Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[MacDougall]

Nah we can do a towncore Jay that's fine. Are you actually trying to say that you townread Nanook though? That Nanook has past through your gates and become town enough to die on the nanook is town hill? Is that the happening here?

[MacDougall]

You can flip me as long as Jay dies when I flip town no matter what. Deal?

why is jagged maf?

Because he's not roboJay yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

[MacDougall]

Shes right tho

[DaughterOfOmega]

JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

Well I was talking in terms of a scum playstyle, not anything to do with maturity or age.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nah we can do a towncore Jay that's fine. Are you actually trying to say that you townread Nanook though? That Nanook has past through your gates and become town enough to die on the nanook is town hill? Is that the happening here?

my town read on nanook is fainter now than it was when i made the post you referenced. he wouldn't be in my poe though. reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You can flip me as long as Jay dies when I flip town no matter what. Deal?

why is jagged maf?

Because he's not roboJay yet.

yeah roboJay is literally my mafia meta you're fake

[MacDougall]

Nah we can do a towncore Jay that's fine. Are you actually trying to say that you townread Nanook though? That Nanook has past through your gates and become town enough to die on the nanook is town hill? Is that the happening here?

my town read on nanook is fainter now than it was when i made the post you referenced. he wouldn't be in my poe though. reads

Good. Good.

[Michelle]

okay, so like my friends right now are mac, tutuu, and SPF.

my rivals are JJJ, alison and michelle

Take care who you're pocketing buddy, SPF is so trigger happy to burry me that it doesn't look good.

I accepr this rivalry, en garde!
Write my name with M, it is my name. Make this effort for your rival, please, thanks.

Let me share with you a story Michelle
A wise woman who was traveling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveler who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveler saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveler left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime. But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman.

“I’ve been thinking,” he said, “I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me something more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone.

I love it, thanks for sharing!

If i think that what made her give the precious stone was her beatiful soul, now what?

[MacDougall]

Ah ok u town. Ur reads are fine. Tutuu and Nook are sus tho.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

Well I was talking in terms of a scum playstyle, not anything to do with maturity or age.

what's scum about the style of the commentary?

[nutella]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh







interesting

[MacDougall]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh







interesting

Spill

[DaughterOfOmega]

JaggedJay has fallen into a very scum commentary style for me. Reminds me a lot of a younger scum Lissa from MU.

that's extremely troubling since i am like 15 years older than her

Well I was talking in terms of a scum playstyle, not anything to do with maturity or age.

what's scum about the style of the commentary?

The scum part is in the way you are active, with not a lot of thought per post you are responding to. It's somewhat based on the quality to quantity theory of scum players. Innocents are often found to slow responses when something is making them think, or when they want to start building a read from the ground up, and spend a lot more time thinking. Which leads to the quality of their responses higher, this is a read that does need more experience of the player to be solid though.

[Michelle]

Ah ok u town. Ur reads are fine. Tutuu and Nook are sus tho.

I agree with Tutuu, but Nanook was the only one to TR me when the thread started to SR me, and i find not prodictive from mafia perspective to give risky TRs.
I don't think he is mafia.

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, when you get the chance, could you please explain why you scumread tutuu? i am very interested in your reasoning

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The scum part is in the way you are active, with not a lot of thought per post you are responding to. It's somewhat based on the quality to quantity theory of scum players. Innocents are often found to slow responses when something is making them think, or when they want to start building a read from the ground up, and spend a lot more time thinking. Which leads to the quality of their responses higher, this is a read that does need more experience of the player to be solid though.

okay. you don't know me, but i am notorious for making really thick, well-formatted, dense posts filled with rationale and thoughts and logic and blah blah. that goes for both alignments.

this time i cannot be assed. i wouldn't enjoy myself doing that. i encourage you to assess the veracity of my reads rather than the number of words in them.

[DaughterOfOmega]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh







interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

[Michelle]

michelle, when you get the chance, could you please explain why you scumread tutuu? i am very interested in your reasoning

In the morning when i have more than 10% brain power, probably and if i remember

[nutella]

i mean i thought you were hiding it

given uh, history

but hey new beginnings etc nice to meet you

[Michelle]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh







interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

So you are a veteran player, i am glad i am playing this game!

[DaughterOfOmega]

i mean i thought you were hiding it

given uh, history

but hey new beginnings etc nice to meet you

I don't mean to be rude so I hope it doesn't come off as that.

If you think someone is hiding themselves in a mafia game, you might want to respect that and not search for them, it kind of defeats the purpose if you think they are doing that.

In my past I was never someone who cared about their "private" life, so don't worry about me.

[nutella]

i mean i thought you were hiding it

given uh, history

but hey new beginnings etc nice to meet you

I don't mean to be rude so I hope it doesn't come off as that.

If you think someone is hiding themselves in a mafia game, you might want to respect that and not search for them, it kind of defeats the purpose if you think they are doing that.

In my past I was never someone who cared about their "private" life, so don't worry about me.

sure, I apologize for that. as a mod I feel some duty to check our new users' backgrounds and stuff but I shouldn't have said what I said out loud

[nutella]

unrelatedly

what's grogu's deal

[nutella]

are they just mafia

[Esooa]

can someone tell me what town sick inno child and mafia joat are

[nutella]

can someone tell me what town sick inno child and mafia joat are

They're all in the spoilered list at the bottom of the op

[MacDougall]

Hi

[Esooa]

Hi

hi

[nutella]

Hi joejoe u maf ?

[Made]

okay, so like my friends right now are mac, tutuu, and SPF.

my rivals are JJJ, alison and michelle

Take care who you're pocketing buddy, SPF is so trigger happy to burry me that it doesn't look good.

I accepr this rivalry, en garde!
Write my name with M, it is my name. Make this effort for your rival, please, thanks.

Let me share with you a story Michelle
A wise woman who was traveling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveler who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveler saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveler left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime. But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman.

“I’ve been thinking,” he said, “I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me something more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone.

I love it, thanks for sharing!

If i think that what made her give the precious stone was her beatiful soul, now what?

Glad you liked it!
don't really have much else, but if i find another story i'll lyk

[MacDougall]

Hi joejoe u maf ?

Yes

[MacDougall]

Sia is the greatest pop songwriter to emerge on this side of the millennium to date. Taking arguments.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think Mac is okay, hasn't really done something strong enough to enter my other town reads, but I enjoy the tone and feels its outside of mafia

[EllieDelight]

that's the most wrong opinion i think ive ever seen. its almost offensive

[EllieDelight]

that's the most wrong opinion i think ive ever seen. its almost offensive

the Sia thing. i should quote reply more

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sia is the greatest pop songwriter to emerge on this side of the millennium to date. Taking arguments.

you only said this to trigger me

[EllieDelight]

btw my reads are tutuu is probably mafia but i promised not to vote her. with either michelle or spf, they both seem scummy but I think its more likely Michelle because they give off a more serious vibe when this game has been more chill.

jjj, doe, as town. if i can remember tbe name of who I was chatting to last night besides Mich and tutuu.

[EllieDelight]

btw my reads are tutuu is probably mafia but i promised not to vote her. with either michelle or spf, they both seem scummy but I think its more likely Michelle because they give off a more serious vibe when this game has been more chill.

jjj, doe, as town. if i can remember tbe name of who I was chatting to last night besides Mich and tutuu.

nook, jj, DoE town

spf or Michelle scum

tutuu scum too but with the power of Veto

[Esooa]

btw my reads are tutuu is probably mafia but i promised not to vote her. with either michelle or spf, they both seem scummy but I think its more likely Michelle because they give off a more serious vibe when this game has been more chill.

jjj, doe, as town. if i can remember tbe name of who I was chatting to last night besides Mich and tutuu.

nook, jj, DoE town

spf or Michelle scum

tutuu scum too but with the power of Veto

what has been your mindset this game

what kind of direction are you trying to take with your reads

like how are you forming them

[Alison]

1) @staypositivefriend A big part of your scum read on Michelle is her OMGUS behavior right? Do you think she wouldn't OMGUS as town?

2) I am astonished that people think they can tell whether or not Mac is scum based on the posts he's had so far and invite anyone with a solid read on him to share your reasoning.

3) I'm seeing some chatter about tutuu scum. tutuu is in my towncore. What's the case on her?

[nutella]

not having a solid townread on mac == he's probably scum

[nutella]

like it's not a solid read either way atp but based on his content so far, compared to everyone else's and for the reasoning jay pointed out, he's >rand to be scum

[staypositivefriend]

quick thoughts on everyone here:

alison - i know that alison is capable of playing a strong scum game, but i honestly haven't gotten pinged by any of her reads or her progressions yet. i suspect that alison!scum is the type of scum that needs to play with a forceful agenda to steer the town into the improper direction, and the fact that i've found myself largely in lockstep with alison's progression is something that bodes well for her alignment.

i also suspect that alison wouldn't be shielding jagged as hard as she did as scum - jagged's approach in this game makes him more "pushable" than he typically is, and it's kind of hard to imagine alison!scum coming straight into the game townlocking him when the potential for him to get pressured + pushed on was extremely high. this would only make sense if alison/jagged were a team, but i dont think they are

daughterofomega - gth i actually find the way she came after alison so hard kind of town indicative - there was a level of conviction to her push that i suspect daughter!scum might not be able to replicate so well if she rand'd scum. the rest of her posts are null and i dont feel like i could comfortably townread her atm

koba - koba is extremely at ease & extremely happy to be in this game - i actually really liked the fact that dk "peaced out" from the day 0 discussion in spite of the fact that important stuff was still happening - i think that koba!scum cares a lot about thread control, and capitulating to the consensus of everyone in the thread and relaxing until d1 starts is something i expect koba is much more likely to do as town than scum. townlean

ellie - i kinda liked her post about esooa and her general tone feels "pure" to me, but honestly null

esooa - esooa has lived up to how i would imagine a town!esooa would approach this game, but it's a little too early for me to back this read with any kind of confidence. i like that she attacked tutuu for townreading her too early, and i like that she broadly shaded me/acted paranoia about me without being able to substantiate it. i feel like esooa!scum might not out that scumread on me unless she felt prepared to substantiate/defend it. townlean

grogu - null, leaning scum if anything

jagged - not 100% confident about this read, but jagged's approach to the game so far just feels devoid of any particular agenda or "plan". i think jagged would be very concerned as scum about the direction the thread was taking (primarily, a "towncore" that did not include him) and do his best to fester paranoia within the towncore or to ensure that he could be included in it himself. the fact that jagged is just chilling and relaxing makes me think he's more likely to just be town that trusts his townreads to win the game. i also think his perception of me is exactly how jagged!town would perceive me as town rn

long con - feels like he's borderline open wolfing, every post has been scummy. scumlean

macdougall - broad unsubstantiated shade on jagged that he backed off on when the push didn't pick up momentum, followed by reads that feel more interested in disrupting the trust of the "towncore" than anything. havent seen any genuine observations from him yet. scumlean

made - scumlean, but has been trending up over the last couple of hours. his frustration with the existence of the "towncore" had a lot of conviction to it upon revisiting, and he seems relatively at peace with the thread in spite of the fact that as scum, he's in a pretty rough position

michelle - outed a bunch of reads that felt made up & outed solely for the purpose of giving the impression of solving. responded to my pressure on her by OMGUS'ing me and accusing me of opportunistically pushing her, while simultaneously making an appeal that implied that i'm town who doesn't know how to read her properly. her game so far is messy and scummy. scumlean

nanook - feels pure, has so many townreads that im inclined to think nanook!scum might be more worried about boxing himself in and not having many viable push options. does not feel scum motivated. townlean

nutella - tone is assertive & inquisitive & dynamic. completely different from any nutella scum world that i've ever seen. townread

tutuu - i think tutuu is more likely town than not but i have the least logical reasons to townread her out of all my townleans. probably still rand!town because of how many people i trust are townreading her and because of the fact that very few of her posts have pinged me as having an agenda

[staypositivefriend]

1) @staypositivefriend A big part of your scum read on Michelle is her OMGUS behavior right? Do you think she wouldn't OMGUS as town?

that's part of it. i have the sample size of one scum game w/michelle and one town game w/michelle. when michelle was scum, she did OMGUS and fire back against the people who SR her extensively, and she responded in a similarly sassy way to try to deflect the suspicion off of her

when michelle was town, she actually never faced that much pressure, but i didn't see her OMGUS at all. her tone was thoughtful & considerate and she seemed very interested in reading beyond the surface

granted, i know michelle is arguing that she plays differently this time of year, but the (admittedly small) sample size i have of her suggests that this is more indicative of her scum-game than her town-game

[Esooa]

quick thoughts on everyone here:

alison - i know that alison is capable of playing a strong scum game, but i honestly haven't gotten pinged by any of her reads or her progressions yet. i suspect that alison!scum is the type of scum that needs to play with a forceful agenda to steer the town into the improper direction, and the fact that i've found myself largely in lockstep with alison's progression is something that bodes well for her alignment.

i also suspect that alison wouldn't be shielding jagged as hard as she did as scum - jagged's approach in this game makes him more "pushable" than he typically is, and it's kind of hard to imagine alison!scum coming straight into the game townlocking him when the potential for him to get pressured + pushed on was extremely high. this would only make sense if alison/jagged were a team, but i dont think they are

daughterofomega - gth i actually find the way she came after alison so hard kind of town indicative - there was a level of conviction to her push that i suspect daughter!scum might not be able to replicate so well if she rand'd scum. the rest of her posts are null and i dont feel like i could comfortably townread her atm

koba - koba is extremely at ease & extremely happy to be in this game - i actually really liked the fact that dk "peaced out" from the day 0 discussion in spite of the fact that important stuff was still happening - i think that koba!scum cares a lot about thread control, and capitulating to the consensus of everyone in the thread and relaxing until d1 starts is something i expect koba is much more likely to do as town than scum. townlean

ellie - i kinda liked her post about esooa and her general tone feels "pure" to me, but honestly null

esooa - esooa has lived up to how i would imagine a town!esooa would approach this game, but it's a little too early for me to back this read with any kind of confidence. i like that she attacked tutuu for townreading her too early, and i like that she broadly shaded me/acted paranoia about me without being able to substantiate it. i feel like esooa!scum might not out that scumread on me unless she felt prepared to substantiate/defend it. townlean

grogu - null, leaning scum if anything

jagged - not 100% confident about this read, but jagged's approach to the game so far just feels devoid of any particular agenda or "plan". i think jagged would be very concerned as scum about the direction the thread was taking (primarily, a "towncore" that did not include him) and do his best to fester paranoia within the towncore or to ensure that he could be included in it himself. the fact that jagged is just chilling and relaxing makes me think he's more likely to just be town that trusts his townreads to win the game. i also think his perception of me is exactly how jagged!town would perceive me as town rn

long con - feels like he's borderline open wolfing, every post has been scummy. scumlean

macdougall - broad unsubstantiated shade on jagged that he backed off on when the push didn't pick up momentum, followed by reads that feel more interested in disrupting the trust of the "towncore" than anything. havent seen any genuine observations from him yet. scumlean

made - scumlean, but has been trending up over the last couple of hours. his frustration with the existence of the "towncore" had a lot of conviction to it upon revisiting, and he seems relatively at peace with the thread in spite of the fact that as scum, he's in a pretty rough position

michelle - outed a bunch of reads that felt made up & outed solely for the purpose of giving the impression of solving. responded to my pressure on her by OMGUS'ing me and accusing me of opportunistically pushing her, while simultaneously making an appeal that implied that i'm town who doesn't know how to read her properly. her game so far is messy and scummy. scumlean

nanook - feels pure, has so many townreads that im inclined to think nanook!scum might be more worried about boxing himself in and not having many viable push options. does not feel scum motivated. townlean

nutella - tone is assertive & inquisitive & dynamic. completely different from any nutella scum world that i've ever seen. townread

tutuu - i think tutuu is more likely town than not but i have the least logical reasons to townread her out of all my townleans. probably still rand!town because of how many people i trust are townreading her and because of the fact that very few of her posts have pinged me as having an agenda

wallpost - scum

[nutella]

spf does that style of reads wall every game, is nai

[Alison]

1) @staypositivefriend A big part of your scum read on Michelle is her OMGUS behavior right? Do you think she wouldn't OMGUS as town?

that's part of it. i have the sample size of one scum game w/michelle and one town game w/michelle. when michelle was scum, she did OMGUS and fire back against the people who SR her extensively, and she responded in a similarly sassy way to try to deflect the suspicion off of her

when michelle was town, she actually never faced that much pressure, but i didn't see her OMGUS at all. her tone was thoughtful & considerate and she seemed very interested in reading beyond the surface

granted, i know michelle is arguing that she plays differently this time of year, but the (admittedly small) sample size i have of her suggests that this is more indicative of her scum-game than her town-game

I think Michelle OMGUSes a lot as town though. Like it's one of the defining characteristics of her town play.

[Esooa]

spf does that style of reads wall every game, is nai

ik it was a joke

[staypositivefriend]

1) @staypositivefriend A big part of your scum read on Michelle is her OMGUS behavior right? Do you think she wouldn't OMGUS as town?

that's part of it. i have the sample size of one scum game w/michelle and one town game w/michelle. when michelle was scum, she did OMGUS and fire back against the people who SR her extensively, and she responded in a similarly sassy way to try to deflect the suspicion off of her

when michelle was town, she actually never faced that much pressure, but i didn't see her OMGUS at all. her tone was thoughtful & considerate and she seemed very interested in reading beyond the surface

granted, i know michelle is arguing that she plays differently this time of year, but the (admittedly small) sample size i have of her suggests that this is more indicative of her scum-game than her town-game

I think Michelle OMGUSes a lot as town though. Like it's one of the defining characteristics of her town play.

is that meta true? if it is, then it might make her choice to OMGUS me in this game a little bit less scummy. i didn't see her OMGUS in the town game i have played w/her

i will say that the bigger issue i have is michelle trying to OMGUS me while simultaneously appeal to me like she knows i'm town - it's weird that she brought up the point that i'm misreading her because she ~plays differently~ at this time of year while also believing that im pushing on her in bad faith. just feels slightly inconsistent