Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

#4501

only a sith and synthetic cognitions a priori deal in absolutes

#4502

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:46 pm I'm operating on the "better lucky than good" style. This is where I catch Long Con for bad reasons or no reason whatsoever and it infuriates him.
Impossible for several reasons.

You're aiming for "not lucky or good", or more likely, just "evil".
You know me better than this. You know I'm all but done with Mafia. I'm here as a warm body. I'm a living vote. My time is at a premium. My job is now 100% reading and writing on a screen. I refuse to spend much of my free time reading and writing on a screen. I do not enjoy Mafia now that it has become largely "ha ha you can't keep up therefore you must be bad." I do not wish to read 900+ posts per phase. I would rather record music and play games with my family.

A new person I could understand suspecting me for this. Not you. You know better.

That's not what I suspect you for, shame-enabler denied. My "grievances with your participation" are not that you're not keeping up, just a general lack of explained opinions. Come on, this'll make the game more interesting for you!

#4503

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pm Also the vote on LC when it was close probably unaligns them anyway.

Now, when you say "unaligns", are you also stating we can't be both town-aligned?

#4504

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:17 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:08 pm Also the vote on LC when it was close probably unaligns them anyway.
Now, when you say "unaligns", are you also stating we can't be both town-aligned?

No, just that you're not in a wolf team together.

#4505

I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.

#4506

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.

Im so confused

#4507

Ash I'm treating you as a wolf until you express a coherent thought

#4508

nanook just broke into the first page of players by post count and I'm here wondering [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] did the "most posted in thread" thing disappear?

#4509

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:59 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.
Im so confused

My reason for thinking LC was the best lynch was that basically any wolf team with three members in the PoE included him.

I no longer think any team with three members in the PoE is likely to exist. I’ve miscleared at least one player.

#4510

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:01 am nanook just broke into the first page of players by post count and I'm here wondering @JaggedJimmyJay did the "most posted in thread" thing disappear?

I also noticed this!

#4511

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:59 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.
Im so confused
My reason for thinking LC was the best lynch was that basically any wolf team with three members in the PoE included him.

I no longer think any team with three members in the PoE is likely to exist. I’ve miscleared at least one player.

Put me in the towncore and work your magical arrangements around that. I promise it will get better results. Even if you don't believe that, it could help me.

#4512

nanook got in 800 posts earlier than I'm going to and that's /if/ Hally doesn't catch up this is all unfair

#4513

What page are you looking at

Also Hally is definitely going to pass you

#4514

maybe hally will take a break

#4515

or won't 1000 post in every game

#4516

wolves nk hally so I can maintain a fleeting post count advantage

#4517

yes please kill me so i can not play this game anymore

#4518

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:10 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:59 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.
Im so confused
My reason for thinking LC was the best lynch was that basically any wolf team with three members in the PoE included him.

I no longer think any team with three members in the PoE is likely to exist. I’ve miscleared at least one player.
Put me in the towncore and work your magical arrangements around that. I promise it will get better results. Even if you don't believe that, it could help me.

Trouble is I have too many players in the towncore already.

Poison
Vulgard
Hally
Nook
112
Ted

There’s at least one wolf in that group.

#4519

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:10 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:59 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.
Im so confused
My reason for thinking LC was the best lynch was that basically any wolf team with three members in the PoE included him.

I no longer think any team with three members in the PoE is likely to exist. I’ve miscleared at least one player.
Put me in the towncore and work your magical arrangements around that. I promise it will get better results. Even if you don't believe that, it could help me.
Trouble is I have too many players in the towncore already.

Poison
Vulgard
Hally
Nook
112
Ted

There’s at least one wolf in that group.

why is 112 towncored

#4520

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:32 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:31 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:10 am
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:59 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 pm I think I did the right thing in switching off LC, despite Michelle’s flip. My case on him was just wrong.
Im so confused
My reason for thinking LC was the best lynch was that basically any wolf team with three members in the PoE included him.

I no longer think any team with three members in the PoE is likely to exist. I’ve miscleared at least one player.
Put me in the towncore and work your magical arrangements around that. I promise it will get better results. Even if you don't believe that, it could help me.
Trouble is I have too many players in the towncore already.

Poison
Vulgard
Hally
Nook
112
Ted

There’s at least one wolf in that group.
why is 112 towncored

Reasons that probably aren’t good enough anymore. I need to ISO them.

#4521

I told you to go for Wilgy, and I told you that I didn't feel Michelle, then you CFD Michelle and she (unsurprisingly) flips town.
That makes 2/2 players I told you not to yeet who ended up flipping town.
Please stop doing that.

#4522

I swapped from TSP to Wilgy because I had some doubts about TSP which I didn't have about Wilgy, if that was clear enough. Also, this marks the second time Wilgy popped in exclusively for EoD, to vote somewhere and then dip.

#4523

And once more, we have a Wilgy wagon while approaching EoD which just straight up disappears at EoD. I don't think that's a coincidence.
This is exactly what I was talking about before. Everyone thinks he's mafia, nobody will vote him for some reason. And you're still not voting him.

#4524

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:15 am And you're still not voting him.

to be fair

we are currently in the night phase

#4525

Why are you so afraid of voting Wilgy?
I know it's the night phase. Funni joke :>

#4526

#4527

also lol @ the me accusations which are mostly baseless

villagery pop out

#4528

Wilgy is not TH. TH posted twice and never did anything again. Wilgy continuously pops in just for EoD to vote and then dip. When he is in thread, his interactions with others are minimalistic to the point of being scummy. He pretends he is doing something by voting at EoD, but he isn't actually solving.

What's stopping you?

#4529

I need to retire

#4530

Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:18 pm my biggest Tinfoil Suspect TM right now is Ted

when he was pushing me earlier, he made some kind of ??? comments, and I asked him about those comments when I was reading up, and he never answered

and then later, when he was in the thread and posting, I complained that he hadn't answered my questions, and he still didn't answer them, or acknowledge my post in any way (even to say 'what questions, I didn't see any questions')

and I think a villager would have at the very least acknowledged the existence of my post

i have acknowledged them, I just didn't have anything to respond to you

a lot of what you were thinking is wolfy on my part, I've already established that I'm not 100% sure because of order of events.

so we were at an impasse.

#4531

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:20 pm like particularly if michelle isn’t a hit.

Michelle was poasting wolfy when I was in thread and you knew it as well.

sucks it wasn't a hit but i don't see how it makes me scum

#4532

This marks the second time you guys go against my wishes when I'm asleep and unable to influence the events.
It's starting to genuinely annoy me, especially since you didn't even have a good reason.

#4533

Whoa now, let’s cool it on the “going against my wishes” thing

Mafia is a collaborative game, I deeply empathize with your frustration, but that kind of attitude doesn’t help anyone in a solve the game or a have fun sense.

Just chill a bit

#4534

That said having to deal with last minute scrambles is not ideal and we should probably try not to do them if we can avoid it

#4535

I'm pretty chill, sorry if I came across as "not chill."
It's just a bit annoying. I'm trying to be collaborative here but everyone just did their own thing at EoD anyway, and once again the wagons ended up in a state where nobody liked them. Just like at EoD 1. This is why I wanted a preplanned vote instead of EoD chaos.

#4536

Yeh I mean the “go against my wishes” thing is uh

A very stern father in an English coming of age movie kinda vibe

But yeah I hear ya about EOD I don’t really like scrambles much either, especially in this particular game

#4537

Yeah, probably sounded way more formal than it needed to be.
It's just... unnecessary to do things like this. Just kill Wilgy already, please. And stop changing your mind last second, because this marks the second time a CFD to a town happened for no reason.

#4538

If there's one good thing about the Michelle yeet is that it might stop people from doing this again, maybe. I hope.

#4539

It probably won’t

#4540

Epi =rand

112 slightly >rand v, maybe. If she finessed me, that's fine. I don't think this is how a wolf approaches the game. She has extended her reads so much within the span of a few posts that I think it's just a villager. I don't think a wolf ever takes that approach, unless they're very confident in their wolf game, and I could be wrong but 112 doesn't strike me as herself having confidence in her wolf game. It's funny because I think if another player was poasting like she was, I probably wouldn't think much of it. I'll keep the read for now and re-assess later in the game if I'm still alive (will prob be)

Poison most likely still lock town.

Hally town, if she ends in YeLo re-evaluate then.

Nanook...I actually don't think anything of him, negl. I assume he'll be pushed as consensus town but don't really have a thought of my own there. I'll maybe skim his ISO at some point.

Dr Wilgy should've been the town KP target so if our poisoner targeted anybody else then it's prettay sad. Prob still wolf but I just hate the idea of wagonning a lurker and wasting 48 hours which is why I'm not finding it appealing to call for his demise and if we have town KP, they should deal with him.

#4541

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:26 am Yeah, probably sounded way more formal than it needed to be.
It's just... unnecessary to do things like this. Just kill Wilgy already, please. And stop changing your mind last second, because this marks the second time a CFD to a town happened for no reason.

town kp should deal with a no shower, not wasting 48 hours in a phase wagonning him and doing ~nothing

#4542

Ted, Wilgy surviving past n1 is a pretty clear indicator that we don't have town KP in this game.
We don't have to do nothing while wagoning Wilgy, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

#4543

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:30 am Ted, Wilgy surviving past n1 is a pretty clear indicator that we don't have town KP in this game.
We don't have to do nothing while wagoning Wilgy, I'm not sure where you got that idea.

there'll be 2kp tonight

i hope that the poisoner is villager aligned and not wolf aligned

#4544

Unless we have an even night vig / poisoner, in which case, the problem SHOULD solve itself?
I don't think TSP is necessarily unalligned with Wilgy, by the way. I also found Epi's posts quite underwhelming.

#4545

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:32 am I also found Epi's posts quite underwhelming.

yeah but are they wolfy though?

he's pretty close to rand imo, now that I think about it

#4546

Good question.
I'll have to read both dunya and Epi again.

#4547

So I just went and read 112's ISO and I think I definitely townread this slot too cheaply. I think this is a case where good initial impressions and other players drawing my attention have allowed her to kind of coast easily along without me giving her proper scrutiny.

It's a very underwhelming ISO. Lots of one line "X is town, y is scum" type posts. I encourage you all to take a look yourselves.

So let's start with the first post that caught my attention.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:15 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:07 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:06 pm so i also think poison chan is wolfing but have her as not w/w with vulgard
why are they wolfing?
Posts like this one:

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:40 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:59 am I dislike tutuu claiming mafia and then cop as a meme, but since it's apparently something she does as town all the time, it shouldn't be a factor in my read.
Independently from that, I disliked her response to my slight pressure, because it felt very dismissive. Like she was internally self-conscious and it slipped through in her response. While it wasn't openly hostile, it had the underlying tone of "leave me alone this instant."

I also dislike the fact she appears to be fluffposting a lot. Nanook is doing the same thing, but his fluff is sprinkled with interactions and reads, and feels much less rigid overall. The impression I get from tutuu is that she is trying a bit too hard to fit into the thread, which shines through specifically in her interactions with Poison. She has been focusing on those for quite a while, and they are hardly related to the game we're playing, which leads me to believe she wants to enter the game without garnering suspicion by doing it "through a townie" instead of on her own merits.

I'm not certain if others understand my thought process on tutuu, but this is where I currently stand.

I would talk more about Hally, but I am waiting for them to post more. I obviously disliked them claiming mafia, and I considered their earlier read on Michelle rather forced, including the progression into reading Michelle town. It felt rigid and somewhat performative, like someone trying to be townread because they are trying to solve another player right away. The "solve" did not feel very natural to me.
Okagyyyy now I get it. I am getting curious about vulgard is because I reason out people in a similar manner? Hmmm....... Not that scum wouldn't be doing this but I think I understand where he is coming from in general. I think I'll like to slight townread vulgard atm.
There's very little thought but she ends up with a townread on Vulgard. The post is almost cut from a mold; -bring up different points, -show ambivalence, -end with a read based on prior justification... but there's just nothing there. 'I think I understand where he's coming from' reads as just an attempt to build buddyship rather than actually reading into his mindset. I don't like her tone, either- some of her posts seem exaggerated, and although it's hard to distinguish personality from actual slips, I get a bad feeling from a lot of what she writes.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:07 pm and why can’t they be w/w?
There were a couple of interactions I've come across in my catch-up that made me think they're not teamed. Vulgard had one post talking about Poison in a manner I didn't think could come from a teammate.

This is one of the most substantial posts 112 has made all game, near the start when there was less information to draw from. At the time, me and Hally locked it town. Now, looking at again I'm pretty "meh".

On that note, 112 townread Hally and scumread me for our near identical reactions to this. After being asked why the difference a bunch of times by Hally and then me, when we finally got an answer it was "I don't remember."

It gives me an impression that the reads she is making are just surface level without any real deeper thought or consistency. Her progressions back up that impression. Take for example 112's take on Tony:

112 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:11 pm I could get on board with a TSP vote.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:07 pm honestly the scum are doing super well unless they're obvious like dunya/tony/th/ted/wilgy

We see an early view that Tony is scummy. Which abruptly transitions to:

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:16 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:21 pm Meh if it happens then I believe you guys will have votes anyway

[VOTE: TSP ] aubergine
'i'mma just drop this vote here all innocuously, nobody's going to catch on that i'm vying for a mislynch.'

Tony, you are a martyr.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:16 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:12 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:11 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:09 pm ted, ash, long con team actually

book it

accepting high fives
And you're voting wilgy because...?
It was to lure you into this trap.

Only scum would go '...?'

You've been got.
i dont understand but I accept the validity of this because it suits my purposes
tony, we arm-in-arm

not gonna let you die here pal

there's too much living left for you to do

get angry imo. tell the thread how bad they are for voting you. they gotta see the emotion else they not going to budge

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:22 pm Tony and Michelle most obvious town 2020.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:53 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:49 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:22 pm Tony and Michelle most obvious town 2020.
why is Tony obvious town
he's posting like his town self and my gut says town

Tony becomes a strong, confident townread. But then:

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:22 pm Tony and Epi both having their votes on me doesn't sit right.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:36 pm POE:
Arete
DrWilgy
Epignosis (replaced dunya)
Long Con
Michelle
TonyStarkPrime

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:40 pm 112 how are you feeling about tonay
He's made a lot of posts but hasn't cleared himself to me. I thought he was towny last phase but in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sense don't like him too much. The incessant talk about his homework is starting to feel scummy to me for some reason.

Boom, Tony becomes scummy again.

I'm not going to begrudge anyone for changing their minds but it's a pretty wild sort of change. "I thought he was towny last phase" seems like a bit of an understatement considering the "Tony is a martyr" stuff. It seems to me like a strong view like that wouldn't be so easily or casually discarded if it was genuine.

Same story with Michelle. Goes from locktown never rescind to voting Michelle to saying Michelle town again, all without any real substantial explanation of why her perspective is changing.

Like if I'm looking at all of this with a charitable eye, sure, I could see it being town. Maybe there's a bunch of thought going on that 112 is just not putting in the thread. But given that I'm looking for a misclear, yeah, this is a very plausible misclear. 112 PoE.

*cue Nanook laughing at me for spending all these words to get to where he already was*

#4548

No laughter, just a smug “I told you so”

#4549

I kinda hope that it's just 112 because I feel a bit horrified at the idea trying to find a wolf in Vulgard/Poison/Hally/Nanook/Ted.

#4550

It isn’t that hard to

We should probably be trying to cut down a bit on volume at this point (obviously I’m as guilty or more than anyone besides Hal “champs finale blue balled me cause I rolled scum and got red checked so now I’m using all that pent up energy to post 500 times a day” ly), I think the game is probably becoming pretty hard to follow for some people, and it’s already hard to sift through for anyone. I’ll try to cut back on the volume of memes and jokes, if people like ash/Hally/vulgard etc. could try to...don’t change your style obviously, but maybe try to condense a bit or summarize a bit more, I think that might be helpful for thread health and to keep people from burning out of this game by EOD3

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