I’m not seeing how this is particularly connected to what I was saying but ok igMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:39 pmPeople have a tendency to correct others when they believe another person has a wrong answer or idea.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:31 pm If you’re 100% confident in your towncore it’s fine to not care about yourself being in the Poe or dying
I kinda forgot the name of the G-something effect or whatever its called.
I don't really have the time to speculate and introspect as to when and where I try to correct people.
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Anyways I have said I am 100% fine with dying and etcMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:39 pm People have a tendency to correct others when they believe another person has a wrong answer or idea.
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i bet its called the G-spotMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:39 pmPeople have a tendency to correct others when they believe another person has a wrong answer or idea.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:31 pm If you’re 100% confident in your towncore it’s fine to not care about yourself being in the Poe or dying
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i do not have the energy to make a full interaction analysis on martin right now, but here is a major point that stood out to me while i was reading sloonei's interactions with him:
there is a very strong trend of sloonei prefacing his thoughts on martin with the word "but":
there is a very strong trend of sloonei prefacing his thoughts on martin with the word "but":
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:26 pmYou are town. Jay is town. Spf is town. Nutella is town. Tutuu is town.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:18 pmokay
who is mafia, sloonei? who is town?
I am undecided on Thunal.
LC has yet to do anything that makes me want to town read him. I could say the same about nanook and martin. I felt good about Martin initially but that hasn’t carried over as the game has gone on. But I don’t have any reason to suspect him either.
Alison would probably be my top suspect at the moment.
A POE of Alison, LC, Thunal, nanook, and Martin feels okay right now.
nearly every time that sloonei brings up martin as a prospective scum candidate, it is secondary to his other suspicionsSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:25 pm oh god dont quote the whole wall, it's bad enough that i was inconsistent with my use of spoilers!
if i was voting right now (and I'd like to only place one vote today), it would probably be on martin. But I am going to review him and Alison (and hopefully nanook and tutuu as well) for LC interactions as well.
I'm purposely not looking at your analysis (at spf) until I've done my own.
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Well that's juuuuussssttttt wonderful.
Hey do tutuu a favor and not vote her the next day because she got to the conclusion "everyone is town but 3 people have to be mafia so I guess its them" on D1. You know, sort of like you here.
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MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:42 pmWell that's juuuuussssttttt wonderful.
Hey do tutuu a favor and not vote her the next day because she got to the conclusion "everyone is town but 3 people have to be mafia so I guess its them" on D1. You know, sort of like you here.
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True lol. But when I made that argument I was 100% in a scum mindset and I wouldn't have reacted the same way as town.Hally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:02 pmto be fair, you were converted N1 so you were actually being honest that your D1 interactions looking bad wasn’t wasn’t your faultThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:27 pmSorry, but this explanation feels like a clone of the one I made in my last scum game. "It's completely outside my control that my interactions with the flipped scum look bad, it's not my fault!" was exactly the argument I made, with some AtE sprinkled in as well. You still have most of a phase to convince me you're town, I'm not locked in on you being scum by any means.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:19 pmSigh.
I'm being attacked just because how I interacted with 2 people and that they just happened to be scum -_-
Not like it'll change anything but tbh as a townie I'm not supposed to be aware of how I interact with people will be perceived in the future, and maybe that's why it looks bad all-around.
Thankfully we don't have to do a "martin is scum based on interaction" parade after catching the 3rd scum because the game would've ended by then....after I've flipped green atp probably.![]()
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maybe martin and i are just different people but if i was 100% confident that fmpov the final mafia were between two people i would absolutely revel in finding which one of them it was and nailing them. the prospect of being able to definitively solve the game and case the last mafia would excite me. martin is treating it like a chore and seems annoyed we’re even asking him, and i think it’s because he knows he can’t do it. he cannot case the last mafia because he is the last mafia and has accepted that he has lost. since there is nothing in it for him and he knows it won’t help him survive he doesn’t care anymore
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jay was killed because he had martin/lc as orange and would have probably pushed for a martin elimination last day. and since martin was deeper than sloonei and had the best chance of surviving it made sense to shoot jay so that martin could be more protected even though it resulted in sloonei’s elimination
now we have the answer to “why did sloonei shoot jay?” because martin was his teammate
now we have the answer to “why did sloonei shoot jay?” because martin was his teammate
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it makes perfect sense. you don’t make kills to protect sloonei because he wasn’t endgaming anyway. you make kills to protect martin because he actually could have endgamed
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hmmmHally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:53 pm jay was killed because he had martin/lc as orange and would have probably pushed for a martin elimination last day. and since martin was deeper than sloonei and had the best chance of surviving it made sense to shoot jay so that martin could be more protected even though it resulted in sloonei’s elimination
now we have the answer to “why did sloonei shoot jay?” because martin was his teammate
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hope i’m not wrong about this because i’ll look like even more of an idiot than i already do buuuut im really confident it’s just martin
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general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.
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TO BE FAIR,
I do have Asperger's Syndrome. Which may be making things difficult regardless of each other's efforts (or I guess lack of my effort rn lol).
So mischopping here isn't really your fault, especially since nobody here knows me & that I'm new-ish to FM.
As much as I emotionally resent the idea of being mischopped under the current context, for various reasons, the last thing I want to do is to make you feel bad for it.
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Or anyone else here for that matter.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:03 pm the last thing I want to do is to make you feel bad for it
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if you’ve looked over our interactions and feel confident it’s not any of us you’re under no obligation to write out in detail whystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 pm general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.

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yeah true, i'm just so used to explaining all of my thoughts in pain-staking detail that it feels weird to not do so :P i am not currently concerned with you, nutella, or thunalHally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:04 pmif you’ve looked over our interactions and feel confident it’s not any of us you’re under no obligation to write out in detail whystaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 pm general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.![]()
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i’m not sure how to respond to thisMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:03 pmTO BE FAIR,
I do have Asperger's Syndrome. Which may be making things difficult regardless of each other's efforts (or I guess lack of my effort rn lol).
So mischopping here isn't really your fault, especially since nobody here knows me & that I'm new-ish to FM.
As much as I emotionally resent the idea of being mischopped under the current context, for various reasons, the last thing I want to do is to make you feel bad for it.
(unless you're part of the 0.0001% chance that you're mafia, then yeah I guess I do hate your guts a bit)
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i don’t understand why if martin is town and has the time to make appeal after appeal he doesn’t dedicate some of that energy and time to instead trying to solve the game more conclusively and figure out who it is between nook and tutuu. i feel like this is a natural thing to do if you’re going to spend so much time here anyway
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martin, where are you leaning between tutuu and nook, and why?
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or well, i guess you’re leaning tutuu
why is tutuu more likely mafia than nook iyo? why does she fit better with lc/sloonei?
why is tutuu more likely mafia than nook iyo? why does she fit better with lc/sloonei?
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Sigh. Fine. I guess I'll go make a summary about my problems Tutuu because clearly people aren't going to stop asking me about this.
Keep in mind this is a summary, and its probably not going to be a full-blown analysis about interactions with LC/Sloonei unless I feel like it.
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i think he's just trying to win. he will keep making posts like that as long as u keep saying ur stuff imoHally wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:07 pm i don’t understand why if martin is town and has the time to make appeal after appeal he doesn’t dedicate some of that energy and time to instead trying to solve the game more conclusively and figure out who it is between nook and tutuu. i feel like this is a natural thing to do if you’re going to spend so much time here anyway
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if you don’t want to do it i’m not gonna force you. i would like the benefit of your perspective if you’re town but it’s up to youMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:15 pmSigh. Fine. I guess I'll go make a summary about my problems Tutuu because clearly people aren't going to stop asking me about this.
Keep in mind this is a summary, and its probably not going to be a full-blown analysis about interactions with LC/Sloonei unless I feel like it.
But I really don't see the point in doing so since the next two days after my chop are either Nook->Tutuu or Tutuu->Nook, and will end in their respective days for the case of them being mafia.
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Thunal tomorrow maybe, if game is still going. Don’t think anyone else is going over today so probably not needed.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 pm general question: do you guys want me to do an interaction analysis for hally/nutella/thunal? i'm at a point where i've skimmed the interactions between them enough to know that my conclusion is going to be: "this looks good for them", but i do want to be thorough. i guess i'm in a place where i'm not sure if using hours of my time to write that analysis is a good idea if it's going to lead us to the same foregone conclusion today. martin is probably just mafia.
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[ytubehd]jv7jcciKB_s[/ytubehd]MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:03 pmTO BE FAIR,
I do have Asperger's Syndrome. Which may be making things difficult regardless of each other's efforts (or I guess lack of my effort rn lol).
So mischopping here isn't really your fault, especially since nobody here knows me & that I'm new-ish to FM.
As much as I emotionally resent the idea of being mischopped under the current context, for various reasons, the last thing I want to do is to make you feel bad for it.
(unless you're part of the 0.0001% chance that you're mafia, then yeah I guess I do hate your guts a bit)
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i actually kind of really want it to be martin because it will mean that the hivemind between me and hally on d2 was not only a mindmeld, but a correct mindmeld
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All the more reason for townies not to hold it against themselves for my mischopstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:23 pm i actually kind of really want it to be martin because it will mean that the hivemind between me and hally on d2 was not only a mindmeld, but a correct mindmeld
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Here's a summary or list of issues w/ Tutuu. I got distracted while doing it, so it took longer than it should've.
Also this isn't really written to be a case, so I'm not expecting it to convince anybody. But maybe it'll give you some ideas of where my head is at.
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im gonna feel so stupid if martin is town and we killed him right after alison died
it’s okay though, martin will flip scum. trust and believe

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if martin is the sheppard of this game, does that make me phighter for randomly reversing my correct reads and hard defending mafia? 

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Did you miss the point/posts I made about making connections from me to Sheppard and how inherently misguided or wrongful that is in my opinion?
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Or do you seriously think someone without any sort of actual FM-like (in terms of principles and play) experience before starting a FM career can achieve what Sheppard did in less than 10 games?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:32 pm Did you miss the point/posts I made about making connections from me to Sheppard and how inherently misguided or wrongful that is in my opinion?
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martin, i’m not comparing you to shep in the sense of you being like him as a player or being as experienced as him or anything. i’m simply making a joke because shep was the last mafia and i think you‘re mafia. also, i see similarities specifically between how shep approached his last day and how you approached this day that make me more confident you’re mafia. that is the extent of what i meanMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:32 pmDid you miss the point/posts I made about making connections from me to Sheppard and how inherently misguided or wrongful that is in my opinion?
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Nothing I can do about that, I guess.
Still sounds like you're adding the comparison as additional evidence though for your perspective only.
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But atp I'm tired about arguing over itMartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:41 pm Still sounds like you're adding the comparison as additional evidence though for your perspective only.
so believe whatever you want -_-
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Going back to this, (though my post here is kinda oddly worded but its kinda the best way I can put it):
I mean, I once asked during one of the MU Twitch podcasts (in the chat) what was the hardest skill to train as town and they all said it was reassessing (which by extension involves paranoia).
But what the hell is that supposed to do if you actually have it correct?
Fmpov if my theory is correct (which I have high confidence in) then me trying to reassess anyone else as anything else is just bad because it moves away from the correct answer.
Obviously, I don't know if its the correct answer. No town ever does, however what towns can try to do is determine its plausibility (and everything else's plausibility).
And what I've been saying for the past (60?) hours or so is that the last 2 scums are in Sloonei/Tutuu/Nanook, which is now the last scum is in Tutuu/Nanook.
If that does turn out to be correct by the end of this game, regardless of win or lose, I'm going to be quite satisfied with myself. Though I am going to be a bit disappointed that this game also meant being chopped by townies because I'm preety sure that 85% of the pushes or pushing (aside from Sloonei as he was dying on D3) onto me have come from townies.
And if I'm somehow incorrect? Well its a good time to learn what I should be looking for in the future with post-game analysis.
Tbqh I don't get the point as to why townies should always have paranoia just because "it could be someone else". It makes little sense to me to always have it. I get why paranoia should be had at times though.
I mean, I once asked during one of the MU Twitch podcasts (in the chat) what was the hardest skill to train as town and they all said it was reassessing (which by extension involves paranoia).
But what the hell is that supposed to do if you actually have it correct?
Fmpov if my theory is correct (which I have high confidence in) then me trying to reassess anyone else as anything else is just bad because it moves away from the correct answer.
Obviously, I don't know if its the correct answer. No town ever does, however what towns can try to do is determine its plausibility (and everything else's plausibility).
And what I've been saying for the past (60?) hours or so is that the last 2 scums are in Sloonei/Tutuu/Nanook, which is now the last scum is in Tutuu/Nanook.
If that does turn out to be correct by the end of this game, regardless of win or lose, I'm going to be quite satisfied with myself. Though I am going to be a bit disappointed that this game also meant being chopped by townies because I'm preety sure that 85% of the pushes or pushing (aside from Sloonei as he was dying on D3) onto me have come from townies.
And if I'm somehow incorrect? Well its a good time to learn what I should be looking for in the future with post-game analysis.
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Re: Grasslands [Game Thread]
Day has ended!
A new night has arrived
and we will part with
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] gained the most votes.
[mention]nutella[/mention] gained the least votes.
[mention]Thunal33[/mention] was spirited away.
Only two will return.
The grass is always greener in summer...
Night 4 begins
[mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]Hally[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
A new night has arrived
and we will part with
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] gained the most votes.
[mention]nutella[/mention] gained the least votes.
[mention]Thunal33[/mention] was spirited away.
Only two will return.
The grass is always greener in summer...
Night 4 begins
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[mention]Hally[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
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Day 5
Finally, two silhouettes approaches the rest of the group.
One was left behind.
[mention]nutella[/mention] and [mention]Thunal33[/mention] survives.
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] was left behind.
He was a seeker (town).
There was also more death.
[mention]Hally[/mention] was found all dead like on the ground.
They were a seeker (town).
[mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
Finally, two silhouettes approaches the rest of the group.
One was left behind.
[mention]nutella[/mention] and [mention]Thunal33[/mention] survives.
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] was left behind.
He was a seeker (town).
There was also more death.
[mention]Hally[/mention] was found all dead like on the ground.
They were a seeker (town).
[mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
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Damn it I want this to be over
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Maybe I just need to find out who cares about me enough to keep putting me in the grasslands. :P I’m leaning towards Nook as I said in the grasslands but I’ll do some more research and analysis and general work. My first wrong read at the time of the flip this game, yay!
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