Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Hyena]

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

lol, 112 is scum

To clarify why, 112 slipped that she hasn't read "most" of my posts.

[Syn]

i think that 112 is being very logical and i can understand her brain process better than anyone else itt

if shes mafia its cause of a convoluted reason, like, she is so logical that she is mafia

but yeah, i think that people scumreading her for like "normal" reasons are wrong i believe. if 112 is mafia she isnt mafia for the "basic" reasons that are being given imo

dare i say it

caught for the wrong reasons?

[Syn]

Syn's hanging out in the background. Is this normal?

the thing with Syn is that what you want if Syn is town is for them to just latch onto someone towny and sheep them, so yeah

is this advice for wolf!112 or town!112

what?

yeah

[Timsup2nothin]

a few off-topic posts for Tim is NAGL

Grasping at straws I see.

no, just want to give you a hard time while you enter the thread

Oh.

Why people calling you scum already?

[Syn]

is d0 really for an entire day

[Thunal33]

i dont rly gotta prove anything though. lets say for the sake of argument we're both town and take that as fact temporarily. if u can argue that my perception of u was off and i should be fixing it, i can easily argue that if ur wrongly scumreading me its ur fault and u should be forced to walk back naked thu burning coals. so like, this "blaming game" of "u did something i dislike" doesntcut it for me / im not gonna play it / im not gonna accept to feel pressured into being towny in case ppl arent interpreting me as towny. im here playing my town game, saying whats on my mind, and it is what it is, im not rly gonna jump thru hoops and loops to please demands

This sounds and feels defensive!

Actually I thought the bolded from tutuu was towny (with the caveat that tutuu needs to actually act in line with this mindset for it to be towny and it's too early to tell if she is) since scum care a lot about looking towny.

[112]

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

lol, 112 is scum

To clarify why, 112 slipped that she hasn't read "most" of my posts.

pretty sure i've read all of them

[112]

a few off-topic posts for Tim is NAGL

Grasping at straws I see.

no, just want to give you a hard time while you enter the thread

Oh.

Why people calling you scum already?

idk

[MacDougall]

keep in mind fellow town that if we are in multiball then
a) the mafia can scumhunt so fake scumhunting isn't a thing so any reads like 112's push on hyena is fake have to be taken with a grain of salt
b) there are about 8-10 mafia aligned players in the game which means that more people than you'd expect are actually mafia
c) the mafia already know it's multiball if it is and therefore their tendency to be openly scummy would be much higher because of the festival like atmosphere of multiball

I am annoyed I randed town in the GoC. These are usually the best scum games I play all year lol.

[tutuu]

i think that 112 is being very logical and i can understand her brain process better than anyone else itt

if shes mafia its cause of a convoluted reason, like, she is so logical that she is mafia

but yeah, i think that people scumreading her for like "normal" reasons are wrong i believe. if 112 is mafia she isnt mafia for the "basic" reasons that are being given imo

dare i say it

caught for the wrong reasons?

caught for the wrong reasons and misyeeting a villager isnt that different from each other in terms of "did i play better than this person" fmpov (that is assuming that my opinion that if X is scum and chopped for the wrong reasons is truthful and objective which obviously isnt easy to prove cuz its subjective)

[Thunal33]

i dont rly gotta prove anything though. lets say for the sake of argument we're both town and take that as fact temporarily. if u can argue that my perception of u was off and i should be fixing it, i can easily argue that if ur wrongly scumreading me its ur fault and u should be forced to walk back naked thu burning coals. so like, this "blaming game" of "u did something i dislike" doesntcut it for me / im not gonna play it / im not gonna accept to feel pressured into being towny in case ppl arent interpreting me as towny. im here playing my town game, saying whats on my mind, and it is what it is, im not rly gonna jump thru hoops and loops to please demands

This sounds and feels defensive!

Also, why are you thinking that defensive = scummy (assuming you found that post scummy)?

[112]

what's multiball? multiple scumteams?

[MacDougall]

keep in mind fellow town that if we are in multiball then
a) the mafia can scumhunt so fake scumhunting isn't a thing so any reads like 112's push on hyena is fake have to be taken with a grain of salt
b) there are about 8-10 mafia aligned players in the game which means that more people than you'd expect are actually mafia
c) the mafia already know it's multiball if it is and therefore their tendency to be openly scummy would be much higher because of the festival like atmosphere of multiball

I am annoyed I randed town in the GoC. These are usually the best scum games I play all year lol.

it's also likely that there are 2-3 independent aligned players

it's also plausible that this isn't multiball but there is in fact a large mafia team and a 3p faction that is just smaller

[Hyena]

ANYWAY

It looks like my towncore right now is Nutella, Tutuu, Kylemii, and Thunal? Sloonei, Mac, and Syn are NOT in based on reading this page.

You shouldn't be townreading me. Why are you?

yeah that's a big flag

most of Hyena's posts have been NAI with one that I thought was towny

lol, 112 is scum

To clarify why, 112 slipped that she hasn't read "most" of my posts.

pretty sure i've read all of them

Tell me why it's a big flag to you then. Why is it a big flag that I'm towncoring people because they're animals?

[Timsup2nothin]

a few off-topic posts for Tim is NAGL

Grasping at straws I see.

no, just want to give you a hard time while you enter the thread

Oh.

Why people calling you scum already?

idk

Probably just wanting to give you a hard time while you enter the thread.

[tutuu]

what's multiball? multiple scumteams?

yes or 3p

[MacDougall]

what's multiball? multiple scumteams?

Yeh. GoC traditionally does have multiple scumteams.

[Thunal33]

Tutuu is literally mafia. There is no universe in which the way she has read me makes any sense for her. It is entirely unlike anything she has ever done before. It was probably just her going into attack mode because I pushed onto her teammate Nanook tbh.

how so? i interpreted something as something, i talked about it itt a bit, i decided to give up on it and move on

i dont see anything unreasonable or weird here

I have played in many many games with you. I know what to expect from you. There is nothing that I did that was outside the realms of normality for me. You concocted reasons which is fine but then you kept holding the read and doubled down.

Also this post is prorotypical what caught scum do. You ask me a broad "how so?" when I made several points, not addressing any of the key points. Then you reframed your behaviour removing all context to give yourself a platform to be incredulous and reduce my argument down to wifom.

i clearly held the read as much as i pleased and then i gave up on it and have clearly stated that i dont want to talk about it so much because this is pointless. i did not double down, you are tunneled

prototypical actions of what caught scum do is irrelevant to me. you are tunneled. your second sentence is just random words that i dont even understand

Ok tutuu is in the mindset of not caring about how she's perceived or what a townie should act like, so she can be slight town.

[112]

Liking thunal a lot- she has a strong thought process so far and is going right for the throat in her pushes

[Alison]

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

[Made]

no.

[Hyena]

i dont rly gotta prove anything though. lets say for the sake of argument we're both town and take that as fact temporarily. if u can argue that my perception of u was off and i should be fixing it, i can easily argue that if ur wrongly scumreading me its ur fault and u should be forced to walk back naked thu burning coals. so like, this "blaming game" of "u did something i dislike" doesntcut it for me / im not gonna play it / im not gonna accept to feel pressured into being towny in case ppl arent interpreting me as towny. im here playing my town game, saying whats on my mind, and it is what it is, im not rly gonna jump thru hoops and loops to please demands

This sounds and feels defensive!

Also, why are you thinking that defensive = scummy (assuming you found that post scummy)?

Do you think I was implying Tutuu to be scummy because of the defensiveness? :3

[Hyena]

Liking thunal a lot- she has a strong thought process so far and is going right for the throat in her pushes

Look at that blatant pocketing.

[112]

a few off-topic posts for Tim is NAGL

Grasping at straws I see.

no, just want to give you a hard time while you enter the thread

Oh.

Why people calling you scum already?

idk

Probably just wanting to give you a hard time while you enter the thread.

and there's nothing wrong with that

you're running an aggressive defensive line tonight. any comment?

[Made]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Liking thunal a lot- she has a strong thought process so far and is going right for the throat in her pushes

You seem to be giving this game more energy than I am used to seeing from you, do you have fancy play syndrome because of GoC or do you have a role that is giving you more buy in? It's one or the other.

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 lock mafia

hi

[MacDougall]

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Alison just made herself an easy day 1 chop.

[Hyena]

Alison, was that a copypasta?

[MacDougall]

@Thunal33 lock mafia

hi

I didn't really. I was just pinging you lol.

[Alison]

not copypasta, legit claim

[tutuu]

i got the opposite reaction from reading alison's post

i think it was pretty agreeable and i believe her

its weird that the knee jerk reactions are constantly different between my own and those of other ppl itt

[MacDougall]

in Shadow Corridors the Gambit Demon ended up assisting the scum to win iirc.

[Timsup2nothin]

a few off-topic posts for Tim is NAGL

Grasping at straws I see.

no, just want to give you a hard time while you enter the thread

Oh.

Why people calling you scum already?

idk

Probably just wanting to give you a hard time while you enter the thread.

and there's nothing wrong with that

you're running an aggressive defensive line tonight. any comment?

I was shooting for dry wit.

[MacDougall]

i got the opposite reaction from reading alison's post

i think it was pretty agreeable and i believe her

its weird that the knee jerk reactions are constantly different between my own and those of other ppl itt

what alignment were you in Shadow Corridors again?

[Thunal33]

I think mac and michelle are the same as the poe narrows there's no reason for me to push it back to you as I am very interested in the position and would like to know if you have any other questions



[more predictive text sorry this is too fun lmao I'll stop now]

I'm on my computer so no predictive text, but here's how I know I've improved in mafia: the default predictive text went from "I think it's a good idea to lynch me" to "I think it's a pretty bad idea to lynch me"

[tutuu]

i got the opposite reaction from reading alison's post

i think it was pretty agreeable and i believe her

its weird that the knee jerk reactions are constantly different between my own and those of other ppl itt

what alignment were you in Shadow Corridors again?

town!

[112]

Liking thunal a lot- she has a strong thought process so far and is going right for the throat in her pushes

You seem to be giving this game more energy than I am used to seeing from you, do you have fancy play syndrome because of GoC or do you have a role that is giving you more buy in? It's one or the other.

no fancy play syndrome, treating this like any other game

i am happy with my role, though

[Alison]

in Shadow Corridors the Gambit Demon ended up assisting the scum to win iirc.

1) the GD handed out a billion free abilities to town first
2) that was because LC decided to betray y'all, *after* he fulfilled his win con. I have no incentive to help anyone out once my win is locked in because betraying anyone compromises future 3P deals without helping me at all (I'm already won after all)

[112]

i nominate myself to receive an ability from alison

[MacDougall]

in Shadow Corridors the Gambit Demon ended up assisting the scum to win iirc.

1) the GD handed out a billion free abilities to town first
2) that was because LC decided to betray y'all, *after* he fulfilled his win con. I have no incentive to help anyone out once my win is locked in because betraying anyone compromises future 3P deals without helping me at all (I'm already won after all)

I dunno you seem like a wolf at heart to me. You did win best mafioso.

[Syn]

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

yes hi hello @alison I'm consensus town, pls gib

[MacDougall]

i got the opposite reaction from reading alison's post

i think it was pretty agreeable and i believe her

its weird that the knee jerk reactions are constantly different between my own and those of other ppl itt

what alignment were you in Shadow Corridors again?

town!

Alrighty

[Made]

way i see it, we either chop Alison here or we chop LC

preferably both

[tutuu]

im back to thinking nutella is mafia, her latests posts were good and towny but what if she got sick of being called a bad wolf and decided to show everyone how wrong they are and tahts why she kept hyping herself up to make 500 posts it was like shes pumping her chest like king kong

[Alison]

in Shadow Corridors the Gambit Demon ended up assisting the scum to win iirc.

1) the GD handed out a billion free abilities to town first
2) that was because LC decided to betray y'all, *after* he fulfilled his win con. I have no incentive to help anyone out once my win is locked in because betraying anyone compromises future 3P deals without helping me at all (I'm already won after all)

I dunno you seem like a wolf at heart to me. You did win best mafioso.

yeah but not when it's strictly suboptimal to do that

if I betray town before I fulfil my win con y'all might exe me and then I lose
if I betray town after I fulfil my win con, then all I'm doing is kneecapping my ability to cut similar deals in future games I am 3P, and it's not like I can fulfil my win con twice

[Thunal33]

i dont rly gotta prove anything though. lets say for the sake of argument we're both town and take that as fact temporarily. if u can argue that my perception of u was off and i should be fixing it, i can easily argue that if ur wrongly scumreading me its ur fault and u should be forced to walk back naked thu burning coals. so like, this "blaming game" of "u did something i dislike" doesntcut it for me / im not gonna play it / im not gonna accept to feel pressured into being towny in case ppl arent interpreting me as towny. im here playing my town game, saying whats on my mind, and it is what it is, im not rly gonna jump thru hoops and loops to please demands

This sounds and feels defensive!

Also, why are you thinking that defensive = scummy (assuming you found that post scummy)?

Do you think I was implying Tutuu to be scummy because of the defensiveness? :3

Yes. What's your read on Tutuu?

[tutuu]

im sad that alison doesnt get to be town or mafia and play normally

[Hyena]

Alison, I'm a coward. :3 If I'm scum, I'm killing you tonight.

[Alison]

im sad that alison doesnt get to be town or mafia and play normally

as a tron player I am legally obligated to take the line of play that is completely linear & uninteractive and either instantly wins or instantly loses from turn 1