Bike [END]

[Marmot]

immediately grabs all of Mister Radish's posts to disprove Long Con's theory

[tutuu]

[yin, they]

all scum have talked at this point, we will be locking in grogu as town.

Was this your intuition?

[Long Con]

I think this is tutuu's reason for voting Radishes... because he said "Tutuu pls don't be a wolf. "

Spoiler: show

Didn’t like their “scum haven’t posted yet”

Yeah I think dizzy and by extension radishes are town

Someone else too but I’d have to look and I’m not going to rn

I'm not very sure on Radish tbh. I more so want him to be town. It's still early.

Wondering why @tutuu is reading Radish scummy though (?)

I was going to defend tutuu because I wuv her, but this

Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly.

is exactly my thought process/reaction when I rand scum and get caught early for stupid reasons.

Tutuu pls don't be a wolf.

I think I desire to scumread this post. I'm not sure how genuine I believe is Master Radishes presenting himself as sad at the idea of having to scumread and vote me. Other people who have known me didn't present themselves as sad at the thought of being wrong, and depending on the person and the context that could be towny.

With that in mind, I talked myself into townreading Marmot (since he is so wrong and so confident in his wrongness on me) and I am going to put Master Radishes in red.

"Tutuu pls dont be wolf puppy eyes emoji" - I decided that that could be disgenuine.

Epi has the other vote... I asked him about it but he's not back for maybe 20 or so hours?

[Long Con]

immediately grabs all of Mister Radish's posts to disprove Long Con's theory

Damn grabby marmot paws.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I got distracted with tomb raider

I tentatively think seanzie is town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That solves what half the game? Not bad tbh

Now I’m gonna coast the rest of d1

[Guillotine]

► Show Spoiler

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

Jay is hosting and you think those things are possible smh

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don’t think this is a good read

No? Then explain this.

It’s not trying to create confusion it’s just wrong

Then explain why you are shaking your head off to her mechanics ridiculous speculation

Wolves come up with better ideas

Wisdom or the lack of is not alignment indicative though.

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

FoS

Dyx
MasterRadishes

Have you explained your thoughts on these people? If not, can you?

I haven't and I can't be arse to do so now, but I will. Im too tired to case them.

[Long Con]

Spoiler: show

Wolves come up with better ideas

Wisdom or the lack of is not alignment indicative though.

► Show Spoiler

Wolves come up with better ideas

Wisdom or the lack of is not alignment indicative though.

Wow, I did not know about the other kind of spoiler. I don't like it. Good night!

[snowmelts]

[dissociating, no pronouns]

Was this your intuition?

i can't answer for yin but from my perspective, there could be several other reasons:

- as a conduit for interactions, given that it invoked both us and grogu who was similarly silent at once
- for a game that is supposed to have minimal mechanical intrigue (which i would interpret as not many PRs), there are an awful lot of players with an apparent agenda...?
- the math supports it as an arbitrary decision

i will say that i haven't known yin to say or do things purely based on intuition, no, but as with any other existence it's an integral part of their decision making process, i think? regardless i'll trust their judgement, we're running the grogu gambit until something makes us reconsider.

[tutuu]

Alright thanks.

I lie -- some basic information:

48/24 cycles
Two factions only
Minimal but non-zero mechanical intrigue

Fwiw, I parsed "mechanical intrigue" as deception, not as the existence of mechanics. Heist games (such as this) have maximum 3 non-vanilla roles, the rest can be either vanilla or non-vanilla.
So I think "intrigue" was revealed in the sign-up thread so the game isn't bastard / town is prepared.

If godfathers/millers are too much for Jay, perhaps Town Tracker and Mafia 1-shot Ninja or something could be it.

[tutuu]

@snowmelts Could I ask you some questions to satisfy my curiosity? Forgive me if any of them are tone-deaf.

When you say [dissociating] - does that mean you are dissociating from all the other personalities?

Does the person with, let's say, "yin" pronouns have memories of the posts made by the person with, say, "fae" pronouns? What about thoughts?

[snowmelts]

[dissociating] (no pronouns as in do not use any pronouns please)

yin is their name, not their pronouns (which are they/them). if we are dissociating it just means we are depersonalised/derealised to the extent that there cannot be a complete understanding of who it is that is in control of the body, but it does not mean there cannot be a partial one i.e. i know i'm not yin but that is not enough to know who i am.

and each of us are more than different personalities. the best example i think of offhand is that one of us named eleora has BPD, and her personality is fluid and unstable as a result, but her thoughts, hopes, dreams and hobbies among many other things are hers alone, they are not things that can be confined to a personality, they are a part of her identity. the name of the diagnosis was changed from multiple personality disorder to 'dissociative identity disorder' to reflect as much.

memories being shared or not isn't something any of us can predict or understand, i feel? but i did not know yin made that post until i read the thread to that point and memory gaps like that are something i'd expect to be a common occurrence in this format. we are using notes as a means of communication to facilitate understanding in place of memories, but that is something that is a regular part of our lives, it is not exclusive to this game.

[snowmelts]

[dissociating, no pronouns]

on a related note i am positionally forced to townread tutuu here for reasons i do not believe it would be a good idea to explain.

[tutuu]

Very interesting, thanks!

[Master Radishes]

Every time I am mentioned my power grows stronger.

[Master Radishes]

Wait, not my power.


My ego.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Epi probably town not confident, ask me again D3

LC probably town I think

Tutu town dizzy town radishes town tsp town

I’ll look at seanzie later think he might be town

Can’t read marmot at all

I got distracted with tomb raider

I tentatively think seanzie is town

Putting these in one place so I can find them easier later

13 players so it’s...what, eight locks for auto? Sounds right

Guess I’m a bit behind at 5.5, I’ll have to fill in the rest d2

I’m actually moving snow to a lock town too, maybe it’s just cause I’m tired, idc, locking them (?) in

So 6.5

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I know I’m still voting them but I haven’t decided who I want to move to

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nvm grogu hasn’t posted yet I’m flipping to them

Always gonna kill zero posters D1 if I don’t have a confident scum read

[Long Con]

Historically, that's been a bad idea.

[Dyslexicon]

I was pulling the quotes for dizzy mainly, and I added my own thoughts


Overall there is a huge tonal shift, as Dizzy described. But I don't understand the reason behind it. One thing that I do think is different in this game is that you took some sus early on, which is something I don't think that generally happens with you.

I want to go back to this. Were you trying to suggest that Tutu might've had a tonal shift because they were accused/distrusted by more people early this game?

[Dyslexicon]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

[Dyslexicon]

Wait, not my power.


My ego.

You're turning into Super Ego?

[Dyslexicon]

Nvm grogu hasn’t posted yet I’m flipping to them

Always gonna kill zero posters D1 if I don’t have a confident scum read

Lame. It's a very meh yeet if they flip town, and also a meh yeet if the flip scum (except yay cause scum).
I didn't know you liked the yeet lurkers on D1 strategy.
I think we should aim higher, and the no activity may not be a problem for the rest of the day, depending.

I would like to hear who you've taken our of your PoE so far and why.

[TonyStarkPrime]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

[Dyslexicon]

I'm not really meaning to focus a lot on Tutu. I'm not interested in yeeting her this day at all. There's a very good chance she's town, and in that case it's also very good that she's actively involved and solving, and I trust her skills with that.

@Epignosis, you've been poking around a lot. Do you have any direction or any gains from that? Would like to know where you're at.

Feels like kind of a flat game tbh.

[Long Con]

He's not back till tonight, he said.

What do you think of snowmelts' shtick? I don't know how to interpret it, and I don't understand why it's happening.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think Nanook is a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

It brings me no pleasure to report this

[Dyslexicon]

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

I don't believe in "wolves don't do that" (mostly). I've changed tone deliberately as scum many, many times before. But I used to change my tone a lot, and it also depends a lot on my overall mood anyway.

But, for Tutu, you may be right. If her last couple of town games also have been more hearts and hyper, which is what I'm more used to, then I don't necessarily see that she needs to change her tone for this game as scum.

A wise player in my home community once said that tone reads never work. I'm inclined to say they are at least very fallible. I don't know what you perceive as scummy in Tutu's posts otherwise. I'm not seeing the same. She's gathering town reads and sorting at a rapid pace, which is what I've seen her doing as town.

I guess I'm content to just assume her town for now. Seems we see things differently though, which also isn't a problem.

[Dyslexicon]

I think Nanook is a wolf

That is spicy and interesting.
I had the opposite impression, and I do have a reason for it. But I would like to hear why you think this.

[Dyslexicon]

He's not back till tonight, he said.

What do you think of snowmelts' shtick? I don't know how to interpret it, and I don't understand why it's happening.

I don't think much about the shtick. I'm impatient that there is not much game content I can glean from their posts. So I'm waiting for that.

[Dyslexicon]

I have a good impression of Tony. He seems relaxed and at the same time it seems like he does comment on whatever he cares about. I've only seen him as scum once, but it was quite a contrast as he seemed much more put on.

[Dyslexicon]

What if we made a Made wagon?

@Made You should come in and solve the game, or else we will yeet you.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Biiiiicycle, biiiicycle, biiiiicycle


I want to ride my bicycle

Spoiler: show

I want to ride my bike

[Master Radishes]

...

But, for Tutu, you may be right. If her last couple of town games also have been more hearts and hyper, which is what I'm more used to, then I don't necessarily see that she needs to change her tone for this game as scum.

...

I guess I'm content to just assume her town for now.

This is where I'm at with tutuu tbh. Not sure why scum!tutuu chooses to change her usual tone, but I can see why town!anyone might try it out one game.

Imma call it NAI and evaluate her based on other things.

(I've been too lazy to look for those Other Things so far, though.)

[Master Radishes]

Man that was a lot of hard thinking. I'm exhausted. Time to take a break from this game.

[Long Con]

He's not back till tonight, he said.

What do you think of snowmelts' shtick? I don't know how to interpret it, and I don't understand why it's happening.

I don't think much about the shtick. I'm impatient that there is not much game content I can glean from their posts. So I'm waiting for that.

They're having trouble with the insularity of the group. That, I can understand, I've been there. tutuu interacted directly with snow, and snow ended up with a read. That's probably a good route to go to help them develop reads.

[tutuu]

He's not back till tonight, he said.

What do you think of snowmelts' shtick? I don't know how to interpret it, and I don't understand why it's happening.

It's not a shtick, they said that they have dissociative identity disorder.

[Long Con]

He's not back till tonight, he said.

What do you think of snowmelts' shtick? I don't know how to interpret it, and I don't understand why it's happening.

It's not a shtick, they said that they have dissociative identity disorder.

Oh I see! I thought that was the shtick. My bad.

[Long Con]

So your conversation should have been in OT green than.

[tutuu]

There are 500 posts in the thread and Master Radishes is yet to make a single read. I invite anyone to read his ISO and prove me otherwise. I believe that is scummy for a player of his caliber.

[Long Con]

I think I looked at his ISO yesterday and found that it was mostly Day 0 fluff? I was drinking so possible fogginess on the subject.

[Master Radishes]

There are 500 posts in the thread and Master Radishes is yet to make a single read. I invite anyone to read his ISO and prove me otherwise. I believe that is scummy for a player of his caliber.

*ego grows*

[Dyslexicon]

There are 500 posts in the thread and Master Radishes is yet to make a single read. I invite anyone to read his ISO and prove me otherwise. I believe that is scummy for a player of his caliber.

I believe you are wrong.

I don't really get your obsession with Radish tbh. He often has a slow start, and I believe he said he would be busy in the signups anyway.

Which reminds me, @snowmelts You said something about Radish. Was this a defence of them, as in you didn't see how their behavior fit into a scum narrative? Did I read that correctly.

[Master Radishes]

I don't really get your obsession with Radish tbh.

I have that effect on people.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't really get your obsession with Radish tbh.

I have that effect on people.

[Marmot]

I was pulling the quotes for dizzy mainly, and I added my own thoughts


Overall there is a huge tonal shift, as Dizzy described. But I don't understand the reason behind it. One thing that I do think is different in this game is that you took some sus early on, which is something I don't think that generally happens with you.

I want to go back to this. Were you trying to suggest that Tutu might've had a tonal shift because they were accused/distrusted by more people early this game?

Looking back at Page 1, tutuu did share an exchange with sean where they quote the Office. Epignosis called them teammates for it, and said he'd vote sean today. If tutuu came into this game with the plan that she was going to be 100% serious battlefield mode, she did permit herself a joking exchange with someone she's never played with before, and my first guess for the reason behind it is that they're teammates. open-wolfing.

I could be wrong about this being their first game together, but it is sean's first game on the Syndicate.

That moment is the moment from my perspective where tutuu's tone shifted,.

[Marmot]

There are 500 posts in the thread and Master Radishes is yet to make a single read. I invite anyone to read his ISO and prove me otherwise. I believe that is scummy for a player of his caliber.

Technically he gave Guillotine a townread, but that was probably a joke.