wow, a tier 1 temur adventures deck beat boros cycling? what a shock tutuu!!!!"

you're bringing me a tremendous amount of stress after ive apologized for tunneling u and i dont rly have the energy to tolerate it considering my irl situation. im putting u on ignore and im never signing mafia with you again. getting rid of toxic friends is something thats very hard and its always filled with self-blame and doubts of whether or not im overreacting, but i dont think its normal to feel afraid of your own friends, and to have to walk on eggshells around them, or risk getting scolded and being made to feel bad

(i am treating you as lock town so you dont have to worry about your precious mafia game)

[protocultures]

alison: "as scum im too eager to bus, so i put the cart before the horse, i want to justify my read fast"
tutuu: "outside of the game she has mentioned that her scum game relies on bussing and focusing on reaching the conclusion that someone is scum rather than naturally getting around to making the read"

i dont think its that hard to piece together what i was referring to. that your intent is to reach the conclusion that someone is scum, and not that you intend to be perceived as someone who is trying to reach the conclusion that someone is scum fast.

why do you think scolding me and commanding me to never to attempt to meta read u and telling me my line of reasoning has been terrible and always will be over this slight miscommunication about a few words is an okay and justified thing to tell someone?

or are you telling me all of this because you think im scumreading you, after ive explictly told u im not scumreading u when i talked about that snippet u've told me about yourself?

"im not antagonizing you tutuu but your line of reasoning is terrible, which has been proven by how bad u've played this game" when im literally sheeping you and voting your top scumread TSP against my own reads. On day 3. which was preceeded by my day 2 vote on Urist who was my top townread d1, again, as a result of sheeping you and other consensus towns.

day 1 you said you were bothered by half a dozen people who were wrongly meta reading u and refusing to engage on your terms and you said "ppl who dont explain themselves shouldnt play mafia". ud rather tell 6 other ppl that they shouldnt play mafia rather than listen to the pleas to stop being so aggressive.

dont even get me started on how u treated turnip head by calling them useless and a troll and anti-town despite their pleas to leave them alone

every single time ive received a bell notification from u its has been about chewing me on something, even for the tiniest stuff like "wow, a tier 1 temur adventures deck beat boros cycling? what a shock tutuu!!!!"

you're bringing me a tremendous amount of stress after ive apologized for tunneling u and i dont rly have the energy to tolerate it considering my irl situation. im putting u on ignore and im never signing mafia with you again. getting rid of toxic friends is something thats very hard and its always filled with self-blame and doubts of whether or not im overreacting, but i dont think its normal to feel afraid of your own friends, and to have to walk on eggshells around them, or risk getting scolded and being made to feel bad

(i am treating you as lock town so you dont have to worry about your precious mafia game)

tutuu continues to be lock town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

Yes.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[quote=MacDougall post_id=653764 time=<a href="tel:1597805532">1597805532</a> user_id=441]
@1612 / @tedxtr - Just town for me. Have found their content totally fine.
@Alison - Can be mafia. Her content has dropped off. There were things that happened around day 1 (ie. no activity at EOD) that sometimes indicate a w/w wagon pairing. Totally capable of wolfing to this level I have first hand evidence of such.
@Carotenoid - Pretty sure she is just town, spewed by 112.
@ColinIsCool - Still just think he's town but tinfoil is starting to appear on day 3. We probably lose to Colin wolf unless we get a partner first anyway and nab him at f3 or something.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Town fmpov. Too much pro Mac material lol. The way that he lamented the potential of me pocketing specifically him just to troll him was very town and I don't think mafia manufacture that shit.
@protocultures - I think there is a definite possibility that Proto/Alison/112 is the team. If Proto doesn't have that 112 vote from day 1 I think he's probably flipped today by most.
@TenThousandCalories - Probably town for just being like completely ambivalent to how they are perceived.
@TonyStarkPrime - I'm probably wrong with my TSP read. It profiles as one of my non gut more brain wrong dumb shit cases that backfire. His "Joe calm down" post was really town and hit me in the face like a bucket of cold water.
@Turnip Head - Post history / @DrWilgy - Can be mafia, but only in like world building ways, his play hasn't really been bad at all. Still want to town read him for shielding me.
@tutuu - Just defer to the Amy read here I guess.

For me it's like

Alison/Proto
>
TSP/Wilgy
>
>
>
>
Colin + who the fuck knows maybe Carot or something I dunno.

and as this day has progressed I'm leaning more towards the top.

Separating worlds I think the best flip today is probably TSP or Alison still though.

Think it's Mac now. Trying to push Alison and me into POE. Time to bap bap bad town Mac or wolf Mac.
[/quote]

gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

???
??
?
??
???

[TonyStarkPrime]

I didn’t even edit that one and it broke

[TonyStarkPrime]

Two of Alison carrot Mac. Proto can be tinfoil. Epi also potential tinfoil but we have to trust he’s town I guess.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think if Alison flipped wolf I’d reasonably say that Proto was spewed as town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Alison Carot is ... fine?