Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Hally]

ash is probably mafia but we’re never getting there

[Poison]

vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)

ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)

I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy

them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but

Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.

It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?

I feel like

ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced

but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites

town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up

the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:

- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true

basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive

Mmm. A scum doc is a really weird thing to imagine, but I see what you're saying. It's what Nook was saying too.

I think it kind of makes sense for there to be a scum doc with LC's role, like, I feel like 'autokill the wolf who killed you with almost no counterplay if you die at night' is kinda OP

...honestly the thing that doesn't make sense about a scum doc is why they wouldn't have healed Tony N1

but I don't really think two town docs and a town poisoner makes sense from a set-up balance perspective

You know I thought this too, I think the only conclusion I came to was that maybe scum didn't know about LC role or who got poisoned?

[Epignosis]

For those who don't know me, Wilgy is not a kill I make. Wilgy is bait every single time (sorry Wilgy). When I'm bad, kill equity is key.

If you know me well enough, you know I don't kill DrWilgy. I can lynch him for free.

so could everyone lol

This is true, but I have the track record.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

[Hally]

stop trying to solve the setup. none of you know what you’re talking about

[Arete]

I don’t get it, why are you not considering Nanook or Arete at all, why are they cleared?

Thinking about why Ted died and why 112 flipped Civ.

@Hally If you could keep yourself alive somehow over nook, I think that would be preferred.

Picking up on Ted's crumbs makes me think that Arete is the correct option. Hashing out nook following.

if I were a wolf and I were going to kill someone for saying I was scum, I'd kill Epi, not the person people were saying was my likeliest partner

[Epignosis]

ash is probably mafia but we’re never getting there

Why not? Every time I've brought up someone I don't know as a suspect, I get shot down. It's the biggest reason (in the game) that I stopped giving a shit.

[Poison]

I can also see a world with Hally being 3p.idk.

[Ash Lael]

I don’t get it, why are you not considering Nanook or Arete at all, why are they cleared?

Thinking about why Ted died and why 112 flipped Civ.

@Hally If you could keep yourself alive somehow over nook, I think that would be preferred.

Picking up on Ted's crumbs makes me think that Arete is the correct option. Hashing out nook following.

if I were a wolf and I were going to kill someone for saying I was scum, I'd kill Epi, not the person people were saying was my likeliest partner

Epi could have died to poison though.

[Hally]

I can also see a world with Hally being 3p.idk.

jesus christ lol

[Hally]

imagine if nook was here instead of me. damn

[Poison]

I can also see a world with Hally being 3p.idk.

jesus christ lol

Wait why is it unbelievable exactly? In each and every game of this series, there was a 3p, I just checked. There was SK, indie and another one

[Arete]

I don’t get it, why are you not considering Nanook or Arete at all, why are they cleared?

Thinking about why Ted died and why 112 flipped Civ.

@Hally If you could keep yourself alive somehow over nook, I think that would be preferred.

Picking up on Ted's crumbs makes me think that Arete is the correct option. Hashing out nook following.

if I were a wolf and I were going to kill someone for saying I was scum, I'd kill Epi, not the person people were saying was my likeliest partner

Epi could have died to poison though.

oh that's actually a good point

Spoiler: show

that I forgot about despite writing like a page ago that the optimal kill was you or Wilgy in most worlds

Spoiler: show

it's almost like I was not in fact trying to figure out how to kill last night

:wowee:

[Epignosis]

Arete, is Ash evil?

[Hally]

I can also see a world with Hally being 3p.idk.

jesus christ lol

Wait why is it unbelievable exactly? In each and every game of this series, there was a 3p, I just checked. There was SK, indie and another one

i am town poison. believe me or not, it’s up to you

why am i 3p over mafia?

[Arete]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

[Poison]

Idk tbh, you can be a mafia pr as well, but I don't buy two docs, specifically, self healing doc. Nah.

[Epignosis]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

I know this is blowing smoke to you, but if I were mafia, I'd care more.

[Hally]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

but it’s not me arete

what things did he do that pinged you?

[Hally]

Idk tbh, you can be a mafia pr as well, but I don't buy two docs, specifically, self healing doc. Nah.

ok. what you buy is not up to me

[Ash Lael]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Ash Lael] aubergine

[Hally]

[VOTE: ash ] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

[Hally]

[VOTE: Ash Lael] aubergine

nice x post

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Ash Lael] aubergine

nice x post

I still believe in you.

[Hally]

[VOTE: Ash Lael] aubergine

nice x post

I still believe in you.

i probably don’t deserve that based on my play but i appreciate it lol

[Ash Lael]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

[Arete]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

but it’s not me arete

what things did he do that pinged you?

not dying

immediately jumping to using the Wilgy nightkill to shade me (which, I'm probably biased because I'm a villager, but besides 'Ash is a wolf' the obvious explanation FMPoV for 'why did Wilgy die' is 'to shade me', obviously if Ash is a villager he doesn't know that I'm a villager but him jumping to using it shade me is consistent with how I think wolves would want to use the nightkill, also the way he was like 'wait, let me go quote something' and then made a second post to quote the read felt kind of performative)

shading me but not actually calling me a wolf


I still find Epi wolfier than him

[Epignosis]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

[Hally]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

but it’s not me arete

what things did he do that pinged you?

not dying

immediately jumping to using the Wilgy nightkill to shade me (which, I'm probably biased because I'm a villager, but besides 'Ash is a wolf' the obvious explanation FMPoV for 'why did Wilgy die' is 'to shade me', obviously if Ash is a villager he doesn't know that I'm a villager but him jumping to using it shade me is consistent with how I think wolves would want to use the nightkill, also the way he was like 'wait, let me go quote something' and then made a second post to quote the read felt kind of performative)

shading me but not actually calling me a wolf


I still find Epi wolfier than him

why is epi wolfy?

[Epignosis]

It isn't because I lick my own ass, I can tell you that much.

[Poison]

I think killing wilgy over ash can have three possibilities idk if they overlap or not:

1. Someone wants to frame someone else for killing wilgy.
2. Killing Wilgy can mean a confirm lynch on ash.
3. Ash is scum.

If ash is not scum, the first 2 may possibilities overlap.

[Ash Lael]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

Among other things, your reads have moved around in a way that doesn't seem believable. 112 flipped town. All the players who I had below you in PoE have died or (in Hally's case) entered some kind of weird mechanical twilight zone where I don't even know.

[Ash Lael]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

but it’s not me arete

what things did he do that pinged you?

not dying

immediately jumping to using the Wilgy nightkill to shade me (which, I'm probably biased because I'm a villager, but besides 'Ash is a wolf' the obvious explanation FMPoV for 'why did Wilgy die' is 'to shade me', obviously if Ash is a villager he doesn't know that I'm a villager but him jumping to using it shade me is consistent with how I think wolves would want to use the nightkill, also the way he was like 'wait, let me go quote something' and then made a second post to quote the read felt kind of performative)

shading me but not actually calling me a wolf


I still find Epi wolfier than him

In all fairness you did the exact same thing to me lol.

[Arete]

Arete, is Ash evil?

probably not because it's probably you and Hally

but he has done a couple things that pinged me and I have a hard time coming up with reasons why Wilgy is dead over Ash here if Ash is a villager

so I'm not, like, 100 percent on that

but it’s not me arete

what things did he do that pinged you?

not dying

immediately jumping to using the Wilgy nightkill to shade me (which, I'm probably biased because I'm a villager, but besides 'Ash is a wolf' the obvious explanation FMPoV for 'why did Wilgy die' is 'to shade me', obviously if Ash is a villager he doesn't know that I'm a villager but him jumping to using it shade me is consistent with how I think wolves would want to use the nightkill, also the way he was like 'wait, let me go quote something' and then made a second post to quote the read felt kind of performative)

shading me but not actually calling me a wolf


I still find Epi wolfier than him

why is epi wolfy?

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

then presumably you should have been able to use context clues to figure out that my sentence was narrating my present state of mind rather than implying Wilgy's alignment would be different depending on when we flipped him!

What you meant was, "Right now, I don't think Wilgy is a hit." I knew that.

That isn't what your statement said.

Who is Tony's partner and why?

right now I'm leaning you as one of them, as you probably guessed from the fact that I'm voting you

And this is your best evidence:

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

That isn't me being a teammate of Tony.

You are mafia.

you are one of two players this game that I don't have non-associative reasons to townread (the other being Wilgy) and I think the threadstate points to Wilgy being a villager

before I brought you up no one was particularly interested in pressuring you for no clear reason, people who are getting zero pressure when no one townreads them and no one can really even point to a reason they're town are >>rand Mafia

your response to me switching my vote to you was actually awful, you OMGUS-voted me while inventing a reason that involved blatantly misconstruing my sentence. when further pressured for reasons you came up with reasons that were actively illogical and contradictory to the point that I have a hard time seeing it as anything but trying to invent reasons where they don't exist so that your vote looks more justified

you claim to be dissatisfied with the threadstate but have done nothing to change it for the first 46 hours of the day, as far as I can tell you did not care about it at all until you were being pressured. your actions are inconsistent with your supposed mindset.

none of these reasons are 'you are specifically aligned with Tony based on associations' but that doesn't make them invalid

+they aren't making any effort to reevaluate their reads whatsoever

[Epignosis]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

Among other things, your reads have moved around in a way that doesn't seem believable. 112 flipped town. All the players who I had below you in PoE have died or (in Hally's case) entered some kind of weird mechanical twilight zone where I don't even know.

Great. Lynch me and win the game.

[Arete]

could tutuu's role self-target?

[Poison]

Was there any role card provided after tutuu death?

[Ash Lael]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

Among other things, your reads have moved around in a way that doesn't seem believable. 112 flipped town. All the players who I had below you in PoE have died or (in Hally's case) entered some kind of weird mechanical twilight zone where I don't even know.

Great. Lynch me and win the game.

Well I was going to try and sort through the mess a bit more before I started voting, but if you're going to taunt me, sure.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I think I'm at epi/poison or epi/Hally, to be honest. I don't think I can convince myself Arete is scum.

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

Among other things, your reads have moved around in a way that doesn't seem believable. 112 flipped town. All the players who I had below you in PoE have died or (in Hally's case) entered some kind of weird mechanical twilight zone where I don't even know.

Great. Lynch me and win the game.

Well I was going to try and sort through the mess a bit more before I started voting, but if you're going to taunt me, sure.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

That's more like it. Arete is sure to follow.

[Epignosis]

Was there any role card provided after tutuu death?

You know what would be the most helpful thing right now? If you voted.

[Poison]

I don't see a Epi / arete w/w world. But I think both Epi / Hally and Arete / Hally makes sense. Also I have a bad feeling Ash is getting framed here and wilgy death might have happened for that very reason. Either lynch ash and win or lynch someone to frame wilgy death and win. That makes more sense than ash being scum. Cause if they were scum I don't think they would do something so obvious as this.

[Arete]

You don't think that. You're a fraud.

Why don't I think that?

Because I was your super civilian call when I hanged 112 from the rafters after Tony bit it. You liked me then.

What changed Ash? What changed?

Among other things, your reads have moved around in a way that doesn't seem believable. 112 flipped town. All the players who I had below you in PoE have died or (in Hally's case) entered some kind of weird mechanical twilight zone where I don't even know.

Great. Lynch me and win the game.

Well I was going to try and sort through the mess a bit more before I started voting, but if you're going to taunt me, sure.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

That's more like it. Arete is sure to follow.

I'm probably always voting Hally over you today (barring situations where you/not Hally are the EoD wagons) because I'm pretty sure Hally's role only makes mechanical sense as Mafia whereas technically you could just be willaging

[Poison]

Was there any role card provided after tutuu death?

You know what would be the most helpful thing right now? If you voted.

Aren't you being a little too excited?

[Arete]

or sorry

the role that Hally totally isn't softing

[Hally]

kay, well i tried

gg whoever scum is. i don’t have the patience nor energy to figure it out

bye

[Epignosis]

Was there any role card provided after tutuu death?

You know what would be the most helpful thing right now? If you voted.

Aren't you being a little too excited?

I'm not excited at all. I'm drinking bourbon and recording music.

What I mean by that is that it would give me a clear picture of who your biggest suspect is if you just voted.

I'm sorry if I sounded impatient with you.

[Poison]

Olay I think, Hally started this two doc thingy from last day? And she made it seem like she would protect nook with all that voting, but instead saved herself even after knowing that she would get scum read, and people told them that they wouldn't lock town read her. But I think it's all a bluff she might just have an immunity and tried to make it seem like she wants to save nook.

[Hally]

Olay I think, Hally started this two doc thingy from last day? And she made it seem like she would protect nook with all that voting, but instead saved herself even after knowing that she would get scum read, and people told them that they wouldn't lock town read her. But I think it's all a bluff she might just have an immunity and tried to make it seem like she wants to save nook.

well i didn’t know nook would be the other one infected, but i knew i was soooooo

you can figure it out