LGBT+ Mafia [END - Mafia Win]

[Ranmilia]

It's unreliable to an extent but so's everything apparently.

[Hally]

fuck why didn’t i switch

[Ranmilia]

you didn't want to throw your reads out the window at the last minute. it's understandable.

[Ranmilia]

at least she wasn't able to actually snipe a vote.

[Hally]

[Mistyx]

can i wehpost now

i know that you're probably thinking it's obviously sabie but i do think something that's at least worth considering is who kills who as wolf here

don't post about it obviously but just

think about it

[Hally]

mist who is mafia

[Ranmilia]

mist who is mafia

[Ranmilia]

we covered tonight already, hally's killing me, what's your point

[Ranmilia]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

hally's killing me with love, you're not allowed to vote them

[Hally]

im actually the vig and im vig’ing myself

[Mistyx]

mist who is mafia

mist who is mafia

did you both red check who or something

...okay that's one for the pun jar

[Ranmilia]

friendly reminder to everyone that mafia is a dumb internet game and please do not hurt yourselves or beat yourselves up mentally over it

[Hally]

....

ok that was good but like. actually

[Hally]

friendly reminder to everyone that mafia is a dumb internet game and please do not hurt yourselves or beat yourselves up mentally over it

this is true

[Mistyx]

oh wait you meant for real

uhhhhh tbh mp7 was probably my best guess

i do kinda wanna say it is sabie? but that would basically be disregarding hyena and TSP entirely so i need to go over them again

[Ranmilia]

who claimed doctor, on first tonight

[Ranmilia]

oh i see

[Ranmilia]

so that's how it is

[Hally]

oh wait you meant for real

uhhhhh tbh mp7 was probably my best guess

i do kinda wanna say it is sabie? but that would basically be disregarding hyena and TSP entirely so i need to go over them again

do you think tony and hyena were killed for their reads? i’ve been under the impression hyena was killed because he was on cayvie plus looked clear from cayvie’s push on him. and then tony i think was just because he claimed ic

[Hally]

so that's how it is

wait i get it now sorry

[Hally]

also mist i thought you always thought it was sabie? when did you think it was mp?

[Mistyx]

oh wait you meant for real

uhhhhh tbh mp7 was probably my best guess

i do kinda wanna say it is sabie? but that would basically be disregarding hyena and TSP entirely so i need to go over them again

do you think tony and hyena were killed for their reads? i’ve been under the impression hyena was killed because he was on cayvie plus looked clear from cayvie’s push on him. and then tony i think was just because he claimed ic

hyena moreso

but i think in a world where hyena is off with his reads you probably get shot instead of him

unless you're the other wolf but

[Mistyx]

also mist i thought you always thought it was sabie? when did you think it was mp?

...so i just never posted about it--

[Mistyx]

i really don't have enough braincells for this game

i'm gonna try to focus on homework for a bit

[Ranmilia]

[Hally]

also mist i thought you always thought it was sabie? when did you think it was mp?

...so i just never posted about it--

....

[Hally]

i feel like none of us actually want to play this game anymore. like what to do. picking between sabie and mist feels like a coinflip when they’re both hardly here

[Ranmilia]

yes. unfortunately. apologies to hally and others.

[Hally]

yes. unfortunately. apologies to hally and others.

its not your fault. you’ve been here doing stuff

its not anyone’s fault really. its just like... idk its kinda frustrating but it happens sometimes

[Hally]

i feel like the long phases maybe contributed. like very small size plus long phases means there’s not a lot of urgency so its kinda easy to forget this game exists

[Hally]

i hope im not alive in f3. i don’t know how to decide if its just gonna be dead

[Mistyx]

weh

[Hally]

weh indeed

[Ranmilia]

I mean if I'm wrong about what's going on with Sabie, she's more than welcome to come in and tell us. It's not too late to play some mafia in this mafia game.

(mist who is mafia)

[sabie12]

It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

[Ranmilia]

Who is mafia? Why did you not vote during the entire day phase?

[Hally]

It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

why were you viewing the thread at EoD then?

[Ranmilia]

[mention]Mistyx[/mention] I would like to reiterate that when I am dead tomorrow, you are not allowed to vote for Hally. Do not do it. Hally is town. You and Sabie cross vote and Hally makes the call.

(You are your own person and make your own choices. But don't choose to vote Hally.)

[Ranmilia]

(I was, in fact, entertaining significant Hally tinfoil throughout most of the day. I have now discarded it. Hally's play on the catchup read and EOD was sufficiently convincing that I believe they are town and not pulling a sketchy bus and pocket. The strength of this read has increased to Wholehearted rather than Meh Could Be But If Wolf They Deserve It I Guess.)

[Ranmilia]

(Mist vs Sabie I am significantly less convinced on. Currently leaning Sabie wolf. Sabie's ISO contains what I would characterize as only role talk and WIFOM talk and no solving player alignments. But Mist's ISO contains very little. It would be just like this game for some fluke to have happened for that EOD threadview. Good luck Hally. Good luck other town.)

(If it is Mist though she's just telegraphed the A-plan is to try and get Sabie to vote me, which is distressingly possible, but that will be my problem to deal with if I am somehow not dead.)

[Ranmilia]

This is a game I personally worked on localization for, in a small way, some years ago. The process of updating and bringing it to Steam took something like 9 or 12 years? It's been a while, I left the team a while back, not much of my personal work survives in the Steam version, and the original game is entirely the work of one person, who goes by Tonnor, or hiranyon, depending.

The other media I've posted about so far have been general recommendations.



Hellsinker, not so much. Probably most or all of you will not be interested in playing this for yourselves. It is a very niche, very weird and difficult to describe video game-ish art piece shaped thing.

As you may or may not be able to see, it is a scrolling psychedelic cyberfantasythemed (sometimes) shootemup. It is not, technically speaking, a "bullet hell" shooter (Tonnor insists!), but it's pretty close in the neighborhood. It's also a rhythm game, puzzle game, there's a card game at one point, some ARG elements in the manual, and there's a secret poetry collection.

More than anything, it exists in the conceptual space of "multilayered interface confusion->secrets discovery puzzle game," vaguely similar to titles like Baba is You, Fez, and Cultist Simulator, where figuring out how to play and exploring what you can do among its vast array of systems can be called the real meat of the game. First time players spend an average of 10-15 minutes staring at the psychedelic cyberinterface menus before figuring out how to even boot into an actual gameplay level.

Hellsinker is a game for people who enjoy that experience and layers upon layers of "what is even going on" and "what does any of this mean" slowly transforming to "oh... I wonder if I do this here..."

The actual execution of the shootemup part is quite easy (for the genre), once you understand your five buttons and 30+ UI elements. But don't play this game unless you enjoy complex shooters and... complex everything. I mean, once you understand the controls you can start finding the secrets in the actual levels, and the secret levels, and then the secret menu screens to access the real levels and... you get the idea.

Hit up Youtube and watch videos instead, if you're intrigued. The music is excellent, the visual experience is great, the atmosphere is very good (albeit impossible to capture), you won't get the poems in context but that's all right.

Oh, and of course, it's pretty gay. Nonbinary protagonist Minogame has excellent fashion sense, and strong homing lasers.



We've got life, death, gender, agender, theology, the nature of humanity, theological partical synthesis via mechanical karmic compression, five different conflicting apocalypses, trans cybermagical fairies rebelling against their creators in 7 minute fully psytrance-choreographed mindscape battles, all that good stuff. The queer themes are not often terribly upfront, but, well, that just makes them better, very little is upfront in Hellsinker. (I have some regrets here about the localization, being ~10 years old it is not as good as it could be, we didn't use singular they consistently, but all things considered I daresay it ain't bad.)

Anyway it is pretty cool and probably the most largescale In An Actual Official Thing I've been a part of. I guess it is more a glimpse into Stuff Ran Likes than anything else here, Mist was asking for more of that at some point and I thought hey let's show this off a little. Also trying to show a range of things and it's one of the earlier nonbinary reps I've got in the stable. None of this has anything to do with mafia, neither does any of the Good Queer Stuff I've been linking, but ehn, morale.

[sabie12]

So when I was actually available no one was talking then yesterday I had work all day and then was on a live stream d and d game all evening. There is actual proof of this online. My day didn't go as planned yesterday and I didn't have time to come in here and vote so I apologize for that. I'm fine with the last mafia just killing me off this night phase.

[sabie12]

It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

why were you viewing the thread at EoD then?

I had my computer on to do the d and d live stream which went way longer than expecting and I wasnt able to focus on trying to go back and forth between them. I felt like if I had just popped over and random voted that wouldn't have been helpful. I didn't even end up eating dinner til like 11 pm. My day just didn't go the way I wanted it to. If i were mafia I would have pushed a vote for someone to save myself a d that would have been so much easier. As town I feel more of an obligation to try to get it right and I just don't know the answer for sure. I would have felt worse if I had come in here and voted and then it ended up being a town vote.

[sabie12]

https://m.twitch.tv/papat0k/profile

If anyone would like to watch it. I just looked and Yikes wow that ended up being almost 6 hours haha

[Hally]

(Mist vs Sabie I am significantly less convinced on. Currently leaning Sabie wolf. Sabie's ISO contains what I would characterize as only role talk and WIFOM talk and no solving player alignments. But Mist's ISO contains very little. It would be just like this game for some fluke to have happened for that EOD threadview. Good luck Hally. Good luck other town.)

(If it is Mist though she's just telegraphed the A-plan is to try and get Sabie to vote me, which is distressingly possible, but that will be my problem to deal with if I am somehow not dead.)

in case you’re the one who dies, can you just like... write as many words as you can think about mist and sabie? any positives, negatives, concerns, reservations, etc? if im the one to make the call id like to have as much from you to look back on as possible. and i promise to heed your legacy as best i can

[Hally]

It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

why were you viewing the thread at EoD then?

I had my computer on to do the d and d live stream which went way longer than expecting and I wasnt able to focus on trying to go back and forth between them. I felt like if I had just popped over and random voted that wouldn't have been helpful. I didn't even end up eating dinner til like 11 pm. My day just didn't go the way I wanted it to. If i were mafia I would have pushed a vote for someone to save myself a d that would have been so much easier. As town I feel more of an obligation to try to get it right and I just don't know the answer for sure. I would have felt worse if I had come in here and voted and then it ended up being a town vote.

ok. i don’t think its in the spirit of the game for me to push this point further

[Ranmilia]

(Mist vs Sabie I am significantly less convinced on. Currently leaning Sabie wolf. Sabie's ISO contains what I would characterize as only role talk and WIFOM talk and no solving player alignments. But Mist's ISO contains very little. It would be just like this game for some fluke to have happened for that EOD threadview. Good luck Hally. Good luck other town.)

(If it is Mist though she's just telegraphed the A-plan is to try and get Sabie to vote me, which is distressingly possible, but that will be my problem to deal with if I am somehow not dead.)

in case you’re the one who dies, can you just like... write as many words as you can think about mist and sabie? any positives, negatives, concerns, reservations, etc? if im the one to make the call id like to have as much from you to look back on as possible. and i promise to heed your legacy as best i can

All right. These are probably my final hours so the gloves have to come off a little bit.

The big concern about both of these players is that... they're not playing. Both of them are just like... choosing not to post or read or participate. They both show up like once every two days to post "I dunno what's going on, nobody was here in the five minute period in 72 hours I was in the thread so I didn't say anything" and then disappear again.

One of them is mafia doing this, one of them is town doing this. The mafia one could be lying about their disconnection from the game, or telling the truth.

Do you want to kill sabie for this post:

I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?

I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.


I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.

Or do you want to kill Mist for this post:

Hey Mist, are you still around? What are your reads right now?

sabie is the only read that could be considered a wolfread i think

hyena is my top town, cayvie #2

That's what this game boils down to.

Is it worse to call cayvie #2 town outright, or to have an attitude of "I'm not townreading her but I think her thoughts are town and we shouldn't vote her because she's town"?

I wish it was easier to quote things from ISOs, clicking through to manually quote each post is a pain. Just. Open the ISOs for yourself, you can see them, they're one page each.

Sabie talks about role mechanics a lot. That's generally scummy. She brings up cayvie talking about the vengeful role and spends a lot of her posts talking about that.

i mean, my reason for voting hyena was that he didn’t have eevee in his top ten pokemon. so yea, i would say i don’t expect that to be taken very seriously

exactly: not actually bussing.

....okay, but why do we have to be teamed as opposed to like, not teamed

you don't have to be teamed. im just saying you're compatible.

you said we were the mafia team. what caused you to have that thought?

i feel like you're taking me in circles.

i saw you and hyena vote each other for what looked like silly-ish reasons. i thought, hmm this looks like it could be distancing. is there a reason for mafia to distance/bus in a flipless setting? yes, potentially, if they want to use the vengekill.

and here we are

So cayvie said this about bussing and now we know she was the vengeful one. I don't know if that means it happened for sure just figured that might be relevant

Like... how is this relevant to figuring out who is mafia? It's not relevant, it's all WIFOM at best, it's fluff, spending so much of her few posts on this is scummy. I was trying to coax out more content and feel bad for going "the things Sabie has concentrated on are not useful to town at all" if she is town, but well. :\ 50/50 she's mafia fluffing this to look like content.

And then after Monday morning she stopped posting relevant content entirely. Some of her posts looked okay before that, like I was saying earlier, she didn't explicitly townread cayvie, responded okay to my poking there, but... all that's still well within mafia range, it's just self defense.

Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.

If Sabie is town then this is true.

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Mist...

"i think the weirdest thing in-thread rn is sabie’s handling of tan’s IC claim vs tony’s"

"sabie is the only read that could be considered a wolfread i think

hyena is my top town, cayvie #2"

"I’m playing mario party

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

will check in later"

"weh"

" tbh my reasoning for pushing sabie doesn't really hold up but i haven't done an actual reevaluation yet"

I don't think I want to yeet Mist. After Mist, I'd probably pick Cayvie to be safe.

Ugh, I'm scared that there's at least one mafia between MP, Ran, and Hally.

Sabie just seems really confused to me, and while I'm hesitant to call it towny, I feel it in my gut that it is.

Tony, where are you?

So, here's a game. Pick three people that you think will contain at least one mafia. Mine is probably MP, Ran, and Hally.

ok like

this is really interesting to me

because i feel like this could almost clear sabie? not clear but i think it's a good look at least

- this one I'll quote in full

for what it's worth and i'm only posting this because y'all deserve an explanation, not because it'll make me feel better at all

i'm not posting much today because i'm overcommitted again and thinking about how little i'm doing is making me spiral more instead of motivating me, because my brain hates me or something like that

...interestingly enough, that's way more common in my wolf games, but i guess this is an exception to the rule

"full disclosure

i literally did not notice that cayvie was in the lead"

Flipflops back and forth on both sabie and mp7, claims to townread cayvie but not notice their #2 town was vote leader, naked unvote d1, didn't vote yesterday, didn't care about eod either day, directly claimed being in her scum meta...

This could be done as demotivated town or it could be done as scum. Depression zone is a place I'm very familiar with, personally (big sympathies and hugs to Mist) but it's ultimately NAI.

[Hally]

that’s

basically what i thought youd say

weh :V

[Hally]

ran if you had to pick rn, gth who is it? because like. i don’t even know if i have an answer