Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[112]

While we’re on the subject of unanswered questions, @112 can you please explain why you read me and Hally differently when we both snap townread you? I’m going to keep asking until I get an answer.

I don't even remember.

[112]

NEW READ:

ted town

[tedxtr]

I told you guys they'd town read me again idk what you were panicking for, stop pinging me please

[tedxtr]

oops

[112]

I told you guys they'd town read me again idk what you were panicking for, stop pinging me please

so you fell for one of my patented traps!

[112]

While we’re on the subject of unanswered questions, @112 can you please explain why you read me and Hally differently when we both snap townread you? I’m going to keep asking until I get an answer.

I don't even remember.

I think it had something to do with me reading Hally as strong town independently of their read on me whereas with you I was more uncertain in the first place.

[112]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ted lock town

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Ted lock town

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

[tedxtr]

that gif never gets old

i'll be back when the game gets spicy or something

[112]

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

[tedxtr]

112 I hope I made the good read on you and you're not fooling me

i'll need you to bring some heat with casing arete and going into reads like you did in the first posts of the game, you were villagery then

people are kind of dropping their town read on you

[Long Con]

One cannot drop that which one does not hold in one's hands.

[Poison]

Is it me or did the thread activity dropped a lot?

[Poison]

[mention]112[/mention] can you please talk about your current reads with some reasoning?

[Poison]

112 I hope I made the good read on you and you're not fooling me

i'll need you to bring some heat with casing arete and going into reads like you did in the first posts of the game, you were villagery then

people are kind of dropping their town read on you

People were town reading her mostly because she boldly called out the common TRs in a genuine tone. I don't think that's enough to get all the town creds she even received in the first place.

[Poison]

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

You voted Long Con, tedxtr [right after calling him lock town] (also, you mentioned a bait or something, would you like to expand?), arete.

Any reasons behind these votes?

[Hally]

Don’t yell at me Hally

why would i yell at you

Cause of my “TSP doesn’t fit neatly with anyone so he’s probably town” read kek

i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that thought process

I know you don’t lol

It was supposed to be a joke cause I wouldn’t clear you for it last game and I’m using it this game

It isn’t funny now lolol

oh

lol

[Hally]

it is time. lettuce kill lc

[VOTE: lc] aubergine

is it a follow up vote after ash's question? is LC a good PR hunter?

no its because i briefly had confidence that lc was scum but now that he’s posted more it’s gone away

[Hally]

wilgy is also an acceptable kill but atm i think lc is more likely to be a hit

I don't understand this rush behind yeeting the LHFs tbh, do you think Wilgy as a low poster is AI ?

i don’t know but i cant find a higher poster that i actually want to kill

[Poison]

wilgy is also an acceptable kill but atm i think lc is more likely to be a hit

I don't understand this rush behind yeeting the LHFs tbh, do you think Wilgy as a low poster is AI ?

i don’t know but i cant find a higher poster that i actually want to kill

I see. Do you think that the whole Hally-wilgy controversy would be effected in any way after your vote on him? Not necessarily good or bad, like how do you think people would take it as?

[Poison]

Although I'm yet to read what it was all about cause I clearly don't remember anything worth coming to that conclusion by myself, ofc I missed some pages in between.

[Hally]

there's a weird thing here though

ash disaligns me and wilgy, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/w but he picks up on wilgy/hally, something he wouldn't do if ash/wilgy w/v

so

?

you seem to basically be solving the game around pre-flipping wilgy rn. why are you doing that?

[Hally]

Feel like we have >rand chance to hit wolves if we look at people that are “solving on islands” or whatever you wanna call it

Arete, LC

Wilgy is probably just scum, he doesn’t fit that characterization but he’s scummy outside of that, I think

can you elaborate on these thoughts? what do you mean, solving on islands? why are arete/lc the people that fit that description and does anyone else? and can you go more in depth on wilgy?

[Hally]

The game would make a lot of sense to me if it’s some combo of Arete / LC / Wilgy

Like...a lot.

Do you think Arete has managed to pocket Vulgard?

Yup

go on

[112]

@112 can you please talk about your current reads with some reasoning?

Michelle could be flying under the radar- I said previously that I like her snark, but from the skimming I've done, it looks like a lot of what she's posting has been on the defensive; I find that townies tend to brush off accusations a lot more than wolves do and tend to focus on what they can contribute instead. I found her towny for her snarky defenses (which is, in the sense, brushing it off) but since then she's offered a lot more detail in defense of herself, seems sorta obsessive with people who are scum-reading her. My gut still leans town here for some reason, but she's definitely the person I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to whom I'd be least surprised to see flip wolf. Nothing she's really done has been a brilliant shining light of town.

Arete - lowposting but not to the extent of WIlgy/TH. Has given mostly short posts and a few of them pinged me tonally. Waffling on Vul, although was apparently right than his tone has shifted from previous games, which could have thrown off their read. Not sure here but firmly within the PoE.

ted - I get the feeling that he's almost outside the thread when he posts--mentioned going after islanders, but seems to be on an island himself to me. I've seen glimpses of enthusiasm in his posts that I think would be hard to replicate as scum. Doesn't feel like his wolf self from what I've seen of his wolf self from Ambidals (although I died D1 there and was only loosely following after that). The town lean I gave him was spur-of-the-moment after reading a push I liked from him.

Vulgard - I have some hesitation toward this slot still. Not playing a bad game if he's wolf but also not playing a spectacular one imo, which I feel is why a lot of people are giving him a locktown read. His tone is off to me and apparently starkly different from his meta. Seems very ambivalent in some ways, which I could interpret as though he's afraid to make a push on someone. Lean town right now but could easily flip wolf imo.

I'll share more in a bit.

[Hally]

I guess his read on them is a bit odd. Like he says they're not their normal town self, not their normal scum self, maybe 3p... but definitely not mafia? I'm not quite sure how that computes.

i do want to ask [mention]Vulgard[/mention] about this. vul, you said you’re absolutely certain arete isn’t mafia/doesn’t have tmi but at the same time they’re not like their town self. where does your confidence that arete absolutely isn’t mafia stem from?

[112]

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

You voted Long Con, tedxtr [right after calling him lock town] (also, you mentioned a bait or something, would you like to expand?), arete.

Any reasons behind these votes?

Long Con has made good posts since I voted for him. The vote I made earlier was a carry-over from D1.

I voted ted as a joke. And I didn't lock-clear him btw.

Arete is a highly PoE vote.

[Hally]

Michelle, earlier you said I looked like a scum too afraid to push for a mislynch.

Do you still think that?

Earlier was in the previous day isn't it? You ask like it was minutes ago?

I recently showed scum behaviour of yours and you instead talking to me you chose Hally to express worries about me. This is nagl.

You said to Hally that you said open somewhere that you SR me but i didn't read all the thread, because i am too busy for this, but at the moment of my reaction you did what i said.

A bad sight for Hally's power towning i am 99% we are witnessing in this game is that townies can't keep up with her, i certainly can't so big chunks of the thread remains unread.

@Ash Lael the cyan text is fmpov my answer at your question.
Idrc if you changed that after by fully SR me, at that moment you gave me the impression i shared.

No evasion, sorry to disappoint you,

OTOH, if you feel like i could know anyhting about your playstyle, i don't. I reacted at wolfy behaviour both times.
Is wolfy to beat around the bush and not being straight in your approach. You have a problem with me and want to solve it by talking to Hally. No matter how do you exlain it, is odd.

what is scummy about ash wanting to discuss his read on you with me? idgi

[112]

Part of me thinks Ash is wolfing, but the brain in me says he wouldn't be able to put together a game like this in his 5th ever were he wolfing. His thoughts seem highly insightful and hard to replicate in a wolf game. Has made wall posts, long reads lists and the process seems to check out to scrutiny.

[Poison]

@112 can you please talk about your current reads with some reasoning?

Michelle could be flying under the radar- I said previously that I like her snark, but from the skimming I've done, it looks like a lot of what she's posting has been on the defensive; I find that townies tend to brush off accusations a lot more than wolves do and tend to focus on what they can contribute instead. I found her towny for her snarky defenses (which is, in the sense, brushing it off) but since then she's offered a lot more detail in defense of herself, seems sorta obsessive with people who are scum-reading her. My gut still leans town here for some reason, but she's definitely the person I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to whom I'd be least surprised to see flip wolf. Nothing she's really done has been a brilliant shining light of town.

Arete - lowposting but not to the extent of WIlgy/TH. Has given mostly short posts and a few of them pinged me tonally. Waffling on Vul, although was apparently right than his tone has shifted from previous games, which could have thrown off their read. Not sure here but firmly within the PoE.

ted - I get the feeling that he's almost outside the thread when he posts--mentioned going after islanders, but seems to be on an island himself to me. I've seen glimpses of enthusiasm in his posts that I think would be hard to replicate as scum. Doesn't feel like his wolf self from what I've seen of his wolf self from Ambidals (although I died D1 there and was only loosely following after that). The town lean I gave him was spur-of-the-moment after reading a push I liked from him.

Vulgard - I have some hesitation toward this slot still. Not playing a bad game if he's wolf but also not playing a spectacular one imo, which I feel is why a lot of people are giving him a locktown read. His tone is off to me and apparently starkly different from his meta. Seems very ambivalent in some ways, which I could interpret as though he's afraid to make a push on someone. Lean town right now but could easily flip wolf imo.

I'll share more in a bit.

I see. Thanks. If you were to give a PoE of 3 and top 3 towns, who would they be?

[tedxtr]

Feel like we have >rand chance to hit wolves if we look at people that are “solving on islands” or whatever you wanna call it

Arete, LC

Wilgy is probably just scum, he doesn’t fit that characterization but he’s scummy outside of that, I think

can you elaborate on these thoughts? what do you mean, solving on islands? why are arete/lc the people that fit that description and does anyone else? and can you go more in depth on wilgy?

the most simple explanation is that they give thoughts without advancing too much and not interacting with what's going in on the thread at the moment they're in it.

basically completely disconnected players that let conflicts arise and don't weigh in AT ALL. Why is it bad? Because I think we keep getting tangled in T/T arguments.

Arete = only attempted to read Vulgard and didn't have other thoughts or moments where we can see she's trying to solve the game. She jumped on TSP as soon as the case on him arrived but didn't do anything else.

LC = engages in fluff, stays out of conflicts (Michelle / Poison, Ash / whoever, TSP / Ash)

Not pretty sure on LC but Arete doesn't really look like she's trying to solve the game and the Vulgard progression is kind of left open in order to keep poking at it but she keeps pushing the same details that she already should've solved from. Arete keeps asking Vulgard why he writes academically when he already answered and it doesn't read like she's trying to solve him based on it, just to keep conversation going.

(wilgy poast to be continued)

[112]

I'm mostly talking about my reads that could go either way right now as opposed to people I outright townread without an asterisk. I don't really have strong wolf reads this game--maf is playing well.

[Poison]

I guess his read on them is a bit odd. Like he says they're not their normal town self, not their normal scum self, maybe 3p... but definitely not mafia? I'm not quite sure how that computes.

i do want to ask @Vulgard about this. vul, you said you’re absolutely certain arete isn’t mafia/doesn’t have tmi but at the same time they’re not like their town self. where does your confidence that arete absolutely isn’t mafia stem from?

Talking about vul, didn't he kinda drop a little activity wise as well as content wise?

[mention]Arete[/mention] what do you think of vul's current state in the game?

[Hally]

wilgy is also an acceptable kill but atm i think lc is more likely to be a hit

I don't understand this rush behind yeeting the LHFs tbh, do you think Wilgy as a low poster is AI ?

i don’t know but i cant find a higher poster that i actually want to kill

I see. Do you think that the whole Hally-wilgy controversy would be effected in any way after your vote on him? Not necessarily good or bad, like how do you think people would take it as?

im not sure what you’re asking me. i don’t really care about the hally/wilgy controversy in terms of dictating what i do because im a villager. i don’t think its even much of a controversy

[tedxtr]

Arete is just trying to stall her progressions as much as possible from my point of view. Her dragging the Vulgard thing on is prettay wolfy, just call him wolf or town already.

If you don't have him as wolf or town, then interact with people that do and ask why.

She doesn't really seem like she's interested in figuring Vulgard at all.

[Poison]

Tbh, to be very honest, I'm against lynching LHFs two days in a row. Seems weird to me tbh. Idk who but someone towny enough must be having some sort of control.

[112]

@112 can you please talk about your current reads with some reasoning?

Michelle could be flying under the radar- I said previously that I like her snark, but from the skimming I've done, it looks like a lot of what she's posting has been on the defensive; I find that townies tend to brush off accusations a lot more than wolves do and tend to focus on what they can contribute instead. I found her towny for her snarky defenses (which is, in the sense, brushing it off) but since then she's offered a lot more detail in defense of herself, seems sorta obsessive with people who are scum-reading her. My gut still leans town here for some reason, but she's definitely the person I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to whom I'd be least surprised to see flip wolf. Nothing she's really done has been a brilliant shining light of town.

Arete - lowposting but not to the extent of WIlgy/TH. Has given mostly short posts and a few of them pinged me tonally. Waffling on Vul, although was apparently right than his tone has shifted from previous games, which could have thrown off their read. Not sure here but firmly within the PoE.

ted - I get the feeling that he's almost outside the thread when he posts--mentioned going after islanders, but seems to be on an island himself to me. I've seen glimpses of enthusiasm in his posts that I think would be hard to replicate as scum. Doesn't feel like his wolf self from what I've seen of his wolf self from Ambidals (although I died D1 there and was only loosely following after that). The town lean I gave him was spur-of-the-moment after reading a push I liked from him.

Vulgard - I have some hesitation toward this slot still. Not playing a bad game if he's wolf but also not playing a spectacular one imo, which I feel is why a lot of people are giving him a locktown read. His tone is off to me and apparently starkly different from his meta. Seems very ambivalent in some ways, which I could interpret as though he's afraid to make a push on someone. Lean town right now but could easily flip wolf imo.

I'll share more in a bit.

I see. Thanks. If you were to give a PoE of 3 and top 3 towns, who would they be?

It's hard to post a PoE of only 3 because I feel a few more people could fit into it.

But PoE:
Arete
Long Con
Wilgy

Town:
Hally
Nanook
You

[112]

Ted is looking like he could be in that towncircle too tbh

[Hally]

Part of me thinks Ash is wolfing, but the brain in me says he wouldn't be able to put together a game like this in his 5th ever were he wolfing. His thoughts seem highly insightful and hard to replicate in a wolf game. Has made wall posts, long reads lists and the process seems to check out to scrutiny.

ash has a very good wolf game. im not sure if it’s this good though. like he may be out of his wolf range even still. but he is a way better wolf than his experience would lead you to believe and should be handled as such

[Poison]

wilgy is also an acceptable kill but atm i think lc is more likely to be a hit

I don't understand this rush behind yeeting the LHFs tbh, do you think Wilgy as a low poster is AI ?

i don’t know but i cant find a higher poster that i actually want to kill

I see. Do you think that the whole Hally-wilgy controversy would be effected in any way after your vote on him? Not necessarily good or bad, like how do you think people would take it as?

im not sure what you’re asking me. i don’t really care about the hally/wilgy controversy in terms of dictating what i do because im a villager. i don’t think its even much of a controversy

Hmm... Slightly good vibes from this reply although it can easily be NAI.

I'm asking this question to check exactly how self conscious you are.

[112]

Part of me thinks Ash is wolfing, but the brain in me says he wouldn't be able to put together a game like this in his 5th ever were he wolfing. His thoughts seem highly insightful and hard to replicate in a wolf game. Has made wall posts, long reads lists and the process seems to check out to scrutiny.

ash has a very good wolf game. im not sure if it’s this good though. like he may be out of his wolf range even still. but he is a way better wolf than his experience would lead you to believe and should be handled as such

That's what I was worried about. He feels like a natural, so I don't want to underestimate them. He's not townlocked to me by any stretch.

[Hally]

Feel like we have >rand chance to hit wolves if we look at people that are “solving on islands” or whatever you wanna call it

Arete, LC

Wilgy is probably just scum, he doesn’t fit that characterization but he’s scummy outside of that, I think

can you elaborate on these thoughts? what do you mean, solving on islands? why are arete/lc the people that fit that description and does anyone else? and can you go more in depth on wilgy?

the most simple explanation is that they give thoughts without advancing too much and not interacting with what's going in on the thread at the moment they're in it.

basically completely disconnected players that let conflicts arise and don't weigh in AT ALL. Why is it bad? Because I think we keep getting tangled in T/T arguments.

Arete = only attempted to read Vulgard and didn't have other thoughts or moments where we can see she's trying to solve the game. She jumped on TSP as soon as the case on him arrived but didn't do anything else.

LC = engages in fluff, stays out of conflicts (Michelle / Poison, Ash / whoever, TSP / Ash)

Not pretty sure on LC but Arete doesn't really look like she's trying to solve the game and the Vulgard progression is kind of left open in order to keep poking at it but she keeps pushing the same details that she already should've solved from. Arete keeps asking Vulgard why he writes academically when he already answered and it doesn't read like she's trying to solve him based on it, just to keep conversation going.

(wilgy poast to be continued)

i will say that the only thing really holding me back from killing arete is vul’s read. they’ve been really pretty underwhelming and i do agree their focus has been really narrow. this isn’t what i know arete’s town game to be but im also going off their champs play which may not be an accurate comparison. and they also said they have school now so

[Poison]

Ted is looking like he could be in that towncircle too tbh

I would not trust him tbh. He is like the hardest to read even when I played so many games with him. Fools me everytime.

[Hally]

I'm mostly talking about my reads that could go either way right now as opposed to people I outright townread without an asterisk. I don't really have strong wolf reads this game--maf is playing well.

can you link me a recent town game on here? or just point me to it and ill go find it

[Poison]

Arete is just trying to stall her progressions as much as possible from my point of view. Her dragging the Vulgard thing on is prettay wolfy, just call him wolf or town already.

If you don't have him as wolf or town, then interact with people that do and ask why.

She doesn't really seem like she's interested in figuring Vulgard at all.

I feel like arete was mostly on Vulgard content wise, her other posts weren't much to give town creds either. Even the Vulgard reads were uh idk neutralish.

[tedxtr]

Tony and Michelle most obvious town 2020.

why is Tony obvious town

checking in briefly, will probably have to dip again

the number of people familiar with TSP's meta saying things like 'WHY ARE YOU KILLING HIM HE'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS' is making me kind of nervous

also I obviously don't want a rand

but killing a 2-poster seems kind of mrrr

but I kind of think I might do it anyway

wowee

I moved my vote

I'm killing your two-poster for you Nanook

how does this make you feel

Ok, so here's the deal

this is a very bad EoD especially if wilgy is wolf (or maybe TSP /shrug)

no way are you worried about TSP flipping town here ; you were questioning people why they had him villa an hour ago

you also said you weren't gonna be here for EoD

I find it very unlikely a villager would come back to move here. They had no reads on anybody saying TSP was town, I don't know how them voting a 2 poster over TSP makes sense in any world. I don't know the wagonomics, but immediately seeing this I thought it was a defence of either Wilgy who got bombed with votes and TSP wagon left the station and TH was the fighting wagon.

The comment to Nanook may give it away ; I read it as some type of self-awareness trying to be brushed off by making forced thoughts / jokes. Like what's that post doing? What's it's purpose?

[Hally]

Arete is just trying to stall her progressions as much as possible from my point of view. Her dragging the Vulgard thing on is prettay wolfy, just call him wolf or town already.

If you don't have him as wolf or town, then interact with people that do and ask why.

She doesn't really seem like she's interested in figuring Vulgard at all.

yea. and its even more problematic because like 90% of what arete has done has been focusing on vul and yet i feel like they’re read is basically the same as it was when they started. i would like to see arete branch out more and develop reads on others

[tedxtr]

Nanook's stance on TH was obvious - he wanted her to die, so she was probably looking to keep nanook's progression in check and assure he still has that opinion even after Arete voted.

[Hally]

im curious what vul thinks of teds points against arete because i do think they’re valid and also things i noticed but ive just kept mum about them because im trusting vul and arete to sort each other. but arete imo is pretty underwhelming