Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Hally]

Meta + lack of TMI when approaching Tony.

Wolves don't have that progression on a partner. Certainly not 112 either.

they've been villagery outside of that as well.

@Hally why'd you vote 112?

felt like it

[tedxtr]

Meta + lack of TMI when approaching Tony.

Wolves don't have that progression on a partner. Certainly not 112 either.

they've been villagery outside of that as well.

@Hally why'd you vote 112?

felt like it

lol

[Poison]

if you're gonna have wolf reads based on "they haven't been villager-y" in a game where 75% of the time people are villagers and wolves play like wolves and have agendas then your read ~probably is wrong.

if you are gonna read someone only based on their meta even after michelle flip ~ you can be wrong as well.

[tedxtr]

if you're gonna have wolf reads based on "they haven't been villager-y" in a game where 75% of the time people are villagers and wolves play like wolves and have agendas then your read ~probably is wrong.

if you are gonna read someone only based on their meta even after michelle flip ~ you can be wrong as well.

I had her as villager before she even started solving...based on meta

it was a mistake that I switched but I am not gonna sob. she was posting wolfy. the switch wasn't based on meta.

[tedxtr]

+ I wasn't there at EoD, when I could've changed my mind.

[tedxtr]

If the circumstances of the game would've been different, then I wouldn't have thought about Michelle, but she was posting very wolf-indicative stuff and so I singled her out.

which is okay, given that the wolf team are likely people that we had no "access" to until TSP got poisoned.

[Hally]

skimmed tonys iso

the correct poe is 112/lc/dunyanosis/maybe wilgy but idk it’s trickier

i don’t think arete, nook, ted or poison are aligned with tony off his iso

112 and lc look worst imo. there’s no reason they can’t be mafia with tony

[Hally]

tony’s treatment of 112 is pretty awful. he keeps saying shes scummy and saying he maybe could vote there but always finds reasons to push on someone else or vote someone else besides 112

for lc he just town leans him for no reason but it’s the kind of town lean he can easily walk back and turn into a bus if he needs to

this is probably just the team. wilgy and dunyanosis are, imo, not as good fits with tony

[Hally]

it’s pretty clear from tony’s iso that he has tmi nook is a villager. just look at how he talks about nook.

same with arete. tony was treating arete/vul like it was a v/v dynamic

and with poison he basically had no read on her and then she like asked him what his read on her was and he was like “idk should i have a read?” he wasn’t thinking about her like a teammate or he would have had an answer

for ash it’s just repeated jabs trying to undermine ash’s credibility and his pushes. he clearly wants to take ash down a few pegs because ash is pushing him correctly, but he still talks as though he knows ash is a villager

and with ted you can tell tony could read ted town because he says ted is different from his scum game but he walks it back and is like “i don’t wanna read tr for that.” if he’s teamed with ted he just tr’s him but he doesn’t want ted to be clear

[Hally]

ted if you have doubts on nook just like crtl+f nook in tony’s iso. it’s blatant tmi imo

[Hally]

also i think it should be pretty clear based on how i treated tony and how he treated me that we’re not teammates. my progression on him sucks but it sucks in a way that should make it clear i had no tmi of tony’s alignment. ymmv and im not spending this day defending myself, but i do think it’s pretty clear im a villager here

[tedxtr]

how is 112's progression on Tony TMI-y?

[112]

112, who is mafia?

You've accused me but you haven't voted for me.

LC and Wilgy?

Actually, drop the question mark and let's break some legs.

[Long Con]

If you're town, quit your obsession with me. It's not me.

[112]

If you're town, quit your obsession with me. It's not me.

Ok. I believe you.

Ted?

[112]

Ted's right that I'm town, but when everyone seems to be turning on me I'm not sure I like that he keeps a strong townread on me. Feels TMIish.

[tedxtr]

I'm basically lack claire after my Day 1 with Tony and how I ended up on him.

[Long Con]

Okay then, I'm locked clear because of my vote on Tony at the end of day one. I put it to a place where one person could decide that chopping a low poster was a crappy idea, switch over, and he's done. There were enough people online at the time to see it and someone could have switched.

[112]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Hally]

how is 112's progression on Tony TMI-y?

i don’t know ted, i don’t see why it’s not but if you disagree it’s fine

[tedxtr]

can you go over your D1 thoughts of Tony and why it's so scummy that's villagery for you

mindset mapping and everything at the time you made the poasts please

[Hally]

no sorry, i’m not doing that. i think it’s a waste of time because i don’t think you’ll believe it anyway and i don’t care to defend myself more

[tedxtr]

alright

[Hally]

it’s so obvious im a villager ted if you actually know me and how i play but i really can’t convince you if you don’t see it. but like, my activity is too high for my wolf game. the way im just flailing around having no idea what im doing is never from my wolf game. my constant flip flopping and lack of confidence in my reads is never from my wolf game. my wolf game is cleaner. it makes more sense and has an agenda to it. there is no agenda to things i’ve done this game. also the way im like “i don’t care about this game” but then keep posting anyway and clearly do care is like... always town!me because i cant help but care even as i try to convince myself i don’t. but like, if this stuff isn’t self evident to you i can’t really sell you on it. you either see it or you don’t, and i certainly haven’t made it easy because this is probably one of my worst town games ever broadly speaking

[Long Con]

it’s so obvious im a villager ted if you actually know me and how i play but i really can’t convince you if you don’t see it. but like, my activity is too high for my wolf game. the way im just flailing around having no idea what im doing is never from my wolf game. my constant flip flopping and lack of confidence in my reads is never from my wolf game. my wolf game is cleaner. it makes more sense and has an agenda to it. there is no agenda to things i’ve done this game. also the way im like “i don’t care about this game” but then keep posting anyway and clearly do care is like... always town!me because i cant help but care even as i try to convince myself i don’t. but like, if this stuff isn’t self evident to you i can’t really sell you on it. you either see it or you don’t, and i certainly haven’t made it easy because this is probably one of my worst town games ever broadly speaking

Hey, your worst town game is probably better than my best one.

[112]

it’s so obvious im a villager ted if you actually know me and how i play but i really can’t convince you if you don’t see it. but like, my activity is too high for my wolf game. the way im just flailing around having no idea what im doing is never from my wolf game. my constant flip flopping and lack of confidence in my reads is never from my wolf game. my wolf game is cleaner. it makes more sense and has an agenda to it. there is no agenda to things i’ve done this game. also the way im like “i don’t care about this game” but then keep posting anyway and clearly do care is like... always town!me because i cant help but care even as i try to convince myself i don’t. but like, if this stuff isn’t self evident to you i can’t really sell you on it. you either see it or you don’t, and i certainly haven’t made it easy because this is probably one of my worst town games ever broadly speaking

how does one yeet this?

[tedxtr]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

[112]

There's really no reason I couldn't be wolf here tbh.

I'm not below replicating anything I've done here as scum.

But I'm town.

[Hally]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

[112]

Probably the thing that goes in my favour is that I've been very low energy in mafia lately and likely wouldn't have even 217 posts if I were wolfing. It's easier for me to town than wolf right now. I'd probably be at 100-and-some-odd posts if I were scum here.

I'd also seem a bit more tonally stilted prolly

[112]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

just vote wilgy with me for now imo

[Hally]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

just vote wilgy with me for now imo

why?

[tedxtr]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

then vote arete with me /shrug

[Hally]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

then vote arete with me /shrug

no

[tedxtr]

Probably the thing that goes in my favour is that I've been very low energy in mafia lately and likely wouldn't have even 217 posts if I were wolfing. It's easier for me to town than wolf right now. I'd probably be at 100-and-some-odd posts if I were scum here.

I'd also seem a bit more tonally stilted prolly

it's not even about that

from a small sample size I doubt you'd ever approach this reads strategy

OR anybody would try it, for that matter. I mean, I guess they could try it, but it's just very hard to actually pull off in a convincing way and most wolves would just shut it down flat on its start.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Arete ] aubergine

[112]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

just vote wilgy with me for now imo

why?

I'm town and if you're town you know you're town and that your yeet is bad.

Wilgy is hard PoEd right now and his ISO is lackluster.

This reads as w/w:

i really hate saying stuff like this but i feel i have to put my foot down and say that i absolutely refuse to allow a nook wagon to happen. @DrWilgy @Long Con you should move. nook is town

Kay

you're not helpful

Want me to vote 112?

He's made bizarre pushes, e.g against TH:

didn’t mac say wilgy is a very good scum player and wouldn’t slank so much as scum? because this is hard core slanking

Lol I'm the slankiest

trip has you beat but im pretty sure she’s straight up not playing anymore

Hmm... This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

Let's yeet Trip!

and later recants and says:

BTW there's no reason why my "Let's yeet trip" should've actually took off amd taken the lead.

Id be bamboozled if TSP wasn't saved there.

which also reads as TMI

And he repeatedly, towards the end of his ISO, asks for Tony to be yeeted while barely being involved in the game. That's too good of a read to come from someone with like 30 posts.

[112]

Wilgy case rock solid.

[Hally]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

just vote wilgy with me for now imo

why?

I'm town and if you're town you know you're town and that your yeet is bad.

Wilgy is hard PoEd right now and his ISO is lackluster.

This reads as w/w:

i really hate saying stuff like this but i feel i have to put my foot down and say that i absolutely refuse to allow a nook wagon to happen. @DrWilgy @Long Con you should move. nook is town

Kay

you're not helpful

Want me to vote 112?

He's made bizarre pushes, e.g against TH:

didn’t mac say wilgy is a very good scum player and wouldn’t slank so much as scum? because this is hard core slanking

Lol I'm the slankiest

trip has you beat but im pretty sure she’s straight up not playing anymore

Hmm... This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

Let's yeet Trip!

and later recants and says:

BTW there's no reason why my "Let's yeet trip" should've actually took off amd taken the lead.

Id be bamboozled if TSP wasn't saved there.

which also reads as TMI

And he repeatedly, towards the end of his ISO, asks for Tony to be yeeted while barely being involved in the game. That's too good of a read to come from someone with like 30 posts.

i... can maybe see it idk

[tedxtr]

I guess I can see Wilgy if Arete isn't it

[tedxtr]

not sure why I'm really saying that, they could still be w/w

[Hally]

i hate changing my vote because it’s like one more thing i could end up being wrong about and idk if i can handle it lol

but sure

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[112]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

i get it, i really do. but i don’t really have the motivation to hunt more than i have. this game is just not my game

just vote wilgy with me for now imo

why?

I'm town and if you're town you know you're town and that your yeet is bad.

Wilgy is hard PoEd right now and his ISO is lackluster.

This reads as w/w:

i really hate saying stuff like this but i feel i have to put my foot down and say that i absolutely refuse to allow a nook wagon to happen. @DrWilgy @Long Con you should move. nook is town

Kay

you're not helpful

Want me to vote 112?

He's made bizarre pushes, e.g against TH:

didn’t mac say wilgy is a very good scum player and wouldn’t slank so much as scum? because this is hard core slanking

Lol I'm the slankiest

trip has you beat but im pretty sure she’s straight up not playing anymore

Hmm... This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

Let's yeet Trip!

and later recants and says:

BTW there's no reason why my "Let's yeet trip" should've actually took off amd taken the lead.

Id be bamboozled if TSP wasn't saved there.

which also reads as TMI

And he repeatedly, towards the end of his ISO, asks for Tony to be yeeted while barely being involved in the game. That's too good of a read to come from someone with like 30 posts.

i... can maybe see it idk

you need to squint and then it's crystal clear

[Hally]

not sure why I'm really saying that, they could still be w/w

im pretty sure tony at one point gave a team guess that was wilgy/arete/+1. if that’s just like... both his teammates that would be like.... kinda weird lol

[Hally]

i don’t think 112/lc is actually w/w. just not feeling like that’s it

[112]

I think Tony and WIlgy were trying to distance.

[tedxtr]

sure

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

[Long Con]

I'm willing to have my mind changed but you do so by hunting a scum more often than defending yourself, probably.

Idk if it's reasonable to think 112 is town here but fmpov their performance here was more than stellar and filled with plenty of gambits, if they're a wolf

I wanna vote Arete but everybody seems to be against that.

I'm not against it. I don't think that I, for instance, would be given anything close to a free ride through a game just because someone who knows me says they are really sure I'm town. Why is Arete on this shining pedestal for it? I don't know Vulgard, is he known for absolute infallibility?

That said, 112's recent case on Wilgy was not bad.

[112]

I really don't know if Tony would call a random Towny unhelpful. It seems a bit mean if they're not teamed.

[Hally]

at first i read that as you saying he wasn’t teamed with wilgy because it was mean and was about to disagree

but yea i feel like teammates are often harsher with each other than they otherwise would be