Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Hally]

It would be helpful if, in a sentence or three, each individual summarized the reasoning behind his or her Day 1 vote. If you have a link to a post that accomplishes this, that's fine too.

i voted trip because i didn’t feel good about eliminating any of the other options. i think the options when i placed my voted were tony, who was in the lead with five maybe, and 112 who had three. and i didn’t want to vote them and didn’t really know who else i wanted to kill so i just voted trip as frankly a cop out vote thinking that she wouldn’t actually go over

[Hally]

Michelle is the one player who could very easily be scum that my gut says is town.

I said earlier that I like her snark; she seems very sure of herself being town in a way that doesn't come off as scummy at all to me. She's confrontational to people who are scumreading her in a manner that really jives with me.

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[Vulgard]

Reading the poll right now. The TH wagon is very sketchy to me, meanwhile I townread every single TSP voter.
Hmm.

how is it sketchy? the th wagon is me/nook/tutuu/arete, who should all be town, plus tony and wilgy who are more uncertain. wilgy especially

but like, idk i feel like you’re making a bit of a big deal out of trip being eliminated? does fol just never kill low posters? like why is this so objectionable on D1? im just confused

I've just described why I think it's bad.

- Gives you nothing if it's town.
- It's also almost never mafia, because mafia won't just 2-post on day 1 specifically to avoid being misyeeted for this exact reason, even if they don't really want to play the game. People who 0-post as mafia are very specific players for whom it's sort of a meta tell, from my experience.
- Given these two, it gives you nothing 99% of the time and you're probably removing a town slot from the game.

Bad.

Someone even mentioned in the thread that TH liked being mafia and would probably be more active if she had a red rolecard. I think it went mostly ignored, though.

[Hally]

TSP was scummy to me, or at the very least, less towny than most other people in the game. Other people (who I townread) brought a few compelling arguments to the table. I didn't believe that TSP had any idea how to defend himself, which is not what I would expect from a townie placed in the position he was in.

That's three sentences or fewer, right?

has your read on tony progressed at all? i thought his EoD was pretty towny. do you disagree?

[tedxtr]

idk for me the game is on autopilot barring major changes like wilgy or epi start somehow becoming obvillas.

think we should always snipe there first and then we can move on to other people

[Vulgard]

TSP/Ted/Dunyagnosis/Wilgy/LC (??)
112 I don't know anymore.

Tony read - I agree that the one post everyone quoted from him around EoD was very towny. I don't find it clearing, and I think he has been really out of his depth in this game. It feels like he doesn't have the slightest idea what he wants to do in the thread whenever he is in the thread, and I get the feeling he's not exactly comfortable here.

[Hally]

Hally seems too agreeable tbh. What if they're scum?

i agree

no, but really, this isn’t how you read me. im generally not a confrontational player and strive to find agreement wherever i can. like, this is one of those things that people often say about me regardless of my alignment and it’s really just a personality thing

[Vulgard]

Ted feels weird to put here given the fact he's pushing two other people on my PoE list.
That's why I'm still reading him town.

[Vulgard]

Wilgy's EoD reads to me like "I will make sure TH dies. I will make sure I can't be yeeted over TH, because I posted more."
And potentially "I will save my partner TSP with my vote" with TSP mafia.
Like, if you wanted to kill a lowposter on day 1, you should've picked Wilgy, I think. But the past is the past.

[Hally]

Hally seems too agreeable tbh. What if they're scum?

What makes you say 'too'?

idk she's asked me a few questions and seems to accept my half-assed answers without much problem, not sure if it's a pattern with other posters but for all her posts i don't see her pushing peope very hard

just a random paranoid thought; gun-to-my-head she's still town

yea, i don’t have strong (or really any) sr’s this game that i could push. some games are like this for me, other games i have strong sr’s immediately and push them hard. really just depends on the game

[Hally]

@tutuu we need to do the MU hydra event together. we'll be One one two two.

LOL

[Epignosis]

Привет дураки

hey epi! thought you were retired from playing so good to see you

You have thought correctly. A retired carpenter can still mend a roof from time to time.

[Vulgard]

I like it.

[Hally]

poison may as well be an IC this game

No

but really, yes

Wanna bet?

you actually think poison is a wolf that strongly? have you ever seen her post like this as a wolf?

[Vulgard]

Привет дураки

hey epi! thought you were retired from playing so good to see you

You have thought correctly. A retired carpenter can still mend a roof from time to time.

Can you do me a favor and claim mafia?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is a game that is in sore need of MP’s cheerleading

This game was pretty fun and lighthearted for D0/most of D1, let’s keep that energy going!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi is here! For...dunya?

[Hally]

and then the three left are wilgy/dunya/ash. so that would have to be the team, but i feel like it’s not. but whatever, probably just kill wilgy and go from there

What prompts you to feel it is not?

im not sure. i seem to recall there was something that dissociated ash/dunya but i don’t remember what it was. i also have felt ash has been pretty towny? albeit maybe not out of his scum range. mostly just not really confident we can actually poe down a correct team rn given we have no scum flips and i don’t feel strongly that anyone is mafia

[Vulgard]

Dunya.
No read on my end so far. Not towny, not obviously scummy. Edgar Allan PoE.

[Hally]

Is it normal on this site to just kill the lowest posters first before considering anything else?
I'm not being slanky, I'm just asking if that's the meta, because I seem to be the only person who's like "killing lowposters is a waste of time and they are probably town anyway."

um, i wouldn’t say its normal? like we will kill high posters sometimes if they’re very scummy. but i don’t think this site has a meta of being against eliminating low posters as a policy

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

When Comcast gets its crap together.[/color][/b][/center]

We’ll be in rockers and nursing homes still waiting for the poll if that’s the case

[Arete]

hi Vul

did you ever explain why your posts are worded like you're writing a term paper

[tedxtr]

This is a game that is in sore need of MP’s cheerleading

This game was pretty fun and lighthearted for D0/most of D1, let’s keep that energy going!

idk i'm trying to find balance between memeing and solving

but this game i wanted to solve more and meme less

[Hally]

Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

i really would not classify my vote on trip as “gunning” and idk how anyone could come away with that interpretation. nook was gunning for her. i just voted her because i didn’t feel good about any other vote

What about your comments later that were like "murder the lurkers?" I know that's not exactly what you said, but I remember you expressing a sentiment like that.

i don’t remember that specific post but at least half of what i said after the elimination was set and probably even before that was some form of a joke

[tedxtr]

[mention]tutuu[/mention] did you rand wolf gurl, don't lie to me

[Epignosis]

Привет дураки

hey epi! thought you were retired from playing so good to see you

You have thought correctly. A retired carpenter can still mend a roof from time to time.

Can you do me a favor and claim mafia?

I could, but I don't know what you would get out of that.

[Hally]

Gives us literally nothing if it's town, and it's probably not mafia, because mafia would post more than 2 times just to avoid getting voted off according to this type of logic. Like Wilgo did!

well we’re probably killing wilgy next so

[Vulgard]

hi Vul

did you ever explain why your posts are worded like you're writing a term paper

You could say I'm trying out a way of playing the game which should yield better results than it has before?
Trying it offsite, so that there would be no biases, made the most sense to me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is it normal on this site to just kill the lowest posters first before considering anything else?
I'm not being slanky, I'm just asking if that's the meta, because I seem to be the only person who's like "killing lowposters is a waste of time and they are probably town anyway."

um, i wouldn’t say its normal? like we will kill high posters sometimes if they’re very scummy. but i don’t think this site has a meta of being against eliminating low posters as a policy

Actually this site very much has a meta against killing low posters, especially early, I normally have to fight tooth and nail to get any traction on them. Usually there’s very much the “they’ll get replaced or we’ll deal with it later attitude”...and about half the time they end up bitching later in the game about how it’s unsolvable and shrug their shoulders and kill a low poster anyways



It’s honestly a pretty big pet peeve kek

[Hally]

Meh, I've dropped that line of reasoning since.
Keep in mind I didn't know two things:

- how your vote placement fell into things (because I didn't have the end of day votecount at the time);
- whether your comments about the lurker were before or after end of day. It's not really clear when the day ends here.

I won't bother to suspect you for the vote, and we're probably TvTing here, but I think my general suspicion on you is going to last for the rest of the game. I'm not sure if your posts are written in good faith.

i honestly think that your suspicion on me stems from paranoia about my scum game more than anything i’ve actually done

[Vulgard]

Привет дураки

hey epi! thought you were retired from playing so good to see you

You have thought correctly. A retired carpenter can still mend a roof from time to time.

Can you do me a favor and claim mafia?

I could, but I don't know what you would get out of that.

Justification to vote you off later.

[tedxtr]

I mean, 75% town chance and they post nothing >rand

worth saving a potential town slot

i'd argue in this setting where everybody was town reading everyone it wasn't that big of a deal but wilgy should've gone over TH imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I already think that slot is town but

Epi should be readable in 2ish game days, and he’s a pretty good town player, so

Would like to leave him alone for 2 days at least

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean in a gamestate where I have nine TRs and seven of them are confident to high confidence...and Trip did that scummy looking thing...yeah I’m always gonna go for the two poster if they’re null, which they were

[tedxtr]

nanook, who are the active scum?

[Vulgard]

Meh, I've dropped that line of reasoning since.
Keep in mind I didn't know two things:

- how your vote placement fell into things (because I didn't have the end of day votecount at the time);
- whether your comments about the lurker were before or after end of day. It's not really clear when the day ends here.

I won't bother to suspect you for the vote, and we're probably TvTing here, but I think my general suspicion on you is going to last for the rest of the game. I'm not sure if your posts are written in good faith.

i honestly think that your suspicion on me stems from paranoia about my scum game more than anything i’ve actually done

I don't know where it stems from, it's just there.

For Arete and whoever's interested in their current line of inquiry.

Spoiler: show

Another reason why I changed my posting style is because I would like to actually make sense this game. Nobody ever understands my thought processes. I don't, either. I'm tired of being illogical and incapable of explaining reads or anything. It frustrates me, so I'm trying to be better at that.

That's my impression of my play / personality / whatever, anyway.

[Hally]

If I accept Michelle vs Poison as a TvT, here is where I stand.

Town:

Arete- Town. Soulread says so. Never kill this. The only nontown thing I could imagine them being is exactly the 3p, based on their low level of investment. You can keep that in mind if you want to.

Ash Lael - Very town in his pushes and his commentary about the day 1 wagons we had. I think his towniness really began to shine through especially as the day was heading to a close. I liked the push on NANOOK as well, it felt like he really believed in the read as opposed to fabricating it and being aggressive instead of genuine.

Hally - Most likely town and I'm just being paranoid / not liking some of their interactions. 400+ posts on day 1 is no joke. That said, if they don't die within the next two cycles, re-evaluate this.

Long Con - I think he is playing the game in a genuine way which indicates a lack of TMI. He could be mafia, I suppose. My read here is comparatively weaker when I put him next to the other people on this list. Which is why you should probably remove him from it later down the line, if he does not become townier than he already is.

Michelle - I think she has been steadily improving, and her argument with Poison comes across as a TvT argument to me, plain and simple.

NANOOK - Similar situation to Hally. Pretty much the same thing applies here as well.

Poison - Arguably the most obvious town in the game, for me anyway. Explained numerous times earlier.

tutuu - I don't think that someone who rands mafia for the first time in a very long time manages to fool this entire playerlist so consistently. I think it would really show that she's rusty. I think she's very comfortable in the thread and free-flowy. Which means she is just town.

I'm starting to get cold feet about tedxtr, which is why I'm not adding him to this list, but I still think he's town.

Everyone else is basically PoE for me and I want to kill them to varied extent.

see your approach to me in this^ post is the actual correct one. the best way to handle me early on when im this much of a presence is just to treat me like im lock town regardless of your actual read on me so that mafia will think im threadspewed v and just kill me n1/2 so you don’t have to worry about actually reading me. just let them resolve me for you. but now it doesn’t work because i said this and they could leave me alive just to keep the tinfoil on me alive. just saying for the future

[Vulgard]

I mean in a gamestate where I have nine TRs and seven of them are confident to high confidence...and Trip did that scummy looking thing...yeah I’m always gonna go for the two poster if they’re null, which they were

Show me a game where somebody posted below 5 times on day 1, was yeeted, and flipped mafia?
I'm not taunting you. I'm curious if that's actually happened in your games.

[Hally]

PoE

Wilgy / dunya / hally / TSP

think I'm somewhere around here, will keep switching up the formula

having me in a poe of four is actually insane

But do you think it's mafia AI?

i... genuinely don’t know. i have absolutely no clue how to read ted

[Vulgard]

If I accept Michelle vs Poison as a TvT, here is where I stand.

Town:

Arete- Town. Soulread says so. Never kill this. The only nontown thing I could imagine them being is exactly the 3p, based on their low level of investment. You can keep that in mind if you want to.

Ash Lael - Very town in his pushes and his commentary about the day 1 wagons we had. I think his towniness really began to shine through especially as the day was heading to a close. I liked the push on NANOOK as well, it felt like he really believed in the read as opposed to fabricating it and being aggressive instead of genuine.

Hally - Most likely town and I'm just being paranoid / not liking some of their interactions. 400+ posts on day 1 is no joke. That said, if they don't die within the next two cycles, re-evaluate this.

Long Con - I think he is playing the game in a genuine way which indicates a lack of TMI. He could be mafia, I suppose. My read here is comparatively weaker when I put him next to the other people on this list. Which is why you should probably remove him from it later down the line, if he does not become townier than he already is.

Michelle - I think she has been steadily improving, and her argument with Poison comes across as a TvT argument to me, plain and simple.

NANOOK - Similar situation to Hally. Pretty much the same thing applies here as well.

Poison - Arguably the most obvious town in the game, for me anyway. Explained numerous times earlier.

tutuu - I don't think that someone who rands mafia for the first time in a very long time manages to fool this entire playerlist so consistently. I think it would really show that she's rusty. I think she's very comfortable in the thread and free-flowy. Which means she is just town.

I'm starting to get cold feet about tedxtr, which is why I'm not adding him to this list, but I still think he's town.

Everyone else is basically PoE for me and I want to kill them to varied extent.

see your approach to me in this^ post is the actual correct one. the best way to handle me early on when im this much of a presence is just to treat me like im lock town regardless of your actual read on me so that mafia will think im threadspewed v and just kill me n1/2 so you don’t have to worry about actually reading me. just let them resolve me for you. but now it doesn’t work because i said this and they could leave me alive just to keep the tinfoil on me alive. just saying for the future

This is a novel concept to me. I'm more accustomed to everyone being scummy rather than everyone being towny.
Thanks for the explanation.

[tutuu]

@tutuu did you rand wolf gurl, don't lie to me

i am an innocent townie, i would never lie to u

[tedxtr]

@tutuu did you rand wolf gurl, don't lie to me

i am an innocent townie, i would never lie to u

[Hally]

Had some bad jujus when Hally was pushing me at random times as well

she should have a better grip on me than attacking me for "not reading actives"

prettay weird push, felt like I was being "handled" in a wolfy way

i'll quote the page the whole thing was on and you can give thoughts

i never pushed you ted. when i question someone over something, its not necessarily a push of like “i think this person is scum,” it’s “i saw something that could be concerning or i dont agree with/understand, let me question them to see if i can unpack this/understand them/see if my concern is warranted.” i will even question town reads the same way if i dont get something or want to understand them better. im always evaluating every single read i have all the time and that includes asking questions. it’s maybe fair to say i had some vague suspicion of you in that moment because our reads didn’t line up but i wouldn’t classify it as a push. when i actually am pushing someone, it looks way different

point is that I didn't feel like you were being genuine in your questioning and you weren't actually concerned for us "not mindmelding"

agree or disagree but I don't believe you should have that read, even if you're a villager

it's okay though, i'm ~probably not gunning for you, like I said. It's mostly trying to find a solid PoE that I feel good about.

alright, so then you’re not saying im scum for having that read? just that regardless of my alignment its bad? so do you suspect me or not?

[Hally]

that makes sense, I knew that you'd take that line of inquiry exclusively as villa that respects my villa game but judging by our games that we played, I was kind of lacking so I was wondering why you'd respect my town game here

idk i think your reads are generally quite good?

[tedxtr]

ohhhhhhhh we play turbos

i'm a moran

[Epignosis]

It would be helpful if, in a sentence or three, each individual summarized the reasoning behind his or her Day 1 vote. If you have a link to a post that accomplishes this, that's fine too.

For those who may have missed it.

[Hally]

Reading the poll right now. The TH wagon is very sketchy to me, meanwhile I townread every single TSP voter.
Hmm.

how is it sketchy? the th wagon is me/nook/tutuu/arete, who should all be town, plus tony and wilgy who are more uncertain. wilgy especially

but like, idk i feel like you’re making a bit of a big deal out of trip being eliminated? does fol just never kill low posters? like why is this so objectionable on D1? im just confused

I've just described why I think it's bad.

- Gives you nothing if it's town.
- It's also almost never mafia, because mafia won't just 2-post on day 1 specifically to avoid being misyeeted for this exact reason, even if they don't really want to play the game. People who 0-post as mafia are very specific players for whom it's sort of a meta tell, from my experience.
- Given these two, it gives you nothing 99% of the time and you're probably removing a town slot from the game.

Bad.

i don’t think low posting actually lessens someones chances to be scum just because “mafia would post more to not get eliminated.” trip just straight up wasn’t playing the game, which was true regardless of her alignment from my pov at the time. so to me her chances of flipping scum were exactly rand, maybe higher because nobody who was more active stood out to me as scummy

[tutuu]

It would be helpful if, in a sentence or three, each individual summarized the reasoning behind his or her Day 1 vote. If you have a link to a post that accomplishes this, that's fine too.

For those who may have missed it.

i begrudgingly sheeped my townreads. it was that or not vote anyone cuz i didnt wanna feel bad for misyeeting tony cuz he was around and pouted. if tony was afk i would have voted him. triple haven being afk made it easier for me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook, who are the active scum?

Do you think my POE is going to change just cause you keep asking me...?

[Hally]

like, the premise that someone wouldn’t two post as mafia because they don’t want to be eliminated assumes that the player in question is actually... playing the game and like attempting to make informed decisions about their play in said game. and that didn’t apply to trip. she was not playing

this is really getting more theoretical though