Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

But maybe I should just wait for @Dyslexicon to read him


I've been wrong about Hyena a few times too but I agree with thunal, his sloonei takes look more manufactured than not.

Does he tend to engage more as town than as mafia?

Not generally, I'd say he engages more early on as mafia while as town it takes him a few phases to get super involved.

[Timsup2nothin]

oh this is a dope playerlist

and tim it's good to play with you again, i just have concerns about you lying to me here

I'm trying out a new approach and have only told one blatant lie so far this game that I can recall.

[nutella]

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

Are you accusing JPIC of opportunistically pushing you without good reasons?

Hmmyes

[dyachei]

what are the cases on everyone, nutella?

[nutella]

Where's our other vegetable at @Turnip Head i miss u bb

[Timsup2nothin]

Jpic has been trending down down down

Go on

You've been on the sidelines and nudging forward suspicions of me, and now calling me/radish v/v could be tmi or you could be his teammate. Your iso is really passive as a whole and you seem to want to go with the flow, and a bit more so when the "flow" was to suspect me.

Are you accusing JPIC of opportunistically pushing you without good reasons?

Hmmyes

That's how it seemed, I just wondered if my constant search for irony and humor was making me see something that wasn't there.

K, thanx.

[nutella]

what are the cases on everyone, nutella?

Sloonei summarized the points against Hyena pretty well here

I had a case on Nanook a bit ago here

The stuff on me and on radish is a bit more scattered throughout but we had a back and forth just a couple pages ago

[nutella]

oh this is a dope playerlist

and tim it's good to play with you again, i just have concerns about you lying to me here

I'm trying out a new approach and have only told one blatant lie so far this game that I can recall.

Was it about what you were wearing

[nutella]

tim doesn't want to admit that tutuu got him to

[Timsup2nothin]

oh this is a dope playerlist

and tim it's good to play with you again, i just have concerns about you lying to me here

I'm trying out a new approach and have only told one blatant lie so far this game that I can recall.

Was it about what you were wearing

No, that was true...it was when I claimed to be the third host, sent to live among the mortal players by the father host and the ghost host.

[Master Radishes]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

(Not trying to start anything - I'm genuinely curious here.) Our little spat aside, what have I done that's not fluffing?

I don't remember every single post I've made, but I've given very little thought to this game so far and have not read most of it, so your take on me here surprises me. I don't know if I've accidentally done some solving or something and just forgotten about it?

Well sure part of it is including our exchange. But your exchange with falcon earlier too was a bit more serious and defensive than I'd expect from town you.

It was an hedgey shove on me and he even admitted that. After a few nothing posts in D0 he said to me twice 'you're not out of your scum range hmmm'. It was objectively weak and forced.

His follow up to my pushback felt a bit townier so I've moved away from that. But it pinged me at the time.

(I always mix in lightly serious posts to my fluff posts btw. People just miss them.)

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy is town.

Volumetell.

That’s two.

Lol that's not a thing for wilgy tho


He might be town.

Your fear will turn you to the dark side Hazelnut.

[dyachei]

is it bad I already feel burnt out from catching up?

[MacDougall]

Jackwolf

[nutella]

I like to think I've gotten better at reading Radish and he really just feels more in his scum meta from his level of engagement here. And he keeps saying "I've just been fluffing as usual" when that's entirely *not* what he's been doing, I would have townread him if he was.

(Not trying to start anything - I'm genuinely curious here.) Our little spat aside, what have I done that's not fluffing?

I don't remember every single post I've made, but I've given very little thought to this game so far and have not read most of it, so your take on me here surprises me. I don't know if I've accidentally done some solving or something and just forgotten about it?

Well sure part of it is including our exchange. But your exchange with falcon earlier too was a bit more serious and defensive than I'd expect from town you.

It was an hedgey shove on me and he even admitted that. After a few nothing posts in D0 he said to me twice 'you're not out of your scum range hmmm'. It was objectively weak and forced.

His follow up to my pushback felt a bit townier so I've moved away from that. But it pinged me at the time.

(I always mix in lightly serious posts to my fluff posts btw. People just miss them.)

I don't think the bolded is true or fair to say at all

[nutella]

Jackwolf

Meh

[Jackofhearts2005]

Did you find someone to summarize for you the thread Jack? Asking for a friend ^^

Lol not really, no.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wilgy and hyena are okish for now. Tabling Nanook as usual. Radish is my only wolf read.

Explain.

Wilgy and hyena are okish

Tabling Nanook for now

Radish is my only wolf read

Why is Radish a wolfread?

[dyachei]

oh hey jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

i mean keep in mind, baddies have incentive to baddie hut. There are multiple balls in play



mine is red this game

I thought that was a yo-yo for the longest time.

[Sloonei]

is it bad I already feel burnt out from catching up?

#downwithketchup

i say this as i read back over several pages

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh hey jack

Heya, Dya.

How’re things? Who’s scum?

[Timsup2nothin]

is it bad I already feel burnt out from catching up?

I remind you that I suggested not doing that.

[MacDougall]

Jackwolf

Meh

Why do you do this lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

You're not slanking off at all. You're getting in this petty argument now and getting pretty engaged and it smells wrong

Yuck. Nutella wolf.

[dyachei]

oh hey jack

Heya, Dya.

How’re things? Who’s scum?

idk yet, just got here

I see mac is reading nut scum (at least early game) and nut and mac are usually decent at reading each other (except when they're not)

[Sloonei]

Push questioned...don't remember why...blame someone else...hmmmm...@Sloonei you liking these posts from Nutella?

I have reached this point in the nutella/radish thing and it's much less than I thought it would be. I see nothing alarming from nutella, nor do I see anything that makes me say "hell yeah that's town nutella."

Ditto for Senor Radish. There seems to be a slight OMGUS, but that's not a thing I regard as indicative of either alignment on its own.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

I'm not disguising anything. I found your exchange with falcon a bad look and agree with others on a gut scumread on you. Nook and wilgy are different.

Here's how you've decided to cast a vote for me so far:

[VOTE: master of all radishes] aubergine

yolo

Anyway feelin cute might fuck around and [VOTE: master radishes] aubergine

Both times you're affecting a light-hearted attitude. And yet apparently you have a serious read on me. Your tone is incongruous to your purported read.

Yeah, this is looking a lot like backtracking to an “established read” that was never real in the first place.

[MacDougall]

You're not slanking off at all. You're getting in this petty argument now and getting pretty engaged and it smells wrong

Yuck. Nutella wolf.

Maybe she is. Lots of ppl keep saying it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

the only reason a baddie has to accuse someone in bad faith this game is if their teammate is under attack, find the defended teammate and you find the baddie

Nutella’s MR push looks like bad faith. But like...MR wasn’t pushing anyone but her?

[MacDougall]

Made is just a wolf in this game tbh.

[nutella]

My issue with Nutella here is that I've had basically no content as is normal for me, and yet somehow she's giving a pass to other posters with similar reps (Nanook, Wilgy, et al) and apparently can't formulate any better reads on people with far more content. I am her *only* wolf read, and all I've done is shitpost as usual. My one bit of content, at a stretch, is a mild and brief back and forth with falcon where I felt he was being hedgey and forcing a push on me (and I stand by that, though I don't know it's AI for him) and that's apaprently enough to have her decide I am not only a wolf but her *only* wolf so far.

It's an opportunistic nudge and she's not disguising it well enough.

I'm not disguising anything. I found your exchange with falcon a bad look and agree with others on a gut scumread on you. Nook and wilgy are different.

Here's how you've decided to cast a vote for me so far:

[VOTE: master of all radishes] aubergine

yolo

Anyway feelin cute might fuck around and [VOTE: master radishes] aubergine

Both times you're affecting a light-hearted attitude. And yet apparently you have a serious read on me. Your tone is incongruous to your purported read.

Yeah, this is looking a lot like backtracking to an “established read” that was never real in the first place.

it was real smh

[Jackofhearts2005]

I will say that it looks like Nute is turning the back-and-forth into a "look, maybe you're town" when the start of the conversation was more centred around MR thinking she's wolfing. It's possible she's trying to placate.

Mmm yes quite.

[Sloonei]

Made is just a wolf in this game tbh.

why?

[Syn]

is it bad I already feel burnt out from catching up?

no

the volume in this game is absurd

[Timsup2nothin]

Push questioned...don't remember why...blame someone else...hmmmm...@Sloonei you liking these posts from Nutella?

I have reached this point in the nutella/radish thing and it's much less than I thought it would be. I see nothing alarming from nutella, nor do I see anything that makes me say "hell yeah that's town nutella."

Ditto for Senor Radish. There seems to be a slight OMGUS, but that's not a thing I regard as indicative of either alignment on its own.

There was that moment where Radish specifically asked "why?" and Nutella came back with, literally, "don't remember" and then shifted to a sort of "sheeping <whoever>" claim. I really hated that part...but otherwise yeah I can see a sort of 'meh' response to the whole thing.

[nutella]

Made is just a wolf in this game tbh.

he's been hovering around there for me for a while but i've felt more ok about some of his recent stuff. he's not one of my main suspects

[Sloonei]

Push questioned...don't remember why...blame someone else...hmmmm...@Sloonei you liking these posts from Nutella?

I have reached this point in the nutella/radish thing and it's much less than I thought it would be. I see nothing alarming from nutella, nor do I see anything that makes me say "hell yeah that's town nutella."

Ditto for Senor Radish. There seems to be a slight OMGUS, but that's not a thing I regard as indicative of either alignment on its own.

There was that moment where Radish specifically asked "why?" and Nutella came back with, literally, "don't remember" and then shifted to a sort of "sheeping <whoever>" claim. I really hated that part...but otherwise yeah I can see a sort of 'meh' response to the whole thing.

I don't hate that coming from nutella. She's the most impulsive player I know.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I get called out for being "opportunistic" almost every town game it's kinda funny

Give us the receipts and maybe I won’t vote for you.

[Timsup2nothin]

is it bad I already feel burnt out from catching up?

no

the volume in this game is absurd

And yet unsurprising. I preemptively adapted.

[Sloonei]

Wilgy and hyena felt better overnight in my catchup that's all

Could you elaborate on what felt better about each of them? More interested in hyena since you've reversed course again on them.

[Timsup2nothin]

Push questioned...don't remember why...blame someone else...hmmmm...@Sloonei you liking these posts from Nutella?

I have reached this point in the nutella/radish thing and it's much less than I thought it would be. I see nothing alarming from nutella, nor do I see anything that makes me say "hell yeah that's town nutella."

Ditto for Senor Radish. There seems to be a slight OMGUS, but that's not a thing I regard as indicative of either alignment on its own.

There was that moment where Radish specifically asked "why?" and Nutella came back with, literally, "don't remember" and then shifted to a sort of "sheeping <whoever>" claim. I really hated that part...but otherwise yeah I can see a sort of 'meh' response to the whole thing.

I don't hate that coming from nutella. She's the most impulsive player I know.

I can accept that.

By the way, any genuine animosity that you may feel bleeding through is strictly directed at your avatar, I still wanna be pals with you personally.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I skimmed the Hyena case cause I haven’t been in thread w/Hyena yet and it was kinda boring lookin but I guess I have to read it now.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei and Nutella are mafia teammates too

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Which champion will you retire today?
Poll runs till Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
2
8%
Voters: falcon45ca, Hyena
Cat
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
2
8%
Voters: MacDougall, Long Con
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Hyena
5
20%
Voters: tutuu, Sloonei, nutella, Thunal33, Made
JackofHearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
JustPlayingitcool
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
1
4%
Voters: cat
Marmot
0
No votes
Voters: None
MartinGG99
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
2
8%
Voters: Michelle, DrWilgy
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
4%
Voters: 112
nutella
2
8%
Voters: Marmot, Syn
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None
Timsup2nothin
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
TurnipHead
1
4%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote
5
20%
Voters: Justplayingitcool, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime, Alison, Timsup2nothin
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
Tom Brady (host/non)
4
16%
Voters: Epignosis, c4e5g3d5, JaggedJimmyJay, dunya
Total votes: 25

VC

I can't sleep >. <

[MacDougall]

I skimmed the Hyena case cause I haven’t been in thread w/Hyena yet and it was kinda boring lookin but I guess I have to read it now.

Hyena is town

[MacDougall]

I gotta go back to sleep im too sick

[Sloonei]

Push questioned...don't remember why...blame someone else...hmmmm...@Sloonei you liking these posts from Nutella?

I have reached this point in the nutella/radish thing and it's much less than I thought it would be. I see nothing alarming from nutella, nor do I see anything that makes me say "hell yeah that's town nutella."

Ditto for Senor Radish. There seems to be a slight OMGUS, but that's not a thing I regard as indicative of either alignment on its own.

There was that moment where Radish specifically asked "why?" and Nutella came back with, literally, "don't remember" and then shifted to a sort of "sheeping <whoever>" claim. I really hated that part...but otherwise yeah I can see a sort of 'meh' response to the whole thing.

I don't hate that coming from nutella. She's the most impulsive player I know.

I can accept that.

By the way, any genuine animosity that you may feel bleeding through is strictly directed at your avatar, I still wanna be pals with you personally.

Lol. Sorry about my prickly response earlier. TB12 has no time for animosity, and it certainly wouldn't be directed at Tim of all people.

[112]

Sloonei and Nutella are mafia teammates too

no

I skimmed the Hyena case cause I haven’t been in thread w/Hyena yet and it was kinda boring lookin but I guess I have to read it now.

Hyena is town

yes

[nutella]

Wilgy and hyena felt better overnight in my catchup that's all

Could you elaborate on what felt better about each of them? More interested in hyena since you've reversed course again on them.

well he quoted all those townreads on him so I considered that he really had that perspective (that he was being townread more than not). but you're right that he merely glossed over several very real scumreads. he also had a take on made that seemed real.


as for wilgy he just posted more free flowing stuff, that may not be a strong tell for him either way but it felt ok