Bike [END]

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

[Guillotine]

The reason why I have you in orange is because you've been tunneling a town the whole day phase. No other reason. I'm not misrepresenting your tone or any other stuff regarding the way you choose to play the game, unlike you are doing to me.

Tutu, I literally don't have one single scum read. I'm not tunnelling anyone. If I'm tunnelling someone, I will give you a written notice, you can be sure of it. Me in champs finals on Phighter. That was me tunnelling. I'm trying to figure out your alignment because I'm used to instantly think you're town, and in this game I didn't have that feeling.

Who is the "town" in question Tutu? how do you know the player is town? Did you get a N0 check or something?

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

It is me. Incredibly stupid post.

Aaah. I havent been paying attention. Incredibly stupid indeed.

How you I unvote here?

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Going back to this then

[Guillotine]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I'm not sold on town!Tutuu, but I'm going to trust Nanook and Tutuu for today. Guillotine does not look good to me though, so this seems like a good place for my vote.

It's fine. But I control my reads and I will not submit to peer pressure to post them, besides, I will not get yeeted today.

[Epignosis]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

[tutuu]

The reason why I have you in orange is because you've been tunneling a town the whole day phase. No other reason. I'm not misrepresenting your tone or any other stuff regarding the way you choose to play the game, unlike you are doing to me.

Tutu, I literally don't have one single scum read. I'm not tunnelling anyone. If I'm tunnelling someone, I will give you a written notice, you can be sure of it. Me in champs finals on Phighter. That was me tunnelling. I'm trying to figure out your alignment because I'm used to instantly think you're town, and in this game I didn't have that feeling.

Who is the "town" in question Tutu? how do you know the player is town? Did you get a N0 check or something?

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

It is me. Incredibly stupid post.

Aaah. I havent been paying attention. Incredibly stupid indeed.

How you I unvote here?

Probably towny. I don't think it's common for a wolf to pay so little attention and make nonsensical posts like the one earlier in the quote chain. Unless on purpose. I have no reason to believe Guillotine would make a post like that as wolf on purpose in this situation. Usually it's townies who make contradictory or nonsensical posts since they are not liars. So, another reason for me to townread him.

[Marmot]

To be fair, I'm the one hounding tutuu, and that is an Alison strategy you've quoted.

What? You accused her of smearing you.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

Yea, this is ridiculous. You were the first one to scumread me. Because that's what you did. Only one of us can scumread the other one first. After this fact, I can't go back in time and make it so you didn't scumread me first. Human communication isn't simultaneous (both people talking at the same time), they take turns talking.

I don't understand, what are you calling ridiculous??

Your accusation boils down to "I scumread tutuu first and she scumread me second, therefore she is mafia". It is ridiculous to accuse me of not having a time machine and making it so that I scumread you first.

I'm not accusing you of anything here though.

[tutuu]

I think Dizzy was pretty towny in his interactions with me as well. It's hard/impossible to verbalize it once again since he knows how to do a lot of stuff as wolf.

[Epignosis]

Why wouldn't you? Tell me more about Dizzy. Also, I really do want to hear about Guillotine.

Dyslexicon seems at ease, has no discernible agenda (except something to do with Marmot's hair, as I gather), and would be a bad Day 1 lynch in general.

And, at the risk of appearing vain, Dyslexicon wants me in the thread and not working all the time.

[tutuu]

I'm not accusing you of anything here though.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

[tutuu]

my PoE is MR, TSP, juliets and Made.

[Guillotine]

I'm gonna be honest. I havent kept up to what's going on in the thread since yesterday. I've been slightly unmotivated for OOG reasons.

I'm aware that my behavior is kinda of game throwing, I just need some time off. I wanna keep playing but if you need to policy yeet me, I won't hold it against you.

I will be back if you give me some time though.

[Seanzie]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Calling a guillotine vote

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

[Guillotine]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

Until you met me. I'm very detailed and articulated.

[tutuu]

I'm gonna be honest. I havent kept up to what's going on in the thread since yesterday. I've been slightly unmotivated for OOG reasons.

I'm aware that my behavior is kinda of game throwing, I just need some time off. I wanna keep playing but if you need to policy yeet me, I won't hold it against you.

I will be back if you give me some time though.

If this is in response to me calling your post nonsensical - this is not the reaction that I was aiming to get. I am not calling your gameplay gamethrowy. I am calling a post what it is. If you are town, I still managed to correctly analyze it and townread you off of it, so.

[Marmot]

I'm not accusing you of anything here though.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

I'm recalling past events, there's no new accusation. That's my point.

[Seanzie]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

Haha, you and I will probably butt heads then. I am often very verbose.

[Guillotine]

I'm gonna be honest. I havent kept up to what's going on in the thread since yesterday. I've been slightly unmotivated for OOG reasons.

I'm aware that my behavior is kinda of game throwing, I just need some time off. I wanna keep playing but if you need to policy yeet me, I won't hold it against you.

I will be back if you give me some time though.

If this is in response to me calling your post nonsensical - this is not the reaction that I was aiming to get. I am not calling your gameplay gamethrowy. I am calling a post what it is. If you are town, I still managed to correctly analyze it and townread you off of it, so.

No, it wasn't, you are good.

I'll be back in 12 hours. I promise. Cheers guys

[tutuu]

I'm not accusing you of anything here though.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

I'm recalling past events, there's no new accusation. That's my point.

I am clearly calling your accusation ridiculous regardless of the timing of it. There is no point for you to nitpick so much.

[Marmot]

I'm not accusing you of anything here though.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

I'm recalling past events, there's no new accusation. That's my point.

I am clearly calling your accusation ridiculous regardless of the timing of it. There is no point for you to nitpick so much.

[Marmot]

Oops, I meant to use

[Epignosis]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

I don't know what you're criticizing me of. I am talking about Guillotine and now talking to Guillotine.

I am trying to figure you out, and what I meant by my comment to tutuu is that you are providing me that opportunity and doing so in a way that indicates to me that you are trying to figure me out.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

Until you met me. I'm very detailed and articulated.

Detailed and articulated is not the same thing as verbose.

[Long Con]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

But supertowns get the most posts in most games, don't they?

[Seanzie]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

I don't know what you're criticizing me of. I am talking about Guillotine and now talking to Guillotine.

I am trying to figure you out, and what I meant by my comment to tutuu is that you are providing me that opportunity and doing so in a way that indicates to me that you are trying to figure me out.

I'm saying I didn't like your answer to my question here:

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

I asked you about Guillotine and you said you wouldn't, then did the thing where you point something out, but expect me to fill in the blanks with the actual interpretation of what you pointed out. It is an over-explaination, so does that mean you are scumreading him for it, or...?

You followed up on this since then, and I appreciate your answers after-the-fact, but in general I don't like it when people post things but don't provide an analysis of what they are posting. I need to guess about your feelings for Guillotine from your post, and of course my guess on your feelings will always be swayed by my interpretations of Guillotine. This makes it hard for me to read you based on what you say about Guillotine since you are leaving blanks to be filled in. This is a common tactic in politics in order to avoid upsetting anyone; leave blanks so each person can fill in what you are saying with what they want to hear.

[Long Con]

Calling a guillotine vote

How does that work, is this like a Call To Action? Does it usually happen on a whim, or with some backup reasoning?

[TonyStarkPrime]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

[Long Con]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

I don't know what you're criticizing me of. I am talking about Guillotine and now talking to Guillotine.

I am trying to figure you out, and what I meant by my comment to tutuu is that you are providing me that opportunity and doing so in a way that indicates to me that you are trying to figure me out.

I'm saying I didn't like your answer to my question here:

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

I asked you about Guillotine and you said you wouldn't, then did the thing where you point something out, but expect me to fill in the blanks with the actual interpretation of what you pointed out. It is an over-explaination, so does that mean you are scumreading him for it, or...?

You followed up on this since then, and I appreciate your answers after-the-fact, but in general I don't like it when people post things but don't provide an analysis of what they are posting. I need to guess about your feelings for Guillotine from your post, and of course my guess on your feelings will always be swayed by my interpretations of Guillotine. This makes it hard for me to read you based on what you say about Guillotine since you are leaving blanks to be filled in. This is a common tactic in politics in order to avoid upsetting anyone; leave blanks so each person can fill in what you are saying with what they want to hear.

Wen Epi said "I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not", I think that was a joke because he used Guillo's words to you earlier there.

[TonyStarkPrime]

What did you guys have for dinner and/or your most recent meal

this reminds me to eat

[Seanzie]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

I don't know what you're criticizing me of. I am talking about Guillotine and now talking to Guillotine.

I am trying to figure you out, and what I meant by my comment to tutuu is that you are providing me that opportunity and doing so in a way that indicates to me that you are trying to figure me out.

I'm saying I didn't like your answer to my question here:

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

I asked you about Guillotine and you said you wouldn't, then did the thing where you point something out, but expect me to fill in the blanks with the actual interpretation of what you pointed out. It is an over-explaination, so does that mean you are scumreading him for it, or...?

You followed up on this since then, and I appreciate your answers after-the-fact, but in general I don't like it when people post things but don't provide an analysis of what they are posting. I need to guess about your feelings for Guillotine from your post, and of course my guess on your feelings will always be swayed by my interpretations of Guillotine. This makes it hard for me to read you based on what you say about Guillotine since you are leaving blanks to be filled in. This is a common tactic in politics in order to avoid upsetting anyone; leave blanks so each person can fill in what you are saying with what they want to hear.

Wen Epi said "I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not", I think that was a joke because he used Guillo's words to you earlier there.

Oh, perhaps I missed the humor:/

[Long Con]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

It looks like an over-explanation indeed, is it alignment indicative?

Guilty people tend to be more verbose than the innocent. That's an observation I've held for years.

But supertowns get the most posts in most games, don't they?

I'm talking about economy of language, not number of posts. Guilty people tend to talk like politicians and use longwinded and ambiguous language to qualify and conceal.

[TonyStarkPrime]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

remember that carotte gif in the game where the wolf team was carotte, 112, and 1612? Was that abdimals? Something where we chopped a wolf on day one and then everyone in the town decided to stop playing

[tutuu]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

remember that carotte gif in the game where the wolf team was carotte, 112, and 1612? Was that abdimals? Something where we chopped a wolf on day one and then everyone in the town decided to stop playing

Day 1 wolf chops result in wolf wins more so than town wins.

[TonyStarkPrime]

There is no logical sense to continue tunneling the read that two people roleplaying The Office at the start of day 0 is w/w indicative. Sure, it could be w/w, but Epi, if you are town, you are simply tunneling it because you don't want to be wrong, and you want to feel good that you were right about it. So you are confirmation biasing everything else to continue convincing yourself that me and Seanzie are w/w because you want your brain to reward you with the dopamine of "i caught two wolves so easily and so fast, gottem".

No, I have been tamed by the Monoamine oxidase A of "You fucked up yet another win for the civilians again, you fool."

My vote is not set in stone. I'm appreciating the dialogue Seanzie and I are having right now.

To be honest, I find the dialogue lacking. You don't want to speak about Guillotine, and instead opted to highlight something that I have already commented on regarding them, and didn't give an explanation for that highlight. I don't like it when people do that, it asks the reader to fill in the blanks. Since I am trying to read you, not your messages, if I fill in the blanks, of course you will come off as town, because I am town. Instead I'd prefer to see how you fill in the blanks.

So far, I have been unimpressed with your content tbh. I feel like wolf prey right now, and I hope you can convince me I am not.

I don't know what you're criticizing me of. I am talking about Guillotine and now talking to Guillotine.

I am trying to figure you out, and what I meant by my comment to tutuu is that you are providing me that opportunity and doing so in a way that indicates to me that you are trying to figure me out.

I'm saying I didn't like your answer to my question here:

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

I asked you about Guillotine and you said you wouldn't, then did the thing where you point something out, but expect me to fill in the blanks with the actual interpretation of what you pointed out. It is an over-explaination, so does that mean you are scumreading him for it, or...?

You followed up on this since then, and I appreciate your answers after-the-fact, but in general I don't like it when people post things but don't provide an analysis of what they are posting. I need to guess about your feelings for Guillotine from your post, and of course my guess on your feelings will always be swayed by my interpretations of Guillotine. This makes it hard for me to read you based on what you say about Guillotine since you are leaving blanks to be filled in. This is a common tactic in politics in order to avoid upsetting anyone; leave blanks so each person can fill in what you are saying with what they want to hear.

ok I didn't see it the first time but I laughed when I read it here

[TonyStarkPrime]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

yes.

[tutuu]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

But you aren't scumreading me because of that, are you? In your mind I'm scum because, what was it again, I didn't explain my Marmot meta townread the way you would have found satisfactory? (I am simply trying to help you out here. Since I am town and I am confident you are town. So I am aware of your confirmation bias, so I can point it out in advance, see if I can help you get rid of it.)

[Seanzie]

How many games has Tutuu been wolf, and how long has it been since Tutuu was wolf?

[tutuu]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

yes.

Wrong, but I am still town. And it's a lie that I shifted it as a result of the suspicion.

[Epignosis]

Oh, perhaps I missed the humor:/

Yeah, the initial line was a joke.

Still, I think that ended up being productive.

So now I [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine just because I owe the little rat bastard.

[tutuu]

How many games has Tutuu been wolf, and how long has it been since Tutuu was wolf?

One in the last few years. Here is my ISO from it: search.php?author_id=737&t=1972

Since then I have had nothing but town games where people repeatedly scumread me because they don't like they way I talk.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

yes.

Wrong, but I am still town. And it's a lie that I shifted it as a result of the suspicion.

ehhhh, it's hard to say conclusively from our pov that it's a lie

and hmm

[Long Con]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

yes.

She's only had one wolf game here and you didn't play it. Where did you pick up that particular opinion?

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

But you aren't scumreading me because of that, are you? In your mind I'm scum because, what was it again, I didn't explain my Marmot meta townread the way you would have found satisfactory? (I am simply trying to help you out here. Since I am town and I am confident you are town. So I am aware of your confirmation bias, so I can point it out in advance, see if I can help you get rid of it.)

No, that wasn't about my read of you, it was about Tony's. Are you trying to get a rise out of me by invoking confirmation bias yet again after last time?

How many games has Tutuu been wolf, and how long has it been since Tutuu was wolf?

One.

[tutuu]

ehhhh, it's hard to say conclusively from our pov that it's a lie

No, it is not. Simply open the first and second page of the thread and skim my posts in them...

[Seanzie]

How many games has Tutuu been wolf, and how long has it been since Tutuu was wolf?

One in the last few years. Here is my ISO from it: search.php?author_id=737&t=1972

Since then I have had nothing but town games where people repeatedly scumread me because they don't like they way I talk.

Okay, so you randed scum recently, so it isn't like you are years out of practice. That is good to know. I know when we played on MafC, you said you had a huge randtown streak. How did you like being scum? I didn't look closely as the ISO, but did you enjoy it, or do you prefer playing town?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

Brass tacks, what you're saying is that you think tutuu's wolf game is skilled enough that she couldn't unintentionally have a shift when confronted with unexpected instant suspicion?

yes.

She's only had one wolf game here and you didn't play it. Where did you pick up that particular opinion?

I sat in bed and thought about it and just determined it was entirely implausible. It's not just the shift, that can be premeditated or spontaneous. It's the aggression that accompanies the shift. I just can't see it from Tutuu, or really any player who doesn't have an established town meta of aggression.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ehhhh, it's hard to say conclusively from our pov that it's a lie

No, it is not. Simply open the first and second page of the thread and skim my posts in them...

Nah, the Dwight thing is an indication but it's jokey. The tonal shift is one of aggression and a choice to take the game seriously, the Dwight thing is neither of those things