Shadow Corridors Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

the thing is that it benefits obliterator to help mafia but mafia need obliterator to help coordinate their shit so they probs are like gonna dunk on obliterator if they get further into the game but obliterator is probably like trying really hard to hide their identity from the mafia but he mafia themselves probs don't particularly need to hide from obliterator maybe?

[MacDougall]

what happens if all the mafia except for obliterator dies? does obliterator just inherit the mafia wincon? I guess so?

[tutuu]

mafia could out their real identity to the obliterator for the sake of teamwork, or they could also lie, or give a list of 3 ppl, or something

and then on top of that the obliterator can also lie themselves when giving back communication to the rest of the mafia

so there are 2 barriers of possible lies when it comes to mafia trying to teamwork

[Alison]

Is tutuu the obliterator?

no, but you are

[Alison]

I think Mac is town and I also believe Thundercat is rhe Obliterator. Change my mind.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.

unless something is racist/sexist etc i dont believe in the concept of unacceptable jokes, sounds silly to me

u should have seen me when i decided to claim wolf every single post for hours and hours as town

It's a good move as sheriff or 3p

[nutella]

I'd like to point out that the obliterator is 100% 112 btw.

wut

[tutuu]

Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.

unless something is racist/sexist etc i dont believe in the concept of unacceptable jokes, sounds silly to me

u should have seen me when i decided to claim wolf every single post for hours and hours as town

It's a good move as sheriff or 3p

even better as VT, trust me

[nutella]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

im so lost

[nutella]

man no wonder sloonei rwstfoed it must fucking suck to have randed mafia in this setup lmfao

[Alison]

I change my mind about Thundercat, I re-read the convo and it isn't actually a turrist tell

[Made]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.

[Master Radishes]

*returns to thread*

*sees confused mech talk*

*leaves thread*

[tutuu]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

im so lost

wow, nutella blatantliny hinting shes the lost wolf. get her boys

what are u lost about? the thing i speculate in this post is all based off of sprityo's post that im quoting

they dont know each other and have chat with the mastermind (implied only with the mastermind due to the way sentence is constructed)

they have provided codenames. why? so the mastermind doesnt know their real identity for sure, in his/hers 4 private chats with them, so there is room for diplomacy/bargaining etc. thats my understanding

[tutuu]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.

i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentence

i suppose i just cant imagine a caht with multiple ppl, all of them having codenames

like, a quick topic chat, where everyone has a code name

whats the point? eh whatevrs, it is also pretty weird for mafia to not even have communication

[Master Radishes]

What if we're all the obliterator

[nutella]

thats so messed up man

[Made]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

depends on if it's singular they or plural they, Tutuu. If singular they, each individual mafia member has btsc with Oblit. If plural they, they (being mafia) have btsc with oblit- which does not mean they don't have btsc with each other as well

[Alison]

all this talk is making me wish I'd randed obliterator

I'd have killed that role

[Alison]

So the host read is that the mafia secret roles are really good to compensate for their setup disadvantages

[Alison]

Where did Made soft tracker?

[tutuu]

So the host read is that the mafia secret roles are really good to compensate for their setup disadvantages

considering jack's flip - so far i dont have this opinion. currently leaning that mafia just got shafted and the host expected town to suck more than it did

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

In the cold of the darkest corridors
Bold roles lay bloodied on linoleum floors
I ain't no mechanic
I see no need to panic
Until they tell me to drop my drawers

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Hardclaiming town drunk

Fight me

[Kylemii]

So here are my relevant reads:

1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.

interesting. can you expand on this

this one is also probably a sloo teammate

Wait did he really ask you to expand on point 8 but not point 9?

MacDougall has suspected me in every game we've played in together in the last 10 years, so I wasn't interested in clarification on that point.

[Kylemii]

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

Get in here @Kylemii, what is this?

what is what?

[Kylemii]

So here are my relevant reads:

1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.

interesting. can you expand on this

this one is also probably a sloo teammate

Wait did he really ask you to expand on point 8 but not point 9?

MacDougall has suspected me in every game we've played in together in the last 10 years, so I wasn't interested in clarification on that point.

not to mention he posted that list immediately following the joke read list I made before reading the thread.

[MacDougall]

I love Kylemii. He's my favourite player who never plays.

[MacDougall]

Man I can't actually clear Nutella if the Mafia don't know who they are. Its basically multiball cuz the Mafia can just scumhunt hard and if they accidentally dunk a teammate it means nothing. This is the shits.

I say we no lynch from here on in and let the jailer decide everything.

[Kylemii]

I'll leave it up to the general public

a) Do you want Mac to spend further time sharing the innumerable interactions between Jack and I that spew me clear?
b) Do you just want me to bury the mafia?

Can't have both.

Carry on.
I really like the take thunderpants just quoted.

Kyle's reptile question was oddly qwerky, seemed tp at the time, but now I feel like a tool.

Thanks Mac.

I'm interested in what exactly you like about thundercat's take? In detail

[MacDougall]

Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

[Kylemii]

I love Kylemii. He's my favourite player who never plays.

I can't tell if this is meant to be a compliment or an insult but I love you too.

[Kylemii]

full disclosure I haven't read anything in the last 20 pages. I'll get to it eventually when I can and when i'm not 1am

[MacDougall]

Not sure how it could be an insult unless you thought i was being sarcastic

[Made]

Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

Seconded
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)

[Made]

Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

Seconded
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)

Potential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisions

[MacDougall]

Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.

Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.

[Alison]

Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

Seconded
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)

Potential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisions

This is my main issue with it.

I sorta want to just exe scummy players and not worry too much about interactions.

[MacDougall]

Alison who are your townreads?

[MacDougall]

Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

Seconded
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)

Potential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisions

This is my main issue with it.

I sorta want to just exe scummy players and not worry too much about interactions.

But how long until we can't use the jailer? Like at some point we're probably gonna run them up and make them claim or the Mafia just cap them. While they exist we should try to leverage it I feel.

[Alison]

Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.

Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.

Voting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.

A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.

[MacDougall]

How exactly does that argument even make sense honestly?

Voting records aren't going to help the jailer anywhere near as much as personal night mason chat will. Voting records are effectively meaningless here.

[Alison]

We can just treat this as Space Invaders 2.0. We agree on a jail pool (eg. NIK, sabie, whoever, whoever) and then the jailor targets whoever they want in that pool and makes a call based on their best judgement.

[MacDougall]

Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.

Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.

Voting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.

A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.

I don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.

[Alison]

How exactly does that argument even make sense honestly?

Voting records aren't going to help the jailer anywhere near as much as personal night mason chat will. Voting records are effectively meaningless here.

Hm.

How sure are we that the mafia don't know each other? The mastermind wants to help mafia win, so they'd have told each mafia member of the other's identities in BTSC right? Like GS actually suggested that the mastermind do that in public, and I roasted him for it. So we know that the mastermind knows about that idea.

[Alison]

Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.

Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.

Voting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.

A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.

I don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.

How's that different from letting the jailor decide?

[MacDougall]

We can just treat this as Space Invaders 2.0. We agree on a jail pool (eg. NIK, sabie, whoever, whoever) and then the jailor targets whoever they want in that pool and makes a call based on their best judgement.

The jailer targeting scummy players isn't necessary because their role is equally strong at clearing town.

[MacDougall]

Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.

Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.

Voting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.

A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.

I don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.

How's that different from letting the jailor decide?

Exactly.

[Alison]

We can just treat this as Space Invaders 2.0. We agree on a jail pool (eg. NIK, sabie, whoever, whoever) and then the jailor targets whoever they want in that pool and makes a call based on their best judgement.

The jailer targeting scummy players isn't necessary because their role is equally strong at clearing town.

How does the jailor's power clear town?

[Alison]

I can see the reasoning behind "ensure that the people making the call on who to jail are 100% town rather than 95% or 90% town" though.