Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

do you have reads of nanook or radish mac?

I am townreading them both but not overwhelmingly. I think if one is mafia the other one is also mafia.

[DrWilgy]

Idk doods. My gut says this is different from the civ tutuu I saw last game...

how so

There's less whimsy.

More motive imo... Just having trouble determining direction.

[DrWilgy]

Like... I'd describe towm tutuu like a electric fairy tyoe pokemon...

This tutuu is fire fairy.

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

[Timsup2nothin]

Has anyone noticed that Tim's reads are garbage surface level nothingburger and he's done nothing to promote them?

wasn't it tim yelling at ted earlier and promoting that read or am i misremembering?

I'm definitely game to run up Ted, but I haven't been pushing anything.

I have a history of bitching about people making and demanding useless day one reads, and I thought I'd try something different so went on this reading ISOs campaign. Truth is I was right all along, day one is full of nonsense that can't really be made meaningful in the context of zero facts. All the reading ISOs has really done is made me sleep a lot.

[MacDougall]

Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

[tutuu]

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention]

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[Timsup2nothin]

The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

[MacDougall]

The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

That's cool but I've not seen anyone offer up any strong arguments for other wagons. Not even Nutella herself has pushed her cases very hard.

At the end of the day it's a day 1 chop. It's not going to dictate the result of the game all that much either way. This is a game with a lot of roles so the night movements are going to be a massive factor.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Incorrect tim, D1 is for killing mafia









Possibly not this D1 but in general

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What has Hally done besides meme and catchup? Is there any actual reason to townread her that I’m missing?

[dyachei]

What has Hally done besides meme and catchup? Is there any actual reason to townread her that I’m missing?

they aren't overly confident on their reads and trying to thread lead more. probably just town

[dyachei]

they tend to really push their reads more as a wolf.

[MacDougall]

they tend to really push their reads more as a wolf.

What game did you play with Hally as a wolf again?

[dyachei]

g8

[DrWilgy]

Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

Alrighty dad. You call me trying to convince people that something isn't right with Tutuu lazy again and I'm giving up on sheeping Nanook.

I'm qyite literally talking to a player base of brick walls.

[Timsup2nothin]

The lazy line here is "Nutella's getting chopped,, probably wolf but could be town I guess, <shrug>" and that, in broad strokes, is the line everyone is taking.

That's cool but I've not seen anyone offer up any strong arguments for other wagons. Not even Nutella herself has pushed her cases very hard.

At the end of the day it's a day 1 chop. It's not going to dictate the result of the game all that much either way. This is a game with a lot of roles so the night movements are going to be a massive factor.

I agree. Just pointing out that the various "lazy line" accusations are kinda silly in the gamestate. It's a runaway wagon day. Looking back on it there are going to be people who were on board just because getting off wouldn't matter, and people who were off wagon just because getting on wouldn't matter.

If Nutella flips wolf there are gonna be people who want town cred just for piling on a runaway wagon. If Nutella doesn't flip wolf there will be people who want town cred for just throwing their vote away on a vanity wagon. Watch for them.

[DrWilgy]

Tim being Sus and talking about nutella chop as lazy males me feel better about it.

[Timsup2nothin]

Incorrect tim, D1 is for killing mafia









Possibly not this D1 but in general

Where did I say that it wasn't?

[MacDougall]

Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

Without actually explaining why this fart noises

Because of the lazy lines I pointed out earlier. Now, I don't think they are W/W BUT it's really easy for W to take the lazy line and fly with it when accepted.

Love accusing people of lazy lines then being lazy oneself.

Alrighty dad. You call me trying to convince people that something isn't right with Tutuu lazy again and I'm giving up on sheeping Nanook.

I'm qyite literally talking to a player base of brick walls.

Sorry that you feel that way dude.

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim being Sus and talking about nutella chop as lazy males me feel better about it.

Why is that?

[dyachei]

idk why but I can barely keep my eyes open today

[Poison]

Okayb I am actually gonna sleep for another half an hour please.

[Alison]

sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

[dyachei]

sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

[Alison]

sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

I guess my general point is that this entire push seems excessively performative and when you get down to it, it's just hiding on a vanity wagon tbh

[dyachei]

there's no real counter though. and we don't really need all votes on nutella?

[staypositivefriend]

as the mafia, i,

[Alison]

Alright my head is spinning from tiredness so I'm going to lay down soonish. I feel like the thread is stagnating right now like dyachei points out and nothing really matters so I don't feel compelled to torture myself by staying up for an extra hour to be honest.

[Oddmerta]

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

[Oddmerta]

You there. Why are you voting for me? I demand an answer good sir

[dyachei]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

[Timsup2nothin]

sprityo do you genuinely believe you have the clout to convince people to exe tutuu despite half the game townshielding her or is this case entirely performative? Like you can see that there's 90 minutes to EoD and there's 10 votes on nutella right?

so is there any point to doing anything? i don't think anyone on her wagon is interested in moving

I think the question is...

If there isn't any point, why is Sprit making this effort?

Like, if Ted turned up and really started banging the drum to make me a counterwagon I could make some sense of that. Maybe Ted really believes he has the clout, and maybe he really believes there is enough undercurrents of distrust about me that something could happen.

But Sprit banging on about Tutuu is really just banging on to bang on. If Sloonei host posted right now "players are not allowed to vote Nutella, do something else" Sprit still wouldn't have a shot in heck of getting Tutuu chopped, and I think that's so obvious that he has to know it.

[staypositivefriend]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

[dyachei]

ColinIsCool, Justplayingitcool, Long Con, staypositivefriend

this is my not being villa-read pool

kind of wondering about colin or you mostly.

[Timsup2nothin]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

[dyachei]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

[Alison]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

Forced busses. For instance a Hellbusser scum vig would be a scum vig that's forced to shoot their own teammates. Hellbussing is technically a downside, but it sometimes makes it very difficult to solve the game because it compels scum to do things that's outside of their scum range (and therefore makes them hard to catch).

As a simple example, I think we can all agree that it's unlikely for a player like juliets or tutuu to just brutally murder their own teammates in cold blood as a wolf. If they were Hellbussing Gladiators or Vigilantes (two hellbussing roles I've seen recently), then they would publicly claim those roles, murder their teammate, and then get fake cleared because nobody is going to suspect juliets/tutuu of blasting their team away on purpose.

[Timsup2nothin]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

I've played two games here. In both cases there were wolf roles that unlocked additional powers by participating in killing a fellow wolf. Basically they incentivized an organized planned buss strat; willing wolf who plays to be bussed making connections with townies, wolves who know that they will lose that partner early so come out the gate distancing, the whole bussing trickbag.

[nutella]

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

[Poison]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

Why do you think so? I think she has been the possibility from a long time, she can easily get bussed?

[Alison]

I thought about it for a bit and I sort of think if nutella is a wolf here her teammates are just going to do whatever the hell they want. Nobody's getting cred for bussing her because literally half the game is voting her (11/22 players), and nobody's really catching flak for being off the nutella wagon since they can always shrug and say "hey, nutella was obviously fated to die, I just wanted to push my pet scumread".

So nutella's teammates are probably just going to take the stance on nutella that's the most natural/logical progression for them to have given their "reads" so far and just go with the flow. I don't think they can do anything to change the outcome either since nutella didn't really defend herself and I suspect there's a massive weight of townies on the nutella wagon both from reads and from the sheer number of people piling onto her.

[nutella]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I'm gonna guess by wolves with Hellbusser clauses in their roles, which is imo a serious concern.

Hellbusser clauses???

I've played two games here. In both cases there were wolf roles that unlocked additional powers by participating in killing a fellow wolf. Basically they incentivized an organized planned buss strat; willing wolf who plays to be bussed making connections with townies, wolves who know that they will lose that partner early so come out the gate distancing, the whole bussing trickbag.

i really doubt sloonei has anything like that in this setup

[Poison]

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

But have you defended yourself enough when you are back

[nutella]

like the two games you reference were waaaayyyy more unconventional/bordering on bastard than most syndicate games, and sloonei's clause about that makes me think there's nothing that...extreme here

[Poison]

I thought about it for a bit and I sort of think if nutella is a wolf here her teammates are just going to do whatever the hell they want. Nobody's getting cred for bussing her because literally half the game is voting her (11/22 players), and nobody's really catching flak for being off the nutella wagon since they can always shrug and say "hey, nutella was obviously fated to die, I just wanted to push my pet scumread".

So nutella's teammates are probably just going to take the stance on nutella that's the most natural/logical progression for them to have given their "reads" so far and just go with the flow. I don't think they can do anything to change the outcome either since nutella didn't really defend herself and I suspect there's a massive weight of townies on the nutella wagon both from reads and from the sheer number of people piling onto her.

Yea I agree with this. Mind meld

[Timsup2nothin]

like the two games you reference were waaaayyyy more unconventional/bordering on bastard than most syndicate games, and sloonei's clause about that makes me think there's nothing that...extreme here

In the main I believe it would be out of character for Sloonei, yes,

[Poison]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

Why do you think so? I think she has been the possibility from a long time, she can easily get bussed?

Sorrryyy my bad I read Do not.
I'm very much sleepy.

[Poison]

i do think nutella is being bussed if she flips wolf

by who?

I think that's what we need to know by playing?

[nutella]

This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

bro i was asleep when most of the votes appeared on me

I think there were like 4 when i went to bed so i was like kinda concerned but def didn't seem like a runaway until i woke up

But have you defended yourself enough when you are back

apparently not. i've tried, and i've done my best to play the game and provide my thoughts. I'm just town here doing my thing but at this point it looks like most people aren't getting there on me. at least yall can look into my reads upon my flip