Grasslands [Game Thread]

[MartinGG99]

Can anyone who's suspicious of tutuu lay out why? Are there reasons that make tutuu likely mafia or is it just PoE?

This is from my point of view/perspective:

1. Its MOSTLY PoE, however I have had previous concerns as said here for D3:

I also didn't like the sheepy-attitude of Tutuu as of late. It kinda goes along with the "hey I'm flexible with you" sort of scum strategy in my opinion. Especially her day 1 reads list was all "hey I tr all these people, I find carotenoid scummy, and for my 2 other scum reads I just don't know but someone has to be scum". I mean like, its kinda of prolonging your reads list until you get a sense of where the thread is going and then posture your reads for that. I can understand her reasons for sheeping if she was honestly wrong about Long Con, but I just don't feel its plausible within the current game-state that she's town.

2. And while I didn't really make a convincing argument for it earlier on D2, I did honestly feel like Tutuu's handling of her reads of Alison felt weird or just bad. She had a shift in saying Alison's town to having her on the 2nd spot of her independent scum-read list without (if you just ISO her alone) any visible reason for that.

I didn't hang onto it much longer though because it seemed like nobody was agreeing with me and so I thought I might've been wrong.

I could probably elaborate more on this / create a case, but I don't really have the time to focus on it today. I definitely can tomorrow, about 4 hours prior to EoD if you want me to make a case that's consolidated to a single post rather than just tidbits spread out everywhere.

[tutuu]

Okay I would like to partner with SPF

In response to this post from tutuu. Does Long Con "partner" with his actual partner as a joke? Maybe. LC's a lover of wifom. I doubt SPF is bad but I'll keep an eye on these two.
Does LC's partner make that post and ask LC to pick a partner? Maybe. Idk, no one in the world has seen what tutuu looks like when she's bad.

he said he wanted to partner with spf because she had the close-ranged sword-wielding mech and he had the long-ranged artillery mech so they were a nice combo when u think about it

[staypositivefriend]

Long Con ISO:

Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

This was in response to the following tutuu post:

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Groovy?

wait u rly dont know groovy? ur between gen X and millenials right. interesting u never heard of it. it means, like. swag

i wanna townread the L to the C cuz he seems very very preoccupied with expanding his slang vocabulary. i vibe with it (like i can empathize with posting itt whatever u want and not caring if ppl might not townread u when u rand town)

its a bit of a stretch logically thinking but i emotionally speaking it feesl good about making the read so here we go

Long Con's early posts are all short, "too cool for school" types of posts. It makes it difficult to assess his interactions. This one started with him "making fun of" me for saying "groovy" with a one-word response. Tutuu types a lot of words wondering how a person has gone their whole life without hearing that word before. It can be a misunderstanding. It does not tell me much about tutuu's alignment, but gth I will call it a good look.

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Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

Don’t be a square.

Do you have reads or thoughts or anything yet?

Nope.

If the game reaches a Final Three, they will all be sent to The Grasslands. All dead town players will vote for which one of these players shall carry out the final execution kill.

Nice twist!

lolol

Going back to this, initial scum lean on LC. Not a big fan of using the host as an icebreaker to get into the thread, it also kind of feels off since the same text was present in the sign up thread for over a week now. The comment itself is also pretty bland, he isn't really adding anything to the mech convo.

As for the "lolol", that was basically my reaction to it 'cause I often scum read LC and it's a "why are you always so scummy LC" lol. He's more often than not scum, so no my fault

I didn't read the rules in the signup thread.

Me too.

Give me something to chew on.

I don't really have anything to say at this point. Gimme a few days maybe.

Here's a few more posts of LC saying absolutely nothing to me and nova. Just noting them for context. Long Con evidently does not feel like talking to us on Day 1.

Wait @JaggedJimmyJay uve never been scum?

When JJJ is scum, he plays so hard that the scum become the new town, and get their own town win.

A JaggedJimmyJoke about JaggedJimmyJay directed at tutuu. Okay.

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i have the game poe’d down to jay/sloonei/lc/carrote. not even kidding. like i tr everyone else. and rn im looking at that and going “this cannot possibly be right” so maybe one of my tr’s is wrong but this is where i’m at

Sounds great.

This post says so little I wonder why it exists. I believe it was around this time that I accused LC's nonchalance as being affected; as in, he was putting on act of not caring. It continues to make it difficult to assess these interactions. Hally is town outside of this moment, and I have no reason to read this negatively for them.

Okay I would like to partner with SPF

In response to this post from tutuu. Does Long Con "partner" with his actual partner as a joke? Maybe. LC's a lover of wifom. I doubt SPF is bad but I'll keep an eye on these two.
Does LC's partner make that post and ask LC to pick a partner? Maybe. Idk, no one in the world has seen what tutuu looks like when she's bad.

And we will take out Sloonei and Martin.

Martin could be bad. Idk. Does LC pick out two town players to "take out" here? I can do very little with these posts. Way to go, LC.

Carotte questioned the pairings, in lieu of giving an opinion.

This seems at least mildly critical of carotte, a civilian. Noted.

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Why am I town? Why is Jay not?

It's in your role card, my dude.

Do you also think I’m town then?

So far so good?

Earlier LC was pledging to "take me out" but now I am town. I don't know what to do with this, but I wanted to note it. Maybe he is trying to appease me/shake me off.

tutuu lock town

Okay... tutuu has probably been the most prominent name in this ISO so far, for whatever that's worth. But... I can say very little about any of these interactions. They just exist. Does LC declare his partner to be "lock town" on Day 1? See my comment about LC & wifom above.

For context to anyone who's new to LC: I once lost a game to him when he was mafia because he self-voted to put himself in a tie for the lead on Day 1 for absolutely no reason and then he rode that credibility to a solo win at F3 (sorry mr stark).

Okay I would like to partner with SPF

okay, i'm in. can you help me townread you more? what's your plan for solving the game right now? do u have any concern about anyone here right now?

I plan to make judgment calls on peoples' posts, interactions, and reactions, and use those to guide my votes.

Beep boop.

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Okay I would like to partner with SPF

okay, i'm in. can you help me townread you more? what's your plan for solving the game right now? do u have any concern about anyone here right now?

I plan to make judgment calls on peoples' posts, interactions, and reactions, and use those to guide my votes.

cool, who do u townread the most so far?

I think I townread tutuu the most.

spf is not content to let LC's beep boop go by, so she continues to prod him. Cool. LC repeats a town read on tutuu. Coool.
I have yet to figure out why LC has this read. It is the only definitive stance he has taken in the game.

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I am a little suspicious of Long Con since he doesn't have much to say but he still has a presence and makes jokes and short responses. Is that normal for him?

Yes and I've misexed him a couple of times because of it.

Well, let it be known that I'm definitely male.

Jokes at Alison. Okay.

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Either way, Martin's warning looks townish to me. Scum would want a villager to screw up and get punished, I think.

Linki: That's rough. @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think of that?

A town read on Martin for (I think?) warning somebody about being in danger of the post cap. I don't think that sort of thing is really alignment indicative. This is the first mention of Martin, I think. Meh. I don't love it, but it's barely anything.

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Either way, Martin's warning looks townish to me. Scum would want a villager to screw up and get punished, I think.

Linki: That's rough. @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think of that?

anything else you can give us lc?

Sometimes less is more.

This was LC's motto for Day 1, evidently.

Hally, I get that you are really into this game, and have kind of checked out of the other game, but it's the opposite for me. I'm just not that into this game yet. Most of my reading has been skimmy. I'm not going to try to make up reads I don't have. Vote me if you like, I don't really care.

This is maybe the most substantive post LC has made, and it exists purely to get Hally off his case. I'll call that a good look. Hooray.

is there anyone who wouldn’t want to save spf? we can still make that happen if it’s what the consensus wants. we just have to put everyone else at two votes instead of one

SPF is my battle partner, so I want to save her.

Here's another nod to LC linking himself with SPF. I still do not know what to do with it. It exists.

Ok so it looks like we'll need someone to vote everyone except the person we want to get the gun so it doesn't just go to lowest poster

I can do that. Tell me exactly what do do please.

I'm gonna go ahead and town read nutella based on LC's emoji. Nothing but top quality reads in here. That looks like he's trying to disarm her. "I am on your side, fellow townie." Yeah.

I don't think Hally did anything wrong, certainly not "causing chaos". I was surprised to look at the poll and suddenly see so many votes, but that's about it. It makes sense. I didn't like tutuu and Alison causing an uproar about it.

I support the SPF initiative. Should I put a vote on everyone but her? Or just Nanook?

Whoa, check this out, LC's actually talking about events in the thread. This was in response to Hally's mass-vote on Day 1 and tutuu getting all bothered by it. This marks a noteworthy change in LC's demeanor toward tutuu, as she has previously been his top town read, but here she's being shaded (along with Alison) for her response to something specific. I might be inclined to read that in tutuu's favor: if LC is committed to hard-townreading a partner on Day 1, I don't think he walks it back so casually like this. But the fact that he's linking Alison and tutuu together does nullify that a bit. He has had less (nothing) to say about Alison to this point.
At any rate, there was never any chance of either tutuu or Alison getting chopped on Day 1, so there is no immediate risk if one of these two is his teammates. I'll keep an eye on these names as we move into Day 2 of LC's ISO.
Also of note is that LC supports the idea of giving SPF the gun on Night 1. He has no reason to resist the town's initiative on that front: we are chopping a civilian, and that's all that matters to him here.

I am exaggerating a bit when I say sloonei was lolcatting, but he really did not post any serious content and seemed completely flippant about the night vote. He really felt detached in the way a deflated scum would.

Why would he be deflated? Town was yeeted.

I don't think this sort of interaction ever happens between teammates. nutella starts the day with a hard push on a civilian Sloonei. LC immediately swats it away. If they're partners, this a needless and counterproductive exchange unless the point is to get someone like me to make this exact point. Nah.

Uh. Just want to point out a bizarre oddity from LC at this point: over the course of ~30 minutes, he makes 5 straight posts that are direct responses to nutella. It's not like they're engaged in any sort of back-and-forth. The first two of these posts (the one above and follow-up) are part of the same exchange, but after that LC makes three isolated responses to nutella. I don't know what, if anything, it means, but I'm inclined to say LC is more conscious of the optics of this sort of thing if nutella is his partner. I'm already firmly reading her as town anyway.

Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game

I think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.

:fry:

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Eh I’m not sure I can read tutu this game

I think it's going to be really hard to know, when she finally rands wolf, due to her having no wolf records on this site. I don't know what it looks like.

what should we do today, Mr. Con?

I'm going to do some ISO looking today, and I'll get back to you on that, if that's ok.

Which ISOs do you want to look at and why? if you're not already doing that.

nutella is the first name to come to mind. I've seen some people say she's towny, but I don't know why.

LC claims to have no read on nutella despite having just spend a half hour doing nothing but interacting with her. Also this reminds me of Michelle ISOing three civilians on Day 1 of the Champs FInale. I'll go ahead and call nutella town and ignore all future posts about her unless something changes in here.

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Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but

It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.


Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.

I don't understand why you think this way so I can't assume that the mafia team does too.

Carot is town and SPF is mafia -> better to send second mafia most of the time, makes sure that town dies

Carot is town and SPF is town -> better to send third town, makes sure that town dies


There’s obviously some amount of uncertainty in this cause it’s not immediately clear how many mafia will think about it this way, and there’s some room for playing suboptimally on purpose even if they do/did think about it this way

On Night 1 though? Wouldn't that out two mafia members immediately?

LC pouring some wine into the thread. I'm not sure this tells me much about nanook. He's here.

Maybe I misunderstand. I thought you were saying that, if the group sends a town and a mafia, then the mafia would choose to send another mafia so that they could subvert the democratic process and yeet a town member that was supposed to be safe.

The alleged "derpclear". Lol.

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I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote....

What is this triple vote?

I also found this post suspicious:

And we will take out Sloonei and Martin.

Remember I was answering a choice between exactly those two players, and another exact pair. I didn't choose Martin or Sloonei to make that statement about, I did a gun to head on two pairs and chose them.

A generic question for Alison. Apparently there was a context to LC's "Martin/Sloonei" post on Day 1 which I missed. Okay. He did absolutely nothing to pursue either me or Martin on Day 1. I am wary of Martin now. Thunal pointing this out feels like a good look as well.

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Is this to kick my butt into some action? I'll get there.

Lots of folks continue to talk about Long Con suspicion or Long Con non-town-reads, but there hasn't been much doing anything about it. So I did something about it. By all means take it as a butt kick and do your thing.

So you're doing what Thunal thinks it would be Towny to do.

This looks like some Day 2 shade at Mr. JimmyJay. Noted.

Firm defense of Thunal. I kinda just think she's town tho

Martin has given me the most consistent and vocal suspicion out of anyone, and we're the only pair you find has m-m potential?

Jay's chart points to Martin/LC as an especially viable pair. LC swats that away by saying that Martin has been his most vocal opponent in the thread. That is... not my memory of Day 2. As is always the case with LC, however, I am wary of deliberate wifom.

long con: long con feels like they are barely part of this game, and they seem genuinely unconcerned w/the pressure being put on them.

Someone else (Martin) brought up my lack of concern for pressure/suspicion/votes. I'm just really used to it by now, with how games are played these days with strong early PoE and towncore always forming, I find it better to just plow ahead than worry about the usual suspicion.

This response to SPF feels kind of stressed and distant, for lack of a better word. Like he didn't want to respond but had to address the concern anyway. Probably a good look for SPF, in case anyone's still doubting her.

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Okay that makes some sense at least. Why did you choose me/Martin over Sloonei/Carotte? Do you still think me and Martin are more likely scum than Sloonei?

Actually, it was Martin/Sloonei over Carotte/Thunal. It was pretty arbitrary at that point, Sloonei had been getting a lot of heat, so I went with that one.

The slight miscommunication from Thunal here feels good, but I have a slight ping that LC choosing Martin/Me over Carotte/Thunal on Day 1 might point toward her being his partner. I doubt it at this point, but one of the first pseudo-stances LC took in the game was a slightly negative read on Carotte, but when he was asked to "pick a pair" on Day 1,he chose the one that did not include Carotte. It also included Thunal. But this is LC. I don't think he's afraid of distancing/weird interactions with his teammates, even at the very start of the game. If I am being asked to vote for either Martin or Thunal, I will vote for Martin.

This post in response to nanook is odd. LC picks out three posts from nanook that indicate "wolf equity" (I don't think I've ever seen LC use that phrase before) with little old me, but then walks it back to say these are "not strong" interactions. It is difficult to assess LC's stance on nanook from this post. It seems negative, but it's worded in such a cordial way that I almost feel like he's trying not to come off too negative.

More shade at Jay, with an implied Sloonei/JJJ wolf world. Nah.

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I should be pretty clearly not teamed with Nutella at a bare minimum

why

What do you mean why

When are our interactions ever what teammates look like

Which interactions were those?

Does LC ask this question to his teammate? We're back to Day 1 LC: this interaction is so light it is difficult to do anything with. GTH it's a good look for nanook but I barely care.

nutella ISO. I still think she's town. LC does a lot of work to try to paint her negatively. I think this post contributed a lot to his elimination, and I think nutella was instrumental to getting that done. She's not his partner.

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@Sloonei what is lc’s alignment?

same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank]

Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the early game are often informed by players who excel in the early game. Sloonei is a name I've seen brought up probably more than anyone else as scum, to the point that it was said Carotte being town locks Sloonei as scum.

I would much rather give an answer after I have looked over his posts, which I can do when I'm done with Nutella.

This is opportunism.
Also gonna note here that I have seen LC say next to nothing about Alison, who was the other major wagon yesterday.

After some effort, I dragged a pair of town-reads on Hally and SPF out of LC. It appears that early tutuu read has gone away. I don't think he has directly articulated either of these reads yet. There was an implied town read on SPF on Day 1. I think this is LC acknowledging that these two players are not going to be viable pushes at any point and going along with the consensus.

I know this is out of left field, but I thought Martin's posting of his game notes was towny.

14 minutes later, he tacks on an against-the-grant townread on Martin... Okay? Martin is becoming a topic of conversation at this point, but opinions are a bit divided on him. Out of context, I would have called this a good look for martin, as it looks very awkward and I'm not sure LC makes such an awkward post unprovoked when he's scum. But there was some provocation in the form of general Martin chatter. I do not love it. The tide is just starting to turn against him, and LC steps up to defend him. I don't know how much pressure LC was under at this point; if he is under heavy scrutiny at this point, he could be in "anti-spew" mode. I don't think that was the case at this point though.

Hally is putting pressure on LC at this point. I'm willing to give her the same treatment as nutella: town unless something drastic happens. Skipping those posts to save time and energy.

... and if I ignore all nutella and Hally interactions, that takes us to the end of the day. Here is LC's final post:

Okay sorry I couldn't be here at the end of the day today guys, just pulled over on the side of the road to make a post and a vote. I guess I'll to Alison. Good luck.

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

This post is purely self-preservation and tells me nothing about Alison. If they are partners, only one of them can be chopped/sent to the grasslands via the vote. If she's town, that's still the case. Either way, LC has no choice but to put his vote here. He said absolutely nothing about her this game. Her name probably appears the least of anyone's in this ISO. That is worth noting.

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Rainbow based purely on this ISO:
nutella
Hally
SPF
Thunal
NANOOK
tutuu
Alison
Martin

Alison and Martin are kind of interchangeable, otherwise the tiers are ranked. LC has very little to say about either of them, and he's a bit inconsistent on Martin. He has next to nothing to say about Alison outside of one vaguely negative comment about her in conjunction with tutuu on Day 1. I will look at those two next.

Nanook and tutuu are more neutral than that color looks. I do not have enough to say that either of them look definitively good, but there is nothing that explicitly points to them being bad either. LC had one awkward looking exchange with Nanook on Day 2 that felt like he was not talking to his teammate, but that was it. The best I can say about tutuu is that if she and LC are partners, then he started the game with a firm townread on her and then abandoned it for no discernible reason and she is virtually absent from his posts on Day 2. I don't know if I've ever seen Mafia #1 act that way toward Mafia #2.

This was less conclusive than I had hoped and did more to confirm/strengthen my town reads point me toward any new suspects.

Does LC/Alison/Martin make sense? That would mean we were on the entire mafia team + me yesterday.

who do you want to chop the most today? martin?

[Sloonei]

oh god dont quote the whole wall, it's bad enough that i was inconsistent with my use of spoilers!

if i was voting right now (and I'd like to only place one vote today), it would probably be on martin. But I am going to review him and Alison (and hopefully nanook and tutuu as well) for LC interactions as well.

I'm purposely not looking at your analysis (at spf) until I've done my own.

[Sloonei]

Okay I would like to partner with SPF

In response to this post from tutuu. Does Long Con "partner" with his actual partner as a joke? Maybe. LC's a lover of wifom. I doubt SPF is bad but I'll keep an eye on these two.
Does LC's partner make that post and ask LC to pick a partner? Maybe. Idk, no one in the world has seen what tutuu looks like when she's bad.

he said he wanted to partner with spf because she had the close-ranged sword-wielding mech and he had the long-ranged artillery mech so they were a nice combo when u think about it

I... don't know what to do with this information, but thank you tooty.

[tutuu]

Okay I would like to partner with SPF

In response to this post from tutuu. Does Long Con "partner" with his actual partner as a joke? Maybe. LC's a lover of wifom. I doubt SPF is bad but I'll keep an eye on these two.
Does LC's partner make that post and ask LC to pick a partner? Maybe. Idk, no one in the world has seen what tutuu looks like when she's bad.

he said he wanted to partner with spf because she had the close-ranged sword-wielding mech and he had the long-ranged artillery mech so they were a nice combo when u think about it

I... don't know what to do with this information, but thank you tooty.

OMG U CALLED ME TOOTY AGAIN HIHIHIHI I LOVE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I LOVE

LOVE

LOVE

LOVE UUUUUUUUU

*kisses ur cheek*

[MartinGG99]

For the record:

I don't mind flipping green today if people want to eliminate me out of caution despite my arguments....I think I've made the most out of my arguments and its my hope that the town will acknowledge the legacy reads that I have given.



Ideally I hope my flip will show Alison + Thunal in a better light, and that I hope the town core (or the town core that I wish would exist) of Thunal/Alison/SPF/Hally/Nutella will be able to figure out and catch the 2 scum that are in Sloonei/Tutuu/Nanook

However, if my green flip does not advance my legacy reads from the town's perspective then I'm less inclined to be cool with my own elimination.

[Sloonei]

OMG U CALLED ME TOOTY AGAIN HIHIHIHI I LOVE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I LOVE

LOVE

LOVE

LOVE UUUUUUUUU

*kisses ur cheek*

you're welcome. we don't have a proper head-pat emoji for tutuu.

LC called you locktown early but then stopped talking about you later on. What do you make of this?

[tutuu]

i dont know he's dead and he was mafia

[Sloonei]

For the record:

I don't mind flipping green today if people want to eliminate me out of caution despite my arguments....I think I've made the most out of my arguments and its my hope that the town will acknowledge the legacy reads that I have given.



Ideally I hope my flip will show Alison + Thunal in a better light, and that I hope the town core (or the town core that I wish would exist) of Thunal/Alison/SPF/Hally/Nutella will be able to figure out and catch the 2 scum that are in Sloonei/Tutuu/Nanook

However, if my green flip does not advance my legacy reads from the town's perspective then I'm less inclined to be cool with my own elimination.

How would you rank your three suspects?
Why is Alison outside of your POE? I know you've talked about her already, but if you have to sum it up in a couple sentences, what would you say?

[Sloonei]

i dont know he's dead and he was mafia

This is indeed true. Do you have a plan to catch his teammates today?

[tutuu]

no im not good at mafia im just trying to be genuine so people hopefully dont kill me

[Alison]

I'm ready to vote.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Nothing I've seen since my POE analysis has convinced me that it is untrue. I challenge anyone who disagrees that Sloonei is the correct vote for today to either show how Sloonei town is possible without two deepwolves, or how two deepwolves are likely given the gamestate.

[Alison]

The avatar-change thing by tutuu is not a big deal and no reasonable person is going to actually change their view on the game based on it. I don't really care about it and I don't think it has any impact whatsoever on game integrity. If tutuu hadn't changed her avatar she'd just have posted a crying anime girl and pointed to that instead.

[Alison]

Also Martin has been obvtown so if anyone still suspects Martin I want to hear why. I don't care what interactions he's had with LC, as far as I'm concerned he's spewed himself town by his behavior these past few pages.

[tutuu]

The avatar-change thing by tutuu is not a big deal and no reasonable person is going to actually change their view on the game based on it. I don't really care about it and I don't think it has any impact whatsoever on game integrity. If tutuu hadn't changed her avatar she'd just have posted a crying anime girl and pointed to that instead.

[MartinGG99]

How would you rank your three suspects?
Why is Alison outside of your POE? I know you've talked about her already, but if you have to sum it up in a couple sentences, what would you say?

1.
Probably tutuu>Sloonei>Nanook.

I plan to look into you more tomorrow (since I'll have more time than just popping in minutes-at-a-time here), honestly I'm probably doing you a slight disservice by not doing that even if in the end you do flip red.

I also don't have any suspects out of those three. I could create more tinfoils (such as SPF + Hally scum team), but those have a rather very low plausibility in my opinion and it would just be over-analyzing.

I also don't particularly care if it goes Sloonei>tutuu>Nanook either. I would prefer Nook being the last suspect since he did make a vote that, with context, was meaningfully against LC. (I confirmed this earlier)

2.
I have had a fairly tumultuous time trying to read her over the course of the game up until SoD3. I started going against her late D2, and then I talked about it a fair bit in the N2 Treehouse QT chat. During that time, I looked at her posts from the time I voted myself + her and her responses in the QT that honestly didn't seem bad at all to me and therefore towny despite all the hell I was giving her. In a specific post near EoD2 she mentioned about me over-analyzing, which actually made surprising amount of sense to me the more I thought about that idea. It never occurred to me whether I was over-analyzing or not, and when to stop analyzing. I also made the conclusion I was probably over-analyzing Alison, which probably what was making my paranoia of Alison a bit unreasonable. So I town-read her instead and just locked it for sanity's sake because at that point I just didn't want to deal with it anymore.

(Treehouse N2 QT link here for your convenience)

I also looked at the Alison vs. Thunal interactions earlier this day (D3) and I've come to the conclusion that it was probably TvT since the reoccurring rift or theme between the two appeared to be a result of playstyle/perception difference. If there was a wolf in there I would imagine the accusations they would've thrown against each other would've included something other than those differences.

[tutuu]

my suspect order is like

sloonei > thunal > alison > spf (max 2 misyeet lefts so we can put max 4 names i think)

i would bet the entire game on nutella being town. other than her i think everyone has towny stuff going for them

if i wanted to make a list i'd be like

nutella
nanook
hally
martin
spf
alison
thunal
sloonei

if possible pls dont ask me to elaborate because i dont wanna be rude when i dont reply (i dont feel like putting the amount of effort u guys put. its too much for me)

[Thunal33]

Also Martin has been obvtown so if anyone still suspects Martin I want to hear why. I don't care what interactions he's had with LC, as far as I'm concerned he's spewed himself town by his behavior these past few pages.

This. It's nagl for Sloonei that he has Martin and you as his top suspects since I townread both of you now.

[Thunal33]

I've been thinking we should give Nutella the gun today instead of SPF. I think SPF is probably town with the way she thought out all those interaction analyses in a way that makes sense and that both me and Nutella agree with, but Nutella is the clearest person in the game and the most obvious NK. A doc save on her would be really useful.

[tutuu]

I've been thinking we should give Nutella the gun today instead of SPF. I think SPF is probably town with the way she thought out all those interaction analyses in a way that makes sense and that both me and Nutella agree with, but Nutella is the clearest person in the game and the most obvious NK. A doc save on her would be really useful.

i agree

[nutella]

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

I'm okay with getting the gun/save

[Alison]

I vote for giving nutella the gun, yeah. Like she nailed LC and has been independently very townie so.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I actually think we should continue giving SPF the gun tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I won’t fight giving it to nutes but my preference would be SPF

[Sloonei]

Alison & Long Con

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Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

First mention of LC is incidental; tutuu is the main subject of this post.

Kind of think nova town for the way they went about reading LC.

Ditto here. This post is about nova, LC is incidentally present. Okay.

I am a little suspicious of Long Con since he doesn't have much to say but he still has a presence and makes jokes and short responses. Is that normal for him?

Yes and I've misexed him a couple of times because of it.

First direct mention of LC is a firm defense. Noted.

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Town:
tutuu
Hally
SPF
Martin
nova

Townlean:
nutella
LC
nanook

Mixed but trending up:
JJJ

POE:
Carotte
Sloonei
Thunal

LC is in the exact middle of Alison's reads list as a "townlean." Noted.
I'm underwhelmed by the bottom portion of this list as well.

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[reads list]

Any idea where you might look first if your POE of three isn't precisely the team?

I don't think Carotte/Thunal are W/W so I don't think this POE is precisely the team. But it's a good start and I think there's one or two wolves in it. After those three are sorted...

I'd look at LC if he keeps slanking. There's a point where unashamedly idling throughout the game stops being "townie because he doesn't care about how he looks" and starts being "mafia coasting by on a cheap read".

I'd look at you if you were wrong about Sloonei.

Other people I'd look at would depend a lot on how the game goes down and who exactly in the POE was town/scum - who makes pushes that end in a scum exe, who makes pushes that are the counterwagon to a scum exe, etc. By the time the POE is sorted, those dynamics would probably bring new people to the forefront of my suspicions. As things stand these two are the people I'm most interested in investigating after the POE.

Slightly better look RE: LC here: Jay asks her a standard follow-up question to the reads list, and LC is the first person she names. That could be compensation for the previous town-read, but it does not need to be that.

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I've decided that it's too late for this shit, I'm going to do what I said I would and go to sleep, and I don't want to wake up to see that more mechanics nonsense has transpired.

linki: the vote matters because Carotte might not actually get exed here. We have nfc how LC, nanook, nova, Martin etc. will vote. If Carotte is scum and we miss out on exeing her by one vote this move will have shot us in the foot.

Another post where LC's name is just kinda here. Alison seems to just be listing everyone who hadn't voted at this point. I did not understand the fuss about votes at this point, but that's not what my focus here.

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I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote, and my reasoning on Hally being sent to the Grasslands got slightly debunked. I still think Thunal is scum and I think Thunal can be pocketing Hally even if Hally is town.

Sloonei has no original reads and I dislike that. I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with me or engaged with me meaningfully and now I'm his top scum read. Feels opportunistic.

I thought a little more about the timing and context of nanook coming out with a hard townread on nova and I actually think it's really townie. I trust nanook. tutuu and Martin continue to be town.

Here's a note in self-defense. One of the biggest reasons people were suspecting me yesterday was that they felt I was W/W with Carotte. Now that Carotte has flipped town, you should be suspecting me some amount less if you are actually re-evaluating your reads and trying to figure out the game.

I've been reconsidering my nutella read because I feel like she hasn't actually done an awful lot when you get down to it, and one of the reasons I had for suspecting her in Radiohead was a sense of detachment/disengagement. But her ISO is actually pretty townie despite that. I don't townread her as strongly as I do nanook/tutuu/Martin, but I'm comfortable lightly trusting her for now.

Town:
nanook
tutuu
Martin
SPF

Townlean:
nutella
JJJ
LC

Light scumlean:
Hally

Scum:
Thunal
Sloonei

LC is incidentally mentioned as part of a read on Hally, and still appears right in the middle as a "townlean" still. I see no evidence of Alison following through on the previous soft suspicion of LC. I do not love this.

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Hey all. I'm around but I see there's been like 10 notifications addressed to me and I'm not sure I have the time to address all of 'em. I'll be working my way through 'em slowly over the course of the day. I glanced at JJJ's POE chart - I'm a little curious why LC/Martin has high scum compatibility, and I'm surprised to see that I don't have orange compatibility with either tutuu or Martin given that I hard defended them.

Also Thunal is lying about what I said again. I'll quickly address that because it's easy.

She finds it sus that my early reads are too confident yet makes very confident early reads herself. She doesn't like that I'm scumreading her for suspecting me yet suspects me in part because I was scumreading her.

This is not true. I have repeatedly stated that I was not scumreading you for making confident reads; I was scumreading you for making shallow reads based on flimsy evidence. Every read of mine is backed by strong evidence; yours isn't, because you're making it up. I am also not scumreading you for scumreading me. I originally started scumreading you because you had a townread on me that I didn't like.

She also doesn't change her reads often in light of new evidence and has the same suspects she did early to mid D1 (me and Sloonei).

What has come to light over the course of the game that should make me change my list of suspects?

LC/Martin viability gets a driveby mention with no real comment. The "surprised I don't have orange compatibility" comment is the kind of thing I could see a mafia member throwing into a post to appear comfortable.

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Just leaving this to note that I haven't forgotten about the previous posts addressed to me - I just got caught up in replying to the more recent ones. I'll be working through them as I have the time, and you'll get proper responses.

@JJJ - I will note here that a few people have come in and said they think my stance on Sloonei makes sense or is at least not totally bogus. Even if you disagree with them, you should at least consider that it's something that would be reasonable for town Alison to think.

linki: Martin's vote on me, while wrong, does strengthen the Martin = proto theory, since proto used to do the exact same thing.

Do you believe there to be mafia teammate compatibility among these players:

Sloonei, Thunal, Hally

I ask because I interpret these to be your primary suspects. If not please indicate so.

Sloonei + Thunal compatibility is low. Not completely impossible, but low.

Hally has sort of fallen out of my suspect list today. A lot of my gripes with her turned out to have reasonable answers and she hasn't handled the JJJ/Alison interactions and Alison/Thunal interactions the way I expected she would if she was scum. I'm leaning towards more of a null or slight townlean on Hally now I think.

I don't know who's my third suspect. Probably LC by a slim margin since I have some reason to townread everyone else, but I'm not really feeling it on an LC exe. The only argument as to LC being scum is that he's widely suspected but nobody wants to go after him. But that happens in every game LC is in, and the one time I saw him scum, everyone went after him, so...

This is the lightest possible suspicion on LC. Idk, I haven't seen Alison's scum game so I don't know how she'd handle a teammate. This would be a bit clumsy. She's held LC up as a "townlean" throughout the game but has twice responded to direct prods by dipping him ever so slightly into her pool of suspects. It is not enough to buy her any credibility in the event that he flips. Maybe it would be enough to get people to think that she wanted to push the low-hanging fruit option on him if she were to flip wolf before him. But I feel I'm getting ahead of myself there. Can someone who's more familiar with Alision's scum game comment on this? as if anyone's reading all of this.

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Okay, belated catchup time.

@Alison what happens to your present view of the game if Sloonei is town? If Thunal is town?

If Thunal is town I'd probably have to admit I'm barking up the wrong tree entirely and try to take a few steps back and re-evaluate my understanding of the gamestate entirely. If Sloonei is town then I'd just be back onto Thunal. The difference here, I think, is that a Sloonei green flip doesn't give me much info, but a Thunal green flip means I have to reconsider my thoughts on a lot of things.

Is there anything that would convince you I'm town except my town flip? What are your thoughts on LC?

Thoughts on LC posted a bit above. This is not going to be a satisfactory answer, but basically you'd have to start acting more townie lol. Obviously I'm not going to give you the exact details on what you're supposed to do because then you'd just copy it and it becomes totally meaningless.

"I already talked about LC, leave me alone."

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STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
THUNAL33
LONG CON

town
town
mafia
town

LC is town, along with spf and jay. Thunal is not. Noted.

Another blank LC mention

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I'm caught up. I saw the case on LC. It makes sense; and the tryhard way he went after nutella does feel out-of-place compared to his chill entrance, and sort of feels like the way he played 7th Saga as well. I agree with the points nutella is making and doubly so now that I am strongly townreading her and know her read on LC is in good faith. The way she went after LC today sort of reminds me of when she went after Marcher in Avatar - obviously 1 game sample size isn't great but I do think it's generally indicative that she has really good reason to believe someone is scum.

I'm happy to support an LC exe today - Sloonei/Thunal/LC are all players I'm comfortable with eliminating at this point and would be extremely unsurprised if there was 2 mafia in there.

If LC and Alison are partners, she commits to the bus pretty fast. Alison was under a fair amount of pressure at this point if I remember correctly, so she may feel pressured to fall in line with this case. In this world, Alison's feeling like she is going to be chopped, but then her partner LC emerges as a viable option. If she resists it, she could flip and LC is back in a bad, perhaps even worse, position tomorrow. If she gets on board, maybe she flips and LC looks better; alternatively, LC gets chopped and she can stand to gain by also having supported the case.
This does not need to be the case and it's entirely possible this is just Town Alison's reaction to a sudden case against LC.

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watch me be wrong and this is just like lolspecchat!nutella preaching about how spf was definitely wolf in finale because "it all fits" lmao

I just remembered that. I'm tempering my confidence on your read down a little bit, but your case still makes sense and you're a good scum player who has years of experience with LC. I'm extremely fine with sheeping here.

Also I'm upgrading Hally to just town now, I think my doubts about Hally have mostly been quelled and they've produced some really good posts this phase.

How much credit can scum alison expect to get for openly "sheeping" nutella's read?

A vote for Thunal in which LC is mentioned again. Okay.

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I mean it's biased in the sense that you're scumreading a Hally post, saying that Alison looks good and you look bad, and I'm townreading it.

Anyway I'm thunderdoming you right now, if nutella wants to resolve her LC crusade today that's cool since he's scummy too (and frankly has scum equity with you), but tomorrow I'm going to make it about you or me to the best of my abilities. And if I die at any point I want everyone to exe Thunal as my legacy.

I can see the "thunderdome" with Thunal as a smokescreen to distract us from discussing other things (namely LC) on Day 2.

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There is nothing here that makes me say Alison needs to be town. It's a lighter load than I was expecting; I feel like Alison has been fairly active this game, but she has next to nothing to actually say about LC, both before and after he becomes a suspect. His name appears a lot, but she rarely has anything substantive to say about him. Perhaps the most damning thing for me is that she expressed support of the LC case when it initially popped up but then did absolutely nothing else with it afterwards.
Alison remains a viable suspect.

[tutuu]

I'm ready to vote.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine
[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Nothing I've seen since my POE analysis has convinced me that it is untrue. I challenge anyone who disagrees that Sloonei is the correct vote for today to either show how Sloonei town is possible without two deepwolves, or how two deepwolves are likely given the gamestate.

remember to also vote in the poll btw

[MartinGG99]

I've been thinking we should give Nutella the gun today instead of SPF. I think SPF is probably town with the way she thought out all those interaction analyses in a way that makes sense and that both me and Nutella agree with, but Nutella is the clearest person in the game and the most obvious NK. A doc save on her would be really useful.

I think that is a good idea.

But I think it'll move the NK to you probably, almost undoubtedly from my perspective.

If it hits SPF or Hally then they remove the vain chance of trying to argue an implausible Hally + SPF scum team (which is key because they have a very non-V/W mind meld earlier)

And if it hits me or Alison that just adds to the heat on the two suspects (because I think we're eliminating one of the three today on D3).

And if they hit one of the two suspects, then, well they might as well have outed.

[MartinGG99]

I've been thinking we should give Nutella the gun today instead of SPF. I think SPF is probably town with the way she thought out all those interaction analyses in a way that makes sense and that both me and Nutella agree with, but Nutella is the clearest person in the game and the most obvious NK. A doc save on her would be really useful.

I think that is a good idea.

But I think it'll move the NK to you probably, almost undoubtedly from my perspective.

If it hits SPF or Hally then they remove the vain chance of trying to argue an implausible Hally + SPF scum team (which is key because they have a very non-V/W mind meld earlier)

And if it hits me or Alison that just adds to the heat on the two suspects (because I think we're eliminating one of the three today on D3).

And if they hit one of the two suspects, then, well they might as well have outed.

I mean I won’t fight giving it to nutes but my preference would be SPF

Meh doesn't really matter a whole lot to me.

Its just a small optimization fmpov.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe you shouldn’t be telling scum how to NK

[tutuu]

But I think it'll move the NK to you probably, almost undoubtedly from my perspective.

that doesnt seem bad since me and alison both scumread thunal, so unless u think the mafia team is alison + tutuu, at least 1 town (and up to 2) will benefit from seeing thunal flip green

[MartinGG99]

Maybe you shouldn’t be telling scum how to NK

This information is fairly obvious to everyone, I think.

Especially if Sloonei is in the scum-team (who won the champs).

[nutella]

I disagree with martin's nk speculation but I don't think it's particularly optimal (hi nanook) to discuss it much but I do think it is slightly more productive to save me over spf at this point (hi nanook)


counterpoint being that spf is doing more solving work then me lol

[Thunal33]

There is nothing here that makes me say Alison needs to be town. It's a lighter load than I was expecting; I feel like Alison has been fairly active this game, but she has next to nothing to actually say about LC, both before and after he becomes a suspect. His name appears a lot, but she rarely has anything substantive to say about him. Perhaps the most damning thing for me is that she expressed support of the LC case when it initially popped up but then did absolutely nothing else with it afterwards.
Alison remains a viable suspect.

Why would Alison have suspected me literally all game even when nobody else did, to the point of wanting to thunderdome me as scum? It helped put her in the PoE and there was no benefit to doing it for scum!Alison since it would clear me on her flip and draw attention to her. Scum!Alison is strategic. When I played with SK!Alison she changed her reads to what benefited her and most importantly switched her suspicion off me in the span of a half a game day when it didn't look like others were following.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It doesn’t matter if it’s “fairly obvious” in your opinion or not, it’s strictly better not to give scum info ahead of time on how you’d read NKs.

[MartinGG99]

But I think it'll move the NK to you probably, almost undoubtedly from my perspective.

that doesnt seem bad since me and alison both scumread thunal, so unless u think the mafia team is alison + tutuu, at least 1 town (and up to 2) will benefit from seeing thunal flip green

Alison maybe still scum reads thunal but I think I've convinced them both that they're both town, or at least decreased Alison's scum read by a significant enough margin. Alison just hasn't commented on it after I mentioned her, if I recall.

[MartinGG99]

It doesn’t matter if it’s “fairly obvious” in your opinion or not, it’s strictly better not to give scum info ahead of time on how you’d read NKs.

To be fair

Trying to figure out who to use a doc save on

Is quite literally NK speculation (just maybe not to the degree I just did it...)

[Thunal33]

I've been thinking we should give Nutella the gun today instead of SPF. I think SPF is probably town with the way she thought out all those interaction analyses in a way that makes sense and that both me and Nutella agree with, but Nutella is the clearest person in the game and the most obvious NK. A doc save on her would be really useful.

I think that is a good idea.

But I think it'll move the NK to you probably, almost undoubtedly from my perspective.

If it hits SPF or Hally then they remove the vain chance of trying to argue an implausible Hally + SPF scum team (which is key because they have a very non-V/W mind meld earlier)

And if it hits me or Alison that just adds to the heat on the two suspects (because I think we're eliminating one of the three today on D3).

And if they hit one of the two suspects, then, well they might as well have outed.

Personally it would be an ego boost for me to get NKed. :P

But actually, I don't think I'm a certain NK by any means if nutella gets the save. The NK will be between me/Hally/SPF most likely, and it'll give more info than just an almost certain Nutella NK. Especially if Sloonei is scum I really want Nutella around to help find the scum.

[MartinGG99]

Also I need to shut-up. I'm probably like 10 posts away from hitting 100 posts in D3.

I was at 80-ish posts in this topic at the start of D3, now I'm 169.

[Sloonei]

There is nothing here that makes me say Alison needs to be town. It's a lighter load than I was expecting; I feel like Alison has been fairly active this game, but she has next to nothing to actually say about LC, both before and after he becomes a suspect. His name appears a lot, but she rarely has anything substantive to say about him. Perhaps the most damning thing for me is that she expressed support of the LC case when it initially popped up but then did absolutely nothing else with it afterwards.
Alison remains a viable suspect.

Why would Alison have suspected me literally all game even when nobody else did, to the point of wanting to thunderdome me as scum? It helped put her in the PoE and there was no benefit to doing it for scum!Alison since it would clear me on her flip and draw attention to her. Scum!Alison is strategic. When I played with SK!Alison she changed her reads to what benefited her and most importantly switched her suspicion off me in the span of a half a game day when it didn't look like others were following.

I was not looking at Alison's treatment of Thunal, I was looking at Alison's treatment of Long Con.

But to answer your question: I don't think it's true that "no one else" suspected you. It took me until mid-to-late Day 2 to come around to a town read on you. I feel like I remember you being a moderate suspect at some point during the phase. I am not as well versed in Alison's treatment of you as you are, but I don't feel like this is an accurate rendering of the general game state.
That being the case, I don't think I need to explain why Mafia Alison would be pushing a case on a presumably Town Thunal.

[Thunal33]

Also I'm pretty sure my "scum are content with the PoE" read from D1 was wrong. Sure, scum were content with Carotte being elimed and made no effort to change that. But there actually was some resistance to suspecting Sloonei later D1.

[Thunal33]

There is nothing here that makes me say Alison needs to be town. It's a lighter load than I was expecting; I feel like Alison has been fairly active this game, but she has next to nothing to actually say about LC, both before and after he becomes a suspect. His name appears a lot, but she rarely has anything substantive to say about him. Perhaps the most damning thing for me is that she expressed support of the LC case when it initially popped up but then did absolutely nothing else with it afterwards.
Alison remains a viable suspect.

Why would Alison have suspected me literally all game even when nobody else did, to the point of wanting to thunderdome me as scum? It helped put her in the PoE and there was no benefit to doing it for scum!Alison since it would clear me on her flip and draw attention to her. Scum!Alison is strategic. When I played with SK!Alison she changed her reads to what benefited her and most importantly switched her suspicion off me in the span of a half a game day when it didn't look like others were following.

I was not looking at Alison's treatment of Thunal, I was looking at Alison's treatment of Long Con.

But to answer your question: I don't think it's true that "no one else" suspected you. It took me until mid-to-late Day 2 to come around to a town read on you. I feel like I remember you being a moderate suspect at some point during the phase. I am not as well versed in Alison's treatment of you as you are, but I don't feel like this is an accurate rendering of the general game state.
That being the case, I don't think I need to explain why Mafia Alison would be pushing a case on a presumably Town Thunal.

I'm not saying that I was never suspected (I know I was especially early on), I was saying that even when I wasn't suspected and most of the game townread me Alison still suspected me with no intention to change.

[tutuu]

i have 234 posts and every single one was well-thought-out, argumentative and presented with a lot of brainwork put behind it. suspecting the second top poster of the game is silly

[Sloonei]

Also I'm pretty sure my "scum are content with the PoE" read from D1 was wrong. Sure, scum were content with Carotte being elimed and made no effort to change that. But there actually was some resistance to suspecting Sloonei later D1.

Who was resisting it?

[Sloonei]

There is nothing here that makes me say Alison needs to be town. It's a lighter load than I was expecting; I feel like Alison has been fairly active this game, but she has next to nothing to actually say about LC, both before and after he becomes a suspect. His name appears a lot, but she rarely has anything substantive to say about him. Perhaps the most damning thing for me is that she expressed support of the LC case when it initially popped up but then did absolutely nothing else with it afterwards.
Alison remains a viable suspect.

Why would Alison have suspected me literally all game even when nobody else did, to the point of wanting to thunderdome me as scum? It helped put her in the PoE and there was no benefit to doing it for scum!Alison since it would clear me on her flip and draw attention to her. Scum!Alison is strategic. When I played with SK!Alison she changed her reads to what benefited her and most importantly switched her suspicion off me in the span of a half a game day when it didn't look like others were following.

I was not looking at Alison's treatment of Thunal, I was looking at Alison's treatment of Long Con.

But to answer your question: I don't think it's true that "no one else" suspected you. It took me until mid-to-late Day 2 to come around to a town read on you. I feel like I remember you being a moderate suspect at some point during the phase. I am not as well versed in Alison's treatment of you as you are, but I don't feel like this is an accurate rendering of the general game state.
That being the case, I don't think I need to explain why Mafia Alison would be pushing a case on a presumably Town Thunal.

I'm not saying that I was never suspected (I know I was especially early on), I was saying that even when I wasn't suspected and most of the game townread me Alison still suspected me with no intention to change.

I do not have an answer to this. I have not looked into it.

[Thunal33]

Also I'm pretty sure my "scum are content with the PoE" read from D1 was wrong. Sure, scum were content with Carotte being elimed and made no effort to change that. But there actually was some resistance to suspecting Sloonei later D1.

Who was resisting it?

JJJ was the main actual resistance to the push on you D1, but after JJJ's read people tended to back off pushing you (nobody pushed you hard after JJJ's read even if they suspected you) and I could easily see scum blending into that shift.

[Sloonei]

Also I'm pretty sure my "scum are content with the PoE" read from D1 was wrong. Sure, scum were content with Carotte being elimed and made no effort to change that. But there actually was some resistance to suspecting Sloonei later D1.

Who was resisting it?

JJJ was the main actual resistance to the push on you D1, but after JJJ's read people tended to back off pushing you (nobody pushed you hard after JJJ's read even if they suspected you) and I could easily see scum blending into that shift.

Counterpoint: I am town.

[tutuu]

if u rly are town slooney looney then we are in for a world of hurt

[tutuu]

if ur town i think town loses 99.99% of the time. trust me i study math

[Sloonei]

if u rly are town slooney looney then we are in for a world of hurt

Let's exist in a world where I am town for a little bit. Who doesn't fit in our nice little grassy town?