Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

patpat lc

[Jackofhearts2005]

lol so anyway these lc posts

Did Sloonei put a vote on me without saying anything in the thread?

@Long Con

he has been here and moving his vote around

Ah, the telltale sign. Good indication, Sloon!

Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

I don't think wolf Sloonei would agree to a plan of silencing. I think wolf Sloonei would prefer to silence someone else, like either to frame them or to just silence them. Like he'd hit Joseph or something.

I actually agree that most top tier players don’t want to self silence.

However, Sloonei goes through (school related iirc) periods of lower activity and I think Sloonei would self silence under those conditions. Pretty meta to go into.

i

what

sloonei is clearly not too busy during this game lol

Well then LC’s correct.

[Long Con]

lol so anyway these lc posts

Did Sloonei put a vote on me without saying anything in the thread?

@Long Con

he has been here and moving his vote around

Ah, the telltale sign. Good indication, Sloon!

Who silences Sloonei here? That’s such a bizarre move

I don't think wolf Sloonei would agree to a plan of silencing. I think wolf Sloonei would prefer to silence someone else, like either to frame them or to just silence them. Like he'd hit Joseph or something.

I actually agree that most top tier players don’t want to self silence.

However, Sloonei goes through (school related iirc) periods of lower activity and I think Sloonei would self silence under those conditions. Pretty meta to go into.

i

what

sloonei is clearly not too busy during this game lol

Well then LC’s correct.

[tutuu]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

[Marmot]

cat was Chuck Schumer, Mafia.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My wife made fudge for v-day. First time. Absolutely delicious. She’s the best cook in the universe and it’s a wonder I’m not 400 lb.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cat says good luck have fun.

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99

Congratulations to the following players.

@Justplayingitcool
@nutella
@Dyslexicon
@Marmot
@MartinGG99

Random.org has selected you as my tribunal. Please wait for more information.

look I'm going to make things simple for you as to why this is a bad idea

Martin's content quality and activity < Anyone else's content quality and activity

also there clearly isn't a discerning purpose to this if you've just Random.Org'ed it

Martin is scum, y'all. He doesn't want to be held accountable for his content!

Is this a joke?

[Marmot]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

[MartinGG99]

Hyena might be town here actually. There is some information rocking around in my brain that says that this is his town meta.

in 2 words or less can you please describe the difference between Hyena's town meta and wolf meta?

for me? please? love you

okay ur mafia im actually serious. super confident ur mafia. ur mafia. i think u popped in and tried to look towny. ur mafia

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

while I haven't been in the game much

to me it looks like this could fail for two reasons

1) They could be very silly or its just a personalized way of reacting to stuff
2) "Look towny" is a very broad thing because there are so many ways one can be town but not look it and vice versa

so how come they are your biggest scum out of the 27 players so far

is there like more evidence than just 1 single thing is what I would like to know more tbh

Martin, what was this?

It was a post directed at Tutuu (as we can plainly and clearly read), and I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

[Marmot]

What'd I miss? It seems there's only 900 new posts. Nbd

[tutuu]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

[Marmot]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Tutuu are you actually marphia this game?

[tutuu]

nope, why would i be?

[MartinGG99]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Personally I'm single and I'm prepared for the possibility of being single for the rest of my life if need be.

Not that I don't desire any deep relationships, but the current select & few friendships I have outside of FM is something I look forward to for the rest of my life. I think one can lead a purposeful life by simply supporting their friends in meaningful relationships and being a member of society.

[Long Con]

@Jackofhearts2005 I take back the , that was from nutella and not you originally, my bad.

[MartinGG99]

How come there's no votes on the Falcon45ca wagon (Like, not a single vote)?

and why are there 4 votes on Tutuu?

[Marmot]

btw if this pattern of 1 kill per day (yeet) and 1 kill per night continues this game will last potentially until day 13 which will be f3

3 days for a day/night cycle so this could make this game last more than a month and it will end in around the middle of march

That sounds delightful!

Unless we lose, then this sounds painful.

Let's just end it today.

Probably going to continue to do so tbh

My thoughts exactly.

Just so you know why I'm not here, I don't have time to play the game now and I'm being replaced.

We'll miss you!

So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

For this exact reason?

I dunno, dya dying suggests that the scum were targeting hunting threats as opposed to role-threats. Unless dya happened to hint at something (I don't recall).

Also, what did Kyle claim?

Ah, Tutuu answered, I'll look.

Spoiler: show

Found this post in Syn's Iso and read few posts after

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

U optimist

hi tutuu

you stand accused of being a cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf

how do you plead

"cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf"
look at this name
This question received an answer quoted below.
Are you happy with it?

[VOTE: DrWoogerz ] aubergine

Ted is playing with players names, noted
Not really AI but funny. Though, a relaxed approach is rather villagery

cat being mafia silencer

Someone silencing sloonei who i think is town

Kyle saying he will be silenced so he can power up his role

This is too much townies getting silenced, i think Kyle is mafia

One of the few times I nodded reading a tutuu post this game

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

U optimist

hi tutuu

you stand accused of being a cute wittle cuddly wuddly wolf

how do you plead

Hi synnie!

Im not that cute...

Im also obvious town

With that said ted is super scummy imo

U shouldnt underestimate his tone as wolf

He is a better wolf as town imo

Cant rly argument myself its just gut. I want ted dead

Ted is a better townie, just saying

Did you conclude anything here? Not sure if you're catching up, or are commenting on a series of posts (they don't look related to me)

[Marmot]

nope, why would i be?

I looked at the VC and you had greater than -5.

Town Tutuu should always have -5 votes.

[Marmot]

I read the last page and don't have any context yet.

Off to read more posts

[Long Con]

How come there's no votes on the Falcon45ca wagon (Like, not a single vote)?

That's like me asking why no one is riding my zeppelin.

[Long Con]

@Marmot yeah, pretty much. From Kyle's perspective.

[Marmot]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Personally I'm single and I'm prepared for the possibility of being single for the rest of my life if need be.

Not that I don't desire any deep relationships, but the current select & few friendships I have outside of FM is something I look forward to for the rest of my life. I think one can lead a purposeful life by simply supporting their friends in meaningful relationships and being a member of society.

I also have a small group of wonderful friend, although sexy sex is a wonderful addition to life, so personally I'd prefer to not be perma-single :P

[Marmot]

Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.

[MartinGG99]

So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I'm not sure if the first underlined makes sense. If he were silenced instead of mac out of no-where that could be very suspicious, especially if there's multiple silences going on.

As for the 2nd underline, I suspect that since this is GoC (based on name) we could have a lot of PR's in the game. If that's the case, then given say a 7-mafia team they could have 2 or 3 ways of dealing or counteracting that.

I also think we might want to consider that if he could choose when to use his claimed ability, he did so knowing Cat died and flipped.

I kinda want to vote him but I think that's just my playstyle bias working against him there.

[MartinGG99]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Personally I'm single and I'm prepared for the possibility of being single for the rest of my life if need be.

Not that I don't desire any deep relationships, but the current select & few friendships I have outside of FM is something I look forward to for the rest of my life. I think one can lead a purposeful life by simply supporting their friends in meaningful relationships and being a member of society.

I also have a small group of wonderful friend, although sexy sex is a wonderful addition to life, so personally I'd prefer to not be perma-single :P

Lol. I understand that. I mean, personally dealing with the thought of never really experiencing that (as my past depression liked to think) was quite difficult since sometimes being a partner is attached to self-worth. But all the more important to emphasize one can be of worth in alternate ways or that intimate relationships should not be attached to self-worth at all.

[MartinGG99]

Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.

Honestly I don't think its worth reading into it for me

because if it is a big mafia team then there could be good arguments for both trying to push and trying to protect cat as being scum

and I think the nuances of that could be confused for the wrong alignment especially in such a big game where even I wouldn't be surprised if at least one town had some bad interaction

at the very least I hope to find something independently scummy and not just "Oh they had X interaction with person with Y flip, therefore they must be evil/scum/mafia!"

[MartinGG99]

not to mention there was that big shadow corridors game where mafia was down to 1 player after losing quite a few players in the first few day phases

and they won

so I could see that as like inspiration to the mafia team and not be so protective in the early game especially if they have players to spare

then again one could argue that the silencing ability was really important to the mafia ability and therefore they should've or likely defended Cat on d1

etc etc etc

[MartinGG99]

Its just kinda risky or pointless to go into post-flip association at this stage of the game IMO. Maybe later if we're down to 10 players or something.

[Marmot]

not to mention there was that big shadow corridors game where mafia was down to 1 player after losing quite a few players in the first few day phases

and they won

so I could see that as like inspiration to the mafia team and not be so protective in the early game especially if they have players to spare

then again one could argue that the silencing ability was really important to the mafia ability and therefore they should've or likely defended Cat on d1

etc etc etc

[tutuu]

everyone whos single on valentines day

where my single homies at

hi5

i was just getting a bit sad earlier but then i thought - its okay that we single, it doesnt take away from our worth, our value isnt dependent on whether or not we currently in a relationship or not

life good

Hi5

It's ok to be single, and it's ok to be sad about it sometimes (I think so anyway, as I certainly am).

Thanks fellow single pal!

Personally I'm single and I'm prepared for the possibility of being single for the rest of my life if need be.

Not that I don't desire any deep relationships, but the current select & few friendships I have outside of FM is something I look forward to for the rest of my life. I think one can lead a purposeful life by simply supporting their friends in meaningful relationships and being a member of society.

I also have a small group of wonderful friend, although sexy sex is a wonderful addition to life, so personally I'd prefer to not be perma-single :P

same

[tutuu]

How come there's no votes on the Falcon45ca wagon (Like, not a single vote)?

and why are there 4 votes on Tutuu?

it is not good, yes

[tutuu]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Marmot]

Btw, has anyone done cat analyses yet? I'll start there and/or iso him myself.

Honestly I don't think its worth reading into it for me

because if it is a big mafia team then there could be good arguments for both trying to push and trying to protect cat as being scum

and I think the nuances of that could be confused for the wrong alignment especially in such a big game where even I wouldn't be surprised if at least one town had some bad interaction

at the very least I hope to find something independently scummy and not just "Oh they had X interaction with person with Y flip, therefore they must be evil/scum/mafia!"

Well, falcon fits the mold for both.

I still think it's worth looking into. Yes we could be wrong and hit townies, but we run that risk regardless of our strategy.


Fwiw, in Shadow Corridors, we did desperately try to protect JackofHearts from going down, with no success. But you are right. Despite my late vote for the counterwagon (NIK), I was never really sussed for it. I had a good reason to vote NIK, but I had no defense for Jack aside from "he's just town guys, don't bake him".

[tutuu]

nope, why would i be?

I looked at the VC and you had greater than -5.

Town Tutuu should always have -5 votes.

the votes on me are all silly and/or lack reasoning so theres that

[Marmot]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[tutuu]

tutuu
JustPlayingitcool
Michelle
MacDougall
nutella
Syn
Marmot

tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
112
MartinGG99
Thunal33
Hyena
JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
DrWilgy

TonyStarkPrime
Master Radishes
Long Con
Dyslexicon
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Made
falcon45ca
Kylemii

Alison

(i am aware that there most likely arent that many members of the mafia)

[Long Con]

So the "falcon wagon" was always there, just sitting empty at the time?

[Long Con]

tutuu
JustPlayingitcool
Michelle
MacDougall
nutella
Syn
Marmot

tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
112
MartinGG99
Thunal33
Hyena
JackofHearts2005
Sloonei
DrWilgy

TonyStarkPrime
Master Radishes
Long Con
Dyslexicon
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Made
falcon45ca
Kylemii

Alison

(i am aware that there most likely arent that many members of the mafia)

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine You didn't make me orange like I asked.

[MartinGG99]

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

[Long Con]

So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I'm not sure if the first underlined makes sense. If he were silenced instead of mac out of no-where that could be very suspicious, especially if there's multiple silences going on.

As for the 2nd underline, I suspect that since this is GoC (based on name) we could have a lot of PR's in the game. If that's the case, then given say a 7-mafia team they could have 2 or 3 ways of dealing or counteracting that.

I also think we might want to consider that if he could choose when to use his claimed ability, he did so knowing Cat died and flipped.

I kinda want to vote him but I think that's just my playstyle bias working against him there.

What do you mean "instead of Mac"?

[Marmot]

So the "falcon wagon" was always there, just sitting empty at the time?

My vote was going to falcon or Made to start the day, I just hadn't checked in yet.

After yesterday, having video mafia and a game on PerC where the scum-Dizzy team obliterated us town just ended, I needed the night off.

[tutuu]

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

very good post and i give u kudos

u are better at reading me than mac ever was

[Long Con]

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

Is this a mind-meld? LOL I was just wondering if there was a game where tutuu trusted me and I was a wolf.

Trying to figure if that's why she's perma-red-ing me.

[MartinGG99]

Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

[tutuu]

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

Is this a mind-meld? LOL I was just wondering if there was a game where tutuu trusted me and I was a wolf.

Trying to figure if that's why she's perma-red-ing me.

i wrongly townread u in every single game where u was a wolf - 7th saga, grasslands, bike mafia

im perma redding u cuz im townreading everyone else, its also why im putting other people in red too

i dont believe anyone has been that scummy

[MartinGG99]

So Kyle is self-silencing in order to charge up a role?

If he's not evil, then why would the scum team allow this? Surely it would be something harmful to them.

Moreover, why would a town Kyle assume that he's safe to just announce it? Wouldn't a safer plan be to just *be silenced*? Like Sloonei purportedly is?

Silencer role is dead, it was a scum role. But Kyle announced his thing on Day 1, before cat was yeeted. I only just now found out about Kyle's charge-up punch, but just how foregone was the conclusion that cat was going down at the time he announced?

Maybe scum-Kyle realized he couldn't hide behind a silencing role in order to charge his ability, and chose to announce it instead when he knew cat was going down.

Then the theorized Universal Backup used the silence on Sloonei... this would have been a surprise to the scum team, or else they could have used that as an excuse why Kyle was silent on Day 2, and he could have kept it secret.

All in all, why isn't Kyle dead if he's a villager claiming a powerful role?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I'm not sure if the first underlined makes sense. If he were silenced instead of mac out of no-where that could be very suspicious, especially if there's multiple silences going on.

As for the 2nd underline, I suspect that since this is GoC (based on name) we could have a lot of PR's in the game. If that's the case, then given say a 7-mafia team they could have 2 or 3 ways of dealing or counteracting that.

I also think we might want to consider that if he could choose when to use his claimed ability, he did so knowing Cat died and flipped.

I kinda want to vote him but I think that's just my playstyle bias working against him there.

What do you mean "instead of Mac"?

Well, wouldn't a lower-thread-influence player being silenced instead of a higher thread presence player be very strange?

Mac is just suggested as an example, since I town-read him.

[tutuu]

Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

wow thank u for being a voice of sanity and reason in a thread full of darkness and despair

[tutuu]

martingg99

macdougall

both start with an m

one of these two players is a very good player and the other player has jumped the shark. im not saying which

[falcon45ca]

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

This is not a town mindset