Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
this is obviously assuming a 3-person team but I think that's a fair assumption for a 15er?
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I don't think a scum partner at risk of getting doinked by poison ever busses Wilgy there because if the bus goes through you potentially just autolose
so that's Hally and Epi, of Wilgy voters
Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison
Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison
Hally/Nanook
Hally/Poison
Nanook/Poison
so that's Hally and Epi, of Wilgy voters
Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison
Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison
Hally/Nanook
Hally/Poison
Nanook/Poison
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I think whether Hally/Nanook is a viable pairing depends entirely on whether scum!Hally has a way to stop themself from being poisoned
if they *do* have a way to do that then bussing them there yesterday doesn't really make sense? I think scum would probably leave scum!Hally for another day there
if they *don't* have a way to do that then bussing them is fairly plausible, since they're dying anyway and it allows scum to potentially get some slight cred as well as making yesterday kind of useless
Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison
Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison
Hally/Nanook*
Hally/Poison
Nanook/Poison
if they *do* have a way to do that then bussing them there yesterday doesn't really make sense? I think scum would probably leave scum!Hally for another day there
if they *don't* have a way to do that then bussing them is fairly plausible, since they're dying anyway and it allows scum to potentially get some slight cred as well as making yesterday kind of useless
Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison
Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison
Hally/Nanook*
Hally/Poison
Nanook/Poison
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
vaguely tempted to just not look at Ash pairings because he almost always dies tonight if he's a villager and I'm slightly lazy (not going to explain why Ash specifically in case wolves somehow haven't noticed)
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
me: tries to get down my thoughts overnight
the wolves that know that if both poisons land on villagers they win:

the wolves that know that if both poisons land on villagers they win:

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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Arete is such a villager lol.
I like the approach to solving and I will take inspiration from steal it. Green = Compatible, Yellow = Plausible, but a stretch, Red = Not plausible. Reasons in spoilers.
Hally/Nook
Hally/Poison
Hally/Arete
Hally/Wilgy
Hally/Epi
Nook/Poison
Nook/Arete
Nook/Wilgy
Nook/Epi
Poison/Arete
Poison/Wilgy
Poison/Epi
Arete/Wilgy
Arete/Epi
Wilgy/Epi
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Hally/Nook
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I'm a little concerned that I might be overweighting the assumption that wolves would always have at least one vote on Hally if she's town. That one assumption is leading me to rule out a lot of worlds.
Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Also note that the above analysis is just looking at compatibility, not the likelihood of any particular individual being a wolf.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Game wouldn’t necessarily end if both poisons are town as scum could potentially NK a poisoned town
It does confirm there’s only two mafia alive tho or game would be over either way
It does confirm there’s only two mafia alive tho or game would be over either way
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Potentially there’s a third town PR that can stop a poison but uh
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Can I propose that we not give scum instructions for how to make an autowin more likely (if Hally is town etc.)
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Re: Escape From Russia
Nanook it's a matrix game, the third PR has to be scum aligned
thinking we're most likely in set-up 1
(this is a joke but not, like, that much of a joke)
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I’m not sure why you’re presenting this to me as if it’s new information?
Also fwiw IIRC last G-Man game had a town PR a scum PR and an indie PR so I wouldn’t take the matrix thing as gospel, just the “3 PRs in the game” part.
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Re: Escape From Russia
Straight up- that matrix is just me poking fun at the game matrix crowd while also acknowledging that my games typically involve some wacky stuff.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
LVIV AND LET DIE
Monday, June 1st, 2020
6:15 a.m. EEST
6:15 a.m. EEST
Ten minutes into their morning commute from Lviv to Budapest, an attendant approached Sidney and Chelsea and asked if they would like a complimentary warm chocolate chip cookie as a sampler from the dining car.
"Does anyone ever say no?" Chelsea asked, accepting the offer. She had almost forgotten the joy that fresh baked goods could bring to a weary soul.
To Chelsea's surprise, Sidney accepted a cookie as well.
"Now that's something," Chelsea quipped. "I expected you to say no, assuming it was poisoned or something."
"Big Blue is in control now," Sidney said as he scrolled through the news on the smartphone Olek and Wasyl had given him. He'd been starved for information and good food for two months. He was willing to be a glutton for both at the moment.
While he looked at the latest polling data, a text message popped up on the screen.
"Damn," he whispered. He showed the phone to Chelsea.
"That's too bad about Bogdona", she said. "She was looking pretty sick even before we got to the Golden Gate."
"It's sad that she won't get to tell her tale. Secret police pushing doctors out of windows is an old KGB tactic. She and Stanislav could have confirmed that it's more than just a mysterious coincidence."
"Indeed," Chelsea said, finishing her cookie. "But it's wonderful news that Valentina seems to have pulled through."
Another text message popped up.
"So much for top-notch surveillance equipment," Sidney sneered, showing Chelsea the phone again.
"Those Russian bastards do cover their tracks well," she sighed. "I don't know why Big Blue's people don't just interrogate them all to sort out who the bad ones are?"
"Knowing Big Blue," Sidney chuckled, "he's giving the opposition a sporting chance."
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He was Bogdana Alyokhina, an escaped political prisoner and vanilla civvie.
DrWilgy is dead.
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It is now Day 5.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
Ok, so uh.
Hally has some talking to do.
Hally has some talking to do.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
ok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
ok so removing pairings that involve Nanook or Wilgy I get:Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm I think whether Hally/Nanook is a viable pairing depends entirely on whether scum!Hally has a way to stop themself from being poisoned
if they *do* have a way to do that then bussing them there yesterday doesn't really make sense? I think scum would probably leave scum!Hally for another day there
if they *don't* have a way to do that then bussing them is fairly plausible, since they're dying anyway and it allows scum to potentially get some slight cred as well as making yesterday kind of useless
Ash/Wilgy
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Nanook
Ash/Poison
Wilgy/Nanook
Wilgy/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Nanook
Epi/Poison
Hally/Nanook*
Hally/Poison
Nanook/Poison
Ash/Epi
Ash/Hally
Ash/Poison
Epi/Hally
Epi/Poison
Hally/Poison
...and that's, like, all the pairings that are possible with this set of players and everything I did overnight was useless
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Hmm... So Hally did survive and she was not bluffing about it.
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Yeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
I dunno though. If I'm saying Hally's town, then I'm looking at some kind of Epi/Poison world or something?
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To be fair, I don't make kills to make me look stupid.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
“hally has some explaining to do”
but i literally cannot explain. i am forbidden
but i literally cannot explain. i am forbidden
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
Tbh, I think killing wilgy over ash might have been a smart move but I csnt be too sure hereArete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
I know but tbh, I thought you were just bluffing about it. 2 docs in a game would be miserable if only 3 PRs are there. You must have an immunity. And in a 3 PR game I would not expect someone with immunity.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I feel likeAsh Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pmYeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced
but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites
town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up
the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:
- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true
basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
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"Kill Wilgy and make Epignosis look stupid."
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I doubt about town doc as well. Besides self healing town doc, isn't that weird?Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pmI feel likeAsh Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pmYeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced
but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites
town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up
the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:
- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true
basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
i really don’t know what im allowed to say. i have arguably already said way too much. if you eliminate me over this then fine, that’s what was going to happen anyway. but at least now people have to stop and think about it for a second
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Mmm. A scum doc is a really weird thing to imagine, but I see what you're saying. It's what Nook was saying too.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pmI feel likeAsh Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pmYeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced
but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites
town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up
the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:
- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true
basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
if i died by the virus we’d lose. if we still lose anyway because you all made the wrong call, there is nothing i can do. but i am the reason we still have a game right now
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
so if you're a villager (which I don't think you are, but entertaining it for the sake of argument)
then you're arguing that I, as Mafia, looked at V/V wagons with no one caring to change them, and randomly decided to try to CFD to a different villager for no reason rather than letting you all keep pushing your miselims on 112/Wilgy and taking 0 responsibility
your world makes no sense
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You're allowed to say who is bad and why. Please stop fixating on this and tell us who is bad. There's a dead bad Tony. Do work. You apparently still like Mafia. I don't. If you aren't willing to do this, say so, and I'll make the adjustment.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
i don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
My world is the one I'm living in.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:05 pmso if you're a villager (which I don't think you are, but entertaining it for the sake of argument)
then you're arguing that I, as Mafia, looked at V/V wagons with no one caring to change them, and randomly decided to try to CFD to a different villager for no reason rather than letting you all keep pushing your miselims on 112/Wilgy and taking 0 responsibility
your world makes no sense

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I said why it isn't random.Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pmi don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
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Actually, this brings something to mind.Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pmi don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
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I don't believe you have a dead mafia member and you can't even attempt to figure out who is bad. Your 900+ posts are shallow.
I don't believe you have a dead mafia member and you can't even attempt to figure out who is bad. Your 900+ posts are shallow.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
to make you look stupid? nah, that’s not itEpignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:08 pmI said why it isn't random.Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:07 pmi don’t know epi. i don’t know why wilgy was killed. that’s so random. who did he suspect? me right? lol
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
i checked out of this game a while ago. if you eliminate me for it, fine
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 4]
I think it kind of makes sense for there to be a scum doc with LC's role, like, I feel like 'autokill the wolf who killed you with almost no counterplay if you die at night' is kinda OPAsh Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:05 pmMmm. A scum doc is a really weird thing to imagine, but I see what you're saying. It's what Nook was saying too.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:01 pmI feel likeAsh Lael wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pmYeah, I figured that as well. I'm a bit surprised to be here.Arete wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:50 pmok so to clarify this: I figured that scum would want to not kill someone who might die to the virus (especially if Hally was town)
I checked and the only two living people who fit that criterion are Ash and Wilgy
them killing Wilgy here is lowkey making me paranoid about Ash, but
It's seems like Hally really does have some sort of doctor ability though so maybe she's town and it was a doc dodge?
ok so I haven't played on this site before so I don't know what people here consider balanced
but 15p Mountainous is considered balanced or slightly scumsided on most competitive-ish sites, JoaT^2 is considered slightly townsided on most sites
town having 2 docs + a poisoner in a 15p with 3 Mafia is more townsided than JoaT^2, I'm pretty sure, so I feel like that wouldn't be balanced and it's really unlikely that a hypothetical town doc would exist in this set-up
the two worlds I can think of where it might count as balanced are:
- if the poisoner is being treated as a negative utility role for balance purposes. I think this is unlikely because ... it literally autopoisons the wolf who killed them if it dies ...
- if there's a 3p (apparently this site likes those) + 2 Mafia alive right now. This is probably actually possible but I'm choosing to ignore this world because I don't think town can win in it, and game theory says that if it's impossible for you to win if X is true you should play as if X is never true
basically what I'm saying is that I think it's highly unlikely that there is a town doc alive
...honestly the thing that doesn't make sense about a scum doc is why they wouldn't have healed Tony N1
but I don't really think two town docs and a town poisoner makes sense from a set-up balance perspective
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
So I looked back, and there were mafia PRs in this game series before. Hmmm...
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Re: Escape From Russia [Day 5]
For those who don't know me, Wilgy is not a kill I make. Wilgy is bait every single time (sorry Wilgy). When I'm bad, kill equity is key.
If you know me well enough, you know I don't kill DrWilgy. I can lynch him for free.
If you know me well enough, you know I don't kill DrWilgy. I can lynch him for free.
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Re: Escape From Russia [Night 3]
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