Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[nutella]

ok alison different question

you have precedent for tutuu to be more likely in scumrange here than for me to be in mine

why do you think i'm more likely? just factoring in the 50/50 she was saved rather than blocked?

[staypositivefriend]

@jagged -

would you mind walking me through the thought process that's making you heavily consider an alison!town world right now? is it because the arguments she made on the last page were particularly convincing to you? what resonated?

It was my analyses of her interactions within my POE. I began assessing with this POE: [Alison, Omega, Grogu, DK, Esooa] and found that Alison is a poor fit with both Omega and Esooa. So for her to be mafia, if my assessments are accurate, she would have to be teamed with exactly Grogu and DK. That is on its own power unlikely, and if not then that means 1) she's town, 2) my analyses of Omega/Esooa were flawed, or 3) she would fit better with someone outside my POE instead.

I haven't looked into #3 yet. But then she popped in with her legacy and I think it looks pretty authentic. So my current feeling is that #1 is the answer.

thanks for the explanation, just acknowledging that ive seen this

[nutella]

you say I "fit the deepwolf archetype better" but what on earth does that mean when i'm out of scumrange and tutuu isn't

[staypositivefriend]

mmm i'm still leaning town on nutella in spite of myself. i've been entertaining and chewing on the tinfoil on her but it doesn't feel like a good fit - beyond her broadly meeting the "scum archetype" that a number of people do right now

[Grogu]

alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

Hi, I’m ok being in the scum pool. No offense positive
I would only advise you do NOT take essoa out of it. I want to keep an eye on her and I prefer we are together in this scum pool where she belongs. I believe she will be the sacrifice we make today and we will bake her and eat her flesh tonight. She can be our Jesus bread thingy

[nutella]

in order to not be too hypocritical (hi papa sloon) i prob should consider esooa more (and this is another one idk why alison isn't) bc she fits the same ""archetype"" of having pushed tons of townies

and mac warned us about her scumrange

[staypositivefriend]

alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

Hi, I’m ok being in the scum pool. No offense positive
I would only advise you do NOT take essoa out of it. I want to keep an eye on her and I prefer we are together in this scum pool where she belongs. I believe she will be the sacrifice we make today and we will bake her and eat her flesh tonight. She can be our Jesus bread thingy

lmfao i unironically love playing with you grogu, even if youre mafia

[staypositivefriend]

@Allison reads list pls unless you've posted one recently

Towncore: DK, Esooa, nanook, nutella, tutuu, JJJ
Knocking on the door: SPF, DOOM
Townread: Grogu
POE: Michelle, Made, Ellie

DOOM and Grogu move around a bit, but this is roughly where I have them at right now. JJJ has been too in-sync with me today for me to leave him out of the towncore, and I don't think mafia is in a good enough position that they can afford to just have the exact same stance as me to pocket me. If JJJ is scum he has to push his own agenda, not just sheep me. I've had a couple of interactions with SPF that make me more confident about her, and that's why she's knocking at the towncore's door. I particularly liked the "chill" vibe I got from her when I quizzed her about how she feels about people not clearing her.

Grogu has moved in my reads. I'm still conflicted because his actual pushes are kinda opportunistic on a base level but I don't have a hard time believing he would do this as town and he comes off as honest and transparent in his posting.

I'm seeing more tinfoil towards the "middle" slots like me/SPF/JJJ/nook. I currently have townreads on all of these players and no particular inclination to tinfoil any of them.

^^two posts from alison from yesterday that pinged me at the time, and ping me slightly more now. they are focused on asserting the incorrect consensus POE while downplaying the possibility of tinfoils in the "middle" slots.

in fairness to alison, she started entertaining "tinfoil" shortly after making this post, but i want to present these for posterity's sake

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Grogu and DaughterOfOmega fit together as mafia teammates?

From Grogu about Omega

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so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh

interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

This post implies Grogu doesn't know Omega elsewhere (e.g. mafia chat). So take that wifom or leave it. Earlier in the game I suggested this was cause to separate the two, because it would feel gross if Grogu used kind words like this for any kind of Mafia in-game purpose. But at this point I can't rely on that judgment, it's just wifom.

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I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

Why? I promise Grogu is ToWn!

“ Grogu Town I am”

The Omega post in this exchange is the more interesting one, so I'll talk about that on her end of the analysis. Grogu's post exists.

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Is doom Omega?
Positive did you make a list of yours reads on me?
I see you did one for omega

Another semi-wifom thing like the first post. Whatever.

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I like omega. Not sure why

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Ok. What if I am wrong? I will be sad. I don’t know what to do
I like her, posts feel not planned and nice. That is all I will say.

Grogu was very positive in his read on Omega. The reason was vague. It's brazen for teammates, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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my hope is that Alison or Grogu flip mafia, so that I can post my interactions with them and be town lol

This is very bad post. Not only is clear I am town, but Alison is clearly town also. This is concerning post, didn’t you post you used to be a monster at this game? You are as clueless as I am.
Monster inc. type of monster you are

if either doom or grogu is mafia the other one is extremely likely to be mafia imo

I am town so that leaves omega. I could see her being scum given that she keeps pushing consensus people such as myself. I don’t think she has a reason to even call me scum.

Grogu's Day 3 read is almost the opposite, so that was abrupt.

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This is the most I ever posted on a game by far I believe. I must have like 200 posts. That’s ridiculous.
Also I have been forthcoming the whole game. I have struggled to see “scum”.
I have felt that neither do most players here as shown by who we baked so far.
I think the leaders are leading us to hell.

That being said:
I don’t see why tutuu gets shot by scum...
I believe she’s likely scum, but I don’t know how to prove that or look at posts and say: there I found the clues.
People I don’t trust either:
koba, jagged, esso and the aforementioned tuttuu but this later one I’m not sure about.
Trust me or not, we are all wrong and I highly believe Alison is another miss. They are like me and omega just easy low hanging fruits. If any of us is scum is likely omega since someone said he was a great player and I have yet to see that so he’s likely fooling us.

Now Omega is town again. This one's difficult to follow.

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Okay, I tried my best to play this game and not deal with mental issues. This has not happened, though I did my best to avoid that. I will ask that you kill me today, I do not wish to be rude and obviously somehow I have been, and it's my fault. Bye

Omega nooo come back. Is not that serious, just ignore tuttu. I’m sure they don’t mean to offend just come across as rude is all.

More "do they have mafia chat" wifom if you care.

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I will be doing four deep ISO dives into players I think seriously need to be reviewed. I will be doing nothing else during this game day.

Let me state this first, I am not doing any of these deep dives to get someone baked. I want to be voted and killed; I don’t want to socially interact in the game currently. These are for people to look at for what I think after I flip town. I don’t like being told that I am not a positive in game, and I want to make sure I at least help town win the best I can. Do not ask me questions or ping me please. I will be posting 4 deep dives hopefully.

@DaughterOfOmega dont waste your valuable time in me please. Trust me I am town.
Focus on more unconventional targets.
Look at made, essoa, jagged, tuttu etc

Not sure what the read is here, but the implication seems to be trust?

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Grogu breakdown. 150 posts as of making this.
Town reads d0 (Longcon, SPF)
Votes/Mafia reads d0(Long Con, Michelle, Nanook, Macdougal
D1 Town(No reads posted)
D1 Votes/Mafia(No reads posted, voted Michelle)
D2 Town (Esooa, SPf, Tutuu, Made, DOOM)
D2 Votes/Mafia (Michelle, Ellie)

Personal thought is Grogu is much less likely to be mafia, when compared to Koba/Alison. I don't know if I follow the logic Grogu has a lot, but if he is mafia he is town siding on his town reads. He goes to defend town at points where I don't see a mafia doing so.

I scum read Mac and nanook? Interesting didn’t know that or forgot.
Good stuff overall my friend

I Think is essoa. Omega let’s vote essoa together, POE gang

More overt public appeals. Maybe a decent sign they're not teamed. Hard to say that with conviction.

From Omega about Grogu

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I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

This is probably the most interesting post in the review. If they're teammates, then Omega joked about Grogu "openwolfing" while clearly doing it herself. I don't know anything about whether that's her style, but at this stage I'm inclined to at least say it could be.

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Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

I'm currently at Tutuu/Grogu/Mac/+1

Grogu got some mentions in early mafia lists or team theories. It's fine but not incompatible.

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I don't like killing Ellie over scum reads I have meh

if you could vig kill someone immediately who would you kill

Every time someone asked me this, I used to say "myself" for the memes

but I am no longer a depressed kid so no more memes

I'd choose LC, I think I can give Grogu a bit more time though he'd be second

This is merciful to Grogu. Again, I don't mind at face value, but there's no reason that can't be a teammate action.

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I find that my reads are so contrarian that posting them would just get me scum read, but I don't play mafia like a scared person.

SPF
Alison
Koba
Esooa
Michelle
tutuu
Nanook
Grogu
Jay
Made
Nutella
Ellie

Kinder to Grogu on Day 2, at least a bit. Now he's in the nefarious middle area.

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I don't feel confident in my reads, although I am hesitant to vote off Michelle because the others I see as sus are voting Michelle

tricky

Who are your suspects?

Ellie Nutella Grogu Nanook could all be mafia fmpov

Makes voting you not so good

Omega defended Michelle by way of her wagon, which included Grogu. Not super meaningful to me.

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I think the game is like turbo easy

Alison
Koba
Grogu
Jay
nanook

do we have 5 kills? if so gg

Grogu is featured in the Day 3 "turbo easy" solve. Okay.

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my hope is that Alison or Grogu flip mafia, so that I can post my interactions with them and be town lol

I'd like to see what makes you feel this way, Omega (like you don't fit with Grogu).

Conclusion

There's not a lot happening here. Most of the "good stuff" is pure wifom, so I am not inclined to play that game right now. Grogu's read on Omega is all over the place. Omega hasn't taken a terribly aggressive approach with Grogu as a suspect. I cannot comfortably separate them.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I still want to vote Alison for the dropping of the town read of me for no seeable reason other than needing a spot in poe

[Grogu]

alison/doom/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nanook/nutella/tutuu

i feel comfortable removing nanook and DOOM from that pool right now, pending re-evaluation on LYLO. it feels weird to remove DOOM from that pool, but that's where my brain is taking me

so that leaves alison/koba/esooa/grogu/jagged/nutella/tutuu

now we're getting warmer, but i hesitate to comfortably remove any more names from that pool. grogu's appeals to me feel so heartfelt that i'm almost tempted to, but i feel that would be a mistake if i think about the game from a holistic perspective. one of koba or esooa would probably be the first names i would look at to further remove from this pool

Hi, I’m ok being in the scum pool. No offense positive
I would only advise you do NOT take essoa out of it. I want to keep an eye on her and I prefer we are together in this scum pool where she belongs. I believe she will be the sacrifice we make today and we will bake her and eat her flesh tonight. She can be our Jesus bread thingy

lmfao i unironically love playing with you grogu, even if youre mafia

That’s so sweet.
You do not know yet but I am ToWn!
Focaccia bread nasty town, not scum. If I was scum I think my old friends would be so proud. I am not a mastermind scum or mafia player... trust me!
I do enjoy playing here, it is different but a lot more personal. You almost get to know strangers personally it feels like. I have spoken to some of you more than my real friends in the past 12 months :/ weird dynamic

[DaughterOfOmega]

Like nutella has been overall more town to my pov, so it's hard not to vote Ali, when she goes on Nutella over some of my actual mafia reads

[DaughterOfOmega]

It's weird to me because why does mafia Alison choose Nutella to go on, when that is a harder road than others.

Maybe she is town? hmm

[nutella]

It's weird to me because why does mafia Alison choose Nutella to go on, when that is a harder road than others.

Maybe she is town? hmm

perhaps thats what she wants you to think

[staypositivefriend]

nutella, what do you think of alison's push on you? you seemed willing to consider that alison could be town just a little bit ago - do you still feel that way?

[nutella]

i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

[nutella]

nutella, what do you think of alison's push on you? you seemed willing to consider that alison could be town just a little bit ago - do you still feel that way?

i've always been willing to consider it but i think it's quite unlikely at this point

the push on me strengthens that a bit but i think i would still feel the same if she was pushing more on tutuu or esooa or whatever, it's the nature of her crafting a narrative


in the world she is in fact town it's pretty bad bc people will want to sheep her and then we'd get yet another mischop into lylo

but i think she's just trying to save herself here

[staypositivefriend]

i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

[Esooa]

grogu switching to shading Alison after town reading her at a point he should be town reading her more is basically outing and a strong affirmation Alison is correct imo. In short I'm currently sheeping Alison

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Grogu and DkKoba fit together as mafia teammates?

From Grogu about DK

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cool, really enjoy playing a game where I get based on if my reads are anything but 100% correct while u get to just sound towny day 0 and get lock cleared by everyone and don't have to care at all about if you have a single incorrect reads with players you barely even know they're all gonna apply some kinda insane meta where my reads are always correct or I get hard pushed for entire day phases at a time

I'm not checking this thread for the next 24 hours wtv

Ellie+made+1

+1 in koba/grogu/DOOM/spf/koba (maybe forgetting one)

most likely doom

Never baby yoda. You have Kobe person twice, I have not read anything from them. Would kill

I believe this is Grogu's first mention of DK, and it's on Day 2. At least that jives with what Grogu actually said -- he hadn't ready anything. A not insignificant part of me wants to take that literally.

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my tired brain was not ready for grogu's 4d chess level of humor

what about my 5d chess gameplay :3

Hello chess player

Nice of you to finally join us Kobe

my tired brain was not ready for grogu's 4d chess level of humor

what about my 5d chess gameplay :3

Hello chess player

e4

So you are Specialist I see. Part of the e4 mafia?

Well Koba left us, just like that. Puff gone

This whole stretch makes me laugh. I fear the "E-4 Mafia" joke is lost on non-military people. Anyway I won't read into this too deeply.

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TOS is not like this game.

No, it isn't. Tell me about what your POE is like right now.

I think you are town.
I don’t like what the consensus is at the moment. I am glad michelle is town because it allows me to realize we are all wrong.
I don’t trust jay anymore. I think koba prob another scum.
Nook? This is hard game. I think scum are all pro players for the most part and we are fucked.

This is the most I ever posted on a game by far I believe. I must have like 200 posts. That’s ridiculous.
Also I have been forthcoming the whole game. I have struggled to see “scum”.
I have felt that neither do most players here as shown by who we baked so far.
I think the leaders are leading us to hell.

That being said:
I don’t see why tutuu gets shot by scum...
I believe she’s likely scum, but I don’t know how to prove that or look at posts and say: there I found the clues.
People I don’t trust either:
koba, jagged, esso and the aforementioned tuttuu but this later one I’m not sure about.
Trust me or not, we are all wrong and I highly believe Alison is another miss. They are like me and omega just easy low hanging fruits. If any of us is scum is likely omega since someone said he was a great player and I have yet to see that so he’s likely fooling us.

On Day 3 DK is on Grogu's shit list. The read is not a very developed one, but it exists.

From DK about Grogu

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my tired brain was not ready for grogu's 4d chess level of humor

what about my 5d chess gameplay :3

Hello chess player

e4

Bringing this out again because it appears to be the first time in the game that DK acknowledged the existence of Grogu, again on Day 2. So that huge delay was mutual.

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TOS is not like this game.

No, it isn't. Tell me about what your POE is like right now.

I think you are town.
I don’t like what the consensus is at the moment. I am glad michelle is town because it allows me to realize we are all wrong.
I don’t trust jay anymore. I think koba prob another scum.
Nook? This is hard game. I think scum are all pro players for the most part and we are fucked.

oh why am i scum now?

lmfao get out of here with ur terrible discred

Lol just realized you are white bread haha. Hi I’m Focaccia bread, nice to meet you.

no im actually multigrain bread i just stole this from SPF d1

why have both doom and grogu pretended like spf isnt clear here

This is some Day 3 stuff just to help you catch up. DK barely ever had anything to say about Grogu or to Grogu. I'm not sure it's a problem either.

Conclusion

The most notable thing to me is easily that neither of them mentioned the other even once until well into Day 2. We can interpret that as 1) they're mafia teammates and are nervous to interact, or 2) they spent much of this game literally not giving a damn about one another (as non-mafia teammates), probably even forgetting they're in the game.

Honestly? I believe more in #2. That's a somewhat risky read given the wifom, so I invite protests.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If DK and Grogu don't fit together, the [Alison has no team in my POE] prophecy is fully realized. Either the POE is shit or she is just town.

[Esooa]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[nutella]

i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

yes that's exactly the problem

it's alison

[DaughterOfOmega]

What is nice for the future, and terrible for today is that a lot of grouping/agendas are being pushed. If we see a flip from Ali/Nutella we get a lot of info and turbo bake the mafia

though nutella doesn't tell us a ton, ali def does

[nutella]

i've been pocketed by alison every time she's been wolf here and i'm finally starting to learn some of her tricks i think

[nutella]

Esooa doesn't really fit for a couple of reasons: she doesn't seem that invested in controlling the narrative today, there's been enough rage and controversy over her that I think her teammates would proabbly have shut down if she was scum, and her pushes are chill and don't have the brute force vibe that the other three do.

this wasn't enough for alison to dismiss looking at a deepwolf esooa world

what "brute force" do i have compared to esooa? i was pretty forceful about michelle early d2 and backed off of even that, otherwise been pretty chill

idgi

[nutella]

and esooa was for a while exactly analogous with her push on eliie to mine on michelle

[staypositivefriend]

i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

yes that's exactly the problem

it's alison

i'm just a little confused about how you got from the thought process of: "alison's wallposts are convincing" to "alison's wallposts are scum-indicative"

her wallposts would be convincing as either alignment, right? so what about the wallpost makes it specifically scum indicative? are you arguing that she doesn't focus on narratives as much as town?

[nutella]

The wide variety of people she's pushed on (all with equal conviction)

also not true

but to the extent it is, yeah i change my mind a lot and come up with different potential solves and believe them equally at different times so

[nutella]

i mean actually i think the two megaposts are a decent point towards alison being mafia because crafting those kinds of narratives is absolutely her scum meta and the fact that she waited so long to post after the pr stuff started and crafted this very long "here's why i'm right and you should listen" novel points to her being scum cooking it up

didn't you characterize alison's megaposts as "fairly convincing" on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p710094? i am confused

yes that's exactly the problem

it's alison

i'm just a little confused about how you got from the thought process of: "alison's wallposts are convincing" to "alison's wallposts are scum-indicative"

her wallposts would be convincing as either alignment, right? so what about the wallpost makes it specifically scum indicative? are you arguing that she doesn't focus on narratives as much as town?

well that was only my reaction to the first one, before she posted the solve one

and i'm breaking down some rhetorical issues with the second one rn that feel more manipulative

but also it's that i realized how she had so deliberately taken the time to craft these and post them all in one go, with no prior indication of the progression of her solve this day

[Esooa]

I'm kinda scum reading the nature of Nutellas response here. I don't like how she believes Alison to currently be scum, but is trying to discredit her world view on the basis of itself. I'd find that if someone is scum, the world view naturally has a scum agenda, and if you wish to prove Alison is scum, you angle not to discredit her world view but first saying why she is scum; why her reasons for saying she is town are invalid. I think Nutella going to why Alisons world view is incorrect is necessary for Nutella to do, in a world Nutella is scum. @staypositivefriend does this make sense?

[Grogu]

Do Grogu and DaughterOfOmega fit together as mafia teammates?

From Grogu about Omega

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so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh

interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

This post implies Grogu doesn't know Omega elsewhere (e.g. mafia chat). So take that wifom or leave it. Earlier in the game I suggested this was cause to separate the two, because it would feel gross if Grogu used kind words like this for any kind of Mafia in-game purpose. But at this point I can't rely on that judgment, it's just wifom.

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I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

Why? I promise Grogu is ToWn!

“ Grogu Town I am”

The Omega post in this exchange is the more interesting one, so I'll talk about that on her end of the analysis. Grogu's post exists.

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Is doom Omega?
Positive did you make a list of yours reads on me?
I see you did one for omega

Another semi-wifom thing like the first post. Whatever.

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I like omega. Not sure why

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Ok. What if I am wrong? I will be sad. I don’t know what to do
I like her, posts feel not planned and nice. That is all I will say.

Grogu was very positive in his read on Omega. The reason was vague. It's brazen for teammates, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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my hope is that Alison or Grogu flip mafia, so that I can post my interactions with them and be town lol

This is very bad post. Not only is clear I am town, but Alison is clearly town also. This is concerning post, didn’t you post you used to be a monster at this game? You are as clueless as I am.
Monster inc. type of monster you are

if either doom or grogu is mafia the other one is extremely likely to be mafia imo

I am town so that leaves omega. I could see her being scum given that she keeps pushing consensus people such as myself. I don’t think she has a reason to even call me scum.

Grogu's Day 3 read is almost the opposite, so that was abrupt.

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This is the most I ever posted on a game by far I believe. I must have like 200 posts. That’s ridiculous.
Also I have been forthcoming the whole game. I have struggled to see “scum”.
I have felt that neither do most players here as shown by who we baked so far.
I think the leaders are leading us to hell.

That being said:
I don’t see why tutuu gets shot by scum...
I believe she’s likely scum, but I don’t know how to prove that or look at posts and say: there I found the clues.
People I don’t trust either:
koba, jagged, esso and the aforementioned tuttuu but this later one I’m not sure about.
Trust me or not, we are all wrong and I highly believe Alison is another miss. They are like me and omega just easy low hanging fruits. If any of us is scum is likely omega since someone said he was a great player and I have yet to see that so he’s likely fooling us.

Now Omega is town again. This one's difficult to follow.

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Okay, I tried my best to play this game and not deal with mental issues. This has not happened, though I did my best to avoid that. I will ask that you kill me today, I do not wish to be rude and obviously somehow I have been, and it's my fault. Bye

Omega nooo come back. Is not that serious, just ignore tuttu. I’m sure they don’t mean to offend just come across as rude is all.

More "do they have mafia chat" wifom if you care.

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I will be doing four deep ISO dives into players I think seriously need to be reviewed. I will be doing nothing else during this game day.

Let me state this first, I am not doing any of these deep dives to get someone baked. I want to be voted and killed; I don’t want to socially interact in the game currently. These are for people to look at for what I think after I flip town. I don’t like being told that I am not a positive in game, and I want to make sure I at least help town win the best I can. Do not ask me questions or ping me please. I will be posting 4 deep dives hopefully.

@DaughterOfOmega dont waste your valuable time in me please. Trust me I am town.
Focus on more unconventional targets.
Look at made, essoa, jagged, tuttu etc

Not sure what the read is here, but the implication seems to be trust?

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Grogu breakdown. 150 posts as of making this.
Town reads d0 (Longcon, SPF)
Votes/Mafia reads d0(Long Con, Michelle, Nanook, Macdougal
D1 Town(No reads posted)
D1 Votes/Mafia(No reads posted, voted Michelle)
D2 Town (Esooa, SPf, Tutuu, Made, DOOM)
D2 Votes/Mafia (Michelle, Ellie)

Personal thought is Grogu is much less likely to be mafia, when compared to Koba/Alison. I don't know if I follow the logic Grogu has a lot, but if he is mafia he is town siding on his town reads. He goes to defend town at points where I don't see a mafia doing so.

I scum read Mac and nanook? Interesting didn’t know that or forgot.
Good stuff overall my friend

I Think is essoa. Omega let’s vote essoa together, POE gang

More overt public appeals. Maybe a decent sign they're not teamed. Hard to say that with conviction.

From Omega about Grogu

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I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

This is probably the most interesting post in the review. If they're teammates, then Omega joked about Grogu "openwolfing" while clearly doing it herself. I don't know anything about whether that's her style, but at this stage I'm inclined to at least say it could be.

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Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

I'm currently at Tutuu/Grogu/Mac/+1

Grogu got some mentions in early mafia lists or team theories. It's fine but not incompatible.

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I don't like killing Ellie over scum reads I have meh

if you could vig kill someone immediately who would you kill

Every time someone asked me this, I used to say "myself" for the memes

but I am no longer a depressed kid so no more memes

I'd choose LC, I think I can give Grogu a bit more time though he'd be second

This is merciful to Grogu. Again, I don't mind at face value, but there's no reason that can't be a teammate action.

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I find that my reads are so contrarian that posting them would just get me scum read, but I don't play mafia like a scared person.

SPF
Alison
Koba
Esooa
Michelle
tutuu
Nanook
Grogu
Jay
Made
Nutella
Ellie

Kinder to Grogu on Day 2, at least a bit. Now he's in the nefarious middle area.

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I don't feel confident in my reads, although I am hesitant to vote off Michelle because the others I see as sus are voting Michelle

tricky

Who are your suspects?

Ellie Nutella Grogu Nanook could all be mafia fmpov

Makes voting you not so good

Omega defended Michelle by way of her wagon, which included Grogu. Not super meaningful to me.

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I think the game is like turbo easy

Alison
Koba
Grogu
Jay
nanook

do we have 5 kills? if so gg

Grogu is featured in the Day 3 "turbo easy" solve. Okay.

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my hope is that Alison or Grogu flip mafia, so that I can post my interactions with them and be town lol

I'd like to see what makes you feel this way, Omega (like you don't fit with Grogu).

Conclusion

There's not a lot happening here. Most of the "good stuff" is pure wifom, so I am not inclined to play that game right now. Grogu's read on Omega is all over the place. Omega hasn't taken a terribly aggressive approach with Grogu as a suspect. I cannot comfortably separate them.

Hello my Ungreen friend,
You mistaken the read on my good friend Omega the Goddess to be scum read. If you read between the lines you can see it was a simple hypothetical in which someone said there were 2 scum between Grogu, Alison and omega. I simply defended all 3 of us and said “hypothetical” if one of us ***WAS*** scum then is likely her. (Omega).
But I do not believe this to be the case. Fyi

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alright @Grogu, duly noted. Would you say that your read on Omega has been mostly town all game or no?

[nutella]

Copy:
Esooa is pushing Grogu and me moderately hard. Dkkoba is pushing anyone that pushes them fiercely. nutella is pushing me fiercely, and tutuu is pushing DOOM fiercely and me moderately. The two possible patterns that match what I'd expect to see from a deepwolf needing to exert control over the game are nutella and tutuu. Esooa doesn't really fit for a couple of reasons: she doesn't seem that invested in controlling the narrative today, there's been enough rage and controversy over her that I think her teammates would proabbly have shut down if she was scum, and her pushes are chill and don't have the brute force vibe that the other three do.

This is troubling me. If Ali is town, why is essoa pushing me and her not exactly what she said scum would do???
Essoa is pushing town/town. I feel like she’s giving essoa a free pass and being super soft. It is just me?

It's a relative comparison. The consensus POE in this game has been pretty rotten; everyone's pushed town. You've pushed Michelle yourself. The point is not to say "oh, so and so has scumread a townie, so they must be scum" - the point is to look at the quantity of bad scumreads, weigh whether or not those scumreads were there by accident or bad reads or something more, and see how hard the scumreads were pushed. I don't know you're town for sure, so in my mind Esooa has pushed one unresolved slot and one town slot moderately hard. That is probably on par for the rest of the game, so she doesn't stand out as being suspicious from that context alone. I go into more detail why nutella's pushes stand out to me - it's because of the sheer quantity and variety of them.

again, why do you think me rapidly changing around to different suspects is scummy? I've been kind of grasping at lots of different things that have caught my interest this game because with no red flips yet it's been hard to find the right starting point for solving and I've tried poking a bunch of different places to feel around for what makes sense. don't you think I'd be a bit more consistent with my pushes as scum?

[nutella]

I think my view of Esooa right now is somewhat analogous to those who suspect nutella instead. Esooa is the consensus game-long town read that I struggle to trust right now.

I haven't dug deep into various team possibilities for her yet though.

I asked Grogu the question about Esooa's teammates precisely because one of the things I found when doing associatives was that Esooa doesn't fit with many teams, and most of the teams she fits in involve you lol. (And Grogu, which is why the question is fairly important for them to answer.)

aren't jay/grogu two of your main "remaining fill" wolf candidates

if they make sense with esooa what is stopping that from being the team in your mind

and don't just say "esooa is townie" because *i'm* fucking townie

[Grogu]

grogu switching to shading Alison after town reading her at a point he should be town reading her more is basically outing and a strong affirmation Alison is correct imo. In short I'm currently sheeping Alison

This is lies. Again
Why are others allowing this flaming lies by esso

[nutella]

Positive my friend,
Who has been protecting me? Couldn’t it be that I have been town this whole time?
You seem to fail math. There are exactly 3 scum, if I was one I would have 2 partners defending me???

Explain how 2 people can control all the votes? This doesn’t make any sense. I’m new at mafia but math I learned before elementary school. Do the math again and rethink that paragraph please. Maybe you just forgot the amount of scum in this game or your point was that all 3 scum are protecting town grogu?
Then tell us by name who are those scum protecting me. Thanks positive friend

i think we could probably just chop grogu for lying

he's not new to mafia

[nutella]

lmfao nice crosspost

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Do Grogu and Esooa fit together as mafia teammates?

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grogu lc scum

Hello E, what is lc? I am not scum.

grogu lc scum

Hello E, what is lc? I am not scum.

lc is long con

Oh ok.
So you are saying LC and I are baddies?
I guarantee I am now.

A couple early exchanges. Grogu's response kinda looks non-teamed to me. If he's mafia then this flippant stuff is more likely to be directed at town.

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I'm not gonna deal with people being like "Esooa HAS TO BE RIGHT ABOUT EVERY READ or we are gonna scum read her" if ur not applying this to every player here which ur not at all

Why are you so negative? I like you. Relax

cool, really enjoy playing a game where I get based on if my reads are anything but 100% correct while u get to just sound towny day 0 and get lock cleared by everyone and don't have to care at all about if you have a single incorrect reads with players you barely even know they're all gonna apply some kinda insane meta where my reads are always correct or I get hard pushed for entire day phases at a time

I'm not checking this thread for the next 24 hours wtv

Ellie+made+1

+1 in koba/grogu/DOOM/spf/koba (maybe forgetting one)

most likely doom

Never baby yoda. You have Kobe person twice, I have not read anything from them. Would kill

Day 2 stuff. The first thing looks kinda non-teamed to me too. I'm hesitant to roll with that for such a nothing post in this game state though.

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grogu posts rn feel towny tbh

ALL Grogu posts are ToWn!

I love how grogu is just hard vibing. He literally randomly shows up into thread and goes "yeah, I'm okay with killing (top wagon)"

My kind has bigger brains and we are strong with the force. We tend to feel when there’s a disturbance in the force. Ex. Michelle all the way back to +48hrs ago.
Sounds like you are all just seeing what I felt days earlier.

Herpty derpty doo

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btw I claim miller

I don’t think this is good. I seen scum do this in the only game I played in which someone claimed that Miller stuff.

lol doesn't look teamed

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what pr do you think tutuu is claiming there

Hitman

Gorgeous

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if Esooa isn't lying, it's a cop and either a Mafia Jack-of-all-trades or Godfather

Did they claim cop?

Grogu seems legitimately clueless regarding what Esooa is about.

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but yeah, most situations where nutella is mafia, tutuu is town I think? this part wasn't very math-y but make sense i think
[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

not really a valid way to look at it. It was a PR hunt kill if they targeted tutuu. Avoiding considering this in "who would mafia kill" is flawed

working on a proof, but in all situations where this was a hunt kill (beside them actually believe her joke post at the beginning of the game, which is RIDDDICUULLAAASSSSS ( @JaggedJimmyJay @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ) Tutuu is bad.

As of this point, the only person to indicate in thread they believed that I was a PR before I revealed I was one was you and SPF (who is town). This means if Essoa is bad, Tutuu is bad (AKA the Esooa Association)

The Esooa Association states that if you-Esooa- are bad, you were incentivized to kill me last night. Because no kill happened last night players (right now just Esooa) who guess i was yesterday a PR are most likely to be bad, and are almost definitely bad with Tutuu

I think locking in the assumption that mafia were PR hunting and that mafia PR hunting looks the way you think it does is is uh

Probably not a good idea

Oh yes esso is in the game. Very scummy early on, looking worse now will all the misses.

This is the most I ever posted on a game by far I believe. I must have like 200 posts. That’s ridiculous.
Also I have been forthcoming the whole game. I have struggled to see “scum”.
I have felt that neither do most players here as shown by who we baked so far.
I think the leaders are leading us to hell.

That being said:
I don’t see why tutuu gets shot by scum...
I believe she’s likely scum, but I don’t know how to prove that or look at posts and say: there I found the clues.
People I don’t trust either:
koba, jagged, esso and the aforementioned tuttuu but this later one I’m not sure about.
Trust me or not, we are all wrong and I highly believe Alison is another miss. They are like me and omega just easy low hanging fruits. If any of us is scum is likely omega since someone said he was a great player and I have yet to see that so he’s likely fooling us.

I will be doing four deep ISO dives into players I think seriously need to be reviewed. I will be doing nothing else during this game day.

Let me state this first, I am not doing any of these deep dives to get someone baked. I want to be voted and killed; I don’t want to socially interact in the game currently. These are for people to look at for what I think after I flip town. I don’t like being told that I am not a positive in game, and I want to make sure I at least help town win the best I can. Do not ask me questions or ping me please. I will be posting 4 deep dives hopefully.

@DaughterOfOmega dont waste your valuable time in me please. Trust me I am town.
Focus on more unconventional targets.
Look at made, essoa, jagged, tuttu etc

Laying "all the misses" at Esooa's feet is another separable moment. If Grogu is mafia, this is just flat hurling blame that belongs to many people.

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im tired of this game anyways going through 2 dumb town wagons into people reevalling only to put inactive slots into POE feels like the lazy type of shit ive seen in town losses ive moderated.

we should have been reevaling after the first town flip but no everyone wanted their 1 singular wagon.


do yall really think theres literally 0 resistance on wagons on d1 / d2 and im wrong about scum on them?

I’m starting to agree with you...

You know what? We should finish essoa.

[VOTE: Essoa] aubergine

Day 3 vote. I think that's enough to get the gist for Grogu.

From Esooa about Grogu

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There are a million posts, and given my feelings about Grogu's stuff in this review I don't care to spend an hour on the Esooa portion. I will focus solely on posts I deem the most important.

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Point to be made about spf

she went to vote grogu, has mentioned him, and etc

I've been thinking about why grogu hasn't garnered more attention if he were town

I think there's two things to say here:

scum are obviously pre occupied. I think scum are certainly trying to push *something* here; tin foiling me, pushing made over Ellie, pushing Ellie over made. Idk what but scum isn't looking for a scape goat right now. This makes me think: it's probably true there is only one mafia between Ellie/Made. Otherwise scum would look to go to grogu as an out. Possibly scum is instead trying to distance, such as Ellie casing Made, but that's not the vibe I get. I think this is town indicative of spf, as she is taking the angle of going to grogu.

I forgot my second point. I think it's that it was town indicative of spf

it's also possible that grogu is scum, however. But I'm not sure. I don't think this is currently a game state with two active scum only

This comes from Day 2. There's a bit of Pepe Silvia going on in the theorizing here, but I interpret it to be relatively neutral with respect to judging Grogu's alignment. The lack of traction on a Grogu wagon may suggest only one mafia among Ellie/Made, or the other implication would be that Grogu is himself mafia (tying to the beginning of Esooa's last line there). She waffled around on it, so I won't say this post is one that separates the two.

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my reads rn

town

Alison, DaughterOfOmega, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella

the rest

DkKoba
EllieDelight
Grogu
Made
Michelle
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Grogu was included in this sizable "the rest" pile, like a big POE. It's good to have clarity here since Esooa had previously suggested that Grogu looked towny. This list at least maintains that perspective as low-confidence. Grogu became a POE name in her next reads list (click).

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TOWN
doom
jjj
made
michelle
nutella

probably TOWN
koba
grogu
tutuu

null
nanook

scum
alison
ellie
spf

reads aren't ordered

Well then there's that, still on Day 2. I'm just gonna shrug about this one.

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Town
Made
Michelle
nutella
DkKoba

Likely town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
JaggedJimmyJay


PoE, ordered

tutuu
DaughterOfOmega
Grogu
Alison
staypositivefriend

Back down to POE on Day 3. Doesn't feel like an issue to me, but these progressions aren't incompatible.

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btw Grogu is turbo scummy now, cause one thing I liked about him was he had no care who died in "wifom valley," and that's suddenly become not so much a non-agenda where he doesn't care to push away from the mafia in there, but an extremely strong agenda, where he doesn't give a fuck cause everyone being scum read is town

Cool beans. If Esooa is mafia then this looks quite like a smear, so that's something to separate them.

Conclusion

This might be my most confident review so far -- I don't think Esooa and Grogu look like mafia teammates.

[nutella]

This might be my most confident review so far -- I don't think Esooa and Grogu look like mafia teammates.

welp

either this is true or the team is exactly these two and jay loooool

[Esooa]

Copy:
Esooa is pushing Grogu and me moderately hard. Dkkoba is pushing anyone that pushes them fiercely. nutella is pushing me fiercely, and tutuu is pushing DOOM fiercely and me moderately. The two possible patterns that match what I'd expect to see from a deepwolf needing to exert control over the game are nutella and tutuu. Esooa doesn't really fit for a couple of reasons: she doesn't seem that invested in controlling the narrative today, there's been enough rage and controversy over her that I think her teammates would proabbly have shut down if she was scum, and her pushes are chill and don't have the brute force vibe that the other three do.

This is troubling me. If Ali is town, why is essoa pushing me and her not exactly what she said scum would do???
Essoa is pushing town/town. I feel like she’s giving essoa a free pass and being super soft. It is just me?

maybe not, but

"If Ali is town"

pinged me. You quoted Alison, so I'd assume you to be talking to her, and give her input on her thought processes, you are town, and look at this. Instead you talk to the thread at large, where you also say "if Ali is town"

[staypositivefriend]

I'm kinda scum reading the nature of Nutellas response here. I don't like how she believes Alison to currently be scum, but is trying to discredit her world view on the basis of itself. I'd find that if someone is scum, the world view naturally has a scum agenda, and if you wish to prove Alison is scum, you angle not to discredit her world view but first saying why she is scum; why her reasons for saying she is town are invalid. I think Nutella going to why Alisons world view is incorrect is necessary for Nutella to do, in a world Nutella is scum. @staypositivefriend does this make sense?

i believe i understand what you're getting at - you're saying that it's scummy that nutella is focusing on poking holes into the perspective that alison outed, as opposed to explaining ~why~ the perspective is coming from a scum-motivated place, right? i think that's a legitimate point, but it could make sense from a nutella!town perspective for her to come to the revelation that alison is mafia ~by~ poking holes in her perspective - it's possible that the confidence nutella is claiming to have about alison right now wouldn't have formed if she didn't go out of her way to do that

if i had to place my vote right now, it would probably be for alison over nutella, but i'm keeping an open mind. the associatives that are forming today are incredibly valuable regardless

[Esooa]

but re-reading I can see that's not the only meaning, just explaining what I got from it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This might be my most confident review so far -- I don't think Esooa and Grogu look like mafia teammates.

welp

either this is true or the team is exactly these two and jay loooool

By all means take a look and see if you feel differently. I'm just a guy.

[Esooa]

what's "Pepe Silvia"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

what's "Pepe Silvia"

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[Esooa]

what's "Pepe Silvia"

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lmfao

[Esooa]

bruh it was a real read

[nutella]

jay can you link me the alison esooa analysis? bc right now it feels to me like they're preserving each other pretty hard

[Made]

Hi, not caught up at all, but I think for the record, everyone who has t voted yet needs to vote