Christmas Time Is Here Again

[Made]

Spoiler: show

(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)

Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.

The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)

I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.

The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important

The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.

What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.

This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.baddie

I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.

The game continues.

this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum

Wow!

I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.

You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend

get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"

I dont understand this post.

I was saying that I thought your post was wordy, and that it was wordy to hide your straight forward point that could make things more confusing later on.. Now that I know about the language gap, I still think that your take is sus, but i'm putting less weight into word choice

dropping this wifom mess, and dropping a vote on [VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

Sorry but i dont hide any straight. This is just you thinking that u are cool saying that or something else cause u didnt give a real reason to say that i'm hiding something o i'm not being clear.

Your vote sound like excuses to me to make a vote. No more, no less.

Confusion benefits baddies, but you are entitled to your opinion Mr. Bad
(fun fact! my name on other website is "made cool"!)

[Made]

cat is a duck, and i do not like that

[Samusamu]

Spoiler: show

this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum

Wow!

I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.

You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend

get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"

I dont understand this post.

I was saying that I thought your post was wordy, and that it was wordy to hide your straight forward point that could make things more confusing later on.. Now that I know about the language gap, I still think that your take is sus, but i'm putting less weight into word choice

dropping this wifom mess, and dropping a vote on [VOTE: samusamu] aubergine

Sorry but i dont hide any straight. This is just you thinking that u are cool saying that or something else cause u didnt give a real reason to say that i'm hiding something o i'm not being clear.

Your vote sound like excuses to me to make a vote. No more, no less.

Confusion benefits baddies, but you are entitled to your opinion Mr. Bad
(fun fact! my name on other website is "made cool"!)

Although in your world calling someone Mr. Bad after accusing him of scum sounds great.

I'll be honest with you and tell you that it doesn't.

Your username isn't something to be proud of either, but look at my avatar, that's something to be proud of.

Now, to say that I look for confusion when my game is based on trying to be understood while being concise with my thoughts is the antithesis of reading my "metagame".

When you have something to say against me that you want to quote and you stop trying to get into other people's heads that my game is confusing quote me.

I'm a little tired of this kind of strategy.

[Kylemii]

3 pages isn't a significant amount of time. most of the posts thus far have been jokes or prods and the few serious posts that have been made have been too long to focus on without sitting down at a computer.

But that isnt neutral

how would you define neutral

In a mafia game, someone who dont want to give his real opinion tbh.

Or someone who didnt read a thing. U can only be neutral if u are a town before the game starts...

ah. that's not my definition

Well lets stop this, will you say me something more useful than the neutral thought ?

probably not

[mewtini]

brb reading everything as i haven't been here since p#20

what'd i miss. how's everyone's night (or day)

[Alison]

It's my birthday so I won't be super active. I'll try to check in once or twice. Based on page 1:

Syn, Wilgy, GS and Samu are strong townreads. Sig is scum for the defensive tone when being attacked early and the excessive focus on mechanics at the start.

[mewtini]

catching up still but

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

i'm from a small forum (the cave of dragonflies) and play on MU occasionally; heard about the syndicate through my tcod/MU friend keldeo, though i'm not sure if he actually hangs around here himself. (was there anything else you wanted to know ... ?)

@Alison happy birthday!!

[Alison]

oh....so coal is just a straight negative... ight doesn't change the null wilgy read, but it does change the flavor of wifom.

I thought the coal turned into a gift the next day...which when you say it out loud, sounds pretty silly

I'm not ready to accept this as a derp clear.

[Alison]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Sloonie my dear, what are you're thoughts on shots and my back and forth with Samu

you are both town

Expand on your sig read.

[Alison]

Who's telling cat things?

There's not been a word 'tween he and I
But cat's belief could be TMI

And of all the posts that have been played
The towniest, to me, is Made.

This post is pretty townie.

[Alison]

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

I'm not a fan of Made suspecting Samu. I think Samu is pretty obviously town and it's very easy to see that.

Samu
GS
Syn
Wilgy
[everyone else]
Made
Sig

I'm off now.

[sig]

It's my birthday so I won't be super active. I'll try to check in once or twice. Based on page 1:

Syn, Wilgy, GS and Samu are strong townreads. Sig is scum for the defensive tone when being attacked early and the excessive focus on mechanics at the start.

.....

Mechanics is literally how night kills are decided this game, it baffles me nobody else seems to care to talk about it. Plus it's not like we have any other content to go off of.

Also I'm not really being that defensive and it isn't even over the vote.

[sig]

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

[sig]

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

[mewtini]

up through end of page 2,

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

i was under the impression that the bulk of the pushback had more to do with the inactive/noposter sacrifice proposition than actually focusing on the mech itself

[mewtini]

in particular because of how early into the phase it was
felt like priming to me even though i think i agree it is a town-important thing to talk about at some point, esp considering that it's unholsterable; setting up an inactive kill felt like a strange move right out of the gate

quickly noting here that i don't play by making true scumreads on d1

[mewtini]

catching up still but

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

i'm from a small forum (the cave of dragonflies) and play on MU occasionally; heard about the syndicate through my tcod/MU friend keldeo, though i'm not sure if he actually hangs around here himself. (was there anything else you wanted to know ... ?)

@kyle sorry i just got to your later post, adding on because i don't think i realized what you were actually asking the first time round;

no one ever gives a clear answer when they're asked about their play history anymore

my home forum typically plays very chatty semilarge (~15p) closed-setup role madness games. i've played somewhere around 10 games now, but the last several have been as half of a hydra slot (though not necessarily in actual hydra games; most of them were just me/my partner participating in an otherwise-normal game). i've also only been playing since early this year

i also suspect i'm used to slightly less-aggressive play than i'm seeing here, and although i primarily play via psychoanalysis i'm used to playing with relatively mech-focused people

[mewtini]

This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

[Syn]

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

It's literally a second lynch if used properly, if used improperly it'll totally fuck up town. We already know mafia can only give it to themselves once. Which means town is instantly at an advantage if we force this conversation into the open it takes all the power from the mafia for every phase except for one

Somebody explain to me why this isn't something we should be focused on

I don't actually think this is important enough to coordinate over

Most people go for a POE shot anyway

I will generally agree that maybe wolves wouldn't want hero shots going off, but POE clearing is also something they wouldn't want

more importantly, our debating about optimal gift play will directly influence wolf planning, as inevitably someone will "figure it out" and hand the optimal strategy to the wolves on a silver platter

[Kylemii]

catching up still but

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

i'm from a small forum (the cave of dragonflies) and play on MU occasionally; heard about the syndicate through my tcod/MU friend keldeo, though i'm not sure if he actually hangs around here himself. (was there anything else you wanted to know ... ?)

@kyle sorry i just got to your later post, adding on because i don't think i realized what you were actually asking the first time round;

no one ever gives a clear answer when they're asked about their play history anymore

my home forum typically plays very chatty semilarge (~15p) closed-setup role madness games. i've played somewhere around 10 games now, but the last several have been as half of a hydra slot (though not necessarily in actual hydra games; most of them were just me/my partner participating in an otherwise-normal game). i've also only been playing since early this year

i also suspect i'm used to slightly less-aggressive play than i'm seeing here, and although i primarily play via psychoanalysis i'm used to playing with relatively mech-focused people

amazing, thank you

[Kylemii]

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

good lol

dnd is cancelled tonight so i will read the series of essays

Samu
GS
Syn
Wilgy
[everyone else]
Made
Sig

I'm off now.

what is this a list of?

[Kylemii]

you jerks forcing me to break my rule of not reading the roles post until day 2

[Kylemii]

i'm going to get killed and it's going to be Sig and Samusamu's fault for letting me get cursed with bad luck for breaking my rule

[sig]

up through end of page 2,

I really don't get why everyone here seems to not give a damn about the gift function.

i was under the impression that the bulk of the pushback had more to do with the inactive/noposter sacrifice proposition than actually focusing on the mech itself

That seemed to be part ofthe issue with samu, but Allison just didn't like the mech talked.

[sig]

If nobody else thinks it's good to discuss shots ect and leave it to the individual I'll roll with it. Buuuuuut, I want it noted for post game that I'm firmly against so I can do a "I told you so"

[Kylemii]

Sig brings up mechanics basically right away immediately. i don't really understand what hero shooting means in this context, but that may be because i haven't read the rules or roles page. bringing up the idea of lynching non-posters at a point in the day where non-posters might not even be a thing is, maybe the most suspicious thing. samusamus seems to latch onto that. says sig is sus for trying to talk about lynching nonposters and something, he says that um.... ok at this part it seems to me like samu has a misunderstanding about the nature of the "gift" thing because they talk about how the person who recieves a gift could waste time during the day by talking about who they should target with it, but that doesn't seem to be how the feature works. sig responds to this asking if samu read the rules, and then accuses him of trying to twist his words. at this point they just sort of talk past each other a bunch without stopping to consider what the other one is saying, bunch of syntactical bullshit. i missed this before but sig accuses of samusamu of TMI as well which is a strange interesting interpretation. i think there is an element of language barrier involved in this chain of discussion. what is hero shooting and why is it relevant here?

i don't remember sig being this intense before. i think gth between the two players involved, sig looks worse, with a possibility of this being a dumb day 1 thing where civs just yell paragraphs at each other for no reason.

[mewtini]

glad that you mention the tmi thing because i haven't figured out where it actually comes from

do you have thoughts on Made?

[Kylemii]

with all that said, sig is right.

if a consensus is made the gift thing essentially allows us essentially a second lynch. that seems important to at least acknowledge. if we can come to a consensus on who to target at night then that limits the mafia's ability to pick and choose who dies and offsets their nightkill by a lot.

but that's like... all the discussion it needs. just a "hey let's agree to shoot at the runner up" or something. "let's all aim our guns at sloonei tonight because he's sus"

[Kylemii]

this game might be extremely short if there's 3 deaths per round

[Kylemii]

glad that you mention the tmi thing because i haven't figured out where it actually comes from

do you have thoughts on Made?

hmmmm

Like: he seems to say stuff that i agree with which is automatically good

Dislike: similarly to Sig i don't like that he jumped on Samu like he did.

[Kylemii]

i'm not missing something am i? it just seems to me like a clear communication issue

[mewtini]

no i think that's legit, i was just curious. i vaguely mentioned it before that i thought the tonality was slightly different, and that made maybe pings me more strongly, but i need to read back and figure out whether or not it was because i was skimming. wanted to see if you'd picked up on it since i think your read on sig/samu ~matches my own and because i'm lazy right now.

[Alison]

This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

I think scum GS would have a hard time keeping up the gimmick while engaging with the game and giving reads. Your hedge on sig is noted.

Syn is pretty low energy as scum. His entrance was townie.

[Alison]

Kylemii is townie. Very transparent thought processes.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Sloonie my dear, what are you're thoughts on shots and my back and forth with Samu

you are both town

Okay, then who isn't?

You, kyle, and mewtini

[cat]

I guess everyone is to busy adulting or something.

But. I do have a few ideas regarding gifts, so from the rules it sounds like mafia give them out, but we don't know who got it.. This is gonna further muddy the waters paired with coal.

I don't think hero shooting is necessarily the best way to approach it until mid game, before mid game and once we get closer to end game it would probably make the most sense if everyone targeted the same person. That would insure town has more control over the game and we're not just hitting random people.

I'd also say for n1 we just target people who haven't shown up yet. I'm never really a fan of lynching non posters I think its a good way for mafia to blend and not have responsibility, but given that these are kills i think it may make the most sense to trim the fat early

Ññññ.

Too early to talk about lynching non poster.

I was thinking about the hero shooting thing.

I conclude that i dont care meanwhile that person can explain the shot and that explanation sound legit to me in day 1/2.

Saying hey i have a shot lets talk to decide who should we shot its a good and easy way for deepwolfing.

This post sounds to me like preparing the ground for the scenario where a scum is given the shot and can easily spend half a day just talking about the shot and not giving an opinion.

You post like a mafia .

Did you read the rules?

Since that scenario just isn't feasible, everyone submits a shot nobody knows who got the shot except for mafia.

There's no way to really discuss it in the sense of I have a shot who should I shoot, sinfe nobody knows who's gonna get one.

Mafia have one shot per the rules, so why you're so quick to say I'm mafia for trying to come up with a game plan is rather scummy actually.


Also if anything talking about the shots is by far one of the easiest ways to catch mafia, it's essentially just a second lynch for town if used correctly, not talking about it is gonna make everything murky and more difficult for town.

He's town don't fight him you will lose.

[cat]

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

I Refuse.

[cat]

cat, wilgy, Syn, Alison, kyle, and falcon all played in Simpsons. Just stating this for their information, if there was any valuable meta business in that game.

what? who was who in that game

Lisa Simpson was my town game. Pool #1 was my scum game. These are my only two games here.

[cat]

cat is a duck, and i do not like that

It's a goose.
I don't like you being wrong .
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Cat might be bad instead of kyle

[Syn]

cat is a duck, and i do not like that

It's a goose.
I don't like you being wrong .
[VOTE: Made] aubergine

that's even worse

[Syn]

game state is relatively slow atm. The only things that really amounted to "substance" was the language confusion with samu and then sig going hardcore for a couple hours there lol

[Syn]

let's shake things up

[Syn]

@Sloonei! J'accuse!

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei! J'accuse!

Feliz navidad

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Sloonie my dear, what are you're thoughts on shots and my back and forth with Samu

you are both town

Expand on your sig read.

The aggression shown by both sig and samu right out of the gate felt like two civilians who thought they’d caught mafiers.

[Sloonei]

If nobody else thinks it's good to discuss shots ect and leave it to the individual I'll roll with it. Buuuuuut, I want it noted for post game that I'm firmly against so I can do a "I told you so"

Do you have a strategy to propose?

[Kylemii]

Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves

I Refuse.

you're the only person in this town that I respect

[Kylemii]

anyone with a Christmas themed avatar is immune to my vote and my gun for day 1 :mongoose:

[Sloonei]

That's... me.